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Gay 'agenda' targeted — Speakers in American Fork warn of dangers
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Keep homosexuality out of school | 9:36 a.m. April 1, 2008
The thing that bothers me the most is that our Godless government is not only
smothering religion, but they are peddling the homosexual agenda through their
schools.
Lillith | 9:44 a.m. April 1, 2008
I was raised around many open gays and lesbians. They never brought an agenda
(with bullet points) to any gathering. They never tried to recruit me to
homosexuality. In all my years, I have never once been offered a toaster for the
chance to join the "gay lifestyle." I am at a loss when I hear
statements like this.
What a bigot | 9:39 a.m. April 1, 2008
This clown is carrying on about the "Gay Agenda". In years past, it
would have been the "Jewish Agenda" or the "Irish Agenda" or
the "Mormon Agenda". A bigot is a bigot is a bigot.
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Divorce Rate, etc. | 9:46 a.m. April 1, 2008
I don't have exact numbers but heterosexuals get divorced at what - around
a 50% rate for first marriages and above 60% for the second. Teen pregnancies,
infidelity, porn, pedophilia, sexual assaults, STDs rampant among heterosexuals,
severe drug and prescription abuse in Utah, etc etc. And these yahoos spend all
their time and energy worrying about spreading fear and disinformation regarding
an inborn human trait.
Even a plea in general conference for more love, acceptance and a stop to the public criticism of homosexuals would not slow down their hate and fear train. They beat to their own fundamentalist agenda and no one can tell them otherwise. Some people see conspiracies and Satan around every corner and yet somehow they can look at themselves in the mirror and believe they are furthering God's work. There is a church that tends to picket at soldier funerals and even our late Prophet's funeral that would probably be a bit more in line with their attitudes.
Even a plea in general conference for more love, acceptance and a stop to the public criticism of homosexuals would not slow down their hate and fear train. They beat to their own fundamentalist agenda and no one can tell them otherwise. Some people see conspiracies and Satan around every corner and yet somehow they can look at themselves in the mirror and believe they are furthering God's work. There is a church that tends to picket at soldier funerals and even our late Prophet's funeral that would probably be a bit more in line with their attitudes.
Patsy | 9:42 a.m. April 1, 2008
Those that believe one can change their sexual orientation - would you want your
daughter to marry one of these changed men?
When she starts wondering what's wrong with her, why she feels so unattractive, what are you going to tell her? "Suck it up honey, you're helping to change him."
When she starts wondering what's wrong with her, why she feels so unattractive, what are you going to tell her? "Suck it up honey, you're helping to change him."
Hatuletoh | 9:44 a.m. April 1, 2008
Oh my goodness . . . Some of you people actually think that the sexuality of
your children can be altered by some TV's shows and the yet-to-be-defined
"gay agenda"? Hilarious! I envy what must be your very comfortable
lives if GAYS are your most pressing concern. Are your kids really so
impressionable? Frankly, I'm a lot more concerned about paying for college
in 15 years.
On a related topic, I didn't see Mr. Graham's or Mr. Gunter's creditials noted in the article. Are they professors of some sort? Scientists, social scientists, politicians, academics, relgious leaders, community leaders, golf pro's, dry-wallers, latent homosexuals--or what? What qualified them to speak on this subject? Did anyone at this newspaper think to ask?
On a related topic, I didn't see Mr. Graham's or Mr. Gunter's creditials noted in the article. Are they professors of some sort? Scientists, social scientists, politicians, academics, relgious leaders, community leaders, golf pro's, dry-wallers, latent homosexuals--or what? What qualified them to speak on this subject? Did anyone at this newspaper think to ask?
Samwise801 | 9:53 a.m. April 1, 2008
So, refresh my memory - tell me again what is so wrong with acceptance? What is
so wrong with accepting those among us who are different?
If you really think there is a "gay agenda" to push homosexual acceptance on society, look no further than groups like SoL - you can't blame gay people for fighting back against this kind of intolerance. Of course they're going to "push an agenda," if that's what you want to call it, because the agendas of groups like these are working every day to push homosexuals into a shamed, degraded, looked-down-upon second class of society.
If there was a group out there trying to push you into that dark corner, wouldn't you fight back too?
I can only hope these kinds of groups stay on the fringe of society. Tolerance is a virtue! And even more so when you disagree.
Keep your own morality in your own home. When in public, spend your valuable time and energy on more pressing matters - not on blindly and vehemently hating those who are different than you.
