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Now we know | 6:38 a.m. April 8, 2008
They kept telling us "It's not about the money." Now we see that
it really is. Can we vote again? Please!
Vor | 7:59 a.m. April 8, 2008
If it is not about the money why do you want in the east side pocket? personally
I was against the split.There should have been funding built into the new houses
that went up. But those who bought did not want to pay either. Who is the greedy
one?
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Anti Split | 8:10 a.m. April 8, 2008
First they wouldn't even let us vote, now they want us to pay so they can
leave? I say, they are leaving the district. If they want the schools in their
area, they should have to buy them from the existing district at today's
pricing. They should get nothing! As for me, once this split happens, I will
no longer support east side business!
KF | 8:30 a.m. April 8, 2008
so let me get this straight, the district votes for a bond to build schools,
most of which are on the west side due to their explosive growth. The new
district, who does not benefit from the bond wants those who are benefitting
from the bond to pay their fair share. What an outrage!
BTW, where is that new middle school for Draper that was promised when we voted for this bond. Oh yeah, the district decided that the west side needed it more.
I believe the west side greed is what needs to be checked at the door for these negotiations.
BTW, where is that new middle school for Draper that was promised when we voted for this bond. Oh yeah, the district decided that the west side needed it more.
I believe the west side greed is what needs to be checked at the door for these negotiations.
John W | 8:47 a.m. April 8, 2008
This is just another example of the rich getting richer. This all about the
east side greed and elitism. The legislature, in their short sighted, arrogant
way, made this ill advised split possible. Their attitude is "trust us, we
know best". No doubt, the east side, with their money and influence, will
now hire their high priced attorneys and get what they want. Some things never
change.
Who's greedy? | 8:51 a.m. April 8, 2008
It was the west-side that out-and-out rejected this proposal at a meeting their
own two-member negotiating team couldn't attend. It was a reasonable
compromise proffered by two of their own team members as well as two on the
east-side. It was a compromise that provided the west-side with 2/3 of the
assets even though the east will serve almost half of the students. But the
west-side transition team members said two-thirds wasn't enough. They
wanted more. Their focus was only on politically pleasing their west-side
constituents -- not the necessity of making both districts viable. There are
thousands of children on both sides of the district who need educational
services. To reject the compromise without putting forward any other alternative
is not only damaging -- but yes, greedy.
Anonymous | 8:53 a.m. April 8, 2008
Thanks to the split the bonds had to be issued early. That is what happened to
the Draper Middle School. It wasn't yet needed, but probably would have
been needed before some other West side schools if we had time.
Anonymous | 8:54 a.m. April 8, 2008
Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me! Yes, the west side is dealing with
tremendous growth. Well, guess what. Little old Draper has experienced that
same growth. Where is the promised middle school? Where is the promised high
school? Oh, I'm so sorry! We can't build a middle school in Draper,
even though it is desperately needed. We can't build a high school,
either. Why? The west side needs the buildings more, so no funding is
available for the east side.
People can say what they want to. Even though most administrators would not admit it, future funding for building in the district SPLIT OR NO SPLIT is overwhelmingly allocated to the west side.
Read the minutes of the board meetings. They tell a similar story.
People can say what they want to. Even though most administrators would not admit it, future funding for building in the district SPLIT OR NO SPLIT is overwhelmingly allocated to the west side.
Read the minutes of the board meetings. They tell a similar story.
Hope Granite is listening | 8:56 a.m. April 8, 2008
This mess could be repeated if Granite's east side isn't paying
attention. What a joke.
Z | 9:25 a.m. April 8, 2008
I have to laugh when I read all of the East-sider comments accusing the
West-siders of greed. Well, excuse us for not wanting to fund your new school
district. No matter how this turns out, our taxes will go up, and yours will go
down. This is not a temporary issue, but a long-term problem that will affect
the quality of education on the west side for decades to come.
This is the ONLY voice we have had to this point on this issue. Since you all decided unilaterally to raise our taxes for us last November, the least we can do is return the favor.
This is the ONLY voice we have had to this point on this issue. Since you all decided unilaterally to raise our taxes for us last November, the least we can do is return the favor.
Anonymous | 9:23 a.m. April 8, 2008
The so-called Draper High School was not on the docket to be built in 2003, the
middle school was. Let's not be making things up to make it sound worse
than it is.
