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The Moral of the Story | 9:08 a.m. April 9, 2008
Don't break the Law in Texas.
One Voice | 9:15 a.m. April 9, 2008
Amen to ediddy and Constitutional Rights.
I don't think that anyone here is defending underage marriage or abuse in any way, shape, or form. However, I don't believe that the means justify the method in ripping families apart. Who's next? Did Texas authorities fail to realize that this type lawlessness on their part may actually discourage other abuse victims from reporting crimes for fear that it will split up their whole family or worse, the whole community?
I don't think that anyone here is defending underage marriage or abuse in any way, shape, or form. However, I don't believe that the means justify the method in ripping families apart. Who's next? Did Texas authorities fail to realize that this type lawlessness on their part may actually discourage other abuse victims from reporting crimes for fear that it will split up their whole family or worse, the whole community?
To russ | 9:17 a.m. April 9, 2008
And don't blame the stink in the room on someone else.
Three fingers are pointing back at you.
Three fingers are pointing back at you.
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ediddy | 9:12 a.m. April 9, 2008
Larry,
The possible deal with the Baptist busses is this. A government agency steps in and takes custody of children involved in a police action. School busses are available, city busses are available, tour busses are available. It is well known that the religious community in the Eldorado area is unhappy with the Fundamentalists congregating in the area. That story has been reported a number of times before in the media. Seems to be a conflict of interest and a little too convenient that equipment from an opposing religion shows up to facilitate was is arguably a controversial government action.
The possible deal with the Baptist busses is this. A government agency steps in and takes custody of children involved in a police action. School busses are available, city busses are available, tour busses are available. It is well known that the religious community in the Eldorado area is unhappy with the Fundamentalists congregating in the area. That story has been reported a number of times before in the media. Seems to be a conflict of interest and a little too convenient that equipment from an opposing religion shows up to facilitate was is arguably a controversial government action.
chris | 9:18 a.m. April 9, 2008
I am not defending at all the life style or practice, but I found an odd
statement in the investigators paperwork to the court. If you read the report
you will find that the 16 year old girl in one statement says here husband has 7
wifes and in another only has 3? Would you think she knows the correct number?
Could the call have been made by some one just to get law enforcement envolve?
Texan | 9:15 a.m. April 9, 2008
Your story is slightly in error, in more than one place. First of all, 170
people were not moved to a "cattle arena". The building is large and
believe or not, actually has indoor plumbing! As for the "makeshift"
shelter at the fort. Those buildings have housed a lot of people for a lot of
years, first as homes, now as offices and a museum, they're well-built and
air-conditioned. The children have been playing outside and seem to be happy.
They were moved from their home, so of course things aren't going to be
normal, and it would be upsetting to anyone. However, being upset is a lot
better than being physically or sexually abused.
amazed1 | 9:16 a.m. April 9, 2008
"No accurate thinker will judge another person by that which the other
person's enemies say about him." Napoleon Hill
Texan | 9:30 a.m. April 9, 2008
Regarding the buses. Eldorado doesn't have city buses, nor tour buses, and
I'm sure not enough school buses to carry that many people, it's a
very small town. People in Texas come together to help each other, it
doesn't matter what church they go to.
Archaea Cougarguard | 9:32 a.m. April 9, 2008
As a practicing attorney let me assure you the Texas authorities had more than
sufficient probable cause. The safety and welfare of the children are the
issue. Congratulations to Texas for the having the courage Utah lacked.
Re: chris | 9:32 a.m. April 9, 2008
You need to read more carefully... she said her husband "had three other
wives living on the ranch." He could easily have 3 other wives living
somewhere else:
3 at YFZ + caller + 3 wives elsewhere = 7 wives
Whether the call was from an actual victim or from someone just trying to get law enforcement involved doesn't matter. Police were required to follow up on the call and once they discovered evidence of child abuse, they had to take action to prevent further abuse.
