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Aaron | 11:40 a.m. March 30, 2008
I've read quite a few comments from people complaining that they would get
thrown out of the arena if they tapped Sloan on the shoulder. Well, of course
you would. President Monson is one of the most recognizable people in Utah.
Security wouldn't throw him out because they know who he is, and they know
he isn't a threat. That's why it wasn't a security issue. If
Governor Huntsman or Rocky Anderson or Dick Nourse tapped Sloan on the shoulder
and quickly congratulated him, none of them would have been escorted out of the
arena. We're talking about a well-known, trusted public/social/religious
figure. It's silly to complain that they aren't treated the same as
the rest of us.
Anonymous | 11:58 a.m. March 30, 2008
i love how everyone is freaking out about this...relax! it's just an
article
Eastern observer | 12:47 p.m. March 30, 2008
elo --I live in New England-- don't you know all papers produce their own
form of propaganda? My goodness how naive you are! Nobody forces another person
to read or believe what they read. Newspapers are supposed to report and not
editorialize--only on the editorial page, but we all know better.
I agree with whoever said if it were a Hollywood celebrity who tapped Sloan on the shoulder, this discussion wouldn't even be happening.
I haven't lived in Utah for 20 years now. But I do know that instead of telling those who dislike Mormons that we were here first, or they can find move out of state, we are supposed to be kind. Sloanshock-- you are entitled to your opinion.You must know a Mormon you don't like much, maybe more than one. OK, a whole bunch. I'd say the blame doesn't rest on your shoulders. We are a flawed people and turn a lot of people off. I hope you meet a good Mormon who will change your mind.
I agree with whoever said if it were a Hollywood celebrity who tapped Sloan on the shoulder, this discussion wouldn't even be happening.
I haven't lived in Utah for 20 years now. But I do know that instead of telling those who dislike Mormons that we were here first, or they can find move out of state, we are supposed to be kind. Sloanshock-- you are entitled to your opinion.You must know a Mormon you don't like much, maybe more than one. OK, a whole bunch. I'd say the blame doesn't rest on your shoulders. We are a flawed people and turn a lot of people off. I hope you meet a good Mormon who will change your mind.
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Take your chances | 1:04 p.m. March 30, 2008
You have to admit its better to err on the side of being friendly than not. If
some hpersensitive people are offended by your friendliness than oh well.
Sometimes you can't win for losing.
Please Stop!!! | 2:20 p.m. March 30, 2008
I know members are sticking up for their Church and Prophet but PLEASE stop with
the "if you don't like it then move" comments. It makes us look
so bad and is against everything general authorites have been begging us to do
in regards to non-members for years now.
Again, the ONLY problem here was the unfortunate timing. If Monson had walked by and offered his quick hello while Sloan was turned around and not in a timeout it would have been just fine. The timing of being in a timeout is the only unfortunate aspect of this - and the fact that it brings out the LDS "move if you can't deal with us" idiotic comments.
Again, the ONLY problem here was the unfortunate timing. If Monson had walked by and offered his quick hello while Sloan was turned around and not in a timeout it would have been just fine. The timing of being in a timeout is the only unfortunate aspect of this - and the fact that it brings out the LDS "move if you can't deal with us" idiotic comments.
Ken From Tri-Cities | 2:46 p.m. March 30, 2008
Way to go President Monson and get out and enjoy sports event and life.
Henry | 3:46 p.m. March 30, 2008
To Aaron,
You make a good point. There are two problems with it, however:
1. Those other "celebrities" would have had the sense not to ever interrupt a huddle like that. They may be full of themselves, but not so much so that they would do that!
2. Those other "celebrities" are not RELIGIOUS leaders. Christian religious leaders should be ESPECIALLY careful not to aspire to celebrity status, nor to take advantage of such status that may come to them inadvertently.
Bottom line: Monson made a very public mistake.
You make a good point. There are two problems with it, however:
1. Those other "celebrities" would have had the sense not to ever interrupt a huddle like that. They may be full of themselves, but not so much so that they would do that!
2. Those other "celebrities" are not RELIGIOUS leaders. Christian religious leaders should be ESPECIALLY careful not to aspire to celebrity status, nor to take advantage of such status that may come to them inadvertently.