If you really think there is a "gay agenda" to push homosexual acceptance on society, look no further than groups like SoL - you can't blame gay people for fighting back against this kind of intolerance. Of course they're going to "push an agenda," if that's what you want to call it, because the agendas of groups like these are working every day to push homosexuals into a shamed, degraded, looked-down-upon second class of society.
If there was a group out there trying to push you into that dark corner, wouldn't you fight back too?
I can only hope these kinds of groups stay on the fringe of society. Tolerance is a virtue! And even more so when you disagree.
Keep your own morality in your own home. When in public, spend your valuable time and energy on more pressing matters - not on blindly and vehemently hating those who are different than you.
The Forgotten Middle | 9:51 a.m. April 1, 2008
This is madness - people use the word "agenda" to describe beliefs
that don't match their own. I am so sick of the extremes in today's
society. This country (maybe not this County) is a country of reasonable,
compassionatem thoughtful people and yet the only voices we tend to hear are
those screaming either from the far left or right. I guess when you are in the
minority you learn to yell in order to get some attention. It's a shame
though that it tends to block out or minimize the majority who don't buy
the extremes of either side. You see the same thing in the creationism versus
evolution debate. It only involves finger pointing from both ends and speaks
over the majority who (regardless of which way they lean) prefer a civilized
conversation that respects a variety of thoughts and opinions.
Love the sinner hate the sin | 10:00 a.m. April 1, 2008
I think that is what the savior would say about this.
Homosexuals are not the enemy. They are loved by our Father in Heaven as much as the rest of us.
It is the sin of Homosexuality that God hates. It is the acceptance of this sin in our society that is alarming. It is that bad is called good and good is called bad.
Homosexuals are not the enemy. They are loved by our Father in Heaven as much as the rest of us.
It is the sin of Homosexuality that God hates. It is the acceptance of this sin in our society that is alarming. It is that bad is called good and good is called bad.
Agenda? | 10:00 a.m. April 1, 2008
It's really quite laughable that people still claim that there is no
"gay agenda". If there is no "gay agenda" why are there gay
advocacy groups. Tell me one advocacy group that doesn't have an
"agenda". Let's see... The NRA, the NEA, ADAPT, BACA, MADD, the
Sierra Club, the ACLU, the NAACP, the Humane Society, Amnesty International, the
American Cancer Society, all have "agendas". There really is nothing
wrong with an advocacy group having an "agenda" - that's the
point of the advocacy group.
What is suspicious is having an advocacy group (and the group that is being advocated for) claim they don't have an agenda. What are you trying to hide?
What is suspicious is having an advocacy group (and the group that is being advocated for) claim they don't have an agenda. What are you trying to hide?
Not a Moral Issue | 10:04 a.m. April 1, 2008
Homosexuality is not a moral issue. The speakers are spreading ignorance and
lies.
My brother is 44 years and gay. He finally told me about it, after years of deep depression, denial and refusal to recognize his sexuality as nothing he can change. His homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to be morally sound person.
My brother is 44 years and gay. He finally told me about it, after years of deep depression, denial and refusal to recognize his sexuality as nothing he can change. His homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to be morally sound person.
Anonymous | 10:21 a.m. April 1, 2008
Yep, all those "gays" are just experimenting and choose to live a
lifestyle where they are harrassed, persecuted, beaten, hated and vilified. Yep,
it's just a choice and they can go back to being "normal" but
they would rather be hated then conform. Right..... How silly are all of you
who think it is a choice? Yes, I will admit there are a very few that
"swing both ways", those who do experiment just to push their parent
buttons or to rebel against the social norm, but the MAJORITY of gays and
lesbians are BORN THIS WAY. They do not learn it.. if they do learn it, then let
me ask this, who did they learn it from? They were born into hetrosexual
families so maybe the parents did soemthing wrong?? HMMM. This is not a choice.
Just like all you straights can not "choose" to be gay, those who are
gay can not "choose" to be straight. It just goes against their make
up. There is nothing wrong or predatory about them. There is no recruiting
agenda. They just want to live a normal life, like everyone else!!!
Kevin | 10:30 a.m. April 1, 2008
I am in support of activities and speeches that appropriately condemn sexual
relations outside of marriage and that seek to prevent homosexual unions and
marriages from being and/or becoming lawful.
Mary | 10:50 a.m. April 1, 2008
How embarrassing that my hometown was the location for this hate mongering. A
library is supposed to be a place for increasing knowledge not ignorance and
spite.
