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Published: Tuesday, April 1 2008 12:18 a.m. MDT

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It Morals in GENERAL!!

It's an immoral society that is the problem and "gay" peoepl are part of it, just like "the other" people. Do you have "urges" to be with he same gender??? Well I have "urges" to be with all the "other sex" I can. If we act on them, we lose happiness.

We are free to choose what we want to do, but we are unable to determine the consequences. If you CHOOSE to live a gay life, please don't ask to raise children. Evn if all your "body parts" work correctly, you will never be able to cocieve a child....your choice, your consequence. I'm not saying you are "bad"...its just your choice.

All our morals could use some fixing!!!

Marriage?

Yes i do agree we can get married to the opposite sex if we choose to but you cant get mad at us when we ruin a family when they find out we are attracted to the same sex after having three kids. So which do you want to happen to society the only way i see us ruining the name and values of "marraige" is if we are forced to do it and tear the family apart. Where as if we could do it with out the fear and the forcment then marriage still would have the same meaning- Two people who really love eachother. Marriage after all was a government issued certificate so it has nothing to do with religion only if you choose to have your religion involved.

RangerGordon

Irrational:

What a condescending tone you've adopted.

However, what makes you think gays can't have children? Lots of gays do. And why do you think children in gay families are less deserving of their families' legal recognition?

I'm sure you'll come up with something, but the fact remains it's just not up to you to say. The courts will rule in favor of gay marriage one day.

You're free to have your opinion--and you're free not to marry someone of the same sex--but the rest of the world is under no obligation to live according to your wishes.

RE:You're logic is still irratio

RE: You're logic is still irrational
Yes i do agree we can get married to the opposite sex if we choose to but you cant get mad at us when we ruin a family when they find out we are attracted to the same sex after having three kids. So which do you want to happen to society the only way i see us ruining the name and values of "marraige" is if we are forced to do it and tear the family apart. Where as if we could do it with out the fear and the forcment then marriage still would have the same meaning- Two people who really love eachother. Marriage after all was a government issued certificate so it has nothing to do with religion only if you choose to have your religion involved.

Town Heathan

to: Ranger Gordon

You are absolutly right!!!

If Gay's are a threat to traditional marriage, then why is it that the heterosexual divorce rate is at over 50%?

Seems heterosexual's are what is really a threat to traditional marriage, and at a much more alarming (volume) rate.

to it's a karma thing

Really, Christ said if you love me keep my commandments. What part of thou shalt not commit adultery don't you understand? Fornication, same deal.

I believe is was Christ who said in Mark 10, "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Sounds to me that Christ told men to get married to a woman. As you would say, this is from your New Testament Christ... There are many more in the New Testament if you need them....

Homosexuality will never be acceptable behavior. Christ said so. I'm sorry you can't deal with that very well, but that's just the way life is. We have choices to make and get to reap the consequences of those choices.

As for the institution of marriage, it is being decimated because people can't follow the counsel above. And yes, homosexuals want to redefine marriage to their own liking. Sorry. As for rights, you have all the rights available to you in the eyes of the law!

I Feel Sad for Counterfeiters

"Two people who really love each other?" is your new definition of marriage. What?

Sorry, even if gay unions were considered marriage by the courts or whoever, it is still a poor substitution for the real thing. Why don't you push for Gay unions to have equal rights as married persons, then you wouldn't have to redefine marriage and the sanctity of that union.

Keep blaming us for not giving you everything a traditional marriage would (Joy in your posterity through gay union--inconceivable), but it is not our fault your poor imitation of marriage will never measure up. We can't give you the happiness of marriage you so desperately want, until you give up the sin that can never truly replicate full happiness.

re: Informed

I have no problem if people don't want to support those who are homosexual, that their right. However, I do have a problem if the information being distributed is not current and not factual causing fear and really in the end misinformation.

Grandfather of Four ... So Far

I know by the same way I know that the Book of Mormon is the word of God and that Joseph was God's prophet of the restoration, that my homosexual sexual orientation is God-given and that I am responsible to act just as morally in my same-sex relationship as heterosexual couples sealed in the temple have always been expected to act in their relationships. I know this and I know that God knows it, as He is my witness.

