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Thank God for Texas cont. | 5:41 p.m. April 17, 2008
Edit: I meant to say just because they are 18 doesn't mean they did not
carry at 17. The girl reported on Yahoo and in the story was 16. They REPORTED
three girls under this description with the name Sarah. To all of the people
crying woe is FLDS that this is fake, what will you say if the accusations are
true? As of yesterday it was reported on FOX and CBS that women have and are
reportedly leaving the community because of these hapennings they say that ARE
going on.
Sugar Momma | 5:38 p.m. April 17, 2008
Man, this article got a lot of people fired up against Texas. For me, reading
the details thus far made me actually relieved they got the minors and children
out.
The women and probably men don't know what abuse is. This sect won't allow access to anything outside, including news. Nor education. Yeah, this judge has her hands full.
But if the kids stay, the boys end up being kicked out as teens or are groomed to become statutory rapists. And the girls are destined to be statutorily raped.
And yet foster care isn't a pretty option either. I saw a special on serial killers recently, and they made the comment that most of them had come from orphanage/foster care units.
Either way I see it, the kids are going to get screwed. Whether they stay or go, except for perhaps a lucky few if they end up in good foster homes.
The women and probably men don't know what abuse is. This sect won't allow access to anything outside, including news. Nor education. Yeah, this judge has her hands full.
But if the kids stay, the boys end up being kicked out as teens or are groomed to become statutory rapists. And the girls are destined to be statutorily raped.
And yet foster care isn't a pretty option either. I saw a special on serial killers recently, and they made the comment that most of them had come from orphanage/foster care units.
Either way I see it, the kids are going to get screwed. Whether they stay or go, except for perhaps a lucky few if they end up in good foster homes.
Anonymous | 5:38 p.m. April 17, 2008
With all due apologies to my LDS brothers and sisters, I cannot in good
conscience believe for one moment that Moroni told Joseph Smith that God told
Moroni that marrying a slew of women is a must in order go get into heaven.
And this peculiar practice is at the core of the problem we are now seeing (sorry mainstream media people, but the cat's out of the bag ... again)
with testosterone-driven old geezers desiring underage and immature girls.
And this peculiar practice is at the core of the problem we are now seeing (sorry mainstream media people, but the cat's out of the bag ... again)
with testosterone-driven old geezers desiring underage and immature girls.
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Re:Apples to Oranges | 5:45 p.m. April 17, 2008
O.K. Let's go apples to apples. How many people have pictures of the
Prophet Brigham Young hanging on their walls or in their places of worship. You
need to do your research (yes it too is on the internet and in the Church
History) and investigate the ages of some of his wives. And no, you would not
like to have your homes raided, your geneology stolen, your Temples searched for
evidence of sexual misconduct would you.When you know the truth, will you still
hang the pictures of your early founders? One in four Utah girls is a victim of
sexual abuse. That is a proven fact.
I commend the restraint these people have shown over the past few weeks. I think we would see a huge uprising if the families in Utah or anyplace else in America were treated in this mannor. The women are not screaming, because they are worried, distraught and do not want to fuel the feeding frenzy.America was founded on religious freeedom. If the law has been broken, then the correct process needs to take place.
I commend the restraint these people have shown over the past few weeks. I think we would see a huge uprising if the families in Utah or anyplace else in America were treated in this mannor. The women are not screaming, because they are worried, distraught and do not want to fuel the feeding frenzy.America was founded on religious freeedom. If the law has been broken, then the correct process needs to take place.
Crazy Pills? | 5:50 p.m. April 17, 2008
Am I losing my mind here?..We're talking about emotional and sexual abuse
of children! They are making their case as we speak. They have documents to
support their claims and we're watching justice unfold. The "better
off with their parents" reasoning is absolutely absurd if sexual, or any
other abuse, is involved. "But there's no evidence!" I hate to
tell you this but, that's what they're deciding right now. It's a
little premature to say those kids should be back with their parents.
Nellie | 5:56 p.m. April 17, 2008
We have to obey the laws of the land and why don't they. If I had 7
husbands I would be in jail. If I had several children and couldn't show a
US marriage license or a way of feeding them on my own, I would have be on their
list to have them taken away. Surely their church has to obey the laws of the
land as anyone else.