Nedd | 11:02 a.m. April 1, 2008
I'm from Indiana but as a friend of Steve's, I'm hard pressed to
see how this is classified as hate. How can opposing a lifestyle harmful to many
of its practitioners and leading many to early graves be hateful? It's not
loving to tell such folks they have to be homosexual the same way it's not
loving to shoot drugs.
The Centers for Disease Control just came out with a new report how HIV cases rose 48% from 2005 to 2006 and the CDC website (yeah, that bastion of conservatism) maintains, despite its personal wishes to the contrary, that it is MSM (men having sex with men) as the number one factor for the rise in AIDS and HIV. I didn't make it up. It's on their website. Google it for yourself.
I reject going into people's bedrooms to see what they do and believe in live and let live but destructive behaviors like these (facts do not lie) should not be promoted in schools or as matters of public policy.
Many people have left this unnatural and risky lifestyle so it can be done. There's help for those trapped. Do not reject those who want help to do so.
The Centers for Disease Control just came out with a new report how HIV cases rose 48% from 2005 to 2006 and the CDC website (yeah, that bastion of conservatism) maintains, despite its personal wishes to the contrary, that it is MSM (men having sex with men) as the number one factor for the rise in AIDS and HIV. I didn't make it up. It's on their website. Google it for yourself.
I reject going into people's bedrooms to see what they do and believe in live and let live but destructive behaviors like these (facts do not lie) should not be promoted in schools or as matters of public policy.
Many people have left this unnatural and risky lifestyle so it can be done. There's help for those trapped. Do not reject those who want help to do so.
Sad for Utah | 11:05 a.m. April 1, 2008
Whether homosexuality is a choice is irrelevant to me.
What saddens me is the choice that certain Utahns have made to be intolerant bigots.
What saddens me is the choice that certain Utahns have made to be intolerant bigots.
you're right Patsy | 11:26 a.m. April 1, 2008
As a parent I would have huge concerns about my daughter marrying a man who had
dabbled with homosexuality.
Which is why it is so devastating when young teenagers get duped into "outing" themselves. That is a sticky trap to get out of, and can have lifelong consequences.
Which is why society needs to protect youth from aggressive homosexual advocacy groups, especially in public school.
Which is why it is so devastating when young teenagers get duped into "outing" themselves. That is a sticky trap to get out of, and can have lifelong consequences.
Which is why society needs to protect youth from aggressive homosexual advocacy groups, especially in public school.
Anonymous | 11:22 a.m. April 1, 2008
Why is it that everyone calls us closed-minded? Aren't the so-called
open-minded people being closed-minded for not letting someone think differently
from what you think? Just because I believe homosexuality is a sin doesn't
mean I'm closed-minded, it just means we think differently. If you ask me,
you're closed-minded for not letting me believe what I want.
anon | 11:29 a.m. April 1, 2008
First, why do Gays insist on defining themselves by who they sleep with? I
define myself by what I do and don't do.
Second, feel free to deny the "agenda" but it is real. That is why schoolbooks in California are no longer allowed to contain the words "family", "mother" or "father". Look it up and learn. It's the tip of the iceburg.
Third, gay people have the same rights that I have. When they speak of equal rights they actually mean "additional or special rights".
fourth, people are not born gay. To say they were born that way discounts nature and God. Explain the OH guy arrested for having sex with his picnic table? Or the guy caught doing it to a swimming pool in FLa? Or the guy killed in WA by the horse he was "with"? They were born with the desire to "make it" with tables, pools, and animals? If you want to be gay go ahead but don't ask us to say that it is acceptable behavior. And don't call us "haters" because we refuse to do so.
Second, feel free to deny the "agenda" but it is real. That is why schoolbooks in California are no longer allowed to contain the words "family", "mother" or "father". Look it up and learn. It's the tip of the iceburg.
Third, gay people have the same rights that I have. When they speak of equal rights they actually mean "additional or special rights".
fourth, people are not born gay. To say they were born that way discounts nature and God. Explain the OH guy arrested for having sex with his picnic table? Or the guy caught doing it to a swimming pool in FLa? Or the guy killed in WA by the horse he was "with"? They were born with the desire to "make it" with tables, pools, and animals? If you want to be gay go ahead but don't ask us to say that it is acceptable behavior. And don't call us "haters" because we refuse to do so.
