Comments about ‘Men: Faithful surrounded temple but didn't fight raid’

Isn't interesting that the government will not enter a Mosque in a war torn area, where THEY KNOW, not just suspect, murderes are hiding out but here in America where we have civil rights they don't mind enetring a "Sacred" place of worship, at the drop of a hat, or SUSPECTED law breaking is taking place It's a fine line, but one that has been crossed, Watch out all you other religions, except those whom the government might think you will be offended, because of special privledges, and out of fear of reprisal. Just so you'll know I'm not of this faith, nor do I agree with it.

I wonder how many other religions have the local state, or federal government placed informants. I would imagine it would be frightening to know.

From all reports, the police were justified in their actions. There certainly is a double standard out there when it comes to respecting religions. However, I disagree with the whole concept of sanctuary, whether for Muslims or FLDS members. Civil authorities have the responsibility to act if sexual abuse may be occuring. Also, this story reports that the civil authorities met with the FLDS Bishop and his lawyers to discuss the upcoming raid.

It isn't suspected if you have an actual complaint, it's alleged.

The inability to find the girl does not disqualify the fact that they received the complaint, not for a second. It's always been suspected - with the call they had a request to move in. If someone called from a mosque saying they KNEW something was happening I'm sure there would be some way of entering or verifying.

If your definition of "sacred" includes places where 14, 15 & 16yos are coerced into having sex with slimey middle aged men by being eternally "sealed" to them then you don't have a clue about what places should be protected and what places should be scoured for the evidence that will put the people who sanction that away FOREVER.

Oh Stephen, it wasn't at "a drop of a hat".

Texas will do what needs to be done to protect children from being raped and abused. Good for them.

The reason that they didn't fight back is becaus the leaders (not the lay membership because they are kept ignorant of the outside world) saw what happend in Waco, and knew what would happen.

BOOM, one more sick, rapist, murderous cult wiped out.

Texas-2 Cults-0

This is what always happens when good ol' boys in patriarchal systems find they can get away with anything.

Ya know...this raid is going to have the negative effect of confirming and solidifying the paranoid delusion of all fringe or militia groups that the government is actually going to invade their homes and take take their families away so they'd better have the arsenal ready to fight the government off. Come one all you second amendment supporters...time to give everyone an "I told you so".

Warren Jeffs and the FLDS certainly have a lot to answer for. However, are they as demonic as disgruntled former members make them out to be? It's hard to say. Things are probably more complicated than the demonizers make out. Let's let the authorities investigate, indict, and prosecute individuals who have broken the law by becoming sexually involved with underage girls. I would also be open to prosecuting people for polygamy, on this condition: the state prosecute ALL people guilty of sexual lawlessness (adulterors, sodomites, fornicators, etc.). Let's stop preaching "anything goes" and then acting shocked that some people practice polygamy.

Sooo... The Texas Sheriff has had an inside informant investigating and giving him "Good information" for the past 4 years???

How long has the compound been there?

I thought it was 3 years. Sounds like the FLDS families were living under suspicion from the local Sheriff pretty much from the day they arrived.

So, after 4 years of getting "Good information" from the inside they find NOTHING to act on, but DFS gets ONE phone call and it's time to bring in the troups, break down the doors of the Temple and take away all their children?

Are you telling me after 4 years of "Good information" they didn't get ANYTHING they could act on? But this one call (with no information that has yet to be corroborated) was justification for tanks, guns and remove every child?

Sounds like some of the "Good information" they got from the inside informant was that underage women were having sex in the Temple. I find that hard to believe. Obviously many of us don't and the Sherrif didn't, but it's interesting that they didn't find ANYONE in the temple. Did they really expect to find an Orgy when they broke the doors down?

"Drop of a hat": No, indeed. It was an anonymous call from someone who local law enforcement have now admitted might not have even been at the Texas compound (and, some have pointed out, used language that FLDS don't typically use).

Feel better?

Didn't some of the "Good Information" they got indicate that the FLDS would resist to the death if the police went in?

Obviusly that wasn't true. Did they learn anything from Utah authorities and their overreaction when Jeffs was arrested (they claimed armed gangs of FLDS followers were going to try to break him out). Did anyone even see as much as a protester at the Jeffs trial? Much less an armed mob trying to overpower state officials and get him out like they expected?

Someone in this forum even said, "The reason they had to go in with armored personel carriers for the raid was that police were greated with "Automatic Gunfire" when they tried to serve the warrent. That's now known to be total BS, there was no armed resistence.

All those who believe whatever gosip they hear from their neighbor, commenters in this forum or Matt Lower need to open their minds and their hearts.

Most of the rumors and legends you hear about the FLDS are at most half true.

Protecting children is appropriate, but spreading unsubstantiated rumors about orgies in the temple with little girls (until there is some proof) and other rumors, isn't right.

Sooo... Who did they murder?

I like to try to find out where these rumors get started.

It sounds to me like they have been planning for this moment for several years. Just waiting for the chance to go in and break the community up.

They know they can not fight tanks and Combat equiptment
What did you expect them to do?
Judges can Violate your Constitutional Rights and they won't arrest him!
?????? Rights guarenteed by the Constitution

Relax - let the legal system work this out. No one here can even pretend to know or understand the details. What we do know is there was sufficient probable cause for a judge to execute search warrants. No need for elevated blood pressure until we know more.

The FLDS men were sobbing because their little harem was being shut down. It's not a religion. It's a racket.

Our laws do not tolerate child abuse, but it's just as important that when it occurs, authorities investigate it and stop it in lawful ways. In this case, police have rounded up more than four hundred children, separating them from their parents, and taken them to who knows where, all for the sake of protecting one supposed anonymous victim. I am surprised that there is little public outrage. If the police did the same in a private school, or in a convent, or at a workplace, most thoughtful people would call it improper.

When is society going to get wise to the monstrous and self-serving (serving the men) ways of our patriarchal cultures?