Arizona | 5:56 p.m. April 17, 2008
I live in a state with a large LDS population and many of them are discussed
with the way the FLDS women are working the media. These women have been raised
in this enviroment all their lives; they don't know another way of living.
Yes, they did identify 3 young ladies under the age of 17 who were pregnant, including one names Sarah, according to a report I read earlier today.
Yes, they did identify 3 young ladies under the age of 17 who were pregnant, including one names Sarah, according to a report I read earlier today.
Rednael | 5:59 p.m. April 17, 2008
OOOOooo. The big bad men were "scary" ... even though they were polite
and cordial? Scary because they were standing around on their own property?
Doesn't matter the state or whether you call them the CPS, DFS, or the SS, these social service workers are the ones trained in intimidation and thugery. Ask ANYBODY that has had the misfortune to deal with them in the past.
Doesn't matter the state or whether you call them the CPS, DFS, or the SS, these social service workers are the ones trained in intimidation and thugery. Ask ANYBODY that has had the misfortune to deal with them in the past.
Flds=antichrist=LDS | 6:09 p.m. April 17, 2008
I comment to FLDS=Antichrist
WAKE UP MAN! You have the same background. Mormonish was created by a criminal! If any of us in hear is a true Christian you know that at the end of the Bible it says in Revelations 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Therefore scratch Mormonism and the LDS Bible. We do not and are not the same. I'm not persecuting only stating simple facts.
WAKE UP MAN! You have the same background. Mormonish was created by a criminal! If any of us in hear is a true Christian you know that at the end of the Bible it says in Revelations 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Therefore scratch Mormonism and the LDS Bible. We do not and are not the same. I'm not persecuting only stating simple facts.
Sugar Momma | 6:05 p.m. April 17, 2008
"With all due apologies to my LDS brothers and sisters, I cannot in good
conscience believe for one moment that Moroni told Joseph Smith that God told
Moroni that marrying a slew of women is a must in order go get into
heaven."
I hate the concept of polygamy. I do. But I also have a true conviction of my Christian faith, so I do think JS was commanded to do it.
Isaiah 4:1
"And in that day aseven women shall take hold of one bman, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy cname, to take away our dreproach."
The early saints were chased out of four states, man. The ratios were all off. There was an excess of widows. And when they did finally start practicing it, it wasn't something they were proud of. Most of the women lived in their own homes and the men would sneak to see them at night.
As a culture, they endured it because they believed it was commanded, but it wasn't something they gaudily embraced.
And the women had a choice, unlike the fanatics of the FLDS.
I hate the concept of polygamy. I do. But I also have a true conviction of my Christian faith, so I do think JS was commanded to do it.
Isaiah 4:1
"And in that day aseven women shall take hold of one bman, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy cname, to take away our dreproach."
The early saints were chased out of four states, man. The ratios were all off. There was an excess of widows. And when they did finally start practicing it, it wasn't something they were proud of. Most of the women lived in their own homes and the men would sneak to see them at night.
As a culture, they endured it because they believed it was commanded, but it wasn't something they gaudily embraced.
And the women had a choice, unlike the fanatics of the FLDS.
AMERICA | 6:13 p.m. April 17, 2008
A person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. A people are also presumed
innocent until proven guilty.
Archaea Cougarguard | 6:09 p.m. April 17, 2008
I am a practicing attorney engaged in family law practice in Henderson, Nevada.
This TX case provides even more compelling evidence that the LDS Church needs to
take whatever steps necessary to distance ourselves publicly from the doctrine
and practice of polygamy. The general public makes little distinction between
FLDS and LDS. Colleagues from throughout the world have contacted me this week
about the LDS position, and it is difficult to respond due to the reality of the
blurred LDS position. That position being polygamy remains a LDS doctrinal
tenet(D&C 132), and is selectively practiced in temple sealings. As an LDS
member, I urge the leadership to take bold measures. Thank you.
