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SRA | 6:10 p.m. March 27, 2008
I agree with Standard of Liberty (and other groups like SOL opposed to liberty)
that the meeting should be held, and the main topic should be blatant
Same-Religion-Attraction. This severe social problem is rampant in Utah.
Although Same-Religion-Attraction is a genetic condition for a tiny percentage
of people, it is primarily a cultural problem for the rest, which can be
overcome with aversion therapy.
Unfortunately, SRA activist groups promoting the HomoReligious agenda ensure the proliferation of this unfortunate social malady, which leads to an increase in STDs due their aversion to sex education. We must protect our children from HomoReligious activists and the devastation caused by falling into the trap of Same-Religion-Attraction. For those you know who are pre-disposed to SRA, remind them that you love them while helping them control their self-destructive impulses.
Unfortunately, SRA activist groups promoting the HomoReligious agenda ensure the proliferation of this unfortunate social malady, which leads to an increase in STDs due their aversion to sex education. We must protect our children from HomoReligious activists and the devastation caused by falling into the trap of Same-Religion-Attraction. For those you know who are pre-disposed to SRA, remind them that you love them while helping them control their self-destructive impulses.
MaryT | 6:12 p.m. March 27, 2008
Sex, gay or straight, is none of the school's business. Their only business
is to teach and protect.
Teachers teach and maintain a safe learning environment in the classroom.
Administrators facilitate learning as they support teachers in the classroom. They also effect safety, security, and a atmosphere conducive to learning in the rest of the school.
Administrators halt bullying!!
The community needs to butt out. This issue is not their business either. I pay my taxes and want it to buy academic training for our children.
How can students do their job --LEARN-- when some feel attacked and others feel authorized by their parents and other adults to bully fellow students.
This is a family deal! Everyone else should follow the Savior -- "love one another as I have loved you".
Teachers teach and maintain a safe learning environment in the classroom.
Administrators facilitate learning as they support teachers in the classroom. They also effect safety, security, and a atmosphere conducive to learning in the rest of the school.
Administrators halt bullying!!
The community needs to butt out. This issue is not their business either. I pay my taxes and want it to buy academic training for our children.
How can students do their job --LEARN-- when some feel attacked and others feel authorized by their parents and other adults to bully fellow students.
This is a family deal! Everyone else should follow the Savior -- "love one another as I have loved you".
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russ | 6:27 p.m. March 27, 2008
Lots of misinformation here on this blog today. Lots of absolute falsehoods.
Makes me wonder if we are truly the top of the evolutionary chain.
When we are young, our leaders tell us stories, tales, myths, and facts. As we get older, we begin to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Then in order to keep our place in society we swallow whole absolutely illogical things. Can't someone just reexamine their life and toss aside the myths, prejudices, biases, and falsehoods they have been told?
Apparently not.
When we are young, our leaders tell us stories, tales, myths, and facts. As we get older, we begin to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Then in order to keep our place in society we swallow whole absolutely illogical things. Can't someone just reexamine their life and toss aside the myths, prejudices, biases, and falsehoods they have been told?
Apparently not.
confused | 6:34 p.m. March 27, 2008
who was telling the kids in school that homosexualality was okay, is there a new
curriculum that I'm not aware of?
I thought since I was a parent these were my options to discuss with my children in the way I see fit.
I thought since I was a parent these were my options to discuss with my children in the way I see fit.
Truth, calm down | 6:46 p.m. March 27, 2008
There were no personal attacks to you intended.
My point is that there are many people who never look outside of their own beliefs.
It was very sobering to go to a meeting recently regarding teen homelessness and finding that the one group with the largest percentage of homelessness is the gay community. As a mother, I cannot imagine allowing my children to be homeless because they feel abandoned.
The "I"s (not you) don't look outside their world to see how these kids can be affected because they are not properly nurtured and accepted.
"I" am a heterosexual, married 20 years and for me personally that is best.
If you are as thoughtful as you seem in your post, I would invite you to rent and view the documentary, For the Bible Tells Me So. It gives loving views of how parents have come to accept their homosexual children.
I personally have a homosexual god-son. And in my heart of hearts, I truly believe he was born that way.
As to the meeting at American Fork High...it seemed that it would have done more harm than good.
Sorry for the offense.
TP
My point is that there are many people who never look outside of their own beliefs.
