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Attorneys representing FLDS looking for custody changes, visitation
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russ | 5:59 a.m. April 18, 2008
Society has no choice but to hold the children. If some of the kids have been
abused, then by law our society has to protect the others in the situation.
My hat is off to the guts and logic of the Texas system. Beats what Utah does.
My hat is off to the guts and logic of the Texas system. Beats what Utah does.
Camille | 6:08 a.m. April 18, 2008
There is something that concerns me about all of this. These children were
brought up so differently from other children that the CPS have dealt with. You
can't just toss them in any foster care without causing even more harm to
these frightened kids. Are they sure they have the best interest of these kids
in mind? All of this worries me.
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Rednael | 6:18 a.m. April 18, 2008
Worldnetdaily is reporting that the "phantom caller Sarah" is a hoax
and the perp is being questioned in Colorado.
I wonder how/if this will effect the legal circus going on in Texas.
I wonder how/if this will effect the legal circus going on in Texas.
Bot | 6:46 a.m. April 18, 2008
I haven't met anyone in favor of 14-year-olds being impregnated by older
men. But when are the Texas Rangers going to raid the Dallas inner-city homes
of pregnant 14-year-olds and cart off the other children, who might be subject
to similar abuse? And when will they shutter the Planned Parenthood locations
which refuse to report statutory rape of 14-year-olds by men in their twenties?
Why isn't there equal treatment under Texas' law?
Jack | 6:47 a.m. April 18, 2008
"...the majority of children taken during a raid on an FLDS ranch showed no
signs of physical or sexual abuse..."
There you have it. Case closed, give them back to their parents. Arrest the CPS workers and disbar the judge.
You can't hold children solely based on your own assertion that they might possibly become abused or abusers in 10-12 years. This story just gets more and more absurd.
There you have it. Case closed, give them back to their parents. Arrest the CPS workers and disbar the judge.
You can't hold children solely based on your own assertion that they might possibly become abused or abusers in 10-12 years. This story just gets more and more absurd.
Floyd | 7:03 a.m. April 18, 2008
This Ms Voss obviously has a problem with men. She seems to be intimidated and
terrified by the presence of men. Did she expect to find only women present? How
does she handle exposure to men in the rest of her life??
If she would go to the local high school she would most assuredly find a higher percentage of pregnant teen agers then were present at the compound. Using her reasoning, the school should be closed because in the future there may be more pregnant girls there.
It's beginning to break down, the possible false caller may have been found, the real reasons for the kidnapping of children are based on the imagined fears of a hostile agent with excessive power.
The power of these agents is really scary when you think about it.They can do mostly anything they want under the disguise of law.
Can we concentrate on the investigation of REAL abuse. There is no shortage of actual abuse to prosecute.
If she would go to the local high school she would most assuredly find a higher percentage of pregnant teen agers then were present at the compound. Using her reasoning, the school should be closed because in the future there may be more pregnant girls there.
It's beginning to break down, the possible false caller may have been found, the real reasons for the kidnapping of children are based on the imagined fears of a hostile agent with excessive power.
The power of these agents is really scary when you think about it.They can do mostly anything they want under the disguise of law.
Can we concentrate on the investigation of REAL abuse. There is no shortage of actual abuse to prosecute.
pre-crime | 7:03 a.m. April 18, 2008
juvenile-family court should be abolished for the farce it is.
Move the whole thing to district court.
If an actual crime has been committed then persons involved should be arrested and prosecuted.
But move it to real court where allegations have to be proved. And where the accused have the benefit of rights given to them by our consitituion
The problem with CPS is that they hide behind innuendo and maybes.
Move the whole thing to district court.
If an actual crime has been committed then persons involved should be arrested and prosecuted.
But move it to real court where allegations have to be proved. And where the accused have the benefit of rights given to them by our consitituion
The problem with CPS is that they hide behind innuendo and maybes.
Blaine | 7:14 a.m. April 18, 2008
KSR said�
> Thanks to seperation (sic) of church and state,
> religious laws of any kind have no power within
> our borders.
Huh? What part of the US Constitution says anything about separation of church and state and the voiding of religious laws? KSR, like most Americans, needs to go back to third-grade civics.
> Thanks to seperation (sic) of church and state,
> religious laws of any kind have no power within
> our borders.
