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Texas: Order affects FLDS women, kids

Published: Monday, April 14 2008 12:00 a.m. MDT

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The problem here is that no one seems to want to focus on the fact that children were being sexually and physically abused at this ranch. I am appalled that the comments here do not reflect that very important point. Someone has to protect these children from their own families and fellow FLDS members.



"People in favor of the authorities are letting allegations of child abuse cloud their judgement. Child abuse has not been proven and is only heresay. The call was bogus and was staged for faked. In America you are innocent until proven guilty. Likewise for texas authorities to take these actions they better back it up with very compelling evidence. However they have none. This is what is called probable cause, it was not sufficiently proven. Thus this raid was unconstitutional."

Child abuse has not been proven? what about the 18 preganant teens under the age of 16?? if thats not child abuse, i dunno what is!

Get the men

I agree... they should have taken the men out of the compound not the women and children. But I suppose that would have caused trouble in seeing that the underaged girls who had been married to these sick men were found out too...
I thought polygamy and bigomy were both against the law! Not to mention sodomy.
Something has to be done to stop these young girls from this nightmare...
I would imagine Texas hasn't done everything just right.. but my goodness.... imagine the scope of this investigation....


If the members of the FLDS were black the ACLU and Jessie Jackson would have been there on the first day.

It makes me wonder if the "anonymous caller" was the author of the book that left the FLDS or someone else that had left that wanted to cause them problems. She would have had knowledge.

The pictures shown don't tell me that these people were locked in a compound, they lived there. I see no problem with that. The FLDS in Utah and Arizona don't live in compounds either - they live in communities.

It amazes me how bitter people that post are - and they know all the answers to all the world's problems. What has happened to knowing all the information and the truth before convicting someone? No wonder people hate Americans - we condemn before knowing the truth.

Catholic priests have abused boys - should all children of a parish be taken into custody until it is determined if any have been abused?

We should be scared to death if this is what has happened in America.

Lawyer at a distance

Actually, I'm a bit struck by the overkill involved here, even assuming the allegations are correct. First, there is no allegation that infants, boys, or pre-pubescent girls are being abused or married off before legal age, but that post-pubescent girls below the legal age of consent are being unscrupulously (and possibly unwillingly) turned into teenage brides and mothers. So far I haven't heard any allegation of danger with regard to anyone else under the (bizarre to me) beliefs of the FLDS, and I have seen nothing to indicate that any other child or teenager is in any danger. So, why round up all of the children, when only a subset is at risk? Second, why hold all of them after they've had a physical exam and questioned them to make sure no one is physically or sexually abused? I'm beginning to suspect a desperate need on the part of the powers that be to fish up something to justify what's happened so far, especially when they have seemingly been unable to locate the original whistle blower.


Kudos to Texas.


To Date: 1 Alleged child rapist, apparently not in the state at time crime alleged. 1 Victim, absent from scene. Hundreds of witnesses to alleged crime, but no identification of victim after week of interrogations, no ID on perpetrator. 416 children removed based upon alleged culture of religion, but no specific acts of neglect against specific children (that can be found). State seeks Court to rule without case by case hearing to determine if particular parent is unfit, proving the state's own view that their own Citizens have NO individual rights or freedoms.
The presiding Judge took an oath to defend the Texas and U.S. Constitutions, and such an oath requires defense even though while defending those rights serious injury to others can occur. We all hear of the criminal free on bond who commits some new violent crime. Simple solution, just ignore the constitutional presumption of innocence. Jail from arrest until acquittal, and final appeal. Makes sense, doesn't it. And its working in Texas right now.


I personally am in favor of taking away EVERBODY'S cell phone. Maybe then, we could have a little more civility in public places and people would pay more attention to their driving.