Bottom line: Monson made a very public mistake.
Kerry | 4:08 p.m. March 30, 2008
People like to see Monson and his wife attend a Jazz game because it goes
against stereotypes and confirms a religious moderation - "See! Even Monson
is not a fanatic. He likes the Jazz!"
Religious moderation is very popular these days. But religious moderation is a retreat from fundamentalism (scriptural literalism), and is not canonical.
The only reason anyone is "moderate" in matters of faith is that he has assimilated some of the fruits of the last two thousand years of human thought (democratic politics, scientific advancement, human rights, and an end to cultural and geographic isolation).
The doors leading out of scriptural literalism and fanaticism do not open from the inside. The moderation we see among nonfundamentalists (symbolized by Monson at the Jazz game) is not some sign that faith itself has evolved; it is, rather, the product of the many hammer blows of modernity that have exposed certain tenets of faith to doubt.
In the general population, religious moderation springs from the fact that even the least educated among us simply knows more about how the universe really works than anyone did two thousand years ago - and much of this knowledge is incompatible with scripture/faith.
Religious moderation is very popular these days. But religious moderation is a retreat from fundamentalism (scriptural literalism), and is not canonical.
The only reason anyone is "moderate" in matters of faith is that he has assimilated some of the fruits of the last two thousand years of human thought (democratic politics, scientific advancement, human rights, and an end to cultural and geographic isolation).
The doors leading out of scriptural literalism and fanaticism do not open from the inside. The moderation we see among nonfundamentalists (symbolized by Monson at the Jazz game) is not some sign that faith itself has evolved; it is, rather, the product of the many hammer blows of modernity that have exposed certain tenets of faith to doubt.
In the general population, religious moderation springs from the fact that even the least educated among us simply knows more about how the universe really works than anyone did two thousand years ago - and much of this knowledge is incompatible with scripture/faith.
To Kerry | 5:19 p.m. March 30, 2008
Kerry - Well said!
Fun Lover | 10:28 p.m. March 30, 2008
I was glad to see President Monson in attendance. He shows that it's good
to have a well-balanced life. Yes, there is a time for recreation. I'll
bet you wouldn't see President Monson at a Sunday playoff game!
As for the Mormophobes who come out in droves anytime Mormon or LDS is mentioned in an article, get a life.
As for the Mormophobes who come out in droves anytime Mormon or LDS is mentioned in an article, get a life.
Great and Spacious Building | 12:06 a.m. March 31, 2008
Certainly there is a similarity to this and those in the "great and
spacious" building who mock those who are partaking of the tree of life.
The most interesting part of the article is that President Monson seems to be the only one in the photo who is having a good time.
The most interesting part of the article is that President Monson seems to be the only one in the photo who is having a good time.
franna | 6:40 a.m. March 31, 2008
whats the big deal
Anonymous | 7:54 a.m. March 31, 2008
Mormons are so [un]intelligent with their responses.
"Get a life"
"If you don't like it, move out of Utah"
"Move on"
"What's the big deal"
"All you anti's and Mormophobes are just hateful"
...are THESE the most intelligent responses you can come up with? Mingled with a few outright distortions of history and nonsensical lies?
I thought BYU was a better school than that! I thought Mormons prided themselves on education. "The glory of God is intelligence" they say, but this lame responses certainly don't reveal any glory among Mormon commenters on this blog.
"Get a life"
"If you don't like it, move out of Utah"
"Move on"
"What's the big deal"
"All you anti's and Mormophobes are just hateful"
...are THESE the most intelligent responses you can come up with? Mingled with a few outright distortions of history and nonsensical lies?
I thought BYU was a better school than that! I thought Mormons prided themselves on education. "The glory of God is intelligence" they say, but this lame responses certainly don't reveal any glory among Mormon commenters on this blog.
Dutchman | 7:57 a.m. March 31, 2008
I grew up in Pres. Monson's LDS Ward. Back in the 60's members of the
Ward would spend a few days at Bear Lake each summer for an outing. Pres.