To AMERICA | 6:22 p.m. April 17, 2008
There in this case has been enough evidence to scour the ranch until the ALREADY
pregant TEENS have been helped and found their rapists. These people obvivously
are not taking care of their young and letting them be "cropped" into
slaves and objects of underage illegal affairs. There is the proof. Stop
mourning and supporting these people. How would you feel if someone took your
daugther once they found out she could menstrate generally now in days between
ages 9-13 and had disgusting sex with her without constent obiviously? Or is
there some miracle 16 and 17 year olds are getting pregant at the ranch. Some
one answer me that. Theres the proof already all over the news, what do you
say? Thats what I thought.
art | 6:28 p.m. April 17, 2008
i am in no way affiliated with the flds church, but the timing of this and the
whole matter seems to be an attempt to embarrass the lds church.(notice the
white baptist busses "saving" the children during the initial
raid,which coincided with the lds church's conference). there is constant
news about another youth being raped by a catholic priest (news in italy this
week of a 9 year old girl--but i see no children being rounded up and bussed
away from their homes to "save" them from the priests). most of what
the news has carried has been heresay. the precedent of mob-raiding those who
are different or minority, is alarming. the news is more about how odd these
people are rather than the problem of sexual abuse of minors (and that issue and
investigation should be a quiet one). i have no patience with the flds church,
but am disgusted by the state of texas and the news media...one more waco
situation to watch from the sidelines. that's what scares me! few seem to
focus on the real problem, but prefer the sensational aspects of the situation.
Creekster CA | 6:29 p.m. April 17, 2008
To Archaea: Although I know of your work and converse often on Cougarguard, I
must respectfully disagree with your position. The LDS Church does not owe you
or any of us who are members an explanation for their doctrine in regards to
polygamy. Divine origins trump the desires of man every time.
also | 6:48 p.m. April 17, 2008
Baptist and LDS are not affliated. I'm not sure where you got that
imformation or how you dreamed it up but its not true. Two very different
beliefs. Read FDLS=Antichrist=LDS comment. Although it is common knowledge
some memebers of the Baptist Faith get lost to the LDS beliefs, and some gained
from the LDS beliefs.
sprd | 7:00 p.m. April 17, 2008
This question was asked before and I saw No Answer so I will ask it NOW. Where
are the boys? Out of over 410 children only 24 boys were found !!! This in
itself is very strange...
wow | 7:04 p.m. April 17, 2008
I didn't know that? Where are these boys??
Bilderbooger | 7:12 p.m. April 17, 2008
There is only one word to describe the governments actions against the FLDS, and
that word is GENOCIDE!
The Bolsheviks did the same thing to the Christians, and the world didn't bat an eye when those 40 Million people disappeared from the face of the Earth.
Ah yes, remember that Stalin was our "friend!" ;)
How long will it be before the government comes to take your children away, after receiving an anonymous phone call from someone who wishes to destroy your life?
The Bolsheviks did the same thing to the Christians, and the world didn't bat an eye when those 40 Million people disappeared from the face of the Earth.
Ah yes, remember that Stalin was our "friend!" ;)
How long will it be before the government comes to take your children away, after receiving an anonymous phone call from someone who wishes to destroy your life?
Just Thinking | 7:12 p.m. April 17, 2008
I heard that 6-8 teen girls were taken and put into foster homes on the first
day because they were pregnant. If this can be proven, I say all those kids
need to stay in state custody for the time being. If this cannot be proven, I
say they need to do DNA testing to figure out who these kids belong to and
return them if they have been academically educated properly and show no signs
of abuse. When they do go home, the state needs to know by DNA testing who they
belong to so they might as well get going! It's gonna take a while.
Baptist | 7:15 p.m. April 17, 2008
Polygamy is adultery and no two ways about it. We would like to run these two
religions out of town. We do not like anyone who commits ADULTERY! And God never
said for anyone to practice plural marriage. You FLDS are dreaming!
Hey Baptist? | 7:19 p.m. April 17, 2008
What "two" religions are you referring to?
wrz | 7:31 p.m. April 17, 2008
>>
This is America.
There will be Justice<< Snickerdoodle
There will be justice alright. And when it's over the State of Texas will have been charges with multiple violations of human rights abuse and violations of the US Constitution.
This is America.
There will be Justice<< Snickerdoodle
There will be justice alright. And when it's over the State of Texas will have been charges with multiple violations of human rights abuse and violations of the US Constitution.