It is sad to me the people who are so quick to "defend" this compound. I happen to live in Texas and I am hearing my fair share of news about the situation. We are not as backwards as you people make us out to be. In fact, from what I have read above I would say we are more progressive than you because we will actually stand up for our children and pull them out of a situation in which they are absolutely helpless in. You are right when you say that the mothers could have called on their cell phones. However, you have to remember they are the other parent who has also turned a blind eye to the abuse for years upon years...and even encountered it upon herself. Therefore, why would we expect any different from her? Wake up people! I agree in the fact that if the church and the Deseret news has nothing to do with this then why are they continually covering this awful story. Give these children some peace and if Texas truly did do something wrong we will all find out soon enough.


>>What's next? It only gets worse from here...but look at the bright side...at least they did not have tanks driven into their homes nor were they burned to death.<< - Greg

Don't give them any ideas.


They should do DNA tests on those people: they are probably all related. The whole thing is creepy, and I feel so sorry for the children.


>>Multiply that by 416 + 137, you've got yourself a rather large bill, Texas.<< Miser

You got that right, Miser. Punitive damages for violating constitutional and human rights could be in the millions, or billions. Texas is screwing up royally.


They didn't keep the kids in the compound due to the fact it took 3 days to track all the kids down that were being hidden by the women, and men! At least thery are now all in plain view and not being hidden in temples, or tunnels!


**This isn't about religion, this is about having sex with children, it is illegal.** Dave

It's now about incarcerating 400 plus innocent children and their moms and cutting off their first amendment rights.


"Let me get this straight. They can't identify the accuser or the perp. Based on that non-information, from a non-accuser, Texas storms the compound,
and relocates all the women and children, separating the families and not allowing some women to have any contact with their own children. They then smash through the prayer circle to crash their sacred site and tantalize us with suggestions of ritual sex. Then, to make sure there's no contact with the outside (for their own protection, of course), they confiscate all the phones of the non-accused. Meantime, the unidentified dirty old men disappear into the Texas badlands or back to polygamy-friendly Utah and Arizona. This gets worse every day. I'm waiting for the report that it may have been a prank call and Texas has no case -- and has to pay millions in reparations." - Artirome

You ain't seen nothing yet. Boggs, governor of the state of Missouri ordered the Mormons exterminated.


It never ceases to amaze me how BIASED this paper really and truely is. I have posted several valid posts in support of Texas, and only 3 out of the 20 for the last five days have been posted. Geeeee I wonder which way this paper is swinging!

Lawyer is spot on

What you are seeing is damage control by an agency that has grossly overstepped its bounds and whose employees are beginning to realize they screwed up, big time.

The Texas authorities were hoping that lurid accusations of sexual abuse -- combined with the public's natural antipathy towards polygamists and religious fanatics -- would distract the media and the public long enough for them to justify their case.

Now they're stuck with a massive PR fiasco-in-the-making and starting to panic.

I predict this will not end well. Not quite as bad as the last time Texas tried to intimidate a weird religious cult (Waco), but they'll still end up with a black eye.


I live near San Angelo and am very aware of the living arrangements at Fort Concho. They are clean, neat and spacious barracks. The women and children that are housed there are being treated with respect. They are receiving free medical care. They are being provided free food. The whole problem is that these very women are just as guilty as the men in this cult. They evidently believe that it is ok to take advantage of this underage children as they have been raised to believe this. So these women are making up any stories that they can to get the children and them carried back to their abusers.

Doug S

Technically, Doug, it's their fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment rights. But who's counting?

What's next

I've been through it; I can give you a few hints.

For each child, there will be a hearing in juvenile court. State appointed "attorney" for the child; none for the parents because "it's not about them". (It still curdles my blood...)

The court commissioner or judge will explain to the parents, "This child needs to be protected. I have adoption papers here, ready to sign, which will mean you will never see your child again. I am ready to do so if you will not cooperate. Now tell me - did you abuse this child? Remember, only answering 'yes' will indicate your willingness to cooperate."

Think about it. How would you answer?

And remember this when we start hearing the news about how many confessions there have been...

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