That Middle school isn't yet needed. But it sure will be in less than five years. The East will have to issue a bond election to pay for it. I am sorry that the school lacked funds, but because of the greed of a small amount of people we all are going to suffer. If only people waited for facts before rushing to vote for a split.
That Middle school isn't yet needed. But it sure will be in less than five years. The East will have to issue a bond election to pay for it. I am sorry that the school lacked funds, but because of the greed of a small amount of people we all are going to suffer. If only people waited for facts before rushing to vote for a split.
Anonymous | 9:34 a.m. April 8, 2008
Draper has some new schools. Oak Hollow and Willow Sprongs have been built
since 2000 right? I don't see what the fuss is about. Shouldn't a
school be built where it is needed most? If a District issued bonds to build
schools where it is less needed that would make them wasteful spenders.
Mister X | 9:35 a.m. April 8, 2008
This will cost the East side more in arbitration. They have more of the
District level buildings than the West and the schools are going to stay on the
sides they reside. The money they are trying to steal has been spent or will be
spent by the time the District is split in 2009. The only way they can get the
money is if they get a court order injunction to stop the building.
Just how selfish is the East going to be?
Just how selfish is the East going to be?
whineblog | 9:52 a.m. April 8, 2008
Z and others: Despite your protests, the only way YOUR taxes will be raised is
if YOU vote to do so. YOU will have the opportunity to say if you value your
children/schools enough (just as in the past) to pay more in property taxes.
That choice has nothing to do with the new district othe than -perhaps- the
timing.
I find it amazing that there are still those ignorant enough to suggest anyone pay for schools they've already paid for once!
I find it amazing that the remaining district team thinks that somehow the proposal put forth by good negotiaion was "not fair" even though their people worked hard for an equitable solution.
Getting 2/3 of everything when you've barely paid for 1/3 of it isn't such a bad deal. Getting 67% of everything for a mere 57% of the students isn't such a bad deal. Either way, the west comes out ahead.
The only part of the agreement the west-side didn't like? Letting the very taxpayers that will be paying $112 million in taxes over the next 15 years actually have access to their own taxes....
Now, how do you define "greed" again?!
I find it amazing that there are still those ignorant enough to suggest anyone pay for schools they've already paid for once!
I find it amazing that the remaining district team thinks that somehow the proposal put forth by good negotiaion was "not fair" even though their people worked hard for an equitable solution.
Getting 2/3 of everything when you've barely paid for 1/3 of it isn't such a bad deal. Getting 67% of everything for a mere 57% of the students isn't such a bad deal. Either way, the west comes out ahead.
The only part of the agreement the west-side didn't like? Letting the very taxpayers that will be paying $112 million in taxes over the next 15 years actually have access to their own taxes....
Now, how do you define "greed" again?!
This IS Greed | 10:36 a.m. April 8, 2008
Whineblog,
As long as everyone pays for the bond no one will be paying extra. However the East wants out of the bond leaving the West with the entire remaining bill. Don't you see that? The schools will be finished about the time the split is to be finalized. They have to be paid for. If The East gets the cash that was supposed to pay for the building, how else will JSD pay for it?
Greed is demanding money that is being currently used for schools being built because they aren't the ones in your neighborhood, despite having voted for the bond in 2003. Greed is fully knowing that by taking that money those schools cannot be completed. Greed is caring only about yourself. That describes the few who callously dsired the split, then went after the cash.
The previous poster says the West comes out ahead by this. They don't come out ahead even if the cash is off the table. The District infrastructure is almost exclusively on the East. That has to built on the West for it to be "even".
As long as everyone pays for the bond no one will be paying extra. However the East wants out of the bond leaving the West with the entire remaining bill. Don't you see that? The schools will be finished about the time the split is to be finalized. They have to be paid for. If The East gets the cash that was supposed to pay for the building, how else will JSD pay for it?
Greed is demanding money that is being currently used for schools being built because they aren't the ones in your neighborhood, despite having voted for the bond in 2003. Greed is fully knowing that by taking that money those schools cannot be completed. Greed is caring only about yourself. That describes the few who callously dsired the split, then went after the cash.
The previous poster says the West comes out ahead by this. They don't come out ahead even if the cash is off the table. The District infrastructure is almost exclusively on the East. That has to built on the West for it to be "even".
