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FLDS mothers say they haven't been able to see, talk with their children
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annoymouse | 1:16 p.m. April 10, 2008
My heart goes out to these mothers. Answear this "any mother in this
USA" wouldn't you be desperate to get your beloved children back. This
is atrocious!!!
Anonymous | 1:13 p.m. April 10, 2008
Do the math. A 40 year old Flds woman and her oldest child is only 13? They let
her wait until she was 27 to have a kid. Sounds fishy to me.
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bigal | 1:18 p.m. April 10, 2008
Child Protective Services is a business. If they have a lot of children to
handle that is job security. The interest of the child is many times the last
thing on their minds. Children are emotionally abused by being separated from
there mothers. In the name of protecting the children, real abuse takes over.
amazed1 | 1:26 p.m. April 10, 2008
utah - there is something very wrong with someone who has not pity for tearing
apart families. Lots of posts getting angry at Jeffs for tearing apart
families... but this is okay?!!! I suppose you're at your safe little home,
with your loving family doting on your every need? Many of us may not
support/understand FLDS or LDS beliefs...BUT!!! Even more we have the sense to
realize when something has gone to far.
utah | 1:29 p.m. April 10, 2008
So....the FLDS went not too far???
So.... You guys think that is better to be sexually molested or raped than be separated from your abusers?
I don't really understand you. Did you read the whole thing? Did you hear Flora Jessop and the others that escaped before?
I'm sorry if I sound so critical, I just wish these children don't have to deal with sexual abuse anymore.
So.... You guys think that is better to be sexually molested or raped than be separated from your abusers?
I don't really understand you. Did you read the whole thing? Did you hear Flora Jessop and the others that escaped before?
I'm sorry if I sound so critical, I just wish these children don't have to deal with sexual abuse anymore.
Use Your Head | 1:31 p.m. April 10, 2008
Well just think about what these mothers are allowing their children to do, the
kind of life that they are forcing them to be brought up in...would you leave
your children with a mother who allows her daughter to be taken and married to
an older man at 12? Understanding that your daughter can easily be abused and
that's ok? All of the children need to be taken and evaluated by
authorities before being let back with their parents. After this raid I hope
these people are forced into mainstream life or understand that they will be
monitored by authorities from now on--the children are the victims idiots, not
the ignorant mothers
Kate | 1:34 p.m. April 10, 2008
I believe it is wrong to separate the mothers and children like that. I think
people posting here forget that even FLDS children need their mothers too, and
that separating them like this is wrong
John | 1:36 p.m. April 10, 2008
I have sympathy for the mother, but I also has sympathy for the child. Where was
the mother when they married her 12 year old daughter off?
Hans | 1:44 p.m. April 10, 2008
This is intolerable. The only reason the other women were allowed to accompany
the children was to avert the bad press of the last raid.
It was the stories of children being ripped from their mothers' arms that swayed public opinion against the government back then. I bet when all the hoopla dies down a bit on this, they will eject the mothers and quickly throw the kids into foster homes, where they'll learn the true meaning of abuse.
The state owns your babies now.
It was the stories of children being ripped from their mothers' arms that swayed public opinion against the government back then. I bet when all the hoopla dies down a bit on this, they will eject the mothers and quickly throw the kids into foster homes, where they'll learn the true meaning of abuse.
The state owns your babies now.
amazed1 | 1:42 p.m. April 10, 2008
Flora Jessop and others who have left are ALL we have ever heard. If you
"heard" about one teacher molesting, raping, having sex with or
beating underage students...would you agree that the whole school should shut
down and ALL the students carted off elsewhere? The ONLY OPINIONS we have are
based on what we have heard from embittered ex-members. Can you honestly think
that EVERY FLDS girl is sexually abused? And to "force" them into
"mainstream life" good grief what kind of a statement is that...you
just got done telling us they have been forced to live like they do and now you
want to FORCE them to do something different!
utah | 1:47 p.m. April 10, 2008
I wonder if these "mothers" have shown birth certificates and IDs so
they can probe they are the real mothers when asking to see them.
