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FLDS women: Mothers plead to see children
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Allen | 1:28 a.m. April 11, 2008
Thank you mothers! There are millions of us who would fight with and for you!
Thank you Deseret News for this excellent report!
chemist | 2:07 a.m. April 11, 2008
Let us also have some sympathy for the families that Warren Jeffs has separated
and reassigned. Some of those people have not been able to see or have contact
with children or former spouses for years, not days. If the saying "by your
fruits ye shall know them is true" it is obvious that Warren Jeffs and the
FLDS leaders are truly evil.
A MOM | 2:13 a.m. April 11, 2008
As a mother of 4, I understand the dedication of these women to protect their
children. I love the passion and conviction with which these mothers are trying
to fight to be with and to take care of their children. But, I also believe
that these horrible things have been and will probably will continue to happen
in the FLDS Church. Where was the same determination to protect these children
from the beasts they call husbands and fathers and Church leaders?
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Y Chromosome | 5:08 a.m. April 11, 2008
There is no doubt that what the TX authorities found at the ranch justified
taking the pregnant teen girls into protective custody. After all, they clearly
were victimized by unlawful sexual contact with minors. However, what should
concern everyone looking at this story is the scope of government action,
particularly the scope of the judicial orders to take all 416 children into
protective custody. A typical judicial order is limited only to probable cause
relating to specific crimes, in this case locating the alleged 16 yr old
anonymous complainant. The complainant alleged she had been abused by her 50 yr
old husband and named him (although he was reportedly not in TX when she claimed
the abuse took place). Thus, the judicial order should have permitted taking
into custody all pregnant 16 yr old girls if the state's interest was
really to rescue the anonymous complainant. None of the affidavits supporting
the search warrants indicate that children younger than their teens were abused
or sexually assaulted, so why did the judicial order allow seizure of ALL
children regardless of age? Babies? Toddlers? They were clearly not the
anonymous complainant needing rescue. The state wanted the group broken all
along.
KingM | 5:29 a.m. April 11, 2008
I'm not going to defend this nasty little cult, but how is this remotely
legal? They've raided this place based on a single phone call from someone
who has not been found and as a result hundreds of people were rounded up,
children sent off to foster care, etc. This is America, you simply can't do
that.
Karen | 6:25 a.m. April 11, 2008
It is always the children that are the innocent victims of the crimes / sins
we, as adults commit.
My heart cries for them....
My heart cries for them....
massgirl | 6:29 a.m. April 11, 2008
Have you lost your mind? These mothers sacrifice their children for their
church! Carolyn Jessup would have never got her book published if it was pure
conjecture or straight out lies! These mothers will surely follow wherever
their children are taken, but thank god they were taken!
Anonymous | 6:37 a.m. April 11, 2008
It is not like the government raided their homes, stole all their children
ripping apart families and smashing open their most sacred building that could
have possibly raised their anxiety?
Stephen | 6:44 a.m. April 11, 2008
I feel for these frightened children, Imagine their terror. I imagine they are
going through the same emotions that anyone who has been kidnapped goes through.
However, "caring" these government employees may appear, these
children do not understand where their mother is, nor do they understand what is
happening, Mom should be close enough to these children, to deminish their
fears. Talk about terrorism!! Only the government can get away with these
tactic, and NO ONE is immune from their whims.
Tai H. | 6:52 a.m. April 11, 2008
This nation has the most pathetic law enforcement in the world. It's
horrible what the Texas governemnt and law officials have done to these innocent
families.
DeLaval Milker | 7:02 a.m. April 11, 2008
Go texas.
The longer this nonsense is allowed to go on, obviously the harder it is to deal with when it finally must be done. We need to learn in Utah.
The longer this nonsense is allowed to go on, obviously the harder it is to deal with when it finally must be done. We need to learn in Utah.