Just Thinking | 7:30 p.m. April 17, 2008
I believe that some of these female children were sent to the ranch without
their biological parents. It allows the church to groom the girls and keeps the
male/female ratio where it needs to be for polygomy to function. The male
children become the "lost boys" who are evicted from the only lives
they know to fend for themselves without an eductation, family, or social
skills. DNA testing must be done so the state can figure out which children
were shipped in to be raised by the more worthy church members and which
children belong to parents living on the ranch.
shelly | 7:53 p.m. April 17, 2008
These children (old and young) are born into a life not unlike the life of
slaves before they were finally freed. Should America turn it's back on
those young ones because it would be the easy thing to do or should we keep
pressure on the courts to free these children.
Stop the Slavery! | 8:16 p.m. April 17, 2008
Even if Texas did go about this the wrong way and they do lose the case,
nevertheless, we as Americans can in NO way condone slavery and abuse in this
country. This can never be overlooked. These men need to be stopped at once!
This is not a religion, it is however a controlling cult.
Shelly | 8:32 p.m. April 17, 2008
I read a comment that this will make it to the Supreme Court. I hope so and it
will be then that perhaps the country will take a long hard look at this
demoralizing lifestyle and put an end to it. If you care pray for the freedom of
the children. Polygamy is against the law in this country is it not? Why does
the country turn a blind eye to this lifestyle?--------I do not call it a
religion, I call it a sickness.
avengeance | 8:34 p.m. April 17, 2008
I wonder how the CPS worker was so scared by all the "intimidating"
FLDS men, who were standing around in plain clothes, unarmed, while the CPS
workers were being led around with government agents armed to the teeth with
machine guns.
Who should have felt more afraid?
Who should have felt more afraid?
your wrong | 8:41 p.m. April 17, 2008
To avengeance, if you watched the news the ranch was heavily guarded by the FLDS
men who were armed. Watch the news... It was also stated two of the men were
jailed for attempting to stop the raid. And I say raid as in saving the
children from further abuse.
pat | 8:44 p.m. April 17, 2008
Hello!
I know for a fact that child services can keep the children for 2 years without a judge making a decision. After two years they have to go back into court to determine if the children should remain in custody, be given up for adoption after severing the parents rights or be returned to the parents.
They can pretty much do what they want. My niece was taken from my sister because they had an argument. They kept her for two years and never filed a single charge. Since she was not being abused, they waited out the two years and then handed her back to my sister who had not done one thing wrong!
Wake up people! They have PREGNANT girls in custody that are under age. They also have girls in custody that have had children when they were as young as 13. You can tell if someone has had a baby, so it is not like someone can lie about it.
I know for a fact that child services can keep the children for 2 years without a judge making a decision. After two years they have to go back into court to determine if the children should remain in custody, be given up for adoption after severing the parents rights or be returned to the parents.
They can pretty much do what they want. My niece was taken from my sister because they had an argument. They kept her for two years and never filed a single charge. Since she was not being abused, they waited out the two years and then handed her back to my sister who had not done one thing wrong!
Wake up people! They have PREGNANT girls in custody that are under age. They also have girls in custody that have had children when they were as young as 13. You can tell if someone has had a baby, so it is not like someone can lie about it.
Bill | 9:28 p.m. April 17, 2008
This started way too fast and furious. It was obviously a 'shock and
awe' strategy commenced by the self righteous, just the like the war
against the Iraqi people. Just like in that war, at some point, because there
so many unpredictable factors, this case will result in tragedy. It is going to
get unbelievably sad, and the authorities in charge will wish they had handled
it differently. Power corrupts, arrogant people ultimately get stupid, and
history is repeated. The good citizens of Texas will get stuck paying for both
sides of this war too.
Middle ground | 9:52 p.m. April 17, 2008
The FLDS community is a totalitarian society where women are denied basic rights
-- the freedom to choose one's spouse and freedom over your own body, at
the very least.
This regime is headed by a few henchman who are free to rape and abuse unhindered. It's time someone stepped in and dismantled this free-for-all molester ranch. Once the rampant abuses are unearthed here, the necessity of the raid will become apparent I believe.
This regime is headed by a few henchman who are free to rape and abuse unhindered. It's time someone stepped in and dismantled this free-for-all molester ranch. Once the rampant abuses are unearthed here, the necessity of the raid will become apparent I believe.