Anonymous | 1:51 p.m. April 10, 2008
Maybe their children were among the ones who couldn't identify their
mothers and didn't know what their birthdays were.
Concerned Parent | 1:52 p.m. April 10, 2008
This is heartbreaking. Clearly CPS has not allowed the mothers who went with the
children to remain together as a family, as they'd like us to think. If
this were true, they would have noticed by now that these mother's children
are missing.
And the fact that they weren't home when the kids were taken just goes to show that the women can leave the ranch, and all those stories about them being detained are just a bunch of gossip.
And the fact that they weren't home when the kids were taken just goes to show that the women can leave the ranch, and all those stories about them being detained are just a bunch of gossip.
Quality Foster Care? | 1:56 p.m. April 10, 2008
I am all for the removal of the children, but very concerned of the potential
foster homes. Here in Utah many children are abused physically, mentally, and
sexually while in foster homes. These are not the best foster homes of Utah mind
you. There are great foster homes out there, but when you place 400 kids with
short notice, you cannot be picky. The stated will take whatever they can get.
I'm not sure this circumstance is much worse than on the ranch. Hopefully
they can prosecute the abusive men and get the kids back in their homes. In my
world we should put the whole group on probation to monitor every teen-moms to
figure out whose the daddy. After a few years of intervention, leave them alone.
amazed1 | 2:00 p.m. April 10, 2008
John - What 12 year old girl? Who is the 12 year old girl that was married off?
SadSituation | 2:14 p.m. April 10, 2008
I don't think you can blame the mothers for wanting to see their children.
However I think it is best that they don't right now. The mothers have
enabled this abuse because they don't know anything else. The mothers grew
up with the same type of abuse and are now passing it onto their daughters.
Unforunately this is not uncommon in abusive situations. It tends to pass from
generation to generation unless the cycle is somehow broken. This society is
destructive to women. It is my guess that the mothers would coach their
children on how to respond to authorities. I'm not sure this raid will
stop it but I hope it helps.
Phil | 2:27 p.m. April 10, 2008
The 40 year old women probably has older children. They just are not children
any more, so not seized by the state of Texas. Does anybody in this state
believe in free agency. Culture of the majority is everything.
Outraged in Texas | 2:21 p.m. April 10, 2008
Where is the ACLU when they're needed? The FLDS is not a popular religious
group. But that's why the ACLU exists: to protect the constitutiuonal
rights of everyone, including, and especially, unpopular groups.
I'm particularly appalled by the way the news media are covering this story, reporting, 24/7, every lurid new speculation as if it were fact, apologists for heavy-handed government tactics. This is exactly the kind of story that trashy media like CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. thrive on: Lurid Sex! Nudity! Underage Girls! Polygamy! Sin! Weird Religious Cults! A Bed!
Who among is is safe from Big Brother, when government thugs in SWAT team attire storm churches and homes, and well-meaning but misguided child welfare officials tear families apart, based on the flimsiest of evidence and irresponsible speculation?
I wouldn't be surprised if the 16-year-old-girl who allegedly made the initial call to child welfare officials turns out to be fictional.
I'm particularly appalled by the way the news media are covering this story, reporting, 24/7, every lurid new speculation as if it were fact, apologists for heavy-handed government tactics. This is exactly the kind of story that trashy media like CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. thrive on: Lurid Sex! Nudity! Underage Girls! Polygamy! Sin! Weird Religious Cults! A Bed!
Who among is is safe from Big Brother, when government thugs in SWAT team attire storm churches and homes, and well-meaning but misguided child welfare officials tear families apart, based on the flimsiest of evidence and irresponsible speculation?
I wouldn't be surprised if the 16-year-old-girl who allegedly made the initial call to child welfare officials turns out to be fictional.
The Jake | 2:28 p.m. April 10, 2008
I have read many, many comments on this issue over the last few days. As an
active LDS member and a parent in the Utah Foster Care program, I would like to
offer up an opinion. This is not meant as an attack on any specific person
here, but it's important to remember that just as the Foster Care program
isn't perfect, none of us are perfect parents, either. I can only speak
for Utah's system, which isn't perfect, by any means, but if a heavy
influx of children came into the system in this manner, they would put out the
word to other states to assist with placement. They also approach family
members--that already screened--in order to keep the kids with family. Long
gone are the days with Foster Care is a "business", in my opinion.