George | 10:37 a.m. April 8, 2008
The small group (equal number from each transition team) presented a proposal to
divide up JSD assets to both East and West. The full West side transition team
then met (when their 2 reps from the small group could not attend) and voted to
reject the proposal. The $112 million has nothing to do with the bond (which,
by the way, was presented to voters in 2003 as giving some money for a middle
school in Draper, which was then taken away to fund 8 schools on the West side,
which is unfair in itself, but another story for another day)but represents
liquid assets that could be easily transferrable (in lieu of land, etc) to the
East. Still, with this "payoff", the West is getting 2/3 of the valued
assets while the East gets only 1/3. Re the date, the transition teams (by law)
are to complete their divisions of assets by Aug 1 2008. During the last hours
of the legislature, the date (which would identify which assets are to be
divided) was changed to Nov 2009 - 3 mos after the new district begins its
education services and more than 1 year after the transition team finishes.
Truth Speaker | 10:55 a.m. April 8, 2008
George,
The 112 comes from the 196 million in bonds issued last year as part of the 2003 Bond election. That has been stated numerous times in the news. If that information isn't correct, could you inform the media?
While it is sad the Draper Middle school had to be shelved, something had to give when needs were considered. This always happens as costs go up, and districts wait to build because the operating costs would be too high till the school is built. It happened the last bond too. Instead of trying to justify why the East should get more (while ignoring that it has less kids to educate), why not put a bond election out so the school can be built?
Keep in mind that the money being talked about is going to be spent on the current projects before the date you stated. Those schools will be complete and filled with students.
The 112 comes from the 196 million in bonds issued last year as part of the 2003 Bond election. That has been stated numerous times in the news. If that information isn't correct, could you inform the media?
While it is sad the Draper Middle school had to be shelved, something had to give when needs were considered. This always happens as costs go up, and districts wait to build because the operating costs would be too high till the school is built. It happened the last bond too. Instead of trying to justify why the East should get more (while ignoring that it has less kids to educate), why not put a bond election out so the school can be built?
Keep in mind that the money being talked about is going to be spent on the current projects before the date you stated. Those schools will be complete and filled with students.
Realism | 11:25 a.m. April 8, 2008
Let's see if this really adds up.
East
119 Million in Bond money
All schools in the new boundary
All District Offices
Alt HS
Special Program Center at 9400 S.
Parking Garage
West
76 Million in Bond money
All schools in the new boundary
Special Program Center on Redwood
Alt HS currently being built
Seems to me this proposal isn't balanced at all. The East get all the District infrastructure and the majority of cash for current building projects. The West that is building with that bond money the East wants will still have to make up the 115 million shortfall as well as build a new headquarters. No court would ever agree this is a fair proposal.
East
119 Million in Bond money
All schools in the new boundary
All District Offices
Alt HS
Special Program Center at 9400 S.
Parking Garage
West
76 Million in Bond money
All schools in the new boundary
Special Program Center on Redwood
Alt HS currently being built
Seems to me this proposal isn't balanced at all. The East get all the District infrastructure and the majority of cash for current building projects. The West that is building with that bond money the East wants will still have to make up the 115 million shortfall as well as build a new headquarters. No court would ever agree this is a fair proposal.
Asset Dividing | 11:38 a.m. April 8, 2008
George,
The original legislation had the split date of 2007 despite the split not occurring until 2009. The original date made no sense. It is like dividing the assets of Grandpa before he dies, ignoring the changes in his assets to pay for medical bills, nursing homes, assisted living, or whatever. It makes sense to split the assets based on what is there versus what was there 15 months prior to his death.
The East side wanted to split and incur the costs, so let them go and have a good time. They want to have their cake and eat it too by changing the rules after they voted to split, to let them deal with the consequences of their choices. That education will be valuable lesson for their kids to not make choices until facts are known.
The original legislation had the split date of 2007 despite the split not occurring until 2009. The original date made no sense. It is like dividing the assets of Grandpa before he dies, ignoring the changes in his assets to pay for medical bills, nursing homes, assisted living, or whatever. It makes sense to split the assets based on what is there versus what was there 15 months prior to his death.
The East side wanted to split and incur the costs, so let them go and have a good time. They want to have their cake and eat it too by changing the rules after they voted to split, to let them deal with the consequences of their choices. That education will be valuable lesson for their kids to not make choices until facts are known.