Huh? What part of the US Constitution says anything about separation of church and state and the voiding of religious laws? KSR, like most Americans, needs to go back to third-grade civics.
Douglas | 7:23 a.m. April 18, 2008
I remind all the posters who harped about the 5 women who chose to go to
the shelter. Turns out they were promised that was the way to get theit
children back faster, and when they learned they were duped, they returned to
the compound.
The desperation of CPS to reverse-engineer a removal case is obvious, shocking, and undwinding.
How is it possible, for example, given what CPS has said about this religious compound, that only "at least five" children under 18 are pregnant or have children. If we assume 200 of the 416 kids are girls, how in the world do we have only 5? Forget the issue about where (jusrisdiction wise) the under 18's became pregnant, forget the fact that the 16 and 17 year olds are above the age of consent, forget the fact that CPS has failed to give us a number of these 5 that are, or appear, to be under 16. Shouldn't there be more if what they allege about a "widespread", "pervasive" practice is true? And the CPS argument, applied to the boys, is absolutely nuts. Apply it defendants arested for drug possession, high school dropouts, faith healers, etc. Is this really America?
The desperation of CPS to reverse-engineer a removal case is obvious, shocking, and undwinding.
How is it possible, for example, given what CPS has said about this religious compound, that only "at least five" children under 18 are pregnant or have children. If we assume 200 of the 416 kids are girls, how in the world do we have only 5? Forget the issue about where (jusrisdiction wise) the under 18's became pregnant, forget the fact that the 16 and 17 year olds are above the age of consent, forget the fact that CPS has failed to give us a number of these 5 that are, or appear, to be under 16. Shouldn't there be more if what they allege about a "widespread", "pervasive" practice is true? And the CPS argument, applied to the boys, is absolutely nuts. Apply it defendants arested for drug possession, high school dropouts, faith healers, etc. Is this really America?
Blaine | 7:28 a.m. April 18, 2008
russ said:
> Society has no choice but to hold the children.
> If some of the kids have been abused, then by law
> our society has to protect the others in the
> situation.
By society do you mean government? Because it was government agents -- not society -- that raided the FLDS compound. They kidnapped 416 children with absolutely no evidence that any of them had ever been harmed (as you said, "*If* some of the kids had been abused"). Just how powerful do you want your society (government) to be? Powerful enough to take your own children or grandchildren based on nothing more than a crank phone call? In my opinion, there are a lot of government agents (including at least one judge) in Texas that should be in jail tonight for abusing their power. No, I'm not FLDS nor do I support or empathize with their beliefs regarding polygamy or child marriage.
> Society has no choice but to hold the children.
> If some of the kids have been abused, then by law
> our society has to protect the others in the
> situation.
By society do you mean government? Because it was government agents -- not society -- that raided the FLDS compound. They kidnapped 416 children with absolutely no evidence that any of them had ever been harmed (as you said, "*If* some of the kids had been abused"). Just how powerful do you want your society (government) to be? Powerful enough to take your own children or grandchildren based on nothing more than a crank phone call? In my opinion, there are a lot of government agents (including at least one judge) in Texas that should be in jail tonight for abusing their power. No, I'm not FLDS nor do I support or empathize with their beliefs regarding polygamy or child marriage.
David the Quaker | 7:25 a.m. April 18, 2008
In response to KSR, the reason for seperation of church and state in this
country is for the protection of the church FROM the state.
If any children show signs of abuse, pursue that case.
If any children show signs of abuse, pursue that case.
avengeance | 7:26 a.m. April 18, 2008
I'm amazed that the CPS worker was so frightened by unamred, plain-clothed
FLDS men, when the dogs on her leash had machine guns and black ski masks.
Maybe she was frightened because her notepad, where she could write and draw
anything her imagination conjured was being counteracted with video cameras
belonging to the FLDS members?
If you are ever falsely accused of child abuse, your biggest defensive weapon is a voice recorder and a video camera. Too bad the government agents nabbed as much of the FLDS evidence as they could. It'll probably get "lost" somewhere.
If you are ever falsely accused of child abuse, your biggest defensive weapon is a voice recorder and a video camera. Too bad the government agents nabbed as much of the FLDS evidence as they could. It'll probably get "lost" somewhere.
Stay Tuned | 7:26 a.m. April 18, 2008
This story is better than anything Hollywood can think up. I predict there will
be some bombshells dropped before it's all over.