Maryann in Texas | 10:16 p.m. April 17, 2008
I think FLDS will find the Texas justice system fair and reasoned. However,
neither the system nor Texans will allow the abuse of children and women --
whether it is sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. I think the state will
argue there was some of all three of these in the practices of the FLDS at
Eldorado. The inability of the children to identify themselves and the
unwillingness of "mothers" to do so points to evasiveness that will
result in their being removed; the pregnancy of many children under the age of
16 (I heard at least 18) points to sexual abuse; the presence of a
"marriage bed" in the temple; and the testimony from the past year of
an informant inside the compound will all result in serious charges for all
adults -- including mothers who failed to protect their children from abuse.
Failure to act to protect children is nearly as serious an offense in the state
of Texas as is the act of the abuse.
Bet there will be some real bombshells when testimonies begin. Right now we are only in the beginning stages.
FLDS members -- be prepared for tremendouos scrutiny of your practices
Bet there will be some real bombshells when testimonies begin. Right now we are only in the beginning stages.
FLDS members -- be prepared for tremendouos scrutiny of your practices
A Texan | 10:21 p.m. April 17, 2008
most of the women interviewed is old enough to be past their child bearing
years, who are claiming to be mothers, and have no last names. Any men that are
mentioned have no last names. Where are all these "men"???? they were
at the ranch when the investigation and raid were going on..... they were seen
in the hallways, school, all around the homes... even up in the trees watching
at night LOL... Court time arrives, not many "MEN" show up in
pics.... just the same six old women as in all the pics.... this is just all too
weird!
Legal | 10:21 p.m. April 17, 2008
It's pretty disappointing to read most of the comments here. It seems no
one really read the article, nor knows the Constitution nor the law. I am
hearing all kinds of cries of 'foul play' and Communism, etc., but who
here has actually read and understood the Constitution and the laws? What they
are doing here (ie the government and CFS) is legal. Study up and then make your
comments. If you don't like how your nation is doing things, work to change
the laws, but, for heavens sake, at least understand them first, you sound like
a bunch of uneducated lemmings!
Anonymous | 10:36 p.m. April 17, 2008
There was an allegation that a 16yo had already had a baby. When the
authorities arrived they found FIVE 16yos pregnant or already mothers!
Will you people wake up and take a look at what you're defending?!
Just because Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did it does not make it right now any more than it was right then.
Stop being embarrassed by it and take a look at what's happening! The state of TX is doing their best to sort it through. Why aren't you doing whatever you can to *help*?
Will you people wake up and take a look at what you're defending?!
Just because Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did it does not make it right now any more than it was right then.
Stop being embarrassed by it and take a look at what's happening! The state of TX is doing their best to sort it through. Why aren't you doing whatever you can to *help*?
Anonymous | 10:30 p.m. April 17, 2008
Do those of you "saints" who defend the FLDS not have troubled hearts
over the amount of adultery that was going on on that ranch? Do you not have
concern for children who got no educations, were forced into unpaid labor, were
impregnated by old men and family members to the point where their very genetics
broke down into scrambled code that produces children with IQs of 20 -- unable
to control their bowel or feed themselves -- who have no choices in their lives,
who will do this to their own children in turn?
What's wrong with what religion has done to YOU that you can't recognize evil and cruelty when you see it?
What's wrong with what religion has done to YOU that you can't recognize evil and cruelty when you see it?
To Jo in Texas | 10:43 p.m. April 17, 2008
Jeffs is in jail for forcing a 14year old girl to marry her 19 year old cousin
not a fifty year old man.
Judge is a joke | 11:09 p.m. April 17, 2008
CPS always wins no matter how innocent a parent is and even if the parent has
done all that is court ordered. It can be court ordered for DHS/CPS to help the
parent to get counseling but DHS won't do it. The parent goes and pays that
doesnt help the parent. Same with if the parent attends parenting classes - it
won't help them.
The judge somehow is going to be able to rule on ALL the cases by tomorrow evening. To me this says that she has already made up her mind and rather than interview each family individually she's not going to listen to any of the lawyers for the kids or parents her mind is already made up.
The judge somehow is going to be able to rule on ALL the cases by tomorrow evening. To me this says that she has already made up her mind and rather than interview each family individually she's not going to listen to any of the lawyers for the kids or parents her mind is already made up.
Kat | 11:32 p.m. April 17, 2008
My 2 yr old knows our first names & her last name. If we were to go before a
court for abusing our child. My husband & I'd be sitting together.
