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Published: Saturday, April 19 2008 12:49 a.m. MDT

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Matt

What an embarrassment. Apparently it is very easy to mess with Texas. A crazy lady from Colorado did it with ease.

Hugh McBryde

Flora needs to be more specific on the dates. At what point did she know, namely, what DAY, what DATE did she know or suspect that Rozita Swinton was not really a person named Sarah? If it was before the April 3rd raid, there's a real problem.

Not Stupid

Given that the calls precipitating the raid in Texas now appear bogus, a few questions come to me, someone who is neither FLDS nor polygamist, and without a desire to be such.

Is it possible that a prejudicial perspective on the FLDS allowed the search warrants to be so readily issued and executed?

Why, if Texas only recently raised the legal age of marriage with parental consent from 14 to 16 (and some state officials have boasted this was done to target FLDS), is a female under 18 with a child being defined as abuse, and being accepted by many as such?

Has prejudice, assumption, misinformation, misconduct, and inflammatory innuendo by Texas authorities occurred? Has there been a broad reflection of similar standing within elements of the general population, as well as a disregard of, and disdain for, many of the facts?

Is this religious prejudice and persecution, and perhaps in a vein not that far removed from what the founding fathers of the Mormon Church once encountered and fled?

At what point does the embrace of prejudice and the abandonment of reasonable and prudent legal practice become a threat to our society and the freedoms we hold so dear?

sue

I do not believe any official in texas believes that whatthey are doing is legal, it is not. Give those women their children back fire the head of dcfs and the judge for breaking laws and not following the constitution. Do it now no depARTMENT OF OUR GOVERNMENT CAN OPERATE WITH NO ONE TO ANSWER TO AND CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES HAS GOTTEN WAY OUT OF CONTROL. it is illegal to use any evidence found in an illegal raid. The law is on the side of the americans whose rights were illegally broken. Remember we have watched our legal system have to let guilty people go simple because they were not given their constitutional rights, in this case the warrent was filed on no eveidece at all. what a buch of idiots in texas, now they just say we don't have to go by the constitution, who do they think they are ???? George Bush?

Ron

Seems to me civil rights are being violated in Texas & the founding fathers would turn in their grave re: freedom of religion, not.

snickerdoodle

okay, y'all, I heard a bit of news last night.

What have I been saying all along?

*the phone call is irrelevant, the abuse accounted for the removals*

Yes.

What did I hear a CNN newsman saying last night?

*the phone call is irrelevant, the abuse accounted for the removals*

Back-up for what I have been saying all along. Any questions?

bilbo

I have no doubt this woman was known even before the call re YFZ abuse was made.
I believe, while the abuse was horrible, and the authorities could have made arrests of perpetrators at any time, these same authorities manipulated and used all the controversy to misrepresent the grounds for search warrant.
Dittos for stealing kids, too.
I feel all the men could have/should have been arrested as early as 4 years prior to the unconstitutional raid and warrant. After all, does not the involved sheriff claim to have an informer in p0lace, on site, for the past 4 years.
Again: I deplore all the abuse, if claims are correct, BUT believe political manipulation has destroyed many lives here.

miss priss

so why are the kids in state custody still???? I am so mad about this ordeal!!!!

Bot

I haven't met anyone in favor of 14-year-olds being impregnated by older men. But when are the Texas Rangers going to raid the Dallas inner-city homes of pregnant 14-year-olds and cart off the other children, who might be subject to similar abuse? And when will they shutter the Planned Parenthood locations which refuse to report statutory rape of 14-year-olds by men in their twenties? Why isn't there equal treatment under Texas' law?

sad

Obviously something is wrong with this woman and she needs help. I just wonder if this investigation couldn't have been done before the State of Texas took away 416 children from their parents, traumatizing them for the rest of their lives. Seems like this lady was involved in the Texas raid with making false claims and now Texas can't admit they have been fooled so they keep the kids. Terrible for the children, very traumatic and all because this lady has some mental problems. I am certain Texas authorities are not going to admit they were fooled by this woman, they are going to continue to say they believe this Sarah is among the teenagers taken from the compound. It would have been good to investigate before arresting without a lick of proof.