Monson (Elder Monson at the time) was conducting some church business in the
area and stopped by to visit with the ward members. He walked out on the beach
in his best sunday clothes right while a water fight was going on. One of the
teenagers in the Ward dumped a bucket of cold dirty lake water on Elder Monson
from behind. He was very cool and forgiving about it even though he had to
drive back to Salt Lake City in a suit of wet clothes that smelled like Bear
Lake. Pres. Monson has always been a very friendly outgoing person. He likes
to be around people. He is a very spiritual religious man but he has never lost
the common touch.
BYU | 8:03 a.m. March 31, 2008
I had no idea he liked the Jazz! HE is a big BYU fan too. He loves Penn
State's head coach. He may have graduated from the u, but quickly learned
his mistake and now cheer's for the Y! Good job president! ha ha (all in
fun!)
Mark | 8:42 a.m. March 31, 2008
I've met and talked with Tom Monson on and off through my entire life. I
remember he was a member of a pigeon club with my grandfather when I was a kid.
He'd sit down with the older gentlemen in the club, in a cloud of cigarette
smoke with coffee pots bubbling nearby and never criticize the men or get
haughty. He'd laugh and joke and have a real good time.
I ran into him recently in the Little America Cafe having lunch with his wife. He remembered the old days in the pigeon club and joked with my son (age 7). His wit and memory have dimmed some, but he is still the gentleman that he always was.
I do know that as a boss, he can be tough and demanding. But I hope that those who are not LDS take note of this fact: If you have a Mormon neighbor or acquaintance who is far, far less of a caring human being than he or she should be, it isn't because of Tom Monson's example.
I ran into him recently in the Little America Cafe having lunch with his wife. He remembered the old days in the pigeon club and joked with my son (age 7). His wit and memory have dimmed some, but he is still the gentleman that he always was.
I do know that as a boss, he can be tough and demanding. But I hope that those who are not LDS take note of this fact: If you have a Mormon neighbor or acquaintance who is far, far less of a caring human being than he or she should be, it isn't because of Tom Monson's example.
Cougargal | 9:19 a.m. March 31, 2008
Yes... I love President Monson, I'm excited to see what he does for the
church, I've been looking forward to his leadership, and I'm SO
PLEASED that he's a Jazz fan! YAY!
Plus, I think it's good that we get to see our leaders chilling a little bit and being normal people. It makes them more approachable, and honestly, it's easier to take them more seriously when you know that they are balanced in their church/home/work/leisure activities.
Go Jazz!
Plus, I think it's good that we get to see our leaders chilling a little bit and being normal people. It makes them more approachable, and honestly, it's easier to take them more seriously when you know that they are balanced in their church/home/work/leisure activities.
Go Jazz!
Simon Says | 9:39 a.m. March 31, 2008
I was at the game on Friday night - -in the nose bleed section. Didn't
even know that Pres Monson was there. I would like to make a few comments:
1. I think it is great that a religious leader of an international church would show is human side.
2. I don't think Pres Monson would orchestrate such an act, but probably out of sheer delight went over and "greeted" the players and coach.
3. I think it is interesting that Sloan and co don't seem to know who the Pres of the LDS Church is. Come on, you can see the SLT from the ESA. If they were professional sportsmen in Rome, Italy you could bet your bottom dollar that they'd know who the Pope is.
4. LHM is Sloan's boss and LDS. If Sloan and co don't even know who Pres Monson is then LHM better be a better example.
5. Just wish that the dancers were wearing a little more.
6. Why wouldn't a big deal of the LDS Prophet being at Jazz Game be made. This is Utah. The LDS church is big here.
It's PART of what makes Utah great.
1. I think it is great that a religious leader of an international church would show is human side.
2. I don't think Pres Monson would orchestrate such an act, but probably out of sheer delight went over and "greeted" the players and coach.
3. I think it is interesting that Sloan and co don't seem to know who the Pres of the LDS Church is. Come on, you can see the SLT from the ESA. If they were professional sportsmen in Rome, Italy you could bet your bottom dollar that they'd know who the Pope is.
4. LHM is Sloan's boss and LDS. If Sloan and co don't even know who Pres Monson is then LHM better be a better example.
5. Just wish that the dancers were wearing a little more.
6. Why wouldn't a big deal of the LDS Prophet being at Jazz Game be made. This is Utah. The LDS church is big here.
It's PART of what makes Utah great.