Screen Age | 11:35 a.m. April 1, 2008
Forget about homosexuality for a moment and look at this for what it is.
An outside special interest group intimidated a parent organization and/or a school principal to the point of dictating what they can and cannot do in a meeting.
That doesn�t alarm you?!
This was not a school event, this is a private organization. Did this group attend because they have kids at that school? Or did they attend in a deliberate effort to control thinking?
I don�t care what their agenda is -- they could be out to place homeless kittens with loving families for all I care -- the truth is they are frequently guilty of intimidating, shaming and bullying those who believe differently than they do. And then have the audacity of accusing organized religions of this behavior!
Their practices are at best manipulative, and at worst insidious social engineering.
And notice how you never hear about this group donating huge amounts of money, supplies or volunteers to help disaster victims.
That�s because all their resources go towards one thing: influencing us.
Hmm.
Do they want to make the world a better place, or control how it thinks? It�s all about power.
An outside special interest group intimidated a parent organization and/or a school principal to the point of dictating what they can and cannot do in a meeting.
That doesn�t alarm you?!
This was not a school event, this is a private organization. Did this group attend because they have kids at that school? Or did they attend in a deliberate effort to control thinking?
I don�t care what their agenda is -- they could be out to place homeless kittens with loving families for all I care -- the truth is they are frequently guilty of intimidating, shaming and bullying those who believe differently than they do. And then have the audacity of accusing organized religions of this behavior!
Their practices are at best manipulative, and at worst insidious social engineering.
And notice how you never hear about this group donating huge amounts of money, supplies or volunteers to help disaster victims.
That�s because all their resources go towards one thing: influencing us.
Hmm.
Do they want to make the world a better place, or control how it thinks? It�s all about power.
Say What | 11:38 a.m. April 1, 2008
The opinions of a fringe speaker, who wasn't allowed to speak at the PTSA
meeting and ended up with barely any audience are evidence of the small
mindedness of Utah County?
There are anti-gay groups in San Francisco who attract much larger gatherings. Does that make San Franciscans small minded?
Being small minded is not allowing someone else their opinion, and is usually what you become whenever you attempt to label another person or group as small minded.
There are anti-gay groups in San Francisco who attract much larger gatherings. Does that make San Franciscans small minded?
Being small minded is not allowing someone else their opinion, and is usually what you become whenever you attempt to label another person or group as small minded.
RR | 11:32 a.m. April 1, 2008
First, I have to say, GO this guy for standing up for what is wrong, when the
whole world is being whitewashed into thinking it's totally good and
right!
I moved from Utah two years ago, and just like to come here to read about college sports, but reading things like this happening in Utah is astounding. It's not nearly this bad where I live, and I live in a liberal hub. There are definitely forces at work there trying to reverse what most of society there believes. You rarely see things like this in the part of the US where I live. It's a scary world there where bad is now considered good.
I moved from Utah two years ago, and just like to come here to read about college sports, but reading things like this happening in Utah is astounding. It's not nearly this bad where I live, and I live in a liberal hub. There are definitely forces at work there trying to reverse what most of society there believes. You rarely see things like this in the part of the US where I live. It's a scary world there where bad is now considered good.
Anonymous | 11:36 a.m. April 1, 2008
I forgot was it Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve?
Screen Age | 11:44 a.m. April 1, 2008
"If you disagree with me then you must hate me, and if I am the victim of
hate, then I must be in the right. Isn't that how it works?"
The problem with that statement is that it is so brilliant, it went over the heads of most the people involved in THIS discussion!
WELL SAID, who ever you are!
The problem with that statement is that it is so brilliant, it went over the heads of most the people involved in THIS discussion!
WELL SAID, who ever you are!
? | 11:39 a.m. April 1, 2008
if god is going to judge all these "horrible sinners" then why do we
have to do it to? i have a lot on my plate right now and i dont think i can fit
in hating another group of people on top of everything else
Anonymous | 11:41 a.m. April 1, 2008
So In my life I ve learned a few things. You can't control others. You
can't change minds. You can't change hearts. Only Heavenly Father can.
Even If we don t agree with homosexuals, doesn t mean we need to hate them. Our
job is to Love and accept them. Not their actions, cause in the end God is the
judge and each person has their own free will. God knows our hearts. We can
teach our children what we want, and give our testimony of what is true. It is
still others choice to listen and except it. If our families or friends choose
that road we can talk till we are blue in the face. In order to stop a problem
we need to communitcate in a way that isn t unkind but in a way that doesn t
point fingers. The truth is no one knows everything, and in the end Heavenly
father will make the judgement.