Peanut Gallery | 11:55 a.m. April 8, 2008
Big money is being spent on all this nonsense by those people we've
entrusted to take care of our children in our school systems. Hopefully, someone
will remember the children in all this mess and do what is right for them, not
what is right for just the East side or the West side!
Mr. IS Greed | 11:56 a.m. April 8, 2008
"However the East wants out of the bond leaving the West with the entire
remaining bill." There is no "way out" of the bond. It's
passed. True to west-side mantra you insist that the only NEEDS of the district
are on the west side so you should have a right to all current/future money from
that bond - you want 100% of the proceeds from 43% of the obligation. There are
needs on the east side too - just as valid as those on the west. Those needs
being IGNORED is what precipitated the vote to create a new district. Dont you
see that?
"The schools will be finished about the time the split is to be finalized." This statement is a complete falsehood.
The proposal only used the bond money as a reference and allowed for other methods to equalize the asset division.
I can't wait until October when everyone gets their property tax notice, notices that taxes went WAY up (due to this issuance by the current JSD for those bonds) and then tries to blame it on the new district (which won't be operating yet).
"The schools will be finished about the time the split is to be finalized." This statement is a complete falsehood.
The proposal only used the bond money as a reference and allowed for other methods to equalize the asset division.
I can't wait until October when everyone gets their property tax notice, notices that taxes went WAY up (due to this issuance by the current JSD for those bonds) and then tries to blame it on the new district (which won't be operating yet).
Ed | 12:05 p.m. April 8, 2008
Bottom line: Blame all of this mess on those people on the eastside who wanted
their own little "kingdom" to run as a school district. Let's
don't put the blame anywhere else except on them, and I am still hoping
that the 10th District Court of Appeals rules that this split vote was
unconstitutional. It could still end up back to square one. What they should
THEN do is increase the number of members who serve on the JSD board, based on
population in the different areas of the district. That is how it SHOULD have
ended up in the first place.
Truth speaker | 12:11 p.m. April 8, 2008
Mr. I. S. Greed,
Don't ignore the needs on the East. That will be your problem in the future since you voted to leave. Pass a bond. Pay for it. The bond in question met most of your needs, and most of the West's needs. Sorry it wasn't able to meet all of them. Don't blame the West for your choice.
The East is getting all the Infrastructure as it is. The West gets a lot of schools that are full. The East gets some full schools, and some that have plenty of room. The West is being shortchanged even before talking about bond money.
Schools take eighteen months to build. Sorry to burst your bubble, but what I said was correct. Those schools will be built almost completely by the time the split happens, hence the money spent.
Don't ignore the needs on the East. That will be your problem in the future since you voted to leave. Pass a bond. Pay for it. The bond in question met most of your needs, and most of the West's needs. Sorry it wasn't able to meet all of them. Don't blame the West for your choice.
The East is getting all the Infrastructure as it is. The West gets a lot of schools that are full. The East gets some full schools, and some that have plenty of room. The West is being shortchanged even before talking about bond money.
Schools take eighteen months to build. Sorry to burst your bubble, but what I said was correct. Those schools will be built almost completely by the time the split happens, hence the money spent.
Anonymous | 12:20 p.m. April 8, 2008
Mr. Greed,
I am not looking forward to the increased taxes, but I voted for the bonds. I do not agree that the East should get the majority of proceeds from the bonds, and no reasonable person would believe so either.
The East is obligated to pay. They no longer have a say in how those bonds would be used as they no longer are JSD. Taking that money from JSD is wrong.
I am not looking forward to the increased taxes, but I voted for the bonds. I do not agree that the East should get the majority of proceeds from the bonds, and no reasonable person would believe so either.
The East is obligated to pay. They no longer have a say in how those bonds would be used as they no longer are JSD. Taking that money from JSD is wrong.
WJ | 12:36 p.m. April 8, 2008
In the mid 1700s, the British army came to the defense of American colonists in
the western frontier against the French and their Indian allies. The British
government needed a way to pay for this war, so they started tax policies that
the colonists found reprehensible because they were not represented in
Parliament; they were not allowed to vote on the taxes. Thus our revolution was
born.
The colonists benefited from the protection provided by the British army, and King George and Parliament viewed the taxes needed to pay for the war as fair and within their authority.
The west side has benefited from taxes paid by the east side over the years, but was given no voice in the district split just as the colonists benefited from the British army but was not allowed a vote in how to pay for it. Can�t you understand the frustration we have when faced with increased taxes when we had no voice in the matter? Or would you rather be absorbed back into the British Empire because out split 200+ years ago was not for valid reasons?
