Comments about ‘Colleges step up safety’

Utah was stupid beyond belief to allow concealed weapons on campus. We had the NRA try that under the radar here in my state, a very conservative hunting is God state. It was totally rejected by our state senate. The people woke up and weighed it and found it stupid beyond any common sense.

The whole movement is NRA backed, packed, and supported. Not by the colleges, not by the students, not by the faculty, not by administrators.

Overwhelmingly, this approval by Utah to allow the guns will lead to a day of hell on earth on one of your campuses.

College Professor, Vietnam Vet

Utah goofed? By allowing people who have passed a background check to carry legal weapons. You may not be familiar with the Trolly Square incident. If it hadn't been for armed citizens that incident would have been much worse than it was. Making laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals has never worked. Ted Nugent hit the nail on the head in his book "God, Guns and Rock & Roll." He said the cops will get to a shooting incident in time to clean up. You have to ask yourself do you want them cleaning up the good guys or the bad guys. Maybe if there had been some legal weapons on campus the incident in the story wouldn't have been as bad either. Not every murder involves a gun, but every murder involves a criminal. Lets control criminals, not guns!

Just goes to show that being a college professor doesn't make you smart. "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."

Im glad "Utah Goofed" is in his own state. A state where if someone decides to take a gun to school to shoot people, they will be the ONLY one there with a gun. How do you feel safer that way? Just goes to show: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Our great founding fathers put in our constitution the 'right to bare arms.' Everything great about this country comes from these great men. I'm sticking to their plan. They knew the issues of self defense way back in the late 1700's. It's not going away. Crime isn't going away. Wake up. And start defending. Stay on the offense. Not defense.

Anyone who bases their gun philosophy on the "wisdom" of Ted Nugent should be automatically disqualified from ever owning a firearm. You frighten me. And to the others who have posted: there is nothing quite so rational and comforting as reducing a complex, serious social and moral issue into a trite NRA-ish slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." In fact, that should replace the current language of the 2nd amendment. It is eloquent, and it really says everything that needs to be said, doesn't it? These kinds of slogans are created by those without the capacity to engage in reasoned argument.

lttff: If you have a right to bare arms, then wear short sleeves! Just don't arm the bears. ;)

Seriously, this debate tires me. Both positions have their merits, and anyone who simply refuses to acknowledge the merits of their opponents' position is not being realistic.

wow, sloganeering wins the day. Let's walk this through slowly class: use your imagination.

You teach 50 students at 8 am, from frosh to senior. Three are having a bad hair day. One was going with a coed but she threw him over for another guy in class. He winks at the loser. One student has just discovered that she slept with a nerd last night and now he is laughing at her. 3 are hung over. 1 is on a psycodelic. 6 are on prescription meds. 4 think they are rambo. And five students do not like the grade they earned on their last paper, and two of them know that they will be expelled from school in 2 weeks. One student is on probation and is failing this course and the others. Who do you think he will blame?

Give em guns, I say. Let em all rip. Watch the carnage. Get ready for the next class at 11.

Those who think guns on campus will prevent something are full of garbage. The police chief of a major town in my state said it clearly: when we arrive we won't know who to shoot if everyone is shooting.

Guns on campus? Why not high school too? Hey, junior high needs protection, give guns to the A students, stunners to the B students, C students only get knives, and students have to have rocks.

Obviously there will be killings on campus. We live in a violent society. Guns on campus? I thought we had police? No?

Sounds like the camel and nose in the tent to me. What's next? Bazookas?

Russ. Your police chief spent more time in upper management than he did on the streets. He should know that most gun 'fights' are over in seconds. The police arrive to bag bodies, collect evidence and find suspects. They won't have to worry about deciding who to shoot or not because it will already be over. THE POLICE ARE NOT BATMAN! THEY WON'T MAGICALLY APPEAR AT THE SECOND THINGS GO DOWN.

And why not guns on campus? College students are adults. Stop treating them all like children. If they pass the requirements that every other adult has to pass, then whats the problem?

We're not arguing that all the kids should carry guns. What we're arguing is that someone with a permit to carry a concealed weapon, someone that has taken the appropriate classes, passed a background check and proven to be a responsible citizen, should have the right to carry their weapon in all public places.
Regardless of his other thought processes, I have to agree that Ted Nugent is right on this point.

Standing citizens. In today's world I feel a lot more safer knowing that I have something to protect myself with if some maniac goes crazy. I hope and pray I will never have to use force but if the 1 in a million situation happens at least I've made myself prepared to protect myself and my family.
I agree that not everybody should carry, only those that know what they are doing with a firearm and are accurate with the weapon and of course are known to be good standing in our community but if that is the case wouldn't you feel safer knowing that if there was a situation there is someone there to fight fire with fire?

Let us do this logically. You have a student, we shall name him Larry. He is sober and passes the background check. He gets a pistol.

His life changes as he goes to college and discovers drugs, alcohol, girls, girls who leave you, boys who call you names, bullies, a professor who just flunks you, a class that is too difficult in your major, minor, etc., your boss lays you off in today's economy, and your student loan is overdue.

Yet you have that pistol to give your manhood a boost. You and 20 more like you are in the sociology 101 class. The fight erupts, pistols are drawn, innocent die, cops come, more innocent die.

Great idea that pistol. The NRA is trying to sneak in under the radar. At my big state university a large percentage of the kids hunt with guns. But, because they live on campus, know how nutty their fellow classmates are, they are overwhelmingly opposed to guns on campus. 11,000 students, and 10 are expected to do some form of protest to have guns. Yup, one in 1000. I gotta give my students credit. They know stupidity when they see it.

Vietnamcombatveteranhere. Utah goofed.

I can see it now. Student in class puts his or her hand on their pistol in the holster and asks the professor what their grade will be.

I bet grades go up in Utah schools. Do the prof's get to pack too? I would personally chose something quick and small, with maybe 20 rounds. And i would wear it where it would accidently show.

What a stupid idea to allow guns on campus.

Doug: Yes, unlike in any other state, even Utah kindergarten teachers can carry a concealed weapon to defend themselves and their students if they have a concealed carry permit. Students cannot carry unless they are 21 years, the required age to get a permit. There won't be a Virginia-Tech or Columbine shooting here in Utah - just like there won't be one at a gun show or police station for the same reason-too many good guys with guns. Gun free zones haven't helped anywhere else, inlcuding post offices. Now it's our turn in Utah to try it our way.

It seems comical to hear that kindergarten teachers can carry a concealed weapon. Is it that bad in Utah? Good grief. Do you have police in Utah? Do you have parents and upbringing?

I would not like to be a professor trying to give honest grades to pistol-packing students. Hmmmmm. Unless I am carrying of course. Do I get to be the designated shooter for a college building? Would there be one?

Keep the guns off the campuses please. Restore sanity.

Alcohol, drug and cars kill more college students in a month than were killed in all the campus shootings in the last decade but we don't hear anybody screaming to eliminate them from college campuses.

Students have been allowed to carry concealed weapons on Utah campuses for years. And there has been no incidents that I can think of. So stop whining and saying there will be mass shootings if students have guns. They DO! And there isn't.

Guns are not the danger here, it's the mentality of the young people. They are not being held accountable for their actions. That's why cheerleaders video tpae their beating of a team mate and post it on you tube. They have been taught by their parents and society that it's not their fault they have a warped sense of morality. I worry about anyone that even considers the idea of shooting someone over a bad grade or lost girlfriend. You neeed counseling.