It was very sobering to go to a meeting recently regarding teen homelessness and finding that the one group with the largest percentage of homelessness is the gay community. As a mother, I cannot imagine allowing my children to be homeless because they feel abandoned.
The "I"s (not you) don't look outside their world to see how these kids can be affected because they are not properly nurtured and accepted.
"I" am a heterosexual, married 20 years and for me personally that is best.
If you are as thoughtful as you seem in your post, I would invite you to rent and view the documentary, For the Bible Tells Me So. It gives loving views of how parents have come to accept their homosexual children.
I personally have a homosexual god-son. And in my heart of hearts, I truly believe he was born that way.
As to the meeting at American Fork High...it seemed that it would have done more harm than good.
Sorry for the offense.
TP
L. G. KIRKPATRICK | 7:55 p.m. March 27, 2008
And the Monster "IGNORANCE" rears its ugly head again. What a tragedy.
Please Remember D&C 121 | 10:00 p.m. March 27, 2008
To all those LDS people who are posting passionate rebukes in an attempt to
teach gay advocates why they are wrong... please remember that this is an issue
that needs to be handled with great sensitivity. It is a highly complicated
matter and runs deep down to the very identity of the individuals afflicted.
While some people choose to use passionate rhetoric to advocate homosexuality and denounce the Church, that doesn't mean we as Church members should throw away the admonitions of D&C 121. You may think you're simply standing up for what you believe in, but unfortunately you may be doing more than that. I know this because I am a Mormon who struggles with 'SSA' (as some choose to call it). Two weeks ago I was having a particularly bad day and was feeling distraught. Somehow I came across a message board where multiple Church members had posted judgmental, insensitive, and anger-filled responses tho those who had submitted equally passionate posts justifying their gay lifestyle. The lack of understanding expressed by my fellow Saints put me over the edge, and I attempted suicide.
I'm not trying to blame anybody...I just ask that we choose our words carefully.
While some people choose to use passionate rhetoric to advocate homosexuality and denounce the Church, that doesn't mean we as Church members should throw away the admonitions of D&C 121. You may think you're simply standing up for what you believe in, but unfortunately you may be doing more than that. I know this because I am a Mormon who struggles with 'SSA' (as some choose to call it). Two weeks ago I was having a particularly bad day and was feeling distraught. Somehow I came across a message board where multiple Church members had posted judgmental, insensitive, and anger-filled responses tho those who had submitted equally passionate posts justifying their gay lifestyle. The lack of understanding expressed by my fellow Saints put me over the edge, and I attempted suicide.
I'm not trying to blame anybody...I just ask that we choose our words carefully.
Basurado | 1:03 a.m. March 28, 2008
So, by saying that God definitly created mankind as heterosexual is all well and
good, however, what about people who are both male and female, that is, people
born with both male and female reproductive organs? In most cases, at birth the
child's parents decide on their gender, and one set of organs is removed.
What if the parents get it wrong and their boy was supposed to be a girl or vise
versa? Does that mean that this isn't one of God's creations? God
created people as people, not as elders quorum presidents. Some people prefer
coffee in the morning and some tea. Some like swiss cheese and some like
cheddar. Some like both. Gay people are not a social problem. Socially ignorant
people, however, are. For goodness sake. I don't understand why people in
this state have such a hard time being christian.
Anonymous | 3:06 a.m. March 28, 2008
Some Utahn's just can't stop doing things to make themselves a
laughing stock. I applaud the school official who stopped this insanity. I
don't take drugs prescription nor illegal. I'm heterosexual. I
don't care about pornography and don't look at it but I don't
find the human form dirty or objectionable. I've had gay friends and it was
never an issue for me.
Utahn's are wound up so tight and are so worried about so many things. Is this why so many Utahns need anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds to get through the day?
Utahn's are wound up so tight and are so worried about so many things. Is this why so many Utahns need anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds to get through the day?
SJ Bobkins | 3:34 a.m. March 28, 2008
If we deny they exist, they'll just go away. That philosophy has worked so
well in the 30,000 or so years man has been upon this earth.
Just as many folks were caught with their tail between their legs on the Black issue, those who somehow believe that gay people decide to be gay, with also be caught on the wrong side of their prejudices.
Blacks we're not allowed to mix, worship, or live with whites, and they could be placed in slavery because they had no soul as others did. We know that isn't true nor is their origin from the line of Cain. A gay person is born gay just as I was born with blue eyes and left-handed. No amount of ignorance or abuse is going to change my eye color to brown nor allow me to write right handed.