Dadams | 7:04 a.m. April 11, 2008
When one religion is under attack, all religions are under attack
Change needs to Happen | 7:13 a.m. April 11, 2008
Genoside or cultural changes needs to happen here. Not only do they abuse their
daughters, they abuse their sons by kicking out young teenagers, they don't
do this with the girls, no doubt the purpose is to skew the sex ratio to make
room for pologamy.
Imagine you are 13 years old and then kicked out to fend for yourself.
Not only that, this religion believes it has the right to re-assign a family and wives to another man. The church owns the house the family lives in. At any time the "prophet" can tell a man he must leave the house he and his family lives in, and re-assign the family to another man. The woman is brainwashed enough that she goes along with this, fearing if she doesn't that she will burn in hell forever.
This religion truely needs to be changed or to dissapear. If taking all these children breaks the back of the religion, then good, it needs to go.
If history is any guide to the future, Texas will in time put these familys back together, as Utah did in the past, with the promice they will change, but they will not.
Imagine you are 13 years old and then kicked out to fend for yourself.
Not only that, this religion believes it has the right to re-assign a family and wives to another man. The church owns the house the family lives in. At any time the "prophet" can tell a man he must leave the house he and his family lives in, and re-assign the family to another man. The woman is brainwashed enough that she goes along with this, fearing if she doesn't that she will burn in hell forever.
This religion truely needs to be changed or to dissapear. If taking all these children breaks the back of the religion, then good, it needs to go.
If history is any guide to the future, Texas will in time put these familys back together, as Utah did in the past, with the promice they will change, but they will not.
massgirl | 7:20 a.m. April 11, 2008
These moms are concerned with their children who are under 12. They say nothing
about the teenaged girls and boys they have already sacrificed!!
Bob | 7:23 a.m. April 11, 2008
The Texas officals were quoted as saying it was hard to identify who is the
Mother. Ask the children. Any child old enough to talk can identify his or her
mother is asked.
Blaine | 7:29 a.m. April 11, 2008
"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a
Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not
a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one
left to speak out for me." -- Pastor Martin Niem�ller
Onlooker | 7:35 a.m. April 11, 2008
The mothers should be able to have contact with their children and the children
should be able to contact their mothers. I support the mothers in this
particular regard.
masked_data | 7:49 a.m. April 11, 2008
Wow! Three mothers got permission from their rapist husbands to speak.
Anonymous | 7:51 a.m. April 11, 2008
As might be expected in any small closed society, it is common for many close
relatives to marry. This sect suffers from Fularase Deficiency.
Fumarase Deficiency is an enzyme irregularity that causes severe mental retardation, epileptic seizures and other cruel effects that leave children nearly helpless and unable to take care of themselves.
This community needs to be disbanded for several reasons, not the least of which is Fumarase Deficienty.
This deficiency can if these people were to be disbanded be introduced to the population at large. The longer we wait the larger the problem will be.
What these people are doing is unacceptable, they need to be stopped.
Fumarase Deficiency is an enzyme irregularity that causes severe mental retardation, epileptic seizures and other cruel effects that leave children nearly helpless and unable to take care of themselves.
This community needs to be disbanded for several reasons, not the least of which is Fumarase Deficienty.
This deficiency can if these people were to be disbanded be introduced to the population at large. The longer we wait the larger the problem will be.
What these people are doing is unacceptable, they need to be stopped.
GT | 7:52 a.m. April 11, 2008
How hard would it be to check the phone records and find the phone that made the
call to CPS?? Come on Texas do a better job of detective work and let that
information known. Did this all happen because books on Escape needed to be
sold? Stepout of the religious box and start asking questions people. This whole
thing reads like an entertainment tonight story. But it's not. So
don't act like it is.
Outrageous indeed | 8:05 a.m. April 11, 2008
"It's outrageous this is happening in America."
I think that it's equally "outrageous" that this illegal lifestyle has been tolerated for so long. I'm sure that I don't understand the complexities of the situtation but it's certainly ironic to have a mother breaking the law cry about the loss of liberty in America. Freedom of religion does not include polygamy and underage sex, does it?