GoAggies | 9:44 a.m. March 31, 2008
I found it a bit odd that when asked to name his favorite player he mentions the
only two white Jazz players who are American, and both of them bench players at
that. Korver and Harpring!!!!
That was strange. And I am a devout LDS person, but it's little things like that that kinda make us look narrow and racist.
If someone asked me my favorite Jazz player, I would say Deron Williams, because he is the best player on our team by far. He's the heart of the Jazz. But I guess if Monson said Williams, then he would be advocating a black guy with tatoos. Kinda how I read his response. I may be wrong about that ...
Monson is entitled to his opinion, of course, but his opinion reflected a creepiness that perhaps matched the creepiness of the whole incident of interrupting a time out. I agree with some of the posters, even though I respect and love Pres. Monson.
That was strange. And I am a devout LDS person, but it's little things like that that kinda make us look narrow and racist.
If someone asked me my favorite Jazz player, I would say Deron Williams, because he is the best player on our team by far. He's the heart of the Jazz. But I guess if Monson said Williams, then he would be advocating a black guy with tatoos. Kinda how I read his response. I may be wrong about that ...
Monson is entitled to his opinion, of course, but his opinion reflected a creepiness that perhaps matched the creepiness of the whole incident of interrupting a time out. I agree with some of the posters, even though I respect and love Pres. Monson.
comment | 9:56 a.m. March 31, 2008
I'm not a resident of Utah but after reading some of the mormon, anti
mormon comments it seems that the Utah War of the late 1800's is still
raging. Is it time to wave the white flag,call a truce,sign a treaty and stop
the verbal battle.Here where I live President Monson is the prophet not a
celebrity.And the Pistons are still #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wishing 4 more lighter moments | 11:35 a.m. March 31, 2008
How funny! It makes me smile. If we were all more affable, we would know how to
react to the friendliness of President Monson. We could all be a little more
childlike, and less concerned about how others will take a kind gesture.
So it was unexpected. No harm done; the Jazz players got a good laugh, loosened up, and their play happened to improve. Interestingly, when Boozer, for example, found out that it wasn't just some regular fan, but a Utah figure showing support, he thought it was cool.
A little less paranoia--like the stressed out adults here, who are reading too much into this--and society would be a lot more fun. Go Jazz!
So it was unexpected. No harm done; the Jazz players got a good laugh, loosened up, and their play happened to improve. Interestingly, when Boozer, for example, found out that it wasn't just some regular fan, but a Utah figure showing support, he thought it was cool.
A little less paranoia--like the stressed out adults here, who are reading too much into this--and society would be a lot more fun. Go Jazz!
Alex | 12:05 p.m. March 31, 2008
The hero-worship among the LDS is disturbing. True Christians should be
worshipping nobody but Christ. That LDS treat their church leaders with such
worship contributes to the perception that they are a cult, and that they are
NOT Christian. If the LDS want to give outsiders reason to believe they are
Christian, and do not worship Joseph Smith and all of his successors, they need
to be careful with how they view and explain events such as President
Monson's taking such liberties with the huddle. When you defend it at all
cost, you give the impression you are blindly following a cult leader rather
than merely showing respect for a human leader who makes mistakes. People's
ears and hearts close off when you express such fanatic defense of a mere mortal
such as President Monson. Anybody with any sense could see it was inappropriate
- even the players and Sloan were puzzled as to what he was doing. You defend it
at the expense of your missionary efforts.
Dear Alex | 12:43 p.m. March 31, 2008
Have you listened to General Conference to see how many people apparently have
not read or heard your views? Something around 300,000 a year join the LDS
Church.
It must be a terrible detriment to the growth of the church.
It must be a terrible detriment to the growth of the church.
re: GoAggies | 1:02 p.m. March 31, 2008
Oh please! He is not being racist at all. If you hear him talk he loves to
talk about his experiences from everywhere. You are thinking he's being
racist because that's the latest thing to do in our country. He is simply
saying who he likes. People in this country need to lay off the racist issue
and quit over analyzing it.
Tim Duncan | 1:05 p.m. March 31, 2008
I sustain the prophet.
However ...
GO SPURS!
San Antonio Spurs-hating Jazz fans are the real blind sheep cult in Utah.
However ...