The colonists benefited from the protection provided by the British army, and King George and Parliament viewed the taxes needed to pay for the war as fair and within their authority.
The west side has benefited from taxes paid by the east side over the years, but was given no voice in the district split just as the colonists benefited from the British army but was not allowed a vote in how to pay for it. Can�t you understand the frustration we have when faced with increased taxes when we had no voice in the matter? Or would you rather be absorbed back into the British Empire because out split 200+ years ago was not for valid reasons?
Rich | 12:55 p.m. April 8, 2008
This entire issue is about money. Face it. The Boston Tea Party was about
money. The Revolutionary War was about money because the Americans wanted
independence from Britain's taxes. The Civil War was about money because
the Southern states wanted to maintain their plantation lifestyle, which was
based on slavery. I'm opposed to tax increases of any kind. The
government is getting an automatic increase every year based on growth and
inflation, so why do they need to raise the rates on top of that? Turn over the
school districts to private enterprise and they would find ways to provide a
better education and more services for less money. For example, classrooms
mostly sit empty on weekends, and gyms in middle schools and elementary schools
get little use every night. Does anybody realize the millions and millions of
dollars that could be brought in by utilizing unused resources. That's
just one example of what a private enterprise would consider. I myself am
opposed to local school boards entirely because a state school board could do
just as well if not better and at a far lower administrative cost per student or
per taxpayer. "Local control" has never benefited me.
George | 1:07 p.m. April 8, 2008
To "Truth Speaker": You need to read the 2 page report. Anticipating
that the bond proceeds may have all be obligated, it provided a way to pay the
$112 mill through land or other assets.
To "Asset Dividing": The Oct 31 07 date you refer to was to lock in a time for the transition team to identify assets to be divided. As it is now, with the Nov 09 date, they are required to divide assets by Aug 08 that won't even be identified until Nov 09.
As an East sider, I could have accepted the negociated agreement - even though the West would have gotten 2/3 and the East on 1/3. But since the West rejected the recommendation of their 2 negociators, I'm happy this is headed to arbitration. Maybe the result will be closer to a 50/50 split.
To "Asset Dividing": The Oct 31 07 date you refer to was to lock in a time for the transition team to identify assets to be divided. As it is now, with the Nov 09 date, they are required to divide assets by Aug 08 that won't even be identified until Nov 09.
As an East sider, I could have accepted the negociated agreement - even though the West would have gotten 2/3 and the East on 1/3. But since the West rejected the recommendation of their 2 negociators, I'm happy this is headed to arbitration. Maybe the result will be closer to a 50/50 split.
Mister X | 1:17 p.m. April 8, 2008
WJ,
I could have sworn that the East side 'colonists' voted for the school board as did the people from the entire district. I also had this inkling that they had a fair shair of representatives in their cities and on that board just like the West. So how does the Revolutionary War compare if the East has been more than fairly represented? It doesn't.
This separation is more akin to the Civil War. The South feeling they were losing state rights (specifically Slavery), ceceded from the United States to create their own country. The East feeling threatened by the growing West ceceded to save money. The only difference between succession and district spliting is that our legislature approved the concept.
The East has benefited from the West over the years, and the West from the East. This whole issue seems to be centered around the East's lack of desire to pay taxes to something they have less a benefit from. Will they declare themselves an independent sovernty next, absolved of State of Federal taxes too? It is just as rediculous as their current arguments.
I could have sworn that the East side 'colonists' voted for the school board as did the people from the entire district. I also had this inkling that they had a fair shair of representatives in their cities and on that board just like the West. So how does the Revolutionary War compare if the East has been more than fairly represented? It doesn't.
This separation is more akin to the Civil War. The South feeling they were losing state rights (specifically Slavery), ceceded from the United States to create their own country. The East feeling threatened by the growing West ceceded to save money. The only difference between succession and district spliting is that our legislature approved the concept.
The East has benefited from the West over the years, and the West from the East. This whole issue seems to be centered around the East's lack of desire to pay taxes to something they have less a benefit from. Will they declare themselves an independent sovernty next, absolved of State of Federal taxes too? It is just as rediculous as their current arguments.
fair taxes | 1:13 p.m. April 8, 2008
So the west side taxes might actually be raised enough to meet what the east
side has been paying for years... don't ask me to feel to sorry for you
since my higher taxes have been paying for your schools for years! If there
were impact fees on all of the new homes built on the west side maybe taxes
wouldn't have to be raised! (But then heaven forbid we go against what the
realtors, developers or builders want!)