Anonymous

Grandfather...so you are saying that God "made" you gay. It was not something that you just allowed to grow? You know the parable of the good seed? Same situation. Only instead of it being a "good seed" it was the opposite. Don't you understand that you can nurture the "bad seed" also? Like another poster said, I have desires like these for beautiful women. If you use the arugument that you are only being who you truly are then I should leave my wife and kids and go be with all those women. But there is a thing called temptation and adversity that I must overcome. I am commanded by Christ (not the church) to be with my wife only. I obey that commandment and try to follow his teachings on how to prevent me from falling to those temptations. I know "God" did not make you gay. He allows Satan to tempt you according to YOUR weaknesses and if you succumb then you have proven yourself the unprofitable servant. He did not set you up for failure. You failed on your own. He has given you everything short of personal manafestations for you to succeed.

compassion always

I have the utmost compassion for those who proclaim to be speaking for God but are so full of hatred for those different than them they are actually speaking for Satan and aren't even aware of it.

Darin

re: compassion always:

Way to play the "hate" card. No way I could have seen that one coming.

Richard

Why are mormons the most intolerant people I have every met. It is actually funny. The comments on this mormon board illustrate the hate that the mormon church teaches.
Don't worry mormons, you are not alone, most religion pretend to "love" but in reality they promote hate and war.
I will continue to ski and hike on sundays with my family, teaching love and equality.
I hope to see you all there!

Rules Judge

When observing the modern liberal in verbal action ask a cogent relevant question they almost always will:
01. Refuse to answer yes or no
02. Get louder and talk faster or mock the questioner
03. Point at other bad behavior to excuse their bad behavior (this is in vogue now)
04. Topic-shift (often after being presented data on the current topic)
05. Start the victim litany
06. Talk or write non-stop to prevent further inquiry (a string of fact less assertions)
07. Feign anger or surprise that the questioner would stoop so low, etc
08. Claim its personal or under investigation so they cant comment
09. State firmly that you dont understand (aka you are stupid)
10. Present a distracting joke to trivialize the subject

Re: rules judge

And the neo-conservatives...they do what?

Grandfather of Four ... So Far

No, Anonymous, that is not what I was saying. Read and consider my whole message and all of the embedded and implied scriptural references from all of holy writ. Then you may get a more complete picture of what I am saying. -- May ye who have eyes to see and ears to hear both see and hear.

Feel Sad Why


RE: I Feel Sad for Counterfeiters
Have you ever been in a homosexual relationship? I doubt so, so how do you know its not the same feelings as a Heterosexual Relationship, Who gives you the authority to state that it doesnt deserve the same rights? Remeber to leave religion out of this because after all the Seperation of Church and State should still be inforced, To bad its all that your mind will think about. Love is Love it doesnt matter the gender god taught of love to everyone not just the opposite gender right?

Sad

Sad to see some condescending attitudes here from purported followers of Christ. How easily you condemn others as sinners, having never stepped in their shoes.

As an LDS member from abroad, living in Utah frequently reminds me of living among the Pharisees. Having gospel truths, Jesus instructed his followers to obey what the Pharisees taught, but he strongly criticized "hypocritical Pharisees" and those who were "leaven" among them that spoiled the whole group. Those Pharisees were so zealous for their oral interpretations that they violated the letter of Torah Law. Many were so focused on obedience and self-importance that they did not notice or care about the needs of those around them-- a problem that still rears its head among Church members today.

As long as I live in a democratic nation, I will exercise my right to free agency and refrain from condemning my neighbors the right to exercise theirs. I must frequently remind myself that the Church for me, will always be about how the Gospel enriches my own life, and not what the members think or say. I am perfectly content to allow the Lord to sit in judgment of us all, in the last days.

dear Grandfather of Four

that is very special. thank you for sharing it.

Anonymous

I am afraid the Mormon church has dropped the ball.
Their leaders seem to have forgotten to tell the flock that our God is an unconditionally, loving God.
I think they are focusing on the Old Testament God who likes to throw people into hell - because He loves them instead of the New Testament God.

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