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Yet the cohabitation/same-gender marriage is against "Biblical Law".
Therefore anything that is against "Biblical Law", in liberalistic views, must be allowed in society.
AIMHO
In this whole situation, the word that has been overlooked is "IF." If this happened. If there was sex in the temple. If you are having an illicit relationship in your own home. If you are legally married. If you are in line with what I deem appropriate. If the phone call from the 16 year old ever took place. If the warrant was legitimate. IF???
But I get what you mean, completely. Unfortunately, having multiple wives is not usually the problem - it is how they treat them and their children. I hope "alternate life styles" are held similarly accountable. I imagine if a gay couple had abused their children we would really hear about it.
Texas has a strong live-and-let-live-attitude, as well as a powerful attack-me-and-die-attitude. Outsiders don't understand; that doesn't bother us. But when you mess with children, life gets very bad for you, very fast. This is a child-abuse-issue not a polygamy-and-religious-issue.
Who DIDN'T know about the polygamy? Who CARED? IF you took them to court, jury-nullification might kill the law, so why bother enforcing it? Folks in that area don't care about the polygamy-issue. Polygamy is just an Anti-Mormon-vs-Mormon-issue brought up by desperate religionists who are losing their congregation/income.
Pray for the children; they are the ones who need it most. If you care about the adults, pray the feds stay out of it.
So many of the entries in the last few days regarding the unfolding situation in Texas show the typical western vigilante mentality that prevails on into the 21st century. I recoil at the thought that any of you, so quick to suspend constitutional rights, might be called to jury duty should I ever be brought before a legal tribunal, justly or unjustly.
As to the way they are treated, well--given the way the article describes their condition--I've got a real problem with that, legally married or no. Personal choice certainly has to be respected, but it sounds like that of the young women in question is ignored, overruled, intimidated, denied, trampled, destroyed.
This isn't about illegal sexual activity with an underage girl--they are "legally" married by Texas definition. It sounds more like an issue of blatant spouse abuse in every sense of the word.
How many other things are you willing to allow to go on with a nudge and a wink. I've read with interest many of your prior postings on a variety of subjects. There is some hypocracy going on here. Seems we only nudge and wink at what agrees with our own opinions. We seem willing to cast the first stone when it in our own best interest.
"During an interview Friday with a child who appeared to be 16, the girl was asked how old she was. The girl's husband, who is approximately 33 and was nearby during the interview, looked at his wife and said, "You are 18," the affidavit states. The girl, who has a 10-month-old baby, then replied that she was 18."
That's some pretty amazing discernment to be able to look at a girl and say she "appears" to be 16 - not 15, not 17, but 16. Not excusing what's going on down there, I'm just sayin'...
It's sounds horrible, and maybe it is, but why borrow trouble until we know.
If the same ALLEGED abuses were being committed in a community of alcohol drinking, foulmouthed, tattooed, people that never went to church, no one would have lifted a finger or said �boo.� Look around you, with your eyes open, at all the wrong, and illegal stuff people are doing and which the popular culture embraces.
Wrong is wrong, but the hypocrisy of society in how this is being handled is appalling.
I didn't see any evidence in this article to back up the sensationalist title. The TITLE of this article leads you to guess that there is hard, factual evidence that the beds are there specifically for older men to have sex in the temple with underage girls.
I have no idea whether that is true, but it looks from what little was said in the article that the title was developed just for a sensational "National Enquirer" type of lead in to get you to read the article. No basis in fact -- just a way to smear both the FLDS, and LDS by association.
The thing that disturbs me most is what appears to be dishonesty in reporting here. I'll decide whether to be disturbed about the actual situation after I hear some hard facts. But so far, the reporting on this incident seems to be mostly conjecture by reporters with a bias and ax to grind.
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That said, however, I am extremely uncomfortable with the government storming in and removing all of the children. They had better have had some extremely compelling evidence and clear authority to do so. I'm not defending the rights of perpetrators. This is a horrible situation and I hope those who have been victimized can get help. I just think it is a very slippery slope for the government to barge in and trample over personal liberties.
I hope they haven't just put these children in a worse situation.
It is common knowledge that polygamy still exists in Utah.
The sheer scale of unlawful practices is the truly damaging sitiuation for women and especially young girls who have been sexualised within a veneer of religious belief.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints still has section 132 and still seals men to multiple wives for the Celestial Kingdom.
Only Church of Christ or RLDS can say that they recognized nutz or morally reprehensible when they heard it.
You've all known that perfectly well all these years. And I suspect that's why UT has turned their back and allowed the same thing to go on for 100 years.
Two days ago, an editorial in the St. George Spectrum, the editors said "Frankly, it's not the government's business how many wives a man chooses to have and support."
Makes one wonder just how far removed they really are.
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without knowing where they were, and getting physical evidence, it would be hard to tell what they were being used for. Perhaps they were in a nursery area. We don't know. We just have the word of one former member.
I still feel, based on the lack of evidence publicized, that violating someone else's temple is violating the constitution.
This whole thing is being handled wrong. How close it this to Waco?