Law enforcement was doing their job.
I think that it's equally "outrageous" that this illegal lifestyle has been tolerated for so long. I'm sure that I don't understand the complexities of the situtation but it's certainly ironic to have a mother breaking the law cry about the loss of liberty in America. Freedom of religion does not include polygamy and underage sex, does it?
Law enforcement was doing their job.
Marissa | 8:01 a.m. April 11, 2008
These people have been brainwashed for centuries and frightened into submission.
They have to separate these mothers from their children, so the children can
feel safe enough to share their stories. I guarantee most of the mothers would
warn their daughter of ill fate should they divulge the secrets of this cult. I
work with foster children and know how long it can take for a child to feel safe
enough and protected enough to tell their stories of abuse. Maybe this was not
done in a 100% completely legal way, but something had to be done to protect the
children. There are many former FLDS memebers that have escaped and they all
tell the same stories. We, as a nation sworn to protect children, could not sit
idly by and hope this would resolve itself. If one child is saved from this,
then it is all worth it.
massgirl | 8:08 a.m. April 11, 2008
Bob--the kids are not saying--they are indentifing multiple mothers.
Blaine--How many more kids should be sacrificed before something is done? Might
I add that WELFARE is paying their way. It is OUR tax dollars paying for this
sickness!!
Aranyborju | 8:10 a.m. April 11, 2008
For all of you that are saying that what Texas did is illegal, let me explain.
In Texas it is illegal for people under the age of 16 to marry, EVEN WITH
parental consent, and someone has sex with a minor, they are guilty of statutory
rape. These women who allowed their children to be "married," and
didn't contact the police are accomplices to rape under Texas law. That is
why they can't see their children right now.
It is amazing to me how many people are willing to defend these child molesters and spouse abusers. Utah and Arizona should be ashamed for allowing this to happen within their borders, and thank goodnes that Texas has the good sense to do what is right and protect these brainwashed children from their culture of evil.
It is amazing to me how many people are willing to defend these child molesters and spouse abusers. Utah and Arizona should be ashamed for allowing this to happen within their borders, and thank goodnes that Texas has the good sense to do what is right and protect these brainwashed children from their culture of evil.
pat | 8:15 a.m. April 11, 2008
Chaos is what happens when LAWS are ignored by states. (Like immigration is
NOW....and Polygamy has been)......Either eliminate the law or enforce it! No?
Chaos!
The simple solution here would`ve been for marriage and children to more than 1 woman would`ve been enforced if it is the law! Everywhere! THEN the state would`ve been dealing with mostly adults and older children.... (girls). It would`ve been "intrusive", but not as intrusive as this result is! The "battle" with this screwed-up CULT should`ve taken place BEFORE most of these children were conceived!
These women & children are inncoent and brainwashed, trying to avoid eternal hell. The men are sorry examples of ignorance and idiocy!
Way to go, Utah, Texas & polygamist strongholds everywhere!
The simple solution here would`ve been for marriage and children to more than 1 woman would`ve been enforced if it is the law! Everywhere! THEN the state would`ve been dealing with mostly adults and older children.... (girls). It would`ve been "intrusive", but not as intrusive as this result is! The "battle" with this screwed-up CULT should`ve taken place BEFORE most of these children were conceived!
These women & children are inncoent and brainwashed, trying to avoid eternal hell. The men are sorry examples of ignorance and idiocy!
Way to go, Utah, Texas & polygamist strongholds everywhere!
massgirl | 8:18 a.m. April 11, 2008
How many of us can 'chose' a limited education for our children. That
they have no access to a library and are censored on their education speaks
volumes.
Anonymous | 8:21 a.m. April 11, 2008
I thought we still lived in America where we could worship as we pleased. No
one is asking us to believe in what the FLDS people believe in. They are not
asking us to live with them. As you and I are allowed to worship as we please,
then they too should be granted the same privilege. We may not like it, but we
do not have to live it. I think if the government can raid one religion then
given the opportunity or the inclination they would be able to raid another.