Kevin in Texas | 7:34 a.m. April 18, 2008
How scared and in danger could she feel with all those tanks and armed officers
around to back her up? It is clear that, in her mind, there was danger to the
children because she was paranoid, not because there was any real danger. They
still have not produced evidence of even one girl who was 14 and pregnant. The
age now stated in court of pregnant girls has risen from 13 to 17-18 years old.
To me it looks like religious bigatry so far.
Enablers! | 7:41 a.m. April 18, 2008
Based on many response posted about this who very sad event I now understand why
such abuse of women, young girls and boys has been tolerated in Utah and Arizona
for over 100 years. Same on you all!
Stephanie | 7:51 a.m. April 18, 2008
Hey KSR, I hope you are next in line to "give to Caesar what is
Caesar's," and by this, of course, I mean YOUR KIDS. That is what you
are saying.
Wow, they are the arrogant ones? From your self-righteous "I can't stand to condemn just one group at a time I have to throw in others I hate who aren't even involved" tone I would say you might need to look in the mirror, mister.
Wow, they are the arrogant ones? From your self-righteous "I can't stand to condemn just one group at a time I have to throw in others I hate who aren't even involved" tone I would say you might need to look in the mirror, mister.
ex FLDS | 7:57 a.m. April 18, 2008
I lived in Colorado City my entire life. I decided that life just wasn't
for me, so I took my 3 kids and left. No "escaping" my family
respected my wishes and helped me move to the neighboring town of St.George.
These women who claim they had to RUN and ESCAPE is LUDICROUS!! Also the idea of
abuse among this people is ludicrous. These "poor picked on" women
need to get a life. They are just trying to sell their story. I had a wonderful
life there at the "crik" would'nt change it for the world. I grew
up with 2 mothers and 25 siblings. 17 of which are still living there and loving
it. My mother was adamant about us getting a good education. I have 3 nurses,1
school teacher, 1 engineer, 2 fire fighter/peramedics,1 massage ther.2 dental
asst. 1medical asst. and 3 EMT siblings. I GREW UP WITH THESE PEOPLE IN TEXAS
AND THEY ARE NOT ABUSIVE PEOPLE! I SEE THEM ON TV FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHTS AND
IT BREAKS MY HEART WHATS BEING DONE TO THE INNOCENT CHILDREN! IF YOU HAVE A BEEF
WITH THE MEN, TAKE THEM AWAY AND LEAVE THE INNOCENT!!!!!
AT Risk? | 8:01 a.m. April 18, 2008
So if some CPS 'expert' determines that even though most children did
not show any signs of abuse they were still at risk and therefore that justifies
giving the State of Texas permanent custody? Then they have the audacity to say
this isn't about their religion but only about sexual abuse. If this raid
gets thrown out as being unconstitutional (which appears more and more likely)
then the stuff that was taken will likely be tossed as well and there will be no
case. Just a lot of distressed kids, parents, lawyers, and one Judge who should
have been very cautious about the original orders and warrants.
Anonymous | 8:02 a.m. April 18, 2008
Like Waco, a tragedy will occur before this is over. Like Waco, the authorities
will wish they had done it differently. Like Waco, there will be innocent
victims of government abuse of power. Like Waco, those who fail to learn from
history are doomed to a repeat.
Bill | 8:08 a.m. April 18, 2008
Why was the Baptist church so willing to lend their busses to the authorities to
cart the children off?
Why did the authorities confiscate all the videos cameras that they could find from the residents of the community who were filming them taking the children?
Why are authorities surprised that the children presently in captivity prefer more healthy natural foods to canned soda and processed foods?
Why are small boys being accused of being future "perpetrators" of sexual crimes and being punished many years before any crime is actually committed?
It looks to me like a wash. The children are to be "protected" against illegal activities carried on by some of their parents. This protection involves the trauma of taking them from their homes under the escort of armed men with a military style tank, Introducing them to a world of junk food, alcohol, drugs and cigarettes, subjecting them to interviews and grilling about sexual topics by strangers, separating them from their families and sending them off around the country to uncertain futures and possible abuse and neglect in foster homes. Perhaps they'll develop a "normal" interest in baseball and take up the use of steroids?
A total fiasco.
Why did the authorities confiscate all the videos cameras that they could find from the residents of the community who were filming them taking the children?