Personally | 11:43 a.m. April 1, 2008
I for one am sick of the Mormon Agenda.
Isn't it a bit ironic that the LDS church is guilty of the same thing it accuses gays of? i.e. Trying to recruit people to conform to their way of thinking and their life styles to fit their beliefs and doing so in schools? What about forcing people to live by a set of beliefs that many can find opposition to from the bible? Maybe if the Homosexual community had tax exempt status people would be more accepting. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Now, who's going to be the first to say either "But that's different..." or the dead horse phrase of "If you don't like it then move.."
Isn't it a bit ironic that the LDS church is guilty of the same thing it accuses gays of? i.e. Trying to recruit people to conform to their way of thinking and their life styles to fit their beliefs and doing so in schools? What about forcing people to live by a set of beliefs that many can find opposition to from the bible? Maybe if the Homosexual community had tax exempt status people would be more accepting. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Now, who's going to be the first to say either "But that's different..." or the dead horse phrase of "If you don't like it then move.."
Prosecutor | 11:51 a.m. April 1, 2008
Ever notice how those decrying hate and bigotry do so in the most hateful and
bigoted language?
Anonymous | 11:51 a.m. April 1, 2008
This story illustrates that hate and intolerance are Utah family values.
Re: Phantom Panther | 11:52 a.m. April 1, 2008
Well said!
I have friends and relatives who live a homosexual lifestyle. I have no problem being tolerant of those who choose to live a homosexual lifestyle.
But, I do object to homosexuals and their apologists pushing an agenda to force everyone to accept their lifestyle as being normal and moral.
I have friends and relatives who live a homosexual lifestyle. I have no problem being tolerant of those who choose to live a homosexual lifestyle.
But, I do object to homosexuals and their apologists pushing an agenda to force everyone to accept their lifestyle as being normal and moral.
Ed | 12:00 p.m. April 1, 2008
I am just blown away that people such as Mr. Gunter are even given a forum in
the first place. I feel bad that he believes that there is a "gay
agenda". All that ANY of us wants is to be accepted as decent people,
regardless of race, creed or sexual orientation. I have many "gay"
friends and not ONCE have any of them tried to be inappropriate in any way.
Most live in fear that they will be "outed"....now is THAT any way to
live one's life, in fear???? That's what people of Mr. Gunter's
crowd want.....is to put the fear into all those who are "different".
Welcome once again to the politics of fear. Sad.
Accept the sinner not the sin | 12:00 p.m. April 1, 2008
To Divorce rate, etc.:
Two wrongs don't make a right. Listing off wrongs does not somehow justify a different form of wrongdoing. Having sex with the same sex is unnatural & wrong. Saying otherwise is misinformation & harmful to everyone including self-proclaimed gays.
To anyone else it concerns:
How can you say being gay is inborn? That is an opinion far from being proven as fact. By my definition, gay pertains to those who engage in sexual acts with the same sex, & until then you aren't gay. Therefore it's impossible to be gay at birth, speaking in my terms.
We were born male or female with natural desires that develop as our bodies develop the sexual ability to procreate (In case you failed sex-ed, this requires a male and a female). Desires outside the purpose of the bodies natural sexual development may sometimes develop, but they are perversions of thought and lead to unnatural behaviors. In fact, all wrongdoing was first preceded by an inappropriate thought.
Some say we are born with evil inclinations, but any baby is evidence that this is false. How is accepting bad thoughts (Unproven inclinations) appropriate? It perpetuates into sorrowful actions. Some favor!
Two wrongs don't make a right. Listing off wrongs does not somehow justify a different form of wrongdoing. Having sex with the same sex is unnatural & wrong. Saying otherwise is misinformation & harmful to everyone including self-proclaimed gays.
To anyone else it concerns:
How can you say being gay is inborn? That is an opinion far from being proven as fact. By my definition, gay pertains to those who engage in sexual acts with the same sex, & until then you aren't gay. Therefore it's impossible to be gay at birth, speaking in my terms.
We were born male or female with natural desires that develop as our bodies develop the sexual ability to procreate (In case you failed sex-ed, this requires a male and a female). Desires outside the purpose of the bodies natural sexual development may sometimes develop, but they are perversions of thought and lead to unnatural behaviors. In fact, all wrongdoing was first preceded by an inappropriate thought.
