Comments about ‘Scale of Texas' tough task unprecedented’

A recent congressional report stated that 9% of children in public school will be sexual assaulted or harassed by a school employee between K-12th grade. Why don't authorities empty out the schools when a teacher is found to have been doing this under the noses of the administrators and other teachers. Obviously that would be over-reaching. This Texas action is unprecedented but will it have legal merit. Have they ever found the alleged victim?

Would all you whinies just stop whining and pretend your 16 and pregnant and abused?

Texas' response may be larger than anything Utah has ever had to muster.
Is that because we don't have the problem in Utah, or are ignoring it?

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"Have they ever found the alleged victim? "

I understand they have found lots of victims - pregnant children and children with babies.

Want to see pictures?

In my stake gets abused, calls in (and no one can find her, or id her) and the police come at stake conference and rip all the kids out loving homes and arms. It's about the same amount.

If abuse is happening, proscute THOSE case. Don't punnish everyone, because of the actions of a few. You won't come get my kids, because the guy down the street abused a kid. I hope the USSC weighs in on this one REAL quick.

And for those who think Utah turns a blind eye? Think "Kingston" last year. When abuse is happening, the kids are removed. But not all polygamous relationships are abusive.

Texas did what Utah and Arizona should have had the courage to do years ago. The abuses of young women forced to marry against their will at any age is an outrage.

being pregnant does not equate being a victim. being a child doesn't make you a victim either. about seventeen or so years ago Texas had a big rally on the lawns of it's capital. homeschoolers were rallying for the right to be homeschooling. many had been rounded up and taken by CPS previous to that time. texas has a fear mentality.

Hey Jonson, what is your definition 'children'? Given that more than half of US 'teenagers' are sexually active, where does the general population get off being indigent that this group at least has their sexually active teenagers getting married first. Are parents that allow their 16 year old daughter to have had 5, 6, or more sexual partners 'better' parents than those that allow their daughter to be married to an older man? I don't see what sound reasoning would support that, even though I think both are wrong.

So far as I've read, this all still came about due to a false report of abuse of a non-existent 16 year old by a man that wasn't even in Texas at the time. Maybe the final facts will be different, but right now it sure looks like Texas acted on false information and is guilt of hypocrisy and violating these people's constitutional rights.

Anyone ever hear of the term "habeas corpus?" What it means in simplified english is, "produce the body." Produce the evidence or back off until you can. Texas complains that they have insufficient means to deal with the 416 children taken into CPS custody. Maybe it's because they have way overstepped their constitutional authority without due process. That one or some of the children may have been neglected or abused is a distinct possibility, but blanket police action without habeas corpus is a 4th amendment violation. The dislike of polygamy, of itself does not give a government entity the right to infringe on the constitutional right against illegal search and seizure.

This case is an unprecedented outrage. Those folks have been found guilty by association and in the end that will NOT hold up in court. Such a clear blatant flagrant violation of human rights is taking place there in the great state of Texas and history will show it to ba a stain on law enforcement as short creek is here in Utah. I wonder how this case would be viewed if it were taking place in China or Tibet??
I also wonder how many constitutional attorneys have offered to contribute to this case pro bono. I hope there are many. From my far off vantage point it is so obviously a clear cut case. The Supreme court will end up declining to hear this case I suspect.

Does it concern anyone else that one persons opinion of another persons actions seems to be good enough reason to enforce that opinion by law?
I hate smoking (not smokers). Do I have the right to bar them from smoking? I fear people who abuse firearms. Do I have the right to ban guns? I don't like hateful words. Do I have the right to prevent you from speaking? I don't like your religion. Do I have the right to prevent you from believing? At some point, your disapproving finger may point at me. who will stand up for my rights then?? I don't approve of polygamy, but that gives me no right to bypass a polygamist's right to constitutional acess!

Matthew
All those teens that you are talking about, having 5, 6, or more sexual partners are having sex with THE PEOPLE THEY CHOOSE. Are you saying that it is better to force your daughter or allow her to be forced to marry a man old enough to be her father or grandfather. That is sick and abusive.
Also, you do not know that the 16 year old that started all this gave a false report or not.
I thank God that I am from Texas. Dont know where you are from but glad me and my daughter are not there.

Some of you are unbelievable!! THINK ABOUT IT!

These are children whom are being raised and taught that this is not only the norm, but the expected!

Let's just pretend that a similar situation DID occur in your stake. So..., numerous members of the law show up and, upon seeing several young girls in the same area pregnant, begin an investigation. THEN the real facts emerge: 1. All children (male and female)in your stake are being raised to believe this is the way life should be, and 2. They are also being told that if they seek outside help horrible, and possibly worse, things will happen to them. Hello?? Doesn't that put a little more urgency in the situation? The very reason this would not occur in our stakes is because IT DOES NOT occur in our stakes! There are sickos in every religion, but this was a town of them! THIS is their religion!

No one could raise their child to believe that murder or robbery was o.k. and justified, and not have the law intervene, on behalf of the child, in the name of abuse. And thank heaven they do! Otherwise, consider the alternative!!!!

THINK ABOUT IT!!

Your story of CPS taking homeschooled children has no basis. CPS takes children on the basis of abuse and yes some parents who homeschool their children, just like regular parents do abuse them.

Get the subject in the right place for pete's sake.

To ediddy:
We're bring the 416 children to live with you, NOW. Put up or shut up. They weren't taken because of polygamy, the charge was ABUSE or can't you read and understand. Trust me they have many "bodies". Due process was observed. You have no grounds for saying it wasn't.

Texans act, non-mo's whine.

I am not in favor of mess round up except for cattle. Do we have rights of not, I won't be moving to Texas anytime soon.

Take a minute and read the report on druge, the 16 year old story has huge gaps in it. "i am the seventh wife" see page 3 " has 3 other wives". Maybe someone who hates these groups set up law enforcement.

Children locked in closets? 13 and 14 year olds forced into sexual relationships. This is a religion? If you want to talk "constitutional rights" aks yourself if these young women are free. Are they free to choose their spouse? Are they free to leave the compound? Are they free to leave a locked closet? Are they free to protect their own viginity?
I guess there would be medical evidence of her broken ribs and that would be a good start for the body of evidence surmounting against these sect "leaders." There are no constitutional rights that protect slavery and human bondage.

I agree with ediddy,janet, and dave. This is a very "slippery slope' what the authorities did in Texas.This is guilt by association.How long will these children be kept by the state? What about the adult women? Will the state keep thier children from thier mother if she chooses to return to the compound? If these men did what is alleged,bring them to justice. Otherwise, release them.

Many have stated on this forum over the past few months that sex offenders have no constitutional rights, at least, from the posts that I have read.

In fact, many have posted that those who have been accused of sex abuse of a child should undergo certain medical procedures, including death, without having the person be convicted.

Allow the investigation to run it's course before you convict and sentence, least you be just as guilty.

If you want security and protection from such things how much freedom are you willing to give up? The only way to have total security is to totally give up your freedoms.