Why are authorities surprised that the children presently in captivity prefer more healthy natural foods to canned soda and processed foods?
Why are small boys being accused of being future "perpetrators" of sexual crimes and being punished many years before any crime is actually committed?
It looks to me like a wash. The children are to be "protected" against illegal activities carried on by some of their parents. This protection involves the trauma of taking them from their homes under the escort of armed men with a military style tank, Introducing them to a world of junk food, alcohol, drugs and cigarettes, subjecting them to interviews and grilling about sexual topics by strangers, separating them from their families and sending them off around the country to uncertain futures and possible abuse and neglect in foster homes. Perhaps they'll develop a "normal" interest in baseball and take up the use of steroids?
A total fiasco.
Break The Bank | 8:05 a.m. April 18, 2008
I hope that the state of Texas is sued for all they have. I further hope that
the proceeds would go to these women and children...not the FLDS.
Keep Sweet | 8:14 a.m. April 18, 2008
This FLDS compound is no more than a brothel where old men play out their sexual
fantasies with young girls and hide behind their religion to justify it.
jake | 8:14 a.m. April 18, 2008
Forgive me for my naivete, but if an "army" of armed personnel came
into your neighborhood looking through your streets and property, and you were a
father, wouldn't you be around every corner watching what was going to
happen next? Why wouldn't there be men at every entrance? Why wouldn't
you want to record what was happening to your family, friends and neighbors? For
crying out loud, Voss had full "military" support behind her, she was
peacefully and politely allowed access to these people's homes and
families, and sits on the stand and tells of how fearful she was! It is amazing
how fearful you can feel when you know that what you are doing is wrong and the
people you are assaulting know it's wrong and you're violating their
personal rights. There was no fear except what Voss and company brought upon
themselves by their intrusive behavior. What a farce this legal action is
becoming. Judge Walther is clearly out of her league and complicit in this
violation. One last point. How hard would it have been to seal off the compound,
hold a hearing first before removing 500 people from the secrity of their homes?
Just something to consider | 8:16 a.m. April 18, 2008
I am the mother of three small children. Only one of them is 5 years old and
therefore old enough to be a witness. From my experience, once a child latches
on to a story that sounds good to them, they can make themselves truly believe
it's factual.
This could be used on either side of the case: parents could "brainwash" their children into thinking there was no abuse when there really was, or (which I think is more likely) the CPS could "suggest" to them that abuses happened when they didn't, and the children might then believe it.
This could be used on either side of the case: parents could "brainwash" their children into thinking there was no abuse when there really was, or (which I think is more likely) the CPS could "suggest" to them that abuses happened when they didn't, and the children might then believe it.
Andrus | 8:23 a.m. April 18, 2008
Romney's opposition to gay marriage was based on the assertion that
children are best raised in a family with one mother and one father. Underage
sex abuse completely aside, why do we never hear polygamy criticised for being a
threat to marriage the way gay marriage is, for allowing children to have
multiple mothers, as these Texas kids apparently believe they have?
jake | 8:26 a.m. April 18, 2008
To Enablers! / 7:41,
Shame on you for complicity in supporting erosion of constituional protections, for "enabling" full scale intimidation of those not in line with your political or spiritual opinion. Those who see this other than you do in no way support child abuse of any kind. We believe fully that any and all who rightfully ought to be prosecuted for crimes against children should be arrested and face the full brunt of the law, but this CPS action with support of an overzealous "country judge" has wreaked havoc where it ought not have been. Don't call us enablers who believe in the process of constitutional law. That there are serious legal objections so quickly in the process indicates how hasty the actions of the CPS have been. When you go fishing for trout and catch a few, keep them, but don't shock treat the whole lake trying to get your limit.
Shame on you for complicity in supporting erosion of constituional protections, for "enabling" full scale intimidation of those not in line with your political or spiritual opinion. Those who see this other than you do in no way support child abuse of any kind. We believe fully that any and all who rightfully ought to be prosecuted for crimes against children should be arrested and face the full brunt of the law, but this CPS action with support of an overzealous "country judge" has wreaked havoc where it ought not have been. Don't call us enablers who believe in the process of constitutional law. That there are serious legal objections so quickly in the process indicates how hasty the actions of the CPS have been. When you go fishing for trout and catch a few, keep them, but don't shock treat the whole lake trying to get your limit.