While it's true that there are unsatisfactory parents in the program, there
are also a lot of good, loving parents, like me, who are in the program because
we want to help keep the trauma these children are already going through as
minimal as possible. It's a hard job, but the kids make it worth it!
A Mom | 2:31 p.m. April 10, 2008
Disgusting! Where was all that motherly concern for the
children�s welfare when their daughters and step-daughters
were being raped by dirty old men?
The Texas authorities allowed 133 mothers to accompany the children off the ranch. That was above and beyond what would have been allowed under the same circumstances in ANY home in this country.
This story is national news and has horrified the American public. Leave it to the DesNews to run a story portraying these adults as "victims." How appalling! You get absolutely no sympathy from me on this one.
The Texas authorities allowed 133 mothers to accompany the children off the ranch. That was above and beyond what would have been allowed under the same circumstances in ANY home in this country.
This story is national news and has horrified the American public. Leave it to the DesNews to run a story portraying these adults as "victims." How appalling! You get absolutely no sympathy from me on this one.
Unbelievable!!!! | 2:36 p.m. April 10, 2008
Since when has ANYTHING these people (FLDS) have said been the truth???? When
there are young girls pregnant everywhere and they claim not to have broken the
law? HELLO????
Pretty interesting that the reporters have been able to get pictures of FLDS mothers with their children, yet these mothers are claiming they can't see theirs! Is the reason they can't because they won't GO see them? They want the kids to come to them? Or are they just knowingly pulling at the heart strings of people like the unbelievable posts on here?
Difficult to understand how people feel for mothers making these claims, but not for children whom have been abused!?!?!
WAKE UP!!! Honestly! There will always be the stories of CPS removing children where nothing was founded. However, not of this magnitude! Also, consider the actual ratio. The occasional story versus the ACTUAL warranted accounts of abuse!
In my opinion, too often the parents of abused children are given multiple chances and fail. All while the children pay the price. There has to be a line somewhere! Completion of a class does not a good parent make!!!!
Pretty interesting that the reporters have been able to get pictures of FLDS mothers with their children, yet these mothers are claiming they can't see theirs! Is the reason they can't because they won't GO see them? They want the kids to come to them? Or are they just knowingly pulling at the heart strings of people like the unbelievable posts on here?
Difficult to understand how people feel for mothers making these claims, but not for children whom have been abused!?!?!
WAKE UP!!! Honestly! There will always be the stories of CPS removing children where nothing was founded. However, not of this magnitude! Also, consider the actual ratio. The occasional story versus the ACTUAL warranted accounts of abuse!
In my opinion, too often the parents of abused children are given multiple chances and fail. All while the children pay the price. There has to be a line somewhere! Completion of a class does not a good parent make!!!!
Guilty until proven innocent? | 2:35 p.m. April 10, 2008
I don't agree with underage marriages but taking peoples children away with
no evidence (they might have it for a few but surely not for all 416) is
attrocious. This is wrong on so many levels.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Where's the evidence (the woman who initially called)?
I am not defending the actions of those individuals who are breaking the law (underage marraiges, abuse, etc...). I am sure some justice will be meted out when this is all over. However, it is just as important for the government to OBEY the law and to respect the rights of its citizens when collecting evidence. Sad situation all around.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Where's the evidence (the woman who initially called)?
I am not defending the actions of those individuals who are breaking the law (underage marraiges, abuse, etc...). I am sure some justice will be meted out when this is all over. However, it is just as important for the government to OBEY the law and to respect the rights of its citizens when collecting evidence. Sad situation all around.
Kate | 2:41 p.m. April 10, 2008
Finally some are seeing the truth! The precedent has been set. It can be applied
to a neighborhood, a church, a school, or a place of employment. If one person
makes a complaint, EVERYONE�S kids can be taken into
�protective custody.�
Don�t try to convince me they can�t or
won�t. They just did it! While I agree that child abuse
cannot be tolerated, this action will not stop this group. Their worst fears of
the outside world have just been confirmed. They will only become more secretive
and isolated.