Everyone would know who we were & that we were the parents. We have birth
certificates, marriage licenses to prove who we are, our ages & the ages of
our children. There would be no doubts in anyones minds. We also applied for SS
numbers immediately after they were born.
If any man attempted to take my daughter at 14 yrs of age & marry her it would be his last attempt at anything he did in this lifetime.
If any man attempted to take my daughter at 14 yrs of age & marry her it would be his last attempt at anything he did in this lifetime.
Johnnygreen | 11:26 p.m. April 17, 2008
Cons: Locked gates, Men in guard towers, a bed in the temple, school books with
pages torn out, a man that thinks he is God, no phones, no TV, no radios, no
outside media, throwing young men out (lost boys), a group of people breaking
the laws of the land, young women having children, living a fearful life,
separating mom's from their children, using ware fare monies.
Pros: Mom's complete attention to the children. A belief in God. Self sustaining life somewhat. For moms not using makeup their skin looks great.
I cant think of any more pros. Its sad anyway we look at it.
Pros: Mom's complete attention to the children. A belief in God. Self sustaining life somewhat. For moms not using makeup their skin looks great.
I cant think of any more pros. Its sad anyway we look at it.
Authorities Scared???? | 11:33 p.m. April 17, 2008
What of??? Mothers and Fathers standing around, not resisting but concerned for
their children? Stange how in this country we have cable TV shows with men
living with several woman, directly exploiting them, having children with them,
raising them in unhealthy suroundings but no one raids The Mansion.
If they made a TV show titled 'Women of the YFZ Ranch' I am certain that it wouldnt succeed because it would obviously be based on their religious beliefs and NOT on sexuality!
If they made a TV show titled 'Women of the YFZ Ranch' I am certain that it wouldnt succeed because it would obviously be based on their religious beliefs and NOT on sexuality!
Real | 11:40 p.m. April 17, 2008
Humans living like animals while wearing cloths. The children are never going
back, there parents brought that on, that is abuse in itself. If woman want to
live like dogs, shoot there masters and keeps them from reproducing, the insane
beget insanity. Stop it now or pay twice the price later. In God they trust,
news flash, God doesn't need there trust to take care of this bunch.
Yulia | 12:12 a.m. April 18, 2008
Why is the caseworker scared of men? Perhaps she is a victim of post-traumatic
syndrome. Is she not able to distinguish care and concern? She and the tanks of
her own enforcement was what frightened her. Did she not have faith in her own
governmental system to feel comfortable with her authority?
In addition, not to continue with the search because they are telling each other scary stories of night vision and sniper rifles. Lazy is more like it! Lazy investigation, planning, preparation and more like a guilty conscious knowing what they were doing was manufactured and half-baked! A complete farce. If they wanted to "save" children, they should have gone into the gang neighbor hoods and taken all those children.
Married females are what they are going after, arranged marriages, but married none-the-less. Unless the state is going to enforce only one sexual partner at a time law to the general population, this is absurd.
It should be the right of every human to marry before having sex. It is the right of every female to have children. My friend knew at 14, all she wanted was to be a mother. By 15, she was with child and married.
In addition, not to continue with the search because they are telling each other scary stories of night vision and sniper rifles. Lazy is more like it! Lazy investigation, planning, preparation and more like a guilty conscious knowing what they were doing was manufactured and half-baked! A complete farce. If they wanted to "save" children, they should have gone into the gang neighbor hoods and taken all those children.
Married females are what they are going after, arranged marriages, but married none-the-less. Unless the state is going to enforce only one sexual partner at a time law to the general population, this is absurd.
It should be the right of every human to marry before having sex. It is the right of every female to have children. My friend knew at 14, all she wanted was to be a mother. By 15, she was with child and married.
jussmee | 12:26 a.m. April 18, 2008
there already was evidence, this isn't the first time they have been in
trouble for this mess. one of the flds profits is already in jail for statutory
rape. its a fact that these children are forced into marriages when they are
old enough to carry a child. its the flds way. they don't choose their
husband, one is appointed to them from their profit. wether they want to or
not. if you fight it you are severly punished. why is everyone so worried
about them being seperated from their families? the mothers are there, just not
the fathers. these poor women and children have been brainwashed from birth of
this sick religion, so they don't know right from wrong, but they should
consider it a 'blessing' that there was a phone call, real or not, to
get these poor people out of this mess, and teach them the REAL LAW!!!!