3 at YFZ + caller + 3 wives elsewhere = 7 wives
Whether the call was from an actual victim or from someone just trying to get law enforcement involved doesn't matter. Police were required to follow up on the call and once they discovered evidence of child abuse, they had to take action to prevent further abuse.
Sam | 9:47 a.m. April 9, 2008
To Texan
I think that is absurd that the Texans would put these woman into a cattle arena. These woman have been living in nothing but cattle arena all their lives and surrounded by cowardly bulls, not men. That is truly sick!
I think that is absurd that the Texans would put these woman into a cattle arena. These woman have been living in nothing but cattle arena all their lives and surrounded by cowardly bulls, not men. That is truly sick!
Darrel | 9:44 a.m. April 9, 2008
I agree with Motives Debatable. While I whole heartedly agree that the abuse
was wrong, and terrible, to go from 0 to full blown all kids must go seems
extreme.
The greatest tragedy here is what was happening to the victims, however I hope that the American People's Rights.
The greatest tragedy here is what was happening to the victims, however I hope that the American People's Rights.
m | 9:48 a.m. April 9, 2008
Thank you Texas!!!!! It may be a difficult time for the women and children but
if this will protect them from being victims of sexual abuse then it will be
worth it (in time). I don't care if plural marriage is practiced - I care
if it involves young girls. When the "husband" is a middle aged adult
male, that is just sick and wrong. I am sorry but religeous freedoms do not
include statutory rape.
Mona | 9:59 a.m. April 9, 2008
Some of you compare the Texas YFZ situation to government gone wild. Surely the
authorities in Texas have the ability to determine where an emergency phone call
has come from, just as is done in the rest of the country. And since it was
determined to have come from YFZ, should they have simply knocked on the door
and asked the female caller to step forward? Do you think she would have done
so under the pressure of hundreds of fellow YFZs? The only way to determine her
identity was to remove all children, then interview them one by one. If it is
determined that no illegal activity or sexual abuse is occurring, then the
children can be returned to their homes. If the authorities find the law is
indeed being violated, I don't anticipate any of them being returned
because doing so would put the other children at risk of the same type of abuse.
I'm willing | 9:55 a.m. April 9, 2008
Many posters would probably not open their homes if an amber alert were issued
for a neighbor's child who had disappeared. But many of us would open up
our homes in a heartbeat if it would help to protect and rescue a child. For
those who would not open up their homes, you would choose to impede the rescue
of a child. That's sad.
Texan | 10:08 a.m. April 9, 2008
You're right, Sam, it is absurd, it's also incorrect. I don't
know who wrote the story, but they've obviously never been to the area
these women and children were taken to. Apparently the media is more
interested in making a big story, and making a state look bad, than taking the
time to get the story straight.
dingo | 10:10 a.m. April 9, 2008
1) polygamy is against the law. period. that was settled in the 1800's
2) in texas it is illegal fora 14 or 15 year old to marry even with consent. consent implies a willful and knowing choice made by both parties, not force of one.
3) abuse be it physichal, emotional, or mental is also illegal.
what constitutional rights are we disscussing nowhere are any of these behaviors "protected rights." Texas followed procedure. remember to that the FLDS leaders have left one community barren and broken and are now doing it again. thier previous settlement is under trust for a myriad of reasons, thier leader is a convicted rapist and the remaining leaders of this sect or cult or religion were already under investigation.
so where was the Texas error? what did Texas do other than follow its own laws and the laws of this country. the had a signed search warrant from a judge, based on probable cause, that eliminates any 4th ammendment issues. surprise the police found more broken laws and expanded thier search.
this case will work itself out, but rape, abuse, polygamy, are all NOT legal
2) in texas it is illegal fora 14 or 15 year old to marry even with consent. consent implies a willful and knowing choice made by both parties, not force of one.