How would you feel if it were you?
RE; Blaine | 8:30 a.m. April 11, 2008
Absolutely PERFECT quote. The actions of the Texas authorities should send
chills down the spines of every American citizen. I simply cannot fathom that
so many families (regardless of their definition of "family", they are
still families) were torn apart on the basis of an anonymous phone call. Just
wait until one of your church members calls the authorities and says that some
kind of sexual abuse is taking place in your church, temple, etc. and the police
raid your homes and take your children, simply because you are also a member of
that parish/ward. This is akin to ONE child making sexual abuse claims against
ONE teacher, and the authorities taking the children away from EVERY teacher at
that school until they find out who did it; patently absurd. And you can bet
that the state of Texas will be paying HUGE (and I mean H U G E) settlements and
reparations to these families which will only be funneled to the FLDS
leadership. Way to go, Texas...
Texas | 8:32 a.m. April 11, 2008
Won't let them, because of the religionissue. They don't
'understand' this at all. I heard complaining that many of the kids
can't read or write. If the kid is over 7, that's a legit complaint.
But a majority of the kids are under that age.
I do not agree with FLDS at all. But what is being done in the way of sensivity, to help the kids transation from a closed world, to an open one? Sounds like a lot of complaints and false compassion on the side of Texans, if you ask me. Hopefully, not one of these kids will end up this sunday in a baptist church to be gawked at.
I do not agree with FLDS at all. But what is being done in the way of sensivity, to help the kids transation from a closed world, to an open one? Sounds like a lot of complaints and false compassion on the side of Texans, if you ask me. Hopefully, not one of these kids will end up this sunday in a baptist church to be gawked at.
Fred | 8:40 a.m. April 11, 2008
I've posted several comments over the past few days critical of the actions
taken by Texas authorities against the FLDS community.
My comments were clear and contained nothing offensive, except that they were in sympathy with the FLDS people.
Deseret News has refused to print any of them and it won't surprise me if the cowards refuse to print this one.
I'm not in sympathy because they're polygamists or because of their beliefs, but because what's happening here could happen to another unwanted people.
Take note of the changing reasons for the raid.
This happened to our community in the 1800s and I don't want to see it happen again.
My comments were clear and contained nothing offensive, except that they were in sympathy with the FLDS people.
Deseret News has refused to print any of them and it won't surprise me if the cowards refuse to print this one.
I'm not in sympathy because they're polygamists or because of their beliefs, but because what's happening here could happen to another unwanted people.
Take note of the changing reasons for the raid.
This happened to our community in the 1800s and I don't want to see it happen again.
You all are crazy | 8:40 a.m. April 11, 2008
It is scary to see the freaked out, frightened people who write terrible things
about other people based on rumor. Yes, that is what you all are basing your
thoughts and words on right now. Rumor has it that a young girl called and is
being abused. Rumor has it from a vicious source that ALL women, All young
girls, All babies are being sexually abused. Bologna! Yes and I know....All
Catholic priests abuse young boys....Nonsense! And Mormons practice polygamy!
Hog Wash! Baptists can't wear jewelery or makeup! Whatever...Don't
believe what you hear...Don't fall prey to gossiping mouths. If you
haven't lived their lives, in their shoes, you don't know really what
is going on in their world. These people are just like you and me. They live
lives that are probably just going to work to earn money, cleaning house, doing
their laundry, wearing clothes, doing their hair, eating their food. They just
don't do drugs, fool around with every person that walks by, watch the junk
TV or see the psycho movies being produced...they are more normal, with a few
exceptions, than most of Hollywood. What are people following in our world???