This is a good idea | 3:17 p.m. April 8, 2008
This is a good idea to get people who don't have personal or political
interest at stake to negotiate in fairness.
With this approash we won't have to listen to all the complaints that the East side is just gready (because the arbitrators aren't East or West side partisans) so you can't attach your "greedy East sider" lable to them. They don't live on the East side, they aren't influenced by the Evil East side, etc. Just a good idea I think.
East side residents are "Greedy" because they don't want to carry the dept to build schools on the West side? Do you realise how silly that sounds?
A West side advocate stated, "The East side wants the West side to pay for them to leave". I don't think they want you to pay for them to leave, they just don't want to inherrit the debt for schools that haven't been built yet.
With this approash we won't have to listen to all the complaints that the East side is just gready (because the arbitrators aren't East or West side partisans) so you can't attach your "greedy East sider" lable to them. They don't live on the East side, they aren't influenced by the Evil East side, etc. Just a good idea I think.
East side residents are "Greedy" because they don't want to carry the dept to build schools on the West side? Do you realise how silly that sounds?
A West side advocate stated, "The East side wants the West side to pay for them to leave". I don't think they want you to pay for them to leave, they just don't want to inherrit the debt for schools that haven't been built yet.
WJ | 3:20 p.m. April 8, 2008
Mister X, citizens on both sides of the river voted for the school board, but
only those on the east side got to vote on the split. Your analogy of the civil
war is valid, but we are not shooting lead at each other.
I tend to agree with the earlier post that since the east siders voted to leave the Jordan district, they can either pay the district for all the district's property on the east side, school buildings, administrative offices, etc, or build new ones for themselves. There is a parallel in US history. The treaty of Versaille (I hope I spelled that right) required the USA to compensate British interests for British property still in the USA. Since the east side left, they can compensate us for Jordan District property in their area.
I tend to agree with the earlier post that since the east siders voted to leave the Jordan district, they can either pay the district for all the district's property on the east side, school buildings, administrative offices, etc, or build new ones for themselves. There is a parallel in US history. The treaty of Versaille (I hope I spelled that right) required the USA to compensate British interests for British property still in the USA. Since the east side left, they can compensate us for Jordan District property in their area.
Mister X | 4:23 p.m. April 8, 2008
I don't mind giving them the schools for free. I just don't care for
giving them the District offices, Parking garage, and all the other non-school
buildings they have built on their side.
I do find a problem with the East guy who posts that he wants an even split of 50-50. We all know that would bankrupt Jordan. The audacity of asking for all that bond money and saying that it was the West sides fault also irks me.
I say let them leave. Let them pay as well. Not a dime of the remaining bond money should go with them and they should pay half the cost of the current district non-school costs to the West so they can build those things in the West.
What about the human capital? Are the East going to demand half the students as well?
I do find a problem with the East guy who posts that he wants an even split of 50-50. We all know that would bankrupt Jordan. The audacity of asking for all that bond money and saying that it was the West sides fault also irks me.
I say let them leave. Let them pay as well. Not a dime of the remaining bond money should go with them and they should pay half the cost of the current district non-school costs to the West so they can build those things in the West.
What about the human capital? Are the East going to demand half the students as well?
Compromise | 4:38 p.m. April 8, 2008
How about we sell ALL the schools, buildings etc. to a private company, split
the money by number of students that would attend each side the next year? Each
side could rent the building instead of owning it and each side would have a lot
of cash to work with.
Who gets the teachers? I am still wondering that question.
Who gets the teachers? I am still wondering that question.
Craig | 5:18 p.m. April 8, 2008
I just dont see why we can't have one big School district in the Salt lake
valley.This is a no brainer !! But there are no brains left here. Tax money
would be lower.But I forget that people need that power.So let's raise the
tax so we have more idiots in charge.What the heck we need 12 more district
Superintendent etc etc. It would be a cold day in Wendover If we talked about
common sense things Like Reduced class size.But no Let's make 8 more School
District so we can hire all these big Adminastraters to send out memo's all
day.