Mike | 8:29 a.m. April 18, 2008
She was so scared because she had prejudiced ideas about these people. She
imagined them to be evil 'cultists', ready to pounce on her and commit
violence at any moment. After all, this is what her superiors and the media told
her about them.
In reality, the government paramilitary goon squad is whats really scary. They were the ones poised to strike and brutalize civilians at the drop of a hat.
In reality, the government paramilitary goon squad is whats really scary. They were the ones poised to strike and brutalize civilians at the drop of a hat.
Rebekah | 8:42 a.m. April 18, 2008
So, according to Texas CPS, leaving these children in their homes with people
who love them on the assumption that they may possibly at one time in the next
10-15 years become victims of sexual abuse, is a much worse option than putting
them into Texas Foster Homes where people do NOT love them, where they will go
through hell, and where the likelihood of them being sexually abused is not just
a dim possibility but rather a menacing fact.
Well... if that is Texas logic, then maybe their state motto should say something more like, "Don't mess with the kids of Texas... leave that up to the State of Texas! We'll abuse them the "right" way for you."
Did you see the report today on CNN that says in a recent audit of Foster homes addresses compared to registered sex offenders there were 49 sex offenders REGISTERED as living at foster homes?
Wow... now that really makes sense. DUH!
Well... if that is Texas logic, then maybe their state motto should say something more like, "Don't mess with the kids of Texas... leave that up to the State of Texas! We'll abuse them the "right" way for you."
Did you see the report today on CNN that says in a recent audit of Foster homes addresses compared to registered sex offenders there were 49 sex offenders REGISTERED as living at foster homes?
Wow... now that really makes sense. DUH!
just wondering | 8:50 a.m. April 18, 2008
What will happen to future children born to the flds women? Will there be an
annual spring round-up or should we just sterilize all of the women and neuter
all the men to keep them from breeding further?
Cari | 8:57 a.m. April 18, 2008
You can't help but see a common thread here...Ms. Voss keep talking about
how scary and frightening the situation was seeing men every where in the
compound but she ignores the fact that this is exactly how the women and
children of the FLDS compound are probably seeing their surroundings as soon as
armed men, uniformed officials and tanks all moved in to "take a
look". Talk about scary, Ms. Voss, you don't have a clue do you? Scary
is prime time TV, scary is shopping at the local mall for a dress for your teen
that doesn't look like she walking the streets, scary is porn readily
available on cell phones for all ages, scary is OUR world!
KK | 8:53 a.m. April 18, 2008
Just listen to the LDS posters defend these polygs. No wonder they have free
reign in Utah.
kids having kids | 8:53 a.m. April 18, 2008
Only a peculiar people would advocate their children having children.
Convinced | 9:06 a.m. April 18, 2008
Well, all you FLDS and polygamist sympathisers have convinced me that the real
dangers in this country are the laws and the constituion upon which it is
founded...that it really should be okay for pedophiles to act on their urges and
that teenage girls really should be taken advantage of by dirty old men, and
that they really should not have any say in who they marry. You've all
convinced me that society in general is totally out of line in thinking that
arranged marriages between teenage girls and dirty old men is something that is
sick, gross and unlawful. You've all convinced me that teenage girls can
and should have babies and that it's okay for them to have no say
whatsoever at all in what they want to do with their lives and that it's
simply normal for dirty, old men to act on their fantasies and marry these
teenagers.
You know, I have a little girl and all I wanted was for her to be loved and cared for all her life, but now I'm thinking that is just plain nuts.
Thanks for setting me straight.
You know, I have a little girl and all I wanted was for her to be loved and cared for all her life, but now I'm thinking that is just plain nuts.
Thanks for setting me straight.
wondering... | 9:04 a.m. April 18, 2008
What the women who chose to seek safety in shelters rather than returning to the
compound have to say about this. It will be very interesting to have them shed
light on what is really going on, now that they aren't under the control of
the men there.
It's too bad people are defending child abusers and rapists. No girl at age 13 should be raped and forced into a twisted "marriage". Girls at 13 are still children and as a society we have an obligation to protect them.
It's too bad people are defending child abusers and rapists. No girl at age 13 should be raped and forced into a twisted "marriage". Girls at 13 are still children and as a society we have an obligation to protect them.
Anonymous | 9:05 a.m. April 18, 2008
I've never been a big fan of children having children.