Some say we are born with evil inclinations, but any baby is evidence that this is false. How is accepting bad thoughts (Unproven inclinations) appropriate? It perpetuates into sorrowful actions. Some favor!
nurture vs nature, and hate | 12:02 p.m. April 1, 2008
If being gay is genetic, why aren't both identical twins gay? I am
familiar with several sets where one is and one isn't. How can that be?
And, when can we get past being labeled as haters just for disagreeing. This is the classic lib argument and, frankly, it is old and tired. Calling me names because I disagree with you is a poor rebuttal and the tool of the ignorant.
And, when can we get past being labeled as haters just for disagreeing. This is the classic lib argument and, frankly, it is old and tired. Calling me names because I disagree with you is a poor rebuttal and the tool of the ignorant.
P in Mexifornia | 12:05 p.m. April 1, 2008
Homosexuals and liberals always try to demonize and label those who speak out
against homosexuality as "hateful, close-minded, descriminatory"
because they're unable to debate the issue- so they resort to name calling.
It's their only defense as they know that conservative values are right
and their lifestyle is wrong and harmful to society. This issue needs to be
addressed. The history of any culture which embraces homosexuality is a history
of social decay and self-destruction. FACT. Any society which perverts itself
in this manner and does not protect and uphold the basic relationship for
procreation/buidling block for the continuing of society and the species will
eventually self-destruct. Very dangerous times we live in. The homosexuals in
California are endoctrinating the children because they can't have their
own children. We need more politicians with character and moral courage to
stand up against homosexuality.
Utah County Parent | 12:13 p.m. April 1, 2008
To all of you who say homosexuals don't recruit, I say you are wrong. My
teenage son was groomed by an older boy, who had come out of the closet to his
peers as a homosexual. This same young man also groomed other young boys, all
two to three years younger than himself. When they told us the things this
older boy did and said to get them interested, it was clear to me that it was a
textbook example of a sexual predator grooming his victims. Don't ever try
to tell me that homosexuals don't recruit! Perhaps many don't, but
many do. As far as whether homosexuality is wrong or right, you need not look
any further than the Proclomation on the Family. These are truly inspired
words. This doesn't mean we are to hate anybody. In fact, just the
opposite. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
Public Schools? | 12:11 p.m. April 1, 2008
As a Utah public school teacher with over 15 years of experience, I must have my
head buried in the sand. I have NEVER seen or heard of the "homosexual
agenda" being promoted in my school. That subject has always been
considered taboo. If a student ever brings the subject up in my class (it
happens occasionally) I have such a panic attack that I worry all night about
having "handled" it in the "right" way. Just for the
record--my response is always the same--"please talk with your parents
about it" and then we immediately go on with the required state curriculum.
Think!! | 12:13 p.m. April 1, 2008
This month my reading has involved "The Book of Mormon," "Early
Mormonism and the Magic World View," some conference talks I have enjoyed
in prepartion for General Conference, and "Guns, Germs and Steal."
My point? Open your mind and gather as much diverse information and opinions and possible. It feels good to make decisions based on a whole spectrum of ideas, opinions and information. It can be debilitating to feel like all that you think and do must be confined within a pre-determined, developed- since-birth, religious/cultural frame.
My point? Open your mind and gather as much diverse information and opinions and possible. It feels good to make decisions based on a whole spectrum of ideas, opinions and information. It can be debilitating to feel like all that you think and do must be confined within a pre-determined, developed- since-birth, religious/cultural frame.
Gordon | 12:14 p.m. April 1, 2008
After reading though this litany of snide, pro-homosexual comments, I can see
the concern of the moral community: the homosexual agenda is succeeding.
One more evidence of the decline of a once great nation as it follows the downward spiral of former great nations. America needs to wake and shape up.
One more evidence of the decline of a once great nation as it follows the downward spiral of former great nations. America needs to wake and shape up.
Mormon-Guy | 12:20 p.m. April 1, 2008
My Great Great Grandfather a good Mormon Practiced Plural Marriage in this
State,
at a time when Mormons were being raided and killed since Nauvoo Illinois. What�s wrong with this picture Mormons about gay men and women? Why cannot you accept them � why subject your children to �Electric Shock Therapy� Like I went through at BYU at 19 in the early 80�s, their little known SECRET LDS Cure homosexual Program!