Satan?
massgirl | 8:37 a.m. April 11, 2008
well by your account--live and let live---then why do they have no problem with
the government when they ask to live for FREE? If you want to talk the
talk-then walk the walk. Ask for no FREE benefits. WE all pay for health
insurance, food and living expenses. If I want to recieve a welfare check then
I'd better be able to pay the consequences like obey the law.
Tom | 8:41 a.m. April 11, 2008
Wait a minute. I thought you guys reported before that the mothers and children
were all together?
You showed us pictures of them playing, having a great time in their concentration camp. The sun was shining. Birds were singing.
Then you told us about multiple beds in their temple, only to find out there was only one (from another source)?
There's no question about where the paper's editors stand on this issue, but for crying out loud, get your facts straight!
You showed us pictures of them playing, having a great time in their concentration camp. The sun was shining. Birds were singing.
Then you told us about multiple beds in their temple, only to find out there was only one (from another source)?
There's no question about where the paper's editors stand on this issue, but for crying out loud, get your facts straight!
michael of texas LDS | 8:48 a.m. April 11, 2008
Back in the 1880's familys were ripped apart by the US government because
of a practice that was guarennteed by the us constitution and men were jailed
what the FLDS men did is very wrong but the mother should never have been
seperated from the children ever
chemist | 8:49 a.m. April 11, 2008
To anonymous: The issue is not their religion. It is violation of laws dealing
with underage "marriage", welfare fraud, etc. You often defend the
FLDS. Does this include defending the "marriage of 14 and 15 year old girls
to men in their 40s and 50s?
Re: Anonymous 8:21 | 8:45 a.m. April 11, 2008
Have you lost your mind? Religious freedom does not offer protection from
prosecution for criminal activity. Would you still think the FLDS could worship
as they pleased if their religion included human sacrifice? Get off the
constitutional high-horse. The constitution is only our legal framework
designed to protect individual rights-- We must ALL honor and obey the laws of
this land.
massgirl | 8:46 a.m. April 11, 2008
any one else in this country has to look for a job or go to school to collect
welfare. Why not them? Furthermore, the kids spoken of are young because once
you hit 13, or 14 you are considered an adult by their standards!!
Eowyn77 | 8:59 a.m. April 11, 2008
I don't like the polygamists, but the bigotry of the law and the media is
nauseating.
Here's a thought exercise: A gay-rights group buys a ranch in TX as a community where families with same-sex parents can live in peace. In direct response to this, Texas tightens their laws against homosexuality. (Prior to the FLDS moving to TX, fourteen-year-old kids could be married. So much for Texas' moral authority as protectors of children!) A couple of years later, an anonymous phone call triggers an armed raid in which homes are ransacked and children are whisked away from their parents because they're being indoctrinated in an illegal lifestyle.
I wonder how long America would tolerate that?
Here's a thought exercise: A gay-rights group buys a ranch in TX as a community where families with same-sex parents can live in peace. In direct response to this, Texas tightens their laws against homosexuality. (Prior to the FLDS moving to TX, fourteen-year-old kids could be married. So much for Texas' moral authority as protectors of children!) A couple of years later, an anonymous phone call triggers an armed raid in which homes are ransacked and children are whisked away from their parents because they're being indoctrinated in an illegal lifestyle.
I wonder how long America would tolerate that?
Ullmann | 9:02 a.m. April 11, 2008
As these children are key witnesses, law enforcement cannot allow them to be
tampered with by their parents. Witness tampering is a huge issue for the DA.
It is unfortunate that these mothers and children are suffering as they are from being separated. Within reason and prudence (and jurisprudence), I'm sure everyone is doing the best they can.
The bottom line is that when the wicked rule, the people mourn and suffer. This suffering must be placed directly at the feet of Warren Jeffs.
It is unfortunate that these mothers and children are suffering as they are from being separated. Within reason and prudence (and jurisprudence), I'm sure everyone is doing the best they can.
The bottom line is that when the wicked rule, the people mourn and suffer. This suffering must be placed directly at the feet of Warren Jeffs.