Mom in MO | 4:17 a.m. April 18, 2008
If there was such blatant abuse, why weren't the men arrested? That is
what happened in the early days of the L.D.S. church. Why "arrest"
the children, because that is what they've done by taking them into
custody. Take the men into custody, or is it too hard to get warrents against
them? Easier to take the powerless, huh?
Anonymous | 5:33 a.m. April 18, 2008
You can't arrest the people of Sandy because because of abuse by a few, nor
can you take the children away from them because abuse by the few.
Those that have broke the law should be punished, and the rest let go. Texas has overstepped their bounds just like Utah did with John Singer. Do we still have a constitution and due process of law? Or did they take away our rights with the patriot act?
Irresponsible acts by some members of the FLDS do not justify irresponsible behavior by the government. This, Guantanamo bay, and our interagation methods in Iraq should scare all of us. I know most parts of the world outside the USA are terrified.
Those that have broke the law should be punished, and the rest let go. Texas has overstepped their bounds just like Utah did with John Singer. Do we still have a constitution and due process of law? Or did they take away our rights with the patriot act?
Irresponsible acts by some members of the FLDS do not justify irresponsible behavior by the government. This, Guantanamo bay, and our interagation methods in Iraq should scare all of us. I know most parts of the world outside the USA are terrified.
Nichol Draper | 6:46 a.m. April 18, 2008
Statutory rape is NOT a constitutional right. Conspiracy to commit and cover up
rape is NOT a constitutional right. Child abuse is NOT a constitutional right.
I am embarrassed for all the comments in support of the men and women of the
FLDS church, which seems to be a cover for these gross crimes.
Esther | 7:39 a.m. April 18, 2008
Take the men away. Let the women and children live in peace. Give them money
to run their lives in peace in their homes. Let them taste their powers to make
their own rules.
Remove the men from the complex. They are the abusers, they are the guilty ones. Get a court order to tap their phones since they are under investigation. You could have some social workers or nurses stay with the families to ensure safety. If you are kind and gentle with these families they will respond and open up and talk with you. Remove the threat not the threatened.
Stop punishing the innocent victims and punish the aggressor, punish the abuser, not the abused.
Remove the men from the complex. They are the abusers, they are the guilty ones. Get a court order to tap their phones since they are under investigation. You could have some social workers or nurses stay with the families to ensure safety. If you are kind and gentle with these families they will respond and open up and talk with you. Remove the threat not the threatened.
Stop punishing the innocent victims and punish the aggressor, punish the abuser, not the abused.
In defense of the defenders | 8:01 a.m. April 18, 2008
Some of us are outraged over the removal of all 416 of the children from the
FLDS compound. So far, no one who disagrees with us appears to have figured out
why. Many attempts have been made, but they appear to be rooted in assumptions,
suspicions, and blanket statement philosophy. This doesn�t
help the case that this is not about polygamy or religion, by the way.
Stop and listen for a minute. NO ONE is saying that these people should be allowed to rape or otherwise abuse anyone. Some who are upset with the state of Texas don�t even think the FLDS should be allowed to practice polygamy through the loophole of off- the- books �spiritual marriages�.
What we are upset over is the way one allegation against one man resulted in the kidnapping at gunpoint of every child in the community! That�s wrong, even if all the accusations against these people are correct. It is also part of a pattern of abuse of the American people by these government agencies that come into peoples� homes on flimsy accusations and wield terrible and destructive power with reckless cruelty.
Just punish the guilty, and leave the innocent alone!
Stop and listen for a minute. NO ONE is saying that these people should be allowed to rape or otherwise abuse anyone. Some who are upset with the state of Texas don�t even think the FLDS should be allowed to practice polygamy through the loophole of off- the- books �spiritual marriages�.
What we are upset over is the way one allegation against one man resulted in the kidnapping at gunpoint of every child in the community! That�s wrong, even if all the accusations against these people are correct. It is also part of a pattern of abuse of the American people by these government agencies that come into peoples� homes on flimsy accusations and wield terrible and destructive power with reckless cruelty.
Just punish the guilty, and leave the innocent alone!
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