Amy | 2:51 p.m. April 10, 2008
Interesting comments- especially those who are stating how these kids are
treated in their families when it is unlikely that any of those people making
the comments have been around a polygamous family, or in their homes at all.
Your opinions are probably based on the very loud accusations made by the Flora
Jessops out there. I have a few sisters who got divorced & then declared due
to their marital unhappiness that they no longer believed in marriage-
"everyone should just live with a lover until it is no longer optimal,
& then move on to a new one." I guess since so many people are
divorced, that must mean marriage is horrible & should not exist.One of my
sisters was abused. That must mean all men hurt their wives, huh? Or MAYBE we
should not judge everyone in a given group by the wrongs of a few. What ever
happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? No parent should ever have
their children taken without definate proof that parent is abusive. I hope those
guilty of abuse are prosecuted, while the loving parents' kids are returned
to them. I can't imagine how scary this must be for them.
Janet | 2:52 p.m. April 10, 2008
People....a phone caller who "says" they are abused wants help so they
take a community. Is there something wrong with that? I think so. I live in
Texas. I have reported an abuse. No action was taken. You have to be careful of
what you are believing and who you are believing to be factual and truthful.
Texas is the Bible belt. There is deep mistrust and HATE, yes hate, of people
who are not "Christian". The term Christian depends on the
denomination and the pastor. There is open persecution in Texas of the
"cults" and it is not considered wrong or unconstitutional.....
And you know best!!! | 2:52 p.m. April 10, 2008
I at first glance a lot of the things being said seem outrageous. I know some of
"these people". Some have done things that they should not have.
Family is many things to many people. We learn from birth to live inside our own world. These woman will go back home.
Some never did fit in ie. "Flora" (whom if you knew on a personal level) would most likely disspise!!! Others find LOVE, Comfort, Safety, and yes; respect in it's own way.
I know you think Tarzan would be happier in New York. But, if you think about it, he had a working, functioning life before the great white hunters found him... For good, or for bad. These people have lives that give most of them a since of pourpose and happiness.
Most of us in the "regular- outside" world, have enough keeping our own noses clean. When you have your house in order, come tell me about mine. Till then, mind your own business.
Family is many things to many people. We learn from birth to live inside our own world. These woman will go back home.
Some never did fit in ie. "Flora" (whom if you knew on a personal level) would most likely disspise!!! Others find LOVE, Comfort, Safety, and yes; respect in it's own way.
I know you think Tarzan would be happier in New York. But, if you think about it, he had a working, functioning life before the great white hunters found him... For good, or for bad. These people have lives that give most of them a since of pourpose and happiness.
Most of us in the "regular- outside" world, have enough keeping our own noses clean. When you have your house in order, come tell me about mine. Till then, mind your own business.
Time | 2:47 p.m. April 10, 2008
It is time to break the cycle. These children should be with thier mothers,IF
it can be proven that the mothers will act in the best interest of each
individual child and not that of the elders or the church
To "utah" | 2:52 p.m. April 10, 2008
You were given a brain for a reason, so use it. Every single thing these people
have done is not evil, and every single person hasn't necessarily
participated in the underage marriages. Common sense and clear heads need to
prevail, and yours isn't one. Quit assuming everything word you hear or
read from the media is absolute truth!! This must be addressed, but it MUST be
done without violating individual rights! We live in the U.S. for a reason.
amazed1 | 2:54 p.m. April 10, 2008
SadSituation...you are an authority on abuse? YOU don't think the mothers
should be with their children? It's your guess - and only that! You know
nothing about these mothers. You would be like the state - steal the children
and "if you do what we say,you might get them back". Do you have
children of your own? Do you teach them anything or do they just raise
themselves so they don't get indoctrinated with YOUR traditions? And this
girl calling the shelter, how was she able to specifically call the shelter if
they are not able to leave and have no access to phones etc. This whole ordeal
gets more and more insane!!!
Let them be | 3:12 p.m. April 10, 2008
These birth mothers (if they can prove who their biological children are) SHOULD
have the right to be with their children. I don't understand why they are
being kept separate. Do they believe the Mother's are a potential threat?