And I don't give a flying (blank) what any prophet, seer and revelator says about the condoning of it.
And I don't give a flying (blank) what any prophet, seer and revelator says about the condoning of it.
Genocide | 9:08 a.m. April 18, 2008
I agree with a previous comment on this whole thing being Genocide. According to
the UN definition posted that is exactly what it is.
The FLDS have an unprecedented golden opportunity here but they must stand up, sharpen their legal axes, claim their rights, and go after the criminals who have flagrantly disregarded the rule of law and declared war on them by committing genocide. They have the power to make sure this case will be one for the national history books.
Even if all the abuse and other buzz words are happening down there, the stupid arrogant law breaking Texas San Angelo CPS has and is playing right into the FLDS hands, thus nullifying CPS' stated goal of child safety and well being.
Oh and where are the ACLU�s and the Gerry Spence�s of the world?
Lane Meyer
The FLDS have an unprecedented golden opportunity here but they must stand up, sharpen their legal axes, claim their rights, and go after the criminals who have flagrantly disregarded the rule of law and declared war on them by committing genocide. They have the power to make sure this case will be one for the national history books.
Even if all the abuse and other buzz words are happening down there, the stupid arrogant law breaking Texas San Angelo CPS has and is playing right into the FLDS hands, thus nullifying CPS' stated goal of child safety and well being.
Oh and where are the ACLU�s and the Gerry Spence�s of the world?
Lane Meyer
Ekim | 9:16 a.m. April 18, 2008
Go Texas!!!
Maybe Utah and Arizona will now step up to the plate.
Maybe Utah and Arizona will now step up to the plate.
Ronnie | 9:16 a.m. April 18, 2008
Despite the magnitude and scope of this particular case, does anyone lean to
wards the view that if even one child even 'seems' to be in danger of
'possible' sexual or other abuse, then action must be taken to head
off that possibility?
The social worker's dilemma is always whether to what the public might consider "too much" or "too little." But isn't it right for the state to offer all protection possible to every child until the cases are decided one way or another?
JAKE: What seems hasty action is due to the legal requirement to bring cases of child sexual abuse before a court within 14 days.
I agree that Voss' language is emotionally loaded, but remember that she is dealing with children who may be at risk of serious sexual assaults.
Those of us with children of our own would be happy to have someone of her mettle tasking interest in their welfare should they ever be in the invidious position of the likelihood of being married before completing puberty to someone old enough to be their grandfather.
Children need all the protection they can get to prevent them from harm.
The social worker's dilemma is always whether to what the public might consider "too much" or "too little." But isn't it right for the state to offer all protection possible to every child until the cases are decided one way or another?
JAKE: What seems hasty action is due to the legal requirement to bring cases of child sexual abuse before a court within 14 days.
I agree that Voss' language is emotionally loaded, but remember that she is dealing with children who may be at risk of serious sexual assaults.
Those of us with children of our own would be happy to have someone of her mettle tasking interest in their welfare should they ever be in the invidious position of the likelihood of being married before completing puberty to someone old enough to be their grandfather.
Children need all the protection they can get to prevent them from harm.
Sokol | 9:13 a.m. April 18, 2008
This is nothing more than biased religious persecution. It represents the
hostile, unwarranted
interference by the state into the rights of parents.
One posssible false allegation and 416 children
are removed from parents by guns, police and armored
cars. Is this how low we have come in this country?
These people, albeit they are not my religious views,
have a right to a peacable existance with their familial relationships protected.
interference by the state into the rights of parents.
One posssible false allegation and 416 children
are removed from parents by guns, police and armored
cars. Is this how low we have come in this country?
These people, albeit they are not my religious views,
have a right to a peacable existance with their familial relationships protected.
Sokol | 9:18 a.m. April 18, 2008
Wondering, you are talking without the backing of substantiated evidence to
support your claim. Right
now the existance of such conclusive evidence, that
13 year olds were forced to have sex, does not exist.
Your prejudice against these people is showing. Religious bigotry is the stuff Texas CPS is made of
in their over the top raid.
now the existance of such conclusive evidence, that
13 year olds were forced to have sex, does not exist.
Your prejudice against these people is showing. Religious bigotry is the stuff Texas CPS is made of
in their over the top raid.
HD | 9:20 a.m. April 18, 2008
So the government took away hundreds of children based on a phony phone call,
scary men in the doorways, and the anticipation that the children may become
abused in the future.