JM | 9:01 a.m. April 11, 2008
Any group in America that does not allow free access to come and go as one
pleases raises a red flag. Any group that does not support the laws of the
land, that hides behind religion in order to take away freedom of marital choice
from anyone is wrong. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out
that a religion that hides what it is doing from law enforcement is doing
something wrong. Any woman denied the right to take her children and come and
go as she pleases or who is subject to the will of a dictatorial husband who
will not allow her the access of the court system is wrong. The financial
records of any organization in America should be subject to IRS audits and
verification that they are a non-profit organization. Any organization that does
not believe in obeying, honoring and sustaining the laws of the land should be
investigated. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from laws that regulate
our society which are passed by our legislatures.
RE: Blaine, Perception Skew | 9:00 a.m. April 11, 2008
All anyone believing that these mothers are justified in asking for their
children back should listen to sermons by Warren Jeffs preaching hate and a
lifestyle comparable to southern slave owners in the 1700's...they expose
their children to this everyday, and I wonder what statistics would come out
about how many children in custody will eventually be driven out on their own at
13 or married and raped at 12. Those mothers should all be sent through
evaluation before being allowed to even see their children again...when
authorities take away children from abusive homes we all applaud authorities.
Are these not abusive homes? The mothers allowing this destruction are as
guilty as their pedophile husbands. Leave religion out of this...this is
destruction and illeagal activity and this sect and its leaders should be
condemned and banned from the United States. The leaders have already been
convicted in a court of law for raping a 14 year old girl...now imagine
that...at 14...and sit here and defend "rights?" Use logic and
don't allow your perception to be skewed.
a popular quote for today | 9:07 a.m. April 11, 2008
To quote the law-of-the-land anti-illegal immigrant conservatives: "What is
it about the law that you don't understand?"
James | 9:03 a.m. April 11, 2008
The similarities between the current FLDS situation and 1830s Mormonism are
uncanny. Same story, different era. Strange religious beliefs and practices,
scared local authorities, bad attempts to stifle the church with putting people
in jail, etc. In both cases, the treatment is brought on themselves--and to
what conclusion?
dru | 9:07 a.m. April 11, 2008
MASSGIRL is quite wrong when she says,
"Might I add that WELFARE is paying their way. It is OUR tax dollars paying for this sickness!!" The quotes thus far in the press relate to the "authorities" searching for familial records. If these families were on welfare the government would already have all the data about them. The truth related to the costs are quite opposite: As wards of the state, 419 children at a cost of, say, a minimum of 15-20 thousand dollars per year per child for health, education, foster parenting and the overall bureaucracy, for a low average of ten years each will end up costing the State of Texas between 62 million and 83 million. Again, this is a very low average. Many states' foster systems include free healthcare and higher education for children up until they are around 25 years old, so this estimate could easily double or triple or more.
"Might I add that WELFARE is paying their way. It is OUR tax dollars paying for this sickness!!" The quotes thus far in the press relate to the "authorities" searching for familial records. If these families were on welfare the government would already have all the data about them. The truth related to the costs are quite opposite: As wards of the state, 419 children at a cost of, say, a minimum of 15-20 thousand dollars per year per child for health, education, foster parenting and the overall bureaucracy, for a low average of ten years each will end up costing the State of Texas between 62 million and 83 million. Again, this is a very low average. Many states' foster systems include free healthcare and higher education for children up until they are around 25 years old, so this estimate could easily double or triple or more.
Surprised | 9:22 a.m. April 11, 2008
I am surprised at the amount of support the FLDS receives on the DesNews boards. The Trib boards are not nearly as sympathetic. Whatever you may think of the FLDS and their practice of polygamy, the welfare of the kids come first. If the FLDS leadership had not seen fit to encourage sexual relations with minors under the guise of religious freedom, none of this would have ever happened. Can�t they follow Joseph Smith�s 12th Article of Faith, obey the law, and wait to marry girls off when they turn 18; or does God require teenagers to become mothers when they hit puberty?