GO SPURS!
San Antonio Spurs-hating Jazz fans are the real blind sheep cult in Utah.
Ed | 1:24 p.m. March 31, 2008
Breaking News!!! Thomas Monson pats Jerry Sloan on back!! Thanks for the
greatest non-story ever. When President Monson walks into a building and says hi
to people I'm not so sure that it's worth writing an article about.
Sloan and Boozer really didn't sound that surprised. This article is
pointless.
Eastern Observer | 4:46 p.m. March 31, 2008
I guess this ridiculous tit-for-tat indicates that we all can be grateful we
don't have something more catastrophic to be getting excited about.
To Mormon Defenders | 4:52 p.m. March 31, 2008
Mormon Defenders:
I am an active LDS member and never like to hear people attack the Mormon church, or our prophet. However, I realize that the more you fight back, the more anit-mormonism you will see. They are all hoping for a reaction and have definitely succeeded with a few, which makes them think they represent the whole. Watch what happens if you don't respond to their comments. Think about it, why would an anti-mormon read the Deseret News? To post comments about how they hate the Mormon church and then laugh as the Mormons get offended. Just let them be and they will disappear.
I am an active LDS member and never like to hear people attack the Mormon church, or our prophet. However, I realize that the more you fight back, the more anit-mormonism you will see. They are all hoping for a reaction and have definitely succeeded with a few, which makes them think they represent the whole. Watch what happens if you don't respond to their comments. Think about it, why would an anti-mormon read the Deseret News? To post comments about how they hate the Mormon church and then laugh as the Mormons get offended. Just let them be and they will disappear.
Margaret | 6:02 p.m. March 31, 2008
I am LDS and live in Australia and I cant believe the hype that is being written
about a great night out at a Jazz game. Does this happen all the time in SLC? I
am glad I don't live there. We love the prophet and I say "good on
him" have fun while you are able. All work and no play makes Tom a dull
boy!
Anonymous | 7:51 p.m. March 31, 2008
To To Mormon Defenders,
Does it work for you to live in such a paranoid world where everyone is out to get the Mormons? That seems like it would be very depressing. Had any Prosac lately?
No, there is no conspiracy of anti-Mormons "out there" trying to take over the DN comments sections. Most non-members (which is the population of people you seem to think are anti-Mormons) have much more important things to do than to waste time on religious squabbles.
Some of us like to attend Jazz games! I am the guy with one eye in the lower left of the picture!
Smile!
Does it work for you to live in such a paranoid world where everyone is out to get the Mormons? That seems like it would be very depressing. Had any Prosac lately?
No, there is no conspiracy of anti-Mormons "out there" trying to take over the DN comments sections. Most non-members (which is the population of people you seem to think are anti-Mormons) have much more important things to do than to waste time on religious squabbles.
Some of us like to attend Jazz games! I am the guy with one eye in the lower left of the picture!
Smile!
Brian | 7:51 p.m. March 31, 2008
It is disturbing that this article has so many posts. We have some serious
problems in the country and everyone is concerned about whether or not it was
okay for President Monson to stop and say hi? WAKE UP OUT THERE!!! Don't
be so small and petty. He is a guy who want to go to a ball game. Big
woop-de-doo! Maybe if they dropped chuch pamphlets from the rafters between
quaters you would have something to complain about. Get over it!
Anonymous | 8:04 p.m. March 31, 2008
The people who are making a big deal out of this are the people who engage in
hero-worship. If Monson was treated as a regular person, as he is supposed to be
treated, the news agencies would not have printed a story about it. But because
people clamour to treat the Church coprorate president as if he is a god, or at
least a celebrity, you ALL are making a big deal out of it. Don't like it
being made a big deal? Then quit worshipping a common man!
Anonymous | 9:09 p.m. March 31, 2008
What exactly is so special about Monson, anyway? He is no different than any
other corporate executive. He is the President of a very large corporation. He
gets a comfortable compensation and fringe benefits (like good seats at a Jazz
game). I don't see what the fuss is about. He's just another executive
wearing a suit to a basketball game...
Former LDS Hater | 9:42 p.m. March 31, 2008
I apologive for all my hateful posts I have made on this and other blogs. I
have been full of hatred for the past while and I wanted to say sorry. Most
people I know that make posts do it to stir up the pot against Mormons. I am
sorry and will not do it again.