3) abuse be it physichal, emotional, or mental is also illegal.
what constitutional rights are we disscussing nowhere are any of these behaviors "protected rights." Texas followed procedure. remember to that the FLDS leaders have left one community barren and broken and are now doing it again. thier previous settlement is under trust for a myriad of reasons, thier leader is a convicted rapist and the remaining leaders of this sect or cult or religion were already under investigation.
so where was the Texas error? what did Texas do other than follow its own laws and the laws of this country. the had a signed search warrant from a judge, based on probable cause, that eliminates any 4th ammendment issues. surprise the police found more broken laws and expanded thier search.
this case will work itself out, but rape, abuse, polygamy, are all NOT legal
Bot | 10:19 a.m. April 9, 2008
Now, which situation is more repugnant: teen girls being impregnated in the
inner city by older men, who do not support them, but impregnate them and are
never seen again. The men never support the teen mothers. The children grow up
as welfare queens, criminals, prostitutes, and pimps.
On the other hand, we have a moral, religious, but mis-guided group which condones teens becoming mothers, but the men support their children and give them moral guidance. The childen grow up without becoming criminals, prostitutes, or pimps.
Of course, the gov'ment should prosecute the latter and ignore the former ! ! !
On the other hand, we have a moral, religious, but mis-guided group which condones teens becoming mothers, but the men support their children and give them moral guidance. The childen grow up without becoming criminals, prostitutes, or pimps.
Of course, the gov'ment should prosecute the latter and ignore the former ! ! !
What is the real issue? | 10:19 a.m. April 9, 2008
There are 16 year old girls all over the country with babies and no means to
provide for them, because of non-committed sexual encounters. In this case,
there are 16 year old girls with babies who are being cared for by someone with
a life-long committment to care for them. I would guess most of them, maybe
nearly all of them, are loved and happy. One girl (unconfirmed) cried abuse.
They are looking for one rotten abusive man. Instead, hundreds of children have
had their worlds smashed to bits in one day. Lifestyle doesn't
automatically equal danger or unhappiness. Protect them from what? If they are
raised that it's nice to have children while you're young, then they
will feel happy and safe having children while they're young. I have
observed mothers and daughters acting like sisters in completely happy, safe,
loving situations. They are just DIFFERENT from us. Apart from isolated cases
of actual harm which should be prosecuted, what's the big deal? What is
the real issue? They are letting the hammer fall on a world of innocent kids,
hauling them off to the unknown because of one (unconfirmed) report of one
(unconfirmed) rotten sick abusive man.
Not of God | 10:21 a.m. April 9, 2008
This goes to show Americans that there are still hidden perversion and cults
even in our own great American society. It is every man and womans duty to bring
these things out into the open so that this sort of abuse can be prevented.
Polygamy is not religion. It is PERVERSION! Slavery was abolished long ago and
this should not be happening in our society to innocent women.
Unbelieveable | 10:31 a.m. April 9, 2008
I was equally outraged when federal agents killed many members of the Branch
Davidians years ago as I am watching this disaster in TX. Yes, this girl's
phone call should have triggered an investigation, and if her allegations are
true several people should be put in jail for the actions.
But to come into private property and haul away 400+ children because of that call is ridiculous. Yes, these people are different...even a little weird. Yes, some of their practices are abusive and should be stopped. Yet, the overuse and abuse of power here by the state of TX should shock anyone's conscience.
If anyone reading this thinks that these children will be better off in the foster care system of the state of Texas, they're delusional. If you want to hear stories of neglect and abuse, just talk to someone who spent much time in a state's foster care.
The real issue people have with the FLDS is that they're different, and they don't conform to societal definitions of "normal." So what? Why are people so afraid of someone who is different?
Prosecute those who break the law, but let the rest of them be.
But to come into private property and haul away 400+ children because of that call is ridiculous. Yes, these people are different...even a little weird. Yes, some of their practices are abusive and should be stopped. Yet, the overuse and abuse of power here by the state of TX should shock anyone's conscience.
If anyone reading this thinks that these children will be better off in the foster care system of the state of Texas, they're delusional. If you want to hear stories of neglect and abuse, just talk to someone who spent much time in a state's foster care.