Do they consider them accessories to the abuse? They (women) haven't been
arrested yet, so there must be nothing the gov't has probable cause against
them for. SO WHY CAN'T THESE MOM'S HOLD THEIR OWN BABIES. This is
ludicrous! I can't believe this is happening in America.
Larry | 3:11 p.m. April 10, 2008
I hope they get those girls out of Texas ASAP. Put them in homes on the east
coast far away from all LDS. Give them a chance for a real life.
m | 3:21 p.m. April 10, 2008
To: Guilty until proven Innocent?
You ask where is the evidence (of sexual abuse) perhaps it is found in the many pregnant teenagers and teenage mothers they removed from the compound. When the issue is abuse of children they need to remove first and figure it out after. Plus, I firmly believe they have long been gathering information regarding this group of people. I really don't care if they are practicing plural marriage - it just must be between consenting adults. They must be "forced" to stop marrying off the children. The idea of a teenager being married to a middle aged man is sick.
Some people are so worried for the children being taken away from their mothers. Over a hundred adult mothers (and many teenage mothers) are with the children now - I think they are being cared for by people they know and probably love.
You ask where is the evidence (of sexual abuse) perhaps it is found in the many pregnant teenagers and teenage mothers they removed from the compound. When the issue is abuse of children they need to remove first and figure it out after. Plus, I firmly believe they have long been gathering information regarding this group of people. I really don't care if they are practicing plural marriage - it just must be between consenting adults. They must be "forced" to stop marrying off the children. The idea of a teenager being married to a middle aged man is sick.
Some people are so worried for the children being taken away from their mothers. Over a hundred adult mothers (and many teenage mothers) are with the children now - I think they are being cared for by people they know and probably love.
Spacebar | 3:19 p.m. April 10, 2008
Break the law, lose all your rights.
Don't Mess With Texas
Don't Mess With Texas
Amy | 3:23 p.m. April 10, 2008
I am so worried about all those kids being thrown in to foster homes. I have
personally known 4 people who had been in foster homes as teens- 2 girls, 2
boys- & all 4 of them say they were molested. I don't know if it's
just a coincidence, but my friends' experiences make me think that system
is not such a safe place for kids. I'm sure there are good foster homes,
but HOW do pedophiles get into the Child "Protective" Services??? Or
qualify as foster parents??? It is terrifying to think that a child can be torn
from loving parents because their religion is unpopular, and placed with
strangers where they may or may not be safe. I'm hoping & praying the
state of Texas takes the greatest of care in the matter, & only goes after
abuse, NOT tearing apart loving families simply out of their own personal
prejudice. Since the underage marriage issue is a big concern, why not put the
girls(where no abuse proves true) back with their families, but under state
supervision, to be checked on every few months until 18, to prevent said
marriages. Wouldn't the parents cooperate, rather than lose their kids?
Deep in the Heart | 3:53 p.m. April 10, 2008
The raid occurred nearly a week ago, and the girl whose alleged call led
authorities to intervene claims to be of a certain age and pregnant, yet no one
can say who she is. They don't know which of the teenagers is pregnant?
Really? She allegedly asked for help in leaving, and now she can, so why
hasn't she stepped forward? When these mothers start appearing in court
with a lawyer demanding to know what hard evidence exists for the seizure of
their children, we may well see that the answer is precious little. I'm
opposed to this group, but I am also opposed to excessive and ill-advised
government force.
northmom | 4:08 p.m. April 10, 2008
I side for the children here. No mother should let her young child go off into a
room for sex with an old man and to be called his wife! It would be as bad to
let a mother sell her little girl on a street corner! Yes, it was right for the
TX Gov to go in and remove the children and with hopes to put and END to the
abuse of the children in the name of an FLDS god/gods. This is no church! this
is a place of child and women abuse! I feel for the mothers only as far as them
being a victem in all this as well as the children. And if the Gov can help the
young in this, then so be it. I am no fan of the foster care system, but I would
not want any little child to go back into any FLDS compound. The US gives us all
the freedom to worship God as we will. But we can not let abuse run free in the
name of God.
