Comments about ‘State treatment in question as FLDS lose custody of kids’

God help us all! I am an active FLDS member; heartbroken and aghast at the police state actions in Texas against our people. To the compassionate hearts that have voiced their concerns over the constitutionality of this action and sympathized with the separated families, I say thank you for putting differences aside and seeing the inhumanity of this episode. To those expressing bitter, unChristian-like feelings of hatred and bigotry towards us, I say God help you for your weak-minded media driven stereotypic beliefs. Because we choose NOT to respond to every outrageous untruth broadcast about our lifestyle, should not brand us "guilty by reason of silence." Take your little child tonight in your arms, look in the mirror and imagine a complete stranger in your place, holding YOUR child, taking over the parenting responsibilities of your precious one. If that doesn't hurt, you are indeed inhuman, and that will explain your unfeeling comments regarding this un-American travesty of justice. Wake up! Show the same level of tolerance for our people that you teach in your Sunday Schools for other ethnic groups and cultures and quit believing what "those who hate us" spew out as Gosepl truth.

I was incensed that the authorities stormed the FLDS temple. I'm all for stopping scary molesters, but I think that once that is taken care of the media and police should leave the poor people alone.

Yes lets put doctrine aside and truly think about what is happening. 400+ children are being ripped from their parents care all because of a phone call. Have they found the phone call to be legit? Don't think any one of us knows. Even if it was, does it mean all FLDS men are committing abuse? In recent years there has been plenty of press regarding Catholic Priets and even LDS Scout Leaders accused of sexual abuse. Despite such accusations, does that mean all Catholic and LDS paritioners are bad? Most definitely not, but based upon what is happening in Texas, the precedent has been set that when the next Catholic boy or LDS Boy Scout claims abuse the courts have the authority to jump in take away all LDS and Catholic kids? Many of you may argue that this is different due to poligamy, but let me just say, if we as a nation decide now that we want to prosecute poligamy then we must also begin to prosecute other century old sexual laws that are still on the books, i.e. infedelity. And, how can we justify legalizing same-sex marriage but forbid poligamy?

The FLDS problems all go back to the marriages involving under age children. They can't ignore the law in that area. What is wrong with waiting until a girl is of legal age before she gets married. In many ways the FLDS brought this on by their actions.

Impregnating underage girls is illegal in any state and it doesn't matter what religion you belong to. If you're fooling around with minors, the state will get you sooner or later. Hopefully sooner.

If Sherman is an active FLDS member, how does he have access to the internet?

This is a very scary action on such a large scale. As one who was rased in an obusive home, in which no one came to help I am all for officials stepping in when it is needed. But this seem wrong even though there have not been much details given in the matter. I am not a member of the FLDS church but it sure looks at this point that they are being targeted because of their faith.

Yes - God help us all! Sherman, I'm not FLDS and, personally, I think that your religion and practices are an abomination. But, that being said, I AGREE that the actions in Texas are those of a jack-booted police state. I too am heartbroken and aghast at this situation and that no one is standing up for your church. Where are the protests? Why are there so few Americans out there who see that if they can do this to your church they can do this to any church, God help us all.

Let the men be arrested and charged with bigamy. Where are the young boys?
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I will say it is a little chilling to see the government take such dramatic steps. However if children are being abused or in danger of being abused they are obligated to respond. I think the FLDS are suffering because a some of their male leadership have become out of control. I would like to see FLDS better control their own and stand against practices that run contrary to their values. They should aggressively challenge abuses of power......at the moment that doesn't appear to be happening. FLDS seems to be victims of their own culture.....I see it as a leadership issue and not a fault of the average member.

Not so fast, some cultures are so degenerate they deserve extinction. Why do I say this? To make room for pologamy your church has been kicking out 12 year old boys to fend for themselves.

If taking all of these kids means your society doesn't survive, good. It is a stain on common decency and humanity.

Has there ever been a group that truly follows the Lord that has insulated itself completly from society? How can the Salt of the Earth add savor to the Earth if it is secluded and separate? What truth is there that has to be hidden from the world? Are disciples of Christ commanded to be a secluded standard or a concealed ensign? Prophets and the true church are to be revealed by their fruits (works). How is the world to taste and judge fruit that is unseen and untasted?
You can retreat behind your belief that those who think differently are weak minded, hateful, biggoted who are blinded by the media. You can wonder why those women left voluntarily and took their children with them. I pray that they will have the strength to stand on their own, and will grow and prosper in the new light they find.