Current LDS Hater | 9:43 p.m. March 31, 2008
Oh, look how sweet. A do-gooder has faked like he is a repentant "LDS
Hater" who got religion.
Don't you people ever stop with the deception and lies to try and justify your self-righteous arrogance?
Don't you people ever stop with the deception and lies to try and justify your self-righteous arrogance?
utahproud | 10:10 p.m. March 31, 2008
To all you people who think Utah is a terrible place to live and click your
tongues and laugh at us, why are you reading our news? There are good and bad
people in every part of the world. I lived away from Utah for several years
after having been raised here, and I would bash Utah just to fit in with my ward
members. However, I quickly learned after returning to live in Utah, that you
still can't find more energetic, talented, service-oriented AWESOME people,
LDS or not. We are blessed with the good things of the earth AND heaven. I
think you all should be jealous you don't live here!!!
LovePresMonson | 10:37 p.m. March 31, 2008
I love President Monson and have actually had the privilege of meeting him in
February. He is such a great man and very personable. I think it is so cute how
he is still in a suit! I love that guy. He is truly the prophet of the Lord!
stereotyping | 11:45 p.m. March 31, 2008
I think their is way to much stereotyping going on from both mormons and
non-mormons alike. Alot of Mormons claim that everyone who has a negative
reaction to this is an anti-mormon. That is simply not true. Alot of
Anti-mormons posts say that all we can do is fight back with harsh words and
they characterize all mormons by the actions of a few. I wish they would read
the posts where mormons are telling their fellow members to be nice and quit
telling people they have to leave. There is good in both of us. I know many self
described anti mormons who I think are great people. They simply have their own
set of beliefs and feel it is their responsibility to try to share with others
what they believe to be true, Just like us.
Ryan | 12:23 a.m. April 1, 2008
Why did Sister Monson look so angry?
Yada-Yada | 7:45 a.m. April 1, 2008
Gee I'm LDS and I think it's GREAT to have the Pres. Monson come out
of his 'sky box' and come sit with us regular folk. And as someone
else said it will be GREAT to see him in the soup line helping the poor soon.
Man I love the GREAT P.R. work he's doing for our church. He's such a
humble man.
How were those hot dogs....I bet not quiet as good as Huntsmans T-Bones!!!!
I want to write more....but I'm feeling sick and need to puke!!!
How were those hot dogs....I bet not quiet as good as Huntsmans T-Bones!!!!
I want to write more....but I'm feeling sick and need to puke!!!
Frank | 11:12 a.m. April 2, 2008
Forget Coal power and nuclear reactors, if scientists could draw power off of
over-reactors, we could power the city on this message board alone!!
OMGoodneSS. | 2:43 p.m. April 2, 2008
..so many HATERS in BOOtah.if you don't like this story no one put a gun to
your head and forced you to read it. dang. i'm sure you can go do something
productive other than running your mouth on a WEBSITE. losers! "if you
don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it all" SIMPLE AS
THAT!
The AvaMolifua's for San Jose Ca | 10:25 a.m. April 3, 2008
Its great to see our Prophet enjoying himself and lets people know he is just
like us and not some untouchable person. He keeps it REAL. Love the Prophet but
I will have to continue to root for our LAKERS babayyyyyyyyyy!
Dan M. | 10:25 a.m. May 4, 2009
No, anti-Mormons are nothing like us Mormons. Our message is constructive,
theirs is destructive - for starters. Unlike the antis, we do not spend our time
- indeed, our whole lives - tearning down others and their religion.
I firmly believe the Catholic Church to be false. But I have never once posted anything negative anywhere about the Pope or the Catholic Church whenever either has appeared in the news. Why should I? Unlike the anti-Mormons, I am not threatened by a church with which I disagree.
I firmly believe the Catholic Church to be false. But I have never once posted anything negative anywhere about the Pope or the Catholic Church whenever either has appeared in the news. Why should I? Unlike the anti-Mormons, I am not threatened by a church with which I disagree.
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problem, the U.S. government under the direction of the libs in the white...
The only thing good about Max Hall (in this case) is he was telling it like...
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