I pray for the children and the mothers in this, that they could be free of years of abuse.
I pray for the children and the mothers in this, that they could be free of years of abuse.
America Lost The Cold War | 4:04 p.m. April 10, 2008
"Where the state is supreme, the particular problem is easily managed; in a
dictatorship each child belongs to the state and you may not damage state
property."
C. Henry Kempe "The Battered Child"
C. Henry Kempe "The Battered Child"
Help the mothers | 4:27 p.m. April 10, 2008
What a pity. "We are keeping your kids but you are free to go
anytime." WE seem surprised that mothers came along at their own free will
to be with their kids. Why act like these people are a bunch of wild animals?
This media hype is retardedly heartless.
Does this 16 year old who made the call even exist?
Does this 16 year old who made the call even exist?
Lane Meyer | 4:40 p.m. April 10, 2008
It is incredible that this illegal action can be justified under any pretense.
No organization thrives so much and for so long, as the FLDS were under such
supposed harsh and cruel circumstances. Perhaps they were getting too big and
the government had to shut them down.
important? | 4:37 p.m. April 10, 2008
They have nearly 20 pregnant Sixteen year old girls WITH babies about 8 months
old. They have younger mothers there than 16...
Is it really that important which one she is? They went in looking for 1 girl and they found nearly 20 that "fit" the reason for the search warrant.
It would be stupid to think that they would identify the girl so she could be a target for every reporter. Think things through...
The LDS people are very different from this shoot off sect (the FLDS). The LDS Church does not promote nor condone child abuse.
The children would be safe and to some level "understood" by the LDS members. The foster families will need to be understanding of the childrens other beliefs like the ones about food and drink.
Is it really that important which one she is? They went in looking for 1 girl and they found nearly 20 that "fit" the reason for the search warrant.
It would be stupid to think that they would identify the girl so she could be a target for every reporter. Think things through...
The LDS people are very different from this shoot off sect (the FLDS). The LDS Church does not promote nor condone child abuse.
The children would be safe and to some level "understood" by the LDS members. The foster families will need to be understanding of the childrens other beliefs like the ones about food and drink.
Some odd comments here... | 4:43 p.m. April 10, 2008
The phone call from the girl gave authorities the probable cause to enter and
search for her and a suspect. Once inside, officers found several underage
girls who were either pregnant or had just given birth. The police have a duty
to act on apparent violations of the law---the purpose for being there is
irrelevant, as long as they were involved in a legal search.
Didn�t you read the news accounts? During the initial
search for the caller, 18 underage girls were removed and immediately placed
into foster care on the first day. The judge then expanded the scope of the
search warrant based on reports of the initial investigation.
As far as CPS goes, the law does not require �proof� of abuse to remove children. Children are removed from homes everyday because a reasonable belief exists that the child�s home environment is unsafe. In this unusual case, the FLDS environment is communal and subject to a patriarchy that sanctions sexual relations with girls and abandons the excess boys. The mothers could possibly get their children back if it�s determined they did not (and will not) contribute to the abuse, and can provide a safe environment for the kids.
As far as CPS goes, the law does not require �proof� of abuse to remove children. Children are removed from homes everyday because a reasonable belief exists that the child�s home environment is unsafe. In this unusual case, the FLDS environment is communal and subject to a patriarchy that sanctions sexual relations with girls and abandons the excess boys. The mothers could possibly get their children back if it�s determined they did not (and will not) contribute to the abuse, and can provide a safe environment for the kids.
R | 5:06 p.m. April 10, 2008
Bravo, Texas! You just proved to those people that all their fears of the
outside world coming after them and taking away their kids again, are true. Now
the tens of thousands of them in other places will probably close themselves off
even more- the very thing authorities in and around Utah, who have ALOT more
experience with these people, have been trying to avoid. Finally, during the
last few years, alot of progress has been made in opening up communication
between polygamists and government. Now, that progress and the increasingly
successful attempts to get their communities to open up, may be very negatively
affected by this brazen assault on one such community. And to all those
criticizing Az. for not doing this sooner- they DID in 1953. And it was a
complete disaster! So they settled on leaving out the Nazi-type tactics and
going after only CRIMES. That's the American way! But think about this- now
if another girl like "Sarah"(if she exists) wants to call for help,
she is far less likely to do it for fear all of her family, friends &
neighbors will be hurt by her so doing. Texas may cause a didasterous ripple
effect.