Polygamy is illegal. The children who are now in safe custody have been taken out of a harmful, empty and shameful way of life. The cycle MUST be broken at some point and thankfully the brave authorities in Texas have stepped in. This is more than the state of Utah ever did. It will not be easy for these kids, but hopefully it will be the beginning of a fulfilling, safe and most importantally, FREE life for them. They are American citizens and they deserve this right.

Sherman, I am sorry at the way that the Texas authorities have handled this situation. However, I can see their point. You have a closed society in which underage children are married to men who then proceed to have children. In today's society, a 40 year old man impregnating a 14 or 15 year old girl is simply unacceptable.

Further, according to news reports particularly in Utah, husbands who fall out of favor with FLDS church leaders can have their wives and children taken away from them and reassigned to another. Again, in today's society, such an act is unacceptable. As a husband and father, I certainly wouldn't stand for that type of action by a church leader.

Although some may see this action as religious persecution, it is the unacceptable behavior embraced by the FLDS church that is under attack. For example, if a church were to discipline its members by stoning (as promoted by the old testament for some crimes), I would expect the state to step in to prevent that type of activity also. I am sorry for your pain, but somehow these types of unacceptable activities will be forced to stop.

There is simply no reason for a little girl to marry an older man; what would they even talk about? They don't share life experiences and are worlds apart in regards to mental/emotional development. A child doesn't even yet understand the concept of love that marriage involves.
There can be only one reason that an old man would want a child bride, and it amounts to filth.

What's terrible about all of this is that old men are "marrying" these young girls and getting them pregnant! That is AWFUL! I think that the Texas authorities had every right to do what they did and I'm glad that it happened. Young girls seem to have no say in their lives in the FLDS way of life and that is WRONG!! So, Sherman you think about that. If you really love your children why are young girls getting pregnant and not able to choose for themselves!

I am with Texas on this one, although I do fell sorry for the children because there parents were abusive and neglective.

It appears Cowboy Justice is at work in Texas. Personally I think this is a good thing shaking up the ranks of the FLDS to see what snakes fall out. All the news this decade about the FLDS has been incredibly horrifying to say the least, so maybe now we will all have eyes to see what the heck is going on in the name of the Lord. John Taylor use to preach that if the Saints would not carry the standards of Celestial (Plural) Marriage, that Angels would come down from Heaven to keep the standard alive.

Well I think Texas just swallowed that red pill in the Matrix, and there's no exit until the Chosen Ones are either destroyed or destroys the Matrix. I'll be watching until Justice prevails ... some of them are family.

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The courts are going beyond their duties and breaking up families that have done no harm or commited any crimes. The FLDS get chastized and condemended for commuan living but the illegal aliens and illegal foreign nationals from Mexico living in communal homes of criminal activties are left alone. America's justice system is warped and gone bad to the point that there is no safety in the home or security in the home from outside discriminatory legal system. The legal system attacke polygamy as a terrorist group while at the same time they allow drugs, illegals, and the real terrorist to walk/run across our borders from mexico. There may be a few victims as in all cities, but law enforcement doesn't go home to home in all cities and confiscate children and the homes of the parents claiming there may be some child abuse going on. Americans can tollerate their lives, their jobs, their national security being taken from them by illegal aliens, but we can't tollerate law abiding american families to live in peace. Then the news media, starving to report on civil crime, overlook the real crime and criminal actions of government and elected representatives.

Imagine. You live in a nice quiet subdivision. An anonymous caller charges a neighbor with abusing their children. At 11:30 P.M., while youre sleeping, the police rush in and take your kids. Then, they systematically search your entire house (even in places where no one could hide), take your computers, your journals, your private documents.

Note, you arent charged with a crime. Youre guilty by association.

This doesnt sound like the United States and our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. It sounds more like the Gestapo and Nazi Germany.

Oh, but you say, Theyre all polygamists and this is a disgusting and revolting practice and they dont live in a subdivision, they live in a compound. Lets say it is and they do. Lets even say that a majority of those homes have abuse happening. Then, lets go back to your home at 11:30 at night where youre sleeping and NOT abusing your kids. Just because you associate with people who are, have you forfeited your rights?

What if you live in a neighborhood where people do drugs? or where theres gang violence? Does the state have the right to, without a specific charge, take your children?

Welcome to Amerika.