Hoo boy.
Texas is going to get sued big time.
Hoo boy.
Texas is going to get sued big time.
David | 9:29 a.m. April 18, 2008
The government of Texas has no business taking children away from innocent
parents. The government should prosecute those that have done wrong, and
reunite the rest of the families.
What is being done in Texas is just religious terrorism.
What is being done in Texas is just religious terrorism.
Anonymous | 9:27 a.m. April 18, 2008
All this talk about kids having kids is so amazing to me. Have you looked at
the teen pregnancy rate in america? what about Anna Nicole Smith and that old
texas man...anyone go drag her out? of course she wasn't 15 but my best
friend in Jr. high had a son at 15. Didn't have a loving father for him
EVER. These people love their children. Voss is a creep. She should be jailed
along with the judge. So many people seem so willing to excuse any kind of
sexual behavior in this country. Have you seen all the perversion on Mardi
Gras? Kids are doing this stuff too. Good grief.. What a double standard.
RE: | 9:34 a.m. April 18, 2008
Maybe we should add an extra k, I am not LDS and I
believe honoring and protecting civil rights is a must in a just society. Sokol
believe honoring and protecting civil rights is a must in a just society. Sokol
Gena | 9:31 a.m. April 18, 2008
The women who went to the shelters left the shelters and returned to the ranch
once they realized they had been lied to by CPS when CPS told them that going to
the shelters would help them get their children back sooner.
Been watching too much Nancy Grace lately?? She doesn't get her facts straight, either.
Been watching too much Nancy Grace lately?? She doesn't get her facts straight, either.
Lives in San Angelo | 9:31 a.m. April 18, 2008
I live in San Angelo and am a member of the LDS Church. I have had numerous
dealings with the CPS. They are as near the IRS as any agency. They are above
the law, make their own rules and definitely have their own agenda. Walk in the
alternative HS and see the number of pregnant teens, 13 to 17, it is staggering.
I have yet to see the CPS attack that building with SWAT and the game wardens.
This was not a random taking of children. Several agencies swarmed down on the
compound and took without due process 416 children. They yanked them from their
parents' arms. Allegations are one thing, proof is another. The CPS is an
embarrassment and nees to be reigned in. I do not support the FLDS, but I spent
24 years defending the constitution, guaranteeing all CITIZENS their rights, not
an abusal of them.
BJT OREGON | 9:33 a.m. April 18, 2008
Was I the only one that picked up on the fact that not once was there any
mention of any of those "menacing males FLDS" assaulting or attacking
the CPS worker who felt "threatened"? Darn right I'd video tape
someone raiding my home. How would you feel, as a male, watching your family
being hauld off and knowing you were helpless to stop it? Why haven't we
heard news reports on their take on this? We have heard from all the women but
not them. Why don't we see them sitting in on the court proceedings? Where
are they?
re: wondering | 9:34 a.m. April 18, 2008
Those mothers went back to the ranch b/c CPS lied and told them if they went to
the shelter they could get more visitation--sounds like a concerned mother to
me... When they realized they were lied to, they returned.. No mother stayed in
the shelter or fled according to recent news reports...
Grow brains | 9:37 a.m. April 18, 2008
Polygamy is a CRIME, people. It is child abuse and pedophilia. It's obvious
Mormons turn a blind eye to this craziness but the rest of the planet sees it
for what it truly is: brainwashed women allowing their female children to be
used as sex objects by perverted old men in the name of religion. Young boys
being thrown out into the street to make way for older predators. It is sick and
criminal and needs to be dealt with immediately! Just becuase someone claims to
have a 'revelation' and then calls himself a 'prophet'
DOESN'T MAKE IT SO. I just had a revelation you should all give me your
money.
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And that's what arrested terrorists suspects tell the U.S. as well.
Thanks to seperation of church and state, religious laws of any kind have no power within our borders. Just talk to arrested terrorist suspects. They will say they want their cases judged under Islamic law. Well, guess what? Islamic law doesn't apply because it is religious law.
I believe that God is forcing the FLDS to learn to "give to Caesar what is Caesar's". If I were them, I would learn this lesson quickly. Part of the reason they are in this mess is because they are arrogant. These people have thought they were above the law because they are in a "special" religion. It's too bad they had to pay a high price to learn this lesson.