Anonymous | 7:00 p.m. April 8, 2008
The bottom line is that the east side did their study and decided it would work
for them. Now, after the fact, they are trying to change the rules.
The East Side minority wants all new buildings that the westside supposedly has(and given that my children's west side school is currently the worst physical building in the district- it's news to me that all our buildings are new). HOWEVER, they don't want to have to put 1,200 kids in them like the schools do over here. You don't want an equitable situation, if you did, it's easily accomplished. Close 2 out of every 3 elementary schools and combine them in one. Then you MIGHT get up to 1,200 kids. Use the money from the sale of the the other two properties to fund the new school. Problem solved- no new taxes or bond money needed.
Yeah. That's not what it's about. It was never about that. The rush to split was done quickly so that people wouldn't have time to become educated about it. This split will cost BOTH the west side and the east side a ton of cash and not one dime of it benefits the kids.
The East Side minority wants all new buildings that the westside supposedly has(and given that my children's west side school is currently the worst physical building in the district- it's news to me that all our buildings are new). HOWEVER, they don't want to have to put 1,200 kids in them like the schools do over here. You don't want an equitable situation, if you did, it's easily accomplished. Close 2 out of every 3 elementary schools and combine them in one. Then you MIGHT get up to 1,200 kids. Use the money from the sale of the the other two properties to fund the new school. Problem solved- no new taxes or bond money needed.
Yeah. That's not what it's about. It was never about that. The rush to split was done quickly so that people wouldn't have time to become educated about it. This split will cost BOTH the west side and the east side a ton of cash and not one dime of it benefits the kids.
Jason | 9:41 p.m. April 8, 2008
I am glad the JSD is going down. My kid is in a run down school. Maybe now
things that matter will get attention. I pay rent and no taxes so I really do
not care who gets stuck with the bill. Yes i am the ultimate greedy east
siders!!!
Insulting | 10:40 p.m. April 8, 2008
All of these arm-chair geniuses who know so little about the facts, and so much
about political puffery are an insult to the good men who represented the west
side as transition team members and negotiators. Ricky Horst and Sterling
Nielsen are both smart and capable. They are both well educated and well
informed about the issues and details of the district split. They both studied
the details in detail, and helped draft a compromise that they deemed fair and
equitable. They acted as statesmen without political prejudice. It cannot be
claimed that they acted out of greed. On the contrary, they acted out of
wisdom. We should all be so fortunate as to be represented by such good men.
Those of you who know so little should not be so quick to criticize those who
know so much. Listen to what they have to say. You may learn something.
SW | 2:10 a.m. April 9, 2008
With the last legislative session, Salt Lake district and others will be paying
money to Jordan District to help cover the student growth. The east side
proposal is to take the largest portion of this money and have it go to them.
I can't see anyone thinking that is fair. This is a matter of the east saying they are richer therefore, they should get the most of everything and if other students suffer, so be it.
I can't see anyone thinking that is fair. This is a matter of the east saying they are richer therefore, they should get the most of everything and if other students suffer, so be it.
Reality Check | 6:41 a.m. April 9, 2008
Should we start bowing?
The fact remains that the East is demanding way more than their fair share. The proposal was to give them the lions share of the bond money even though that money will be spent before the split takes place, 45 school buildings (to the West's 46), the district office buildings leaving the West with a handful of incomplete projects and two new schools just complete.
The east should get none of the bond money. They want arbitration and it will cost them a lot more than just the 115 million considering property values on the East are higher than the West. Don't forget that art collection at Draper elementary. That too will have to be split when you go to arbitration.
The fact remains that the East is demanding way more than their fair share. The proposal was to give them the lions share of the bond money even though that money will be spent before the split takes place, 45 school buildings (to the West's 46), the district office buildings leaving the West with a handful of incomplete projects and two new schools just complete.
The east should get none of the bond money. They want arbitration and it will cost them a lot more than just the 115 million considering property values on the East are higher than the West. Don't forget that art collection at Draper elementary. That too will have to be split when you go to arbitration.
Enough | 8:25 a.m. April 9, 2008
I have had enough and in the interest of my child we are moving. My child will
be attending Davis schools. This is not worth it nor am I paying on any bond.
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Arbitration or legislative action is required at this point since the law for splitting is so screwed up anyway. The Governor should call a special session and bring back the clowns who created this mess so they can fix it. In the meantime those buildings are being built, the money that the East so selfishly wants is being spent to house kids.