The real issue people have with the FLDS is that they're different, and they don't conform to societal definitions of "normal." So what? Why are people so afraid of someone who is different?
Prosecute those who break the law, but let the rest of them be.
T | 10:28 a.m. April 9, 2008
I thought slavery was abolished and pedophilia was against the law. When did
that change?
The Man from Mancos | 10:36 a.m. April 9, 2008
Now that this in the open especially the part described on TV by a couple of
former lady members who described their frightening growing up years..by stating
their horror of not being able to sleep at nite as they had to listen for the
dreaded footsteps comming down the hall created by some old fart. I am going to
invite those ladies over this way to retell their story to our town as this same
group is setting about getting something going outside our town of Mancos ,
colorado. And you can bet your bottom the real men folk around here won't
put up such nonsense niether. I don't see no Christlike behavior in this so
it is time to be like Barney Fife of the Andy of Mayberry show and "Nip IT!
..NIP
IT! NIP IT in the BUD!
IT! NIP IT in the BUD!
Re: "the real issue" & "Bot" | 10:42 a.m. April 9, 2008
DUH!!!
The real issue is what it is! If the girls and women felt loved, why would they attempt to escape like so many have?? If the environment were a healthy one, why would teenage boys be kicked out because there was a lack of females for them, while old, adult men have several?? If they were not afraid of their members seeing the real truth of the "outside" (not just what they have brainwashed them to believe), why threaten them with what will happen "if"? If this were a healthy situation, there would be stories of people who have left speaking fondly of their previous life!! Not one has!!! It is not a matter of difference, it is a matter of WRONG!!
And, of course, the government should prosecute everyone and anyone who is sick enough to do this!! End of discussion! There should not be any justification involved! Be it religion, standards or otherwise! It is wrong, Wrong, WRONG!!!
The real issue is what it is! If the girls and women felt loved, why would they attempt to escape like so many have?? If the environment were a healthy one, why would teenage boys be kicked out because there was a lack of females for them, while old, adult men have several?? If they were not afraid of their members seeing the real truth of the "outside" (not just what they have brainwashed them to believe), why threaten them with what will happen "if"? If this were a healthy situation, there would be stories of people who have left speaking fondly of their previous life!! Not one has!!! It is not a matter of difference, it is a matter of WRONG!!
And, of course, the government should prosecute everyone and anyone who is sick enough to do this!! End of discussion! There should not be any justification involved! Be it religion, standards or otherwise! It is wrong, Wrong, WRONG!!!
Stu | 10:51 a.m. April 9, 2008
They broke rule numero uno: Don't mess with Texas!
Re: What is the real issue? | 10:46 a.m. April 9, 2008
What ridiculous logic. Isn't denial a river in Egypt?
I suppose if you're so blind or biased as to ignore 99% of the evidence in this case, you can come to the conclusion that "the real issue" is simply a case of one older man getting a one young girl pregnant.
"unconfirmed report"??? That's why we have a legal system to investigate "unconfirmed reports," to determine the facts, and to put suspected criminals on trial to determine their guilt or innocence.
I suppose if you're so blind or biased as to ignore 99% of the evidence in this case, you can come to the conclusion that "the real issue" is simply a case of one older man getting a one young girl pregnant.
"unconfirmed report"??? That's why we have a legal system to investigate "unconfirmed reports," to determine the facts, and to put suspected criminals on trial to determine their guilt or innocence.
Karen | 10:51 a.m. April 9, 2008
Way to go Texas! Wake up Utah!
Granny T. | 10:53 a.m. April 9, 2008
Oh my goodness all the way around!!!!
Karen | 10:53 a.m. April 9, 2008
Way to go Texas!!!
Granny T. | 10:59 a.m. April 9, 2008
A MESS. I left that out.
Too "The moral of the story 9:08 | 10:56 a.m. April 9, 2008
Maybe I was over the line comparing this raid to the over-reaction in Waco.
Maybe this one will be posted.
I don't agree the moral of the story is "Don't break the law in Texas". FLDS have been breaking the law in Texas for years.