LDS Concerned | 9:16 a.m. April 11, 2008
And the LDS Church is silent - where is Priesthood defending fundamental
"God-given" Constitution principles these days? where is human
compassion so easily lavished on illegal immigrants and hurricane victims?
where is standing with other religions in outrage over the "gestapo"
tactics of the law and bureaucracy in Texas? where is concern for human rights
of children and mothers - over 400 children? where are "Conference"
speakers on motherhood, families, etc.? Silence! Afraid of association with
pologamy??
Mink | 9:24 a.m. April 11, 2008
Marissa - if all the children of any group can be taken because you have
evidence that some have been abused by some parents, then none of our children
are safe from the authorities. There are abusers in every group. Yes - there
is clear evidence of a pattern of sickening abuse by the FLDS leadership - so
bust them up if you have proof. But why haul off 416 children, many of which by
their own admission the Texas authorities can't tie to specific parents?
Based on their ages and their children's ages, these three mothers started having children in their 20s, not in their early teens. Does the state have evidence that their children were in danger? Texas should definitely have acted, but they have grossly overstepped. Remember, this is the state that gave us the Waco debacle.
Based on their ages and their children's ages, these three mothers started having children in their 20s, not in their early teens. Does the state have evidence that their children were in danger? Texas should definitely have acted, but they have grossly overstepped. Remember, this is the state that gave us the Waco debacle.
Anonymous | 9:24 a.m. April 11, 2008
Maybe the mothers should have protected their children to begin with from their
predator husbands? Then, they'd be allowed to see them.
Relocated Southerner | 9:32 a.m. April 11, 2008
I agree with much of what has been written here. They need to be sure they are
taking care of the young, underage girls who are being forced to marry and bear
children for these old men. But taking all of these children from their mothers
and not letting them see each other is way too traumatic. It could have been
done a different way. And, by the way, since the "caller" has never
been found, how do we really know the call came from INSIDE the compound and not
from some local person who hated these people and just wanted to cause trouble?
Stranger things have happened. I don't agree with their lifestyle at all,
but punishing the small children and taking them away from their mothers is not
right either. There has to be a better way of handling this.
Re: Fred | 9:28 a.m. April 11, 2008
If you want to be a sympathizer, you have to have true sympathy.
If you want to bleat that these women were being mistreated by having their children taken, you can't ignore the abuse. Abuse is rampant in this community. How can you ignore it?
Here's a question for you sympathizers. If Des. News published an article titled: "Shocking Telephone Call: Abuse Found Rampant In FLDS Compound", and the article discussed all the abuse in that compound, all the "sympathizers" would be bleating to have these poor ladies removed.
Now that they've been removed . . .
Show some sense, people.
If you want to bleat that these women were being mistreated by having their children taken, you can't ignore the abuse. Abuse is rampant in this community. How can you ignore it?
Here's a question for you sympathizers. If Des. News published an article titled: "Shocking Telephone Call: Abuse Found Rampant In FLDS Compound", and the article discussed all the abuse in that compound, all the "sympathizers" would be bleating to have these poor ladies removed.
Now that they've been removed . . .
Show some sense, people.
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- The spirit of the fast in nursery 12:07 a.m.
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- Cougars use depth to beat ASU
- Max Hall wants to look ahead
- Panel passes BCS playoff bill
- Non-BCS schools not given fair shot
- Psychologist: Mitchell schizophrenic
- Palin signs books, chats with fans
- Crash landing next to I-15
- Snow brings big chill
- Jazz go up against 'the best'
- Letters: Global warming a lie
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- BYU football: Bronco weighs in on Hall184
- Cougars going back to Vegas150
- Utah/BYU rivalry can be more civil147
- Andersen apologizes for Jordan hoax138
- George lost in rivalry hatefest121
- Max Hall wants to look ahead119
- Revive full food tax?100
- Yet again, we learn BCS is a big joke94
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