Think, It doesn't hurt.
Just as many folks were caught with their tail between their legs on the Black issue, those who somehow believe that gay people decide to be gay, with also be caught on the wrong side of their prejudices.
Blacks we're not allowed to mix, worship, or live with whites, and they could be placed in slavery because they had no soul as others did. We know that isn't true nor is their origin from the line of Cain. A gay person is born gay just as I was born with blue eyes and left-handed. No amount of ignorance or abuse is going to change my eye color to brown nor allow me to write right handed.
Think, It doesn't hurt.
Mom in MO | 3:40 a.m. March 28, 2008
Suppose for a moment that gay is not a choice, but inborn. Suppose that science
actually finds a gene or combination of genes that proves this. Suppose that
prenatal testing can tell the parents that their soon-to-be-born baby will be
gay. Do you think the abortion rate will increase? It's all about choice,
isn't it?
Until proven | 7:04 a.m. March 28, 2008
Bobkins: Until it's proven without doubt that one is born gay, it goes
contrary to logic to compare "gayness" to the color of one's eyes
as an inborn trait. We KNOW that eye color is inborn. There's NO PROOF that
sexual orientation is inborn. You tell us to "think, it doesn't
hurt." You might try thinking yourself - without inventing so-called
facts.
Until it's proven otherwise, I and many others will continue seeing sexual orientation as a choice. I agree tendencies exist, as they do to alcoholism, anger or violence.
And I hope that those who see homosexuality as wrong (as I do) will also be tolerant of others' right to choose and live as they will. So long as they do not bemoan our right to teach our children what we feel is right and wrong.
Until it's proven otherwise, I and many others will continue seeing sexual orientation as a choice. I agree tendencies exist, as they do to alcoholism, anger or violence.
And I hope that those who see homosexuality as wrong (as I do) will also be tolerant of others' right to choose and live as they will. So long as they do not bemoan our right to teach our children what we feel is right and wrong.
Mortimer | 7:38 a.m. March 28, 2008
I love these "intolerent and ignorant" comments. What a joke. So
someone wants to have a forum for interested people to discuss their concerns.
How dare they? All you tolerent people who love tolerence so much and
can't stand the intolerence of ignorant ignores make me laugh. Look at
yourselves, you're so tolerent and enlightened you can't stand the
thought of people with differing opinions to have any forum whatsoever in any
public setting. You know what you've done? Proven why people should take
even more aggressive action to ensure their children are protected against
ideals that they deem damaging to their kids. Tally it up folks, what's
the natural reaction of people who thought they had been minding their right to
assemble and some pressure group says "no, you don't?" Whether
you agree or not, it's irrelevant. Had that been a pro homosexual assembly
and the reverse happened the ACLU and other fascists would be in screaming with
red faces at how unfair and vile it is that these people can't even discus
their grievances. Don't talk to me about intolerence.
Ed | 8:19 a.m. March 28, 2008
I think it is very sad what we have come to as a society today. Picture
yourself as being homosexual...knowing full well that the overwhelming majority
of people in our country would consider you to be a pariah, an outcast, someone
to not "trust", all because of your sexual orientation...even if you
DID choose to live a celibate lifestyle. Would you ever tell anyone, family
and/or friends, that you were homosexual? Would you risk losing EVERYTHING, or
would you keep quiet and suffer an inner turmoil/pain that for many causes them
to commit suicide? Those people (groups like the Standard of Liberty) SHOULD
have public forums....and let's have them answer that question, especially
when it is their own loved ones who could be "outed". I feel bad for
groups like this, just like I feel bad for Gayle Ruzicka of the Eagle Forum who
lost a son to drug addiction. They have their heads so completely in the sand
that they FAIL to live the message of Jesus. They have a demon inside them
WORSE than their fear of homosexuality.
To: brown eyes | 8:29 a.m. March 28, 2008
You are probably right that people are BORN the way that they are, with certain
tendencies and attractions which govern behavior. But where you are wrong is
when you translate attractions to behavior. People are probably born to be
unfaithful, liars, gamblers, rapists, pedophiles, homosexual, and many other
things with negative connotation. People are also born to many good and
virtuous things, like charitable, loving, considerate, generous, and self-less.
But in every walk of life, regardless of how you are BORN, behavior is a choice.
We insist that certain type of BIRTH characteristics be controlled and not acted
upon. Society has a responsibility to advocate for certain behaviors and against
others. All behaviors have consequences. Society is ever learning and adjusting
to that learning. In the meantime, we must continue to love and admonish.