It�s a very SAD day here in Utah, even among Mormons � where people equate homosexuality with Pedophiles, when most Pedophiles are Heterosexual!
at a time when Mormons were being raided and killed since Nauvoo Illinois. What�s wrong with this picture Mormons about gay men and women? Why cannot you accept them � why subject your children to �Electric Shock Therapy� Like I went through at BYU at 19 in the early 80�s, their little known SECRET LDS Cure homosexual Program!
It�s a very SAD day here in Utah, even among Mormons � where people equate homosexuality with Pedophiles, when most Pedophiles are Heterosexual!
Federal Farmer | 12:26 p.m. April 1, 2008
Sorry, but I wouldn't call this "hate mongering," nor would I say
that this would only happen in Utah. As much as I don't agree with some of
the things that were said by the group, I don't oppose their RIGHT to say
it. While we have yet to define what "rights" people have to marry
each other, there does exist a right to the freedom of speech. This group
shouldn't be silenced for pertaining to an unpopular belief that
homosexuality is wrong. Again, I may disagree with much of what they say, but
they should have every right to formulate and express this opinion.
Secondly, I think that you cannot lump all civil rights movements together; by doing so, you cannot adequately confront each issue entirely. Sorry, but I roll my eyes a little when I read things like "hate mongering," and likening this situation to "racism, sexism, violence, hate and bigotry." This little meeting, no matter how controversial, is far from these labels. It is alarming to me to see a society that throws such words around carelessly. "Our country was not founded on divisiveness." The Founding Era was quite divisive, actually.
Secondly, I think that you cannot lump all civil rights movements together; by doing so, you cannot adequately confront each issue entirely. Sorry, but I roll my eyes a little when I read things like "hate mongering," and likening this situation to "racism, sexism, violence, hate and bigotry." This little meeting, no matter how controversial, is far from these labels. It is alarming to me to see a society that throws such words around carelessly. "Our country was not founded on divisiveness." The Founding Era was quite divisive, actually.
Homosexuality ... | 12:21 p.m. April 1, 2008
... is no more about sex than heterosexuality is about sex.
Graham's group focuses rabidly on sex, sex, sex. Sex acts. Naked bodies. Diseases. They think about sex more than the people out having sex. I see nothing on Graham's "family" site about curbing the spread of emotional bonding between men and men or women and women. Just sex. Sex, sex. SEX!
Some people bond emotionally with same-sex people in a way that's impossible for them to do with opposite-sex people. Some of these same people engage in physical intimacy. Some do not.
Mr. Graham's web site features a variety of lies about disease and homosexuality.
The site claims if two people have sex, they will catch HIV if the two people are gay but not if they are straight.
His site says LDS Church members who feel attracted to people of the opposite sex but never act on it must also be punished because they are perverse and wrong in the Lord's eyes. (Last time I checked, temptation was not a sin according to LDS doctrine.)
My beliefs have no place for people who lie, manipulate, and militantly labor to create fear and misunderstanding in the name of Christ.
Graham's group focuses rabidly on sex, sex, sex. Sex acts. Naked bodies. Diseases. They think about sex more than the people out having sex. I see nothing on Graham's "family" site about curbing the spread of emotional bonding between men and men or women and women. Just sex. Sex, sex. SEX!
Some people bond emotionally with same-sex people in a way that's impossible for them to do with opposite-sex people. Some of these same people engage in physical intimacy. Some do not.
Mr. Graham's web site features a variety of lies about disease and homosexuality.
The site claims if two people have sex, they will catch HIV if the two people are gay but not if they are straight.
His site says LDS Church members who feel attracted to people of the opposite sex but never act on it must also be punished because they are perverse and wrong in the Lord's eyes. (Last time I checked, temptation was not a sin according to LDS doctrine.)
My beliefs have no place for people who lie, manipulate, and militantly labor to create fear and misunderstanding in the name of Christ.
To: Agenda? 10:00 a.m. | 12:29 p.m. April 1, 2008
You hit it on the head with your own words. "Advocacy group."
Do you belong to an advocacy group? If you are straight, does Planned Parenthood represent your agenda since they deal primarily with issues related to procreation, pregnancy, and prophylactics? If you are gay, does the LDS Same-Gender Family Home Evening Group that meets monthly in Alpine represent your views with what they advocate?
You're right. The only agendas are those of individuals or groups, and no group or person can sweepingly define an entire class of people or represent the desires of each.
Get over it with the agenda thing.
Do you belong to an advocacy group? If you are straight, does Planned Parenthood represent your agenda since they deal primarily with issues related to procreation, pregnancy, and prophylactics? If you are gay, does the LDS Same-Gender Family Home Evening Group that meets monthly in Alpine represent your views with what they advocate?