The moral of the story is, "Watch out if someone in Texas calls DFS on you (and you are a member of a wacky cult)".
This is not something for Texans to thump their chest over. They don't have a great track record when it comes to dealing with wacky religious groups that don't mesh well with the predominant religion (remember Waco).
I don't agree the moral of the story is "Don't break the law in Texas". FLDS have been breaking the law in Texas for years.
The moral of the story is, "Watch out if someone in Texas calls DFS on you (and you are a member of a wacky cult)".
This is not something for Texans to thump their chest over. They don't have a great track record when it comes to dealing with wacky religious groups that don't mesh well with the predominant religion (remember Waco).
Re: Unbelieveable | 11:01 a.m. April 9, 2008
The real issue isn't that the FLDS people are different, the real issue is
that they promote and tolerate institutionalized sex slavery and child abuse.
The children may appear neat and tidy and well-mannered, but the abuse that is going on behind closed doors is sickening.
This is supposed to be a free country. What "right" do the adults in the FLDS community have to force children into arranged marriages?
The children may appear neat and tidy and well-mannered, but the abuse that is going on behind closed doors is sickening.
This is supposed to be a free country. What "right" do the adults in the FLDS community have to force children into arranged marriages?
Peter | 11:32 a.m. April 9, 2008
I agree with Unbelievable. As a freedom loving people we should be as outraged
as the supposed crimes that have been committed. What kind of search warrant
would allow that broad of a search and that large of a seizure of children. The
question that ultimately needs to be asked is who do these children belong to?
The parents or the state? Wake up America. Time is running out on freedom!!!
moral guidance? | 11:39 a.m. April 9, 2008
Bot:
I guess if you consider the following moral guidance:
1) to the daughter: when you're 14, we will spiritually marry you to an older man who is not of your choice. You will submit to him in every way, including sexually, and bear children whether you choose to or not.
2) to the son: you are not wanted here because you will take pretty young girls that the dirty old men want. So, you will be thrown into the street with nothing but the clothes on your back. Good luck!!
If you consider that moral guidance, then I guess you're right.
And, by the way, inner city men who impregnate young girls are prosecuted for statutory rape. They are prosecuted exactly as often as FLDS men who impregnate young girls: every time they are identified and caught.
I guess if you consider the following moral guidance:
1) to the daughter: when you're 14, we will spiritually marry you to an older man who is not of your choice. You will submit to him in every way, including sexually, and bear children whether you choose to or not.
2) to the son: you are not wanted here because you will take pretty young girls that the dirty old men want. So, you will be thrown into the street with nothing but the clothes on your back. Good luck!!
If you consider that moral guidance, then I guess you're right.
And, by the way, inner city men who impregnate young girls are prosecuted for statutory rape. They are prosecuted exactly as often as FLDS men who impregnate young girls: every time they are identified and caught.
Reader | 11:37 a.m. April 9, 2008
Whether Texas was prepared to act on a moment's notice or not, I am glad
the state moved in will take care of this problem. This isn't about
religion. This whole culture, in my opinion, has little to do with the religion
of these people. It is about power, abuse- sexual and otherwise-- brainwashing,
and holding people against their will within the walls of these compounds. I
praise Texas for taking action to clean up this mess and wish Utah and Arizona
would take similar action to wipe out this bizarre, abusive, criminal way of
life in Hildale and Colorado City.
TX didn't drop the ball | 11:48 a.m. April 9, 2008
"This is not something for Texans to thump their chest over. They
don't have a great track record when it comes to dealing with wacky
religious groups that don't mesh well with the predominant religion
(remember Waco)."
The State of Texas was not responsible for the tragedy in Waco; the federal government and specifically Janet Reno's Justice Department dropped the ball there; the local Texas authorities had been getting along with them just fine, as Koresh came into town shopping quite often.