Usually a Rebel | 5:05 p.m. April 10, 2008
In most situations I would be ranting in favor of Constitutional rights and
"innocent until proven guilty." However, when I think of my own sweet
teenage daughters and the way their lives differ from the young girls rescued
from the YFZ Ranch,it makes my heart ache. Protect the kids first. Sort out
the legalities later. Please, Deseret News, don't try to white-wash
polygamy!
Texas Ute | 5:53 p.m. April 10, 2008
Upon reading these posts it appears the LDS in Utah are brainwashed as to what
is law and why it is there.It doesn't surprise me though after attending
the U for 5 years.
masked_data | 5:54 p.m. April 10, 2008
I don't blame the authorities for keeping the mothers away. Looks like
they'll have to do DNA tests since a lot those kids don't even know
who their biological mothers are.
This is by the book | 5:59 p.m. April 10, 2008
This is standard procedure when investigating abuse in a home, especially sexual
abuse.
The mothers are suspects in the case as contributing to said abuse by inaction.
There is just cause to keep th echildren in protective custody while the investigation is ongoing, and all procedure is there to protect the welfare of the children first.
The mothers are suspects in the case as contributing to said abuse by inaction.
There is just cause to keep th echildren in protective custody while the investigation is ongoing, and all procedure is there to protect the welfare of the children first.
R | 6:09 p.m. April 10, 2008
Texas Ute, Why do you assume that everyone posting is LDS and living in Utah?
Your insulting comment falls back on yourself as your assumptions make you lose
credibility. I have posted several times and I am not LDS, and I have lived in a
number of U.S. states.
shadow | 6:11 p.m. April 10, 2008
Let's walk this through. A report is made of child abuse. By law, the
responder must act. By law, they must report and act. By law (and decency).
Imagine if we found out that a responder had heard a complaint and had not acted upon it! We would be screaming for that person's license, etc.
So the responder has no choice. Society set this up so that the very serious charges of child abuse, rape, incest, etc., will be looked into. Society set up this protection for the children (the possible victims). All states do this!
Texas and the lady who got the call had no choice in the matter. Society set up the laws that we all play by. Why? Do you really wonder why? You do not understand child protection services? Where have you been? On Mars? Venus? Prison?
Texas did what Texas had to do. Now they will follow the law and sort things out. What kind of adults tell children not to tell the police anything? And why? My mom always taught me that the police were our friends. That is what civilized societies promote. Only criminals would oppose that. Only criminals.
The Shadow Knows.
Imagine if we found out that a responder had heard a complaint and had not acted upon it! We would be screaming for that person's license, etc.
So the responder has no choice. Society set this up so that the very serious charges of child abuse, rape, incest, etc., will be looked into. Society set up this protection for the children (the possible victims). All states do this!
Texas and the lady who got the call had no choice in the matter. Society set up the laws that we all play by. Why? Do you really wonder why? You do not understand child protection services? Where have you been? On Mars? Venus? Prison?
Texas did what Texas had to do. Now they will follow the law and sort things out. What kind of adults tell children not to tell the police anything? And why? My mom always taught me that the police were our friends. That is what civilized societies promote. Only criminals would oppose that. Only criminals.
The Shadow Knows.
Julie | 6:22 p.m. April 10, 2008
With due respect to freedom of religion, this sect fully endorses breaking the
law by arranging and sanctioning plural marriages with underage brides. Marriage
between family members has led to several generations of members with readily
apparent genetic disorders and lag in cognitive development. Hats off to the
Texas officials who have intervened... now let's see if Arizona officials
have the courage to do likewise.
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Why are you Deseret Morning News taking a part that seems to support FLDS actions?
You want to show something different only or don't want to see and show the reality of polygamy????
I pray that God will show us all the true behind FLDS and why not the true behind LDS history too.