Daniel

The Texas authorities say they know Sarah is legit because she knew specific details about life inside the compound, but apparently they weren't paying attention when Jessop told the entire nation that the "Sarah" that called her also knew details about life inside the other FLDS communities. Meisner says "Sarah" doesn't matter because they found young pregnant girls named Sarah in the compound (how on earth could that ever be relevant?!?). This whole hearing has been a joke. 18 years of professional experience with the FLDS is overruled by less than 24 hours exposure to the community in a state of panic. They haven't even begun to show that underage brides are at all common, but because one CPS official says they saw a systematic pattern of abuse (without providing any real evidence for it) the state will keep the children. This judge knew they were keeping the children from the very beginning. She had absolutely no intention of giving them a chance in that hearing. It was just a formality. Almost makes me ashamed to be a Texan.

Red Texan

You really don't want to mess with Texas.

David

I totally agree with "not stupid" While I think that FLDS practices are strange and there probably is some abuse, they have not been handled fairly.

This is opening the doors

........Supposing the government decides other family's in this country are doing something "illegal" in their perspective, bust our doors down with no search warrants, confiscate everything we own, and take custody of these individuals for so called "Safety measures".

I don't like whats ahead in our future.

Thank God

Thank God for you Flora, my heart is with you every step of the way. Please don't ever stop what your doing, you are a God send. The woman who made the phoney calls maybe sick, but God works in mysterious ways. I hope it was her calls that put an end to the maddness that was going on. If you ever need anything just ask I know there are many who will help. God be with you, all my love to you and those you have helped.

Isn't it ironic

I am struck at the irony of this case. In our unsheltered society where pornography and early sexual relations among teenagers is not only protected by the state (aka. planned parenthood and free condoms through the school system)society in general no longer shudders at such things and regards a woman's choice to abort (kill) an unborn child okay. Yet, in a more closed society like the FLDS where women feel the need to marry young and cheerish children, living by the highest moral codes of modesty, living simply and humbly, these women are somehow dangerous and unable to think for themselves by the time they are 14 and now their children are taken away. I know there are abuses that have occured in polygamous communities, but I have to believe they are the exception and not the norm as with most of society. These women love their children, and the fathers I've seen interviewed didn't seem predatorial to me. Yes their wives are young BUT they are not out there looking for young girls to take advantage of, they regard their unions as sacred...BIG DIFFERENCE! This is why God judges the heart and not as man.

Gena

According to an AP story yesterday, courts have generally found that children cannot be taken because of the beliefs of their parents. He stated that a child cannot be taken if a father teaches his child that it is okay to smoke pot - it is only when the father facilitates the child smoking pot that the child can be taken. The whole CPS case yesterday rested on their assertion that the FLDS "belief system" leads to underage marriage and pregnancy - an assertion that was refuted by Walsh. Even many of the attorneys ad litem (the court appointed attorneys for the children) shot this argument down. There are serious constitutional problems with CPS's whole case, and pointing out those problems does not make one a supporter of child abuse or polygamy or the FLDS.

LOL

Freedom of religion? I hate it when people use that when there is clearly abuse going on in that compound. No one should hide behind "freedom of religion" and abuse children!

Man Fraid

This woman was clever to put the Sting on the FLDS. She knew where to call in TX to trigger the raid. They're going to break the back of the FLDS. The ranch is done!

I'M SO SAD, I'M SO SAD.

Whats with all the I'M SO SAD baloney on these blogs. I'M SO SAD THEIR ARE SO MANY EVIL CULTS IN THIS WORLD...I'M SO SAD! I'M SO SAD!! GEEZE! GIVE ME A BREAK, because I'M SO SAD and I'M SO SAD THERE IS A DEVIL OUT THERE! I'M SO SAD! I'M SO VERY SAD. SO SAD TO BE SAD. I'M SO SAD TO HAVE A SAD DAY. SAD DAY FOR SACKS! VERY SAD!

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