You can blame the FBI, the BATF, and US Army SFODD for what happened at Waco...and Bill Clinton. The federal government wanted to send a message to the self-reliant, rural-type gun owners; they did so at Ruby Ridge and at Waco, and the resulting backlash cooled their jets, so to speak. That and the Oklahoma City Incident.
The State of Texas was not responsible for the tragedy in Waco; the federal government and specifically Janet Reno's Justice Department dropped the ball there; the local Texas authorities had been getting along with them just fine, as Koresh came into town shopping quite often.
You can blame the FBI, the BATF, and US Army SFODD for what happened at Waco...and Bill Clinton. The federal government wanted to send a message to the self-reliant, rural-type gun owners; they did so at Ruby Ridge and at Waco, and the resulting backlash cooled their jets, so to speak. That and the Oklahoma City Incident.
John D | 11:43 a.m. April 9, 2008
911........I agree.
This kind of abuse has been going on for a long time in Texas, Utah and Arizona (most likely other states) and law enforcement (who in many cases know it's going on), along with the Attorney Generals of each state, need to aggressively get these child abusers off the streets and in jail where they belong. And, what about this Jeffords guy? He needs to be handcuffed and charged since I would guess, like Warren Jeff's, he has got to know this is going on as sanctions it. And, what about the women who standby and allow this to happen, as well. Certainly as adults, they bear some responsibility too? Just some thoughts.
This kind of abuse has been going on for a long time in Texas, Utah and Arizona (most likely other states) and law enforcement (who in many cases know it's going on), along with the Attorney Generals of each state, need to aggressively get these child abusers off the streets and in jail where they belong. And, what about this Jeffords guy? He needs to be handcuffed and charged since I would guess, like Warren Jeff's, he has got to know this is going on as sanctions it. And, what about the women who standby and allow this to happen, as well. Certainly as adults, they bear some responsibility too? Just some thoughts.
s bird | 11:49 a.m. April 9, 2008
i think this is an outrage! who would do something so incredibly sick?
Major Difference | 11:50 a.m. April 9, 2008
For all of you who keep talking about how great Texas is in doing what Utah and
Arizona should have done, consider this fact. In Utah and Arizona these people
live in individual homes in a city. When they moved to Texas, they made a major
mistake. They moved to and live on piece of privately owned property. All Texas
needed to do was get one search warant for one property where they were all
living.
I doubt that their is any Judge in this country that would sign a search warant for an entire city, multiple properties, based on the allegations of one call from one property.
The FLDS sealed their own fate with that move. However, Texas would not have been able to do what they are doing had they moved into an incorporated city and individually owned the houses in Texas.
I doubt that their is any Judge in this country that would sign a search warant for an entire city, multiple properties, based on the allegations of one call from one property.
The FLDS sealed their own fate with that move. However, Texas would not have been able to do what they are doing had they moved into an incorporated city and individually owned the houses in Texas.
Re: Peter | 12:04 p.m. April 9, 2008
So as "owner" of your children, do you believe that you have the
"right" to force your 15-year-old daughters to "marry"
whomever you choose and to immediately begin having babies?
The search warrant authorized the search for the victim and evidence of the abuse. When the search turned up evidence that other children were possibly being abused, did you want the Texas authorities to simply turn their backs on those children? Wake up Peter!!! America wasn't founded on the freedom to abuse children.
The search warrant authorized the search for the victim and evidence of the abuse. When the search turned up evidence that other children were possibly being abused, did you want the Texas authorities to simply turn their backs on those children? Wake up Peter!!! America wasn't founded on the freedom to abuse children.
Horph34 | 12:06 p.m. April 9, 2008
I had no problem with what the FLDS people were doing until I heard that
they had "exiled" all of the sexualy mature boys. Clearly it's
nothing more a big sex cult with the old men there wanting all the little girls
to themselves.
Having daughters so that they can swap them with their buddies... Gross.
Having daughters so that they can swap them with their buddies... Gross.
Judy | 12:20 p.m. April 9, 2008
TO russ YOU ARE A BOLD FACE LIAR!
south alberta | 12:22 p.m. April 9, 2008
These people are getting paid welfare from the state and this is cheating . The
males who fathered these children should be paying not the state treasurey
.Come on Utah wake up.I read some say these children don't look abused.