You're right. The only agendas are those of individuals or groups, and no group or person can sweepingly define an entire class of people or represent the desires of each.
Get over it with the agenda thing.
Joe | 12:33 p.m. April 1, 2008
I wonder if Graham got a standing ovation. Geez I'm glad I don't live
in Utah county.
TO: P in Mexifornia | 12:38 p.m. April 1, 2008
You say: "The homosexuals in California are endoctrinating the children
because they can't have their own children."
I'm wondering if by this you are implying that if same-sex couples were to have children, they would all be gay. But since they can't, they're trying to influence the children of others to become gay.
In case you hadn't noticed, every single gay person I know came from straight parents. Typical, everyday, mother-and-father families in Utah just keep on creating more and more gay children. Hmmm.
I'm wondering if by this you are implying that if same-sex couples were to have children, they would all be gay. But since they can't, they're trying to influence the children of others to become gay.
In case you hadn't noticed, every single gay person I know came from straight parents. Typical, everyday, mother-and-father families in Utah just keep on creating more and more gay children. Hmmm.
Willard | 12:40 p.m. April 1, 2008
Our communities and our nation as a whole needs to come together on policy and
program to address the gay problem it is a sickness that will do lasting damage
and harm to our society if we don't get it solved and under control. The
natural laws of nature do not support homosexual social intergration. We can not
fight and win over nature; we will lose and all pay the price for defiant gay
agendas.
Henry Drummond | 12:41 p.m. April 1, 2008
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that groups such as the "Standard Of
Liberty" do more to promote the "gay agenda" than anyone at the
"Gay Pride Center" ever could. They are so unreasonable and
non-factual that they are easy targets for those who promote Gay rights. Instead
of "raising awareness" their heavy handed tactics and extremism only
serve to create sympathy for Gays and help promote the very things they are
trying to avoid.
You guys need to get rid of people like Steve Graham and Chris Buttars and get someone who can make a logical case for their point of view.
You guys need to get rid of people like Steve Graham and Chris Buttars and get someone who can make a logical case for their point of view.
RE:Utah County Parent | 12:47 p.m. April 1, 2008
That man WAS a pedophile. I hope that you and the other families involved took
the proper action and had the man arrested, but there is a difference between
being gay and being a pedophile. I am a gay man who has absolutely ZERO
inclinations towards having ANY type of sexual contact with children of either
sex. And as far as the Proclomation of the Family comment, I have no idea what
your referring to.
To: P in Mexifornia | 12:45 p.m. April 1, 2008
�The homosexuals in California are endoctrinating the
children because they can't have their own
children.�
Tell me you are not serious! Sorry, but I am a straight 6th generation Californian, left only to attend school here, and I have never heard of such paranoia. Most homosexuals aren�t pedophiles, are free to adopt children in some states; and surprisingly enough, their children usually do not become homosexual. It really isn�t considered a learned behavior. Homosexuals would benefit little by indoctrinating your children. Homosexuality has been around for centuries. Consider yourself safe�it has never wiped out heterosexuality or you wouldn�t be here to make such bizarre statements.
Tell me you are not serious! Sorry, but I am a straight 6th generation Californian, left only to attend school here, and I have never heard of such paranoia. Most homosexuals aren�t pedophiles, are free to adopt children in some states; and surprisingly enough, their children usually do not become homosexual. It really isn�t considered a learned behavior. Homosexuals would benefit little by indoctrinating your children. Homosexuality has been around for centuries. Consider yourself safe�it has never wiped out heterosexuality or you wouldn�t be here to make such bizarre statements.
to willard | 12:57 p.m. April 1, 2008
So what is your FINAL SOLUTION to the "gay problem"?
Sickness.. | 1:05 p.m. April 1, 2008
There are a lot of people who keep referring to homosexuality as a sickness.
Alrighty then, is it a viral infection? How do you catch it? Is it an air
borne germ that you catch at a Cher concert? If is WERE a disease, why
isn't there a pharaceutical company working on a vaccine? OR is it a
disease that you catch by being recruited?
None of you anti gay people seem to be on the same track. You seem to have more reasons for homosexuality than the gay community does, and yours only raise more questions than answers.
None of you anti gay people seem to be on the same track. You seem to have more reasons for homosexuality than the gay community does, and yours only raise more questions than answers.
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