Comments about ‘Search: Were beds in temple used for teen sex?’

Beds..
without knowing where they were, and getting physical evidence, it would be hard to tell what they were being used for. Perhaps they were in a nursery area. We don't know. We just have the word of one former member.

I still feel, based on the lack of evidence publicized, that violating someone else's temple is violating the constitution.

This whole thing is being handled wrong. How close it this to Waco?

This is really a tough call. I believe in religious freedom and I also believe in personal freedom. Sometimes children are taken from their parents too quickly, and foster care can be as damaging to them as the situation from which they were removed. As an attorney I have found that the State is an extremely poor parent, and children have been sexually abused and even died while in the care of the State (group homes or foster homes) On the other hand, things sound pretty problematic. I believe that the young mothers should be allowed to choose what they do. If they want to leave, we should help them. But if they want to go back, we should allow them to do so also, unless severe abuse is found.

I have the same ques. Why would a temple have to have beds? Do they "worship" lying down? Very weird and disturbing.

I hope the best for those who have been harmed by the FLDS. I remember Elder Uchtdorf's talk at conference where being off the compass mark just a degree or two can result in disaster. My friendship is extended to help in the new lives many may be looking for.

If the sex in the temple is true, then... aren't you glad that Texas had the courage to move on this allegation? Where has Utah's leadership been?

In a previous post I wrote "they" referring to those who use the bed. I had in mind consenting adults not kids. Sorry for confusion.

I am LDS in Texas. FLDS, and all others who practice polygamy in Texas, Utah, or wherever, are nothing more than pedophiles and slavers who use laws protecting religious freedom to get away with it. Shame on Utah for not stepping up long ago to protect those children.

This situation, for some reason, has my sensitivities worked up. Someone answer a question for me. If a man or woman cohabitates with two or more or several partners without the "constraints" of a legal or "spiritual" marriage, no one bats an eye in this country. It's simply referred to as an alternate lifestyle. Why is it that when the term marriage is tied to the same cohabitation, it is illegal and feared and socially unacceptable? I know why I don't favor polygamy, but why is it socially unacceptable in this permissive country as an alternate lifestyle? If children are abused or partners are enslaved, there are laws to deal with it, as well there ought to be, but why is marriage to more than one spouse unacceptable when same sex marriages or multiple cohabitations deemed by so many to be not only normal but deserving of constitutional protection?? Why the hypocracy, and why the hobnail enforcement against the community in Eldorado? Prosecute offenders if they can be legitimately be found, but this deal seems to be way more than it needs to be.

Go texas. Let the world know that, there at least, this stuff won't be allowed to go on with a nudge and a wink. If only we'd follow their lead.

The Scriptures are replete with admonitions to honor, uphold, and obey the law of the land. Latter Day Prophets and Apostles continue this admonition to this day.

What will Texas have to pay out in claims for trama that is being endured by the mothers and children. I hope the settlement with be huge in Texas tradition.

Before it became known that pedophilia was involved, the state governments remembered the disastrous results of the raids in the 1950s and largely let them be. But the pedophilia aspect changes everything. The problem is not the polygamous aspect of it so much as the coercive and sexually abusive aspect.

To Mimi: You are right. Not only for Texas and Utah, but all across this nation. Lawfully married, faithful to your spouse, kind, loving and patient is what is legal, as well as ethical and morally right.

The only reason or difference I can see is that the plural marriage is under the religions "Biblical Law".

Yet the cohabitation/same-gender marriage is against "Biblical Law".

Therefore anything that is against "Biblical Law", in liberalistic views, must be allowed in society.

AIMHO

The LDS Church headquarters in Utah has nothing to do with the FLDS in any part of the world. They are not the same church. I wish people would get their heads out of the sand and realize that. Stop blaming the LDS church leadership in Utah for the mess that the FLDS church has gotten themselves in. It's like blaming your neighbor for the stone that was thrown in another part of the country.

To Russ:
In this whole situation, the word that has been overlooked is "IF." If this happened. If there was sex in the temple. If you are having an illicit relationship in your own home. If you are legally married. If you are in line with what I deem appropriate. If the phone call from the 16 year old ever took place. If the warrant was legitimate. IF???

I hope Texas knows what it's doing....hopefully they have more information that they are letting out. A bed in the temple was disturbed as if it was slept in, a strand of hair found, equals sex in the bed in the temple? They have just got to have more information than they are making public, don't they? I hope Texas can get to the bottom of this and the truth can be proven.

ediddy - for all the cases I have watched (and granted I am no legal expert) they only prosecute polygamy when it involves child abuse, neglect, and/or misuse of state funds.
But I get what you mean, completely. Unfortunately, having multiple wives is not usually the problem - it is how they treat them and their children. I hope "alternate life styles" are held similarly accountable. I imagine if a gay couple had abused their children we would really hear about it.

I think the goodwill toward the Church gained during the Romney campaign (some may claim it was a wash) took a direct hit with two recent headline incidents - the missionary vandalism in Colorado and now this. No matter what is said or done, many will tie the LDS Church to Texas in a negative way. Even many who understand that the Church stopped the practice over a hundred years ago recognize that the LDS Church started the practice and doctrinal thinking that the FLDS is now continuing. It has not been a good PR month for the Church.

I would be SOMEWHAT surprised if the "bed in the temple teen sex orgy" story turns out to be true. I think Texas is feeling alot of criticsm now for their actions and carefully placed rumors CAN be effective in blunting criticism. We'll see if it is true or not, eventually. At any rate, I hold to my belief that search warrents should be selective and very specific. I believe that the rights of parents should be protected. What we think is weird, to someone else is a sacred belief. If we don't demand government accountability in this case, WE may be next. Many people think our beliefs are weird. Given what occurred in early territorial Utah...its not much of a stretch to see why people still view us as weird.