Mental abuse has no visable scares that's the grim side to this type of
abuse.
Leroy Chamberlin | 12:19 p.m. April 9, 2008
test.
waco | 12:20 p.m. April 9, 2008
well, at least they didn't just roll tanks over them and burn the entire
complex to the ground. We've come along way in Nazi civility since Janet
Reno.
Gwen Kimble | 12:26 p.m. April 9, 2008
Fight to your death to keep all those children SAFE
texas citizen | 12:32 p.m. April 9, 2008
I am in awe of the posters here. You all seem to know just what went on in this
closed compound and exactly what is in the warrant and all that was found upon
entering . You all seem to know that an arena is for cattle this one is
comparable to your conference centers in Utah. All all of you are sure that the
400+ are unhappy and scared in the outside world. Me I only know what I have
read or heard so I think until all the court cases have taken place I will wait
to judge the State of Texas. In my opinion it is better to err on the side of
caution than leave one child or women who may be abused behind. I will pray for
all involved and for you posters also that in time all will become clear and no
one else will ever suffer from mans indiscretions again. At this time advocates
have been court appointed for each child these are not CPS,lawyers, or cops they
are the child's representative for fair justice in the best interest of the
child. Let the system work right or wrong it is our system.
Section 132 | 12:38 p.m. April 9, 2008
is very relevant. Verse 7. Only one man on earth at any time has that authority,
and it isn't Warren Jeffs. Utah and Arizona must do as Texas has done and
stop the predatory and abusive behavior of the FLDS. What they believe makes no
difference -- it is violation of the law and of the rights of children.
too "Horph34 12:06" | 12:54 p.m. April 9, 2008
Don't believe all the rumors you hear. Get some facts (not just from rabid
people who run to the media with an ax to grind).
I don't expect you to believe me, but it's not true that "All sexually mature males are exiled".
From what I understand, they can get exiled if they are using drugs, going apostate, etc. Not just because they are sexually mature.
This is how misinformation gets started.
I get the feeling you also imagine a large number of exiled boys. In reality it isn't so large. There is a home to help the "lost-boys" who will come forward in Utah, and it isn't a big one.
I also don't think it's as difficult to leave these families as people are lead to believe. I know many people who have left (nobody hunted them down and dragged them back), and I know a few who decided it is right for them. I know some adults and some children raised in this culture, I don't know any (Personally) that claim to have been abused. I realise they could be in denial but I KNOW some of the people going on network news are telling stories.
I don't expect you to believe me, but it's not true that "All sexually mature males are exiled".
From what I understand, they can get exiled if they are using drugs, going apostate, etc. Not just because they are sexually mature.
This is how misinformation gets started.
I get the feeling you also imagine a large number of exiled boys. In reality it isn't so large. There is a home to help the "lost-boys" who will come forward in Utah, and it isn't a big one.
I also don't think it's as difficult to leave these families as people are lead to believe. I know many people who have left (nobody hunted them down and dragged them back), and I know a few who decided it is right for them. I know some adults and some children raised in this culture, I don't know any (Personally) that claim to have been abused. I realise they could be in denial but I KNOW some of the people going on network news are telling stories.
Double Standard | 12:49 p.m. April 9, 2008
Some of the posters seems to have a double standard.
They complain that Texas authorities "have gone wild" in going into this complex.
While on the other hand they want to imprison any "Predator" who has moleste any underage child.
Is this not what these men are doing, wheather it was consenual or not?
I know what would happen if someone did to my daugthers what these men did to these children. The law would be the least of their worries.
They complain that Texas authorities "have gone wild" in going into this complex.
While on the other hand they want to imprison any "Predator" who has moleste any underage child.
Is this not what these men are doing, wheather it was consenual or not?
I know what would happen if someone did to my daugthers what these men did to these children. The law would be the least of their worries.
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