Communication is healthy. Love and tolerance is healthy. Condemnation for
certain things is critical. Tolerance for all behavior is not acceptable. We
just have to figure out which ones we cannot tolerate. I wish you well and I
hope that you can one day separate BORN and BEHAVIOR. BEHAVIOR is a choice.
BORN is not.
1500 miles away | 8:29 a.m. March 28, 2008
I live 1500 miles away from American Fork, Utah. This has been an education to
me about the type people who reside there. I feel so much HATE coming from
those who are leaning toward the homosexual life-style or supporting it. I feel
so much sincere concern coming from the other relm. I would be a good subject
for a research thesis - the attitude aspect.
I am somewhat older than most who are dealing with this problem, but I can not help remember back to my school days. I do not remember ONE homosexual in ALL the schools that I attended. Why are we seeing so many more youth that are being afflicted
with this problem?
Reading the news in Arkansas and you are making world news.
I am somewhat older than most who are dealing with this problem, but I can not help remember back to my school days. I do not remember ONE homosexual in ALL the schools that I attended. Why are we seeing so many more youth that are being afflicted
with this problem?
Reading the news in Arkansas and you are making world news.
Paul B | 8:56 a.m. March 28, 2008
Opinons on homosexuality aside, as a member of the LDS church, it bothers me
that a private, independent group would procure a Book of Mormon term--Standard
of Liberty--to use for themselves and their agenda.
To do so could give the impression that, implicitly, their beliefs are shared or actions condoned by the Church and its members.
I do not have a problem with the existence of this group, as it is their right to assemble. However, I think they should leave their politics free of the Gospel, as each individual Church member chooses how he or she will believe on any given issue.
To do so could give the impression that, implicitly, their beliefs are shared or actions condoned by the Church and its members.
I do not have a problem with the existence of this group, as it is their right to assemble. However, I think they should leave their politics free of the Gospel, as each individual Church member chooses how he or she will believe on any given issue.
dear SJBob.. | 8:51 a.m. March 28, 2008
If homosexuality is a biological trait as you claim then the question becomes,
why are these individuals endowed by nature with a trait that renders them
incapable of reproducing? Mother Nature is ruthlessly efficient and doesn't
casually throw away good genetic material. If in fact there was a biological
homosexual trait (the only real effect of which would be to make reproduction
impossible)it would be a self limiting genetic mutation that could not be passed
on.
Of course, homosexuals do not have any biological defect, they can and do reproduce and can function reproductively like everyone else. Homosexuality isn't a thing people are, it is a thing they do.
It is a behavior with serious negative health and emotional costs and, to get back to topic, society has a responsibility to educate and support youth to make healthy choices.
gee, your right, thinking didn't hurt!
Of course, homosexuals do not have any biological defect, they can and do reproduce and can function reproductively like everyone else. Homosexuality isn't a thing people are, it is a thing they do.
It is a behavior with serious negative health and emotional costs and, to get back to topic, society has a responsibility to educate and support youth to make healthy choices.
gee, your right, thinking didn't hurt!
Good Plan | 9:05 a.m. March 28, 2008
Hey I have a plan. Lets create a state where all Homosexuals can call home.
They go there and set up there government and make their own rules. A perfect
Gay Utopia. Then in 70 years there will be no one left because they can not
reproduce. Oh, we do need one law. They can not adopt from morally responsible
adults who create children the way nature and God intended.
You know, I am an old man and I can tell you that sexual attractions during adolescense is a very powerful feeling that God gives us to create and reproduce. As you become older these feelings become less important and your drive becomes subdued. Don't believe me? Why then is the market flooded with products such as Viagra. As Homosexuals find sex less important, I hope they find as much joy looking into the eyes of a same gender person as I do looking into my wifes beautiful eyes.
I haven't seen a Gay couple still together in their 60's, I am from Utah though.
P.S. You can lie to everyone else, but you have to live with the consequenses.
Good Luck.
You know, I am an old man and I can tell you that sexual attractions during adolescense is a very powerful feeling that God gives us to create and reproduce. As you become older these feelings become less important and your drive becomes subdued. Don't believe me? Why then is the market flooded with products such as Viagra. As Homosexuals find sex less important, I hope they find as much joy looking into the eyes of a same gender person as I do looking into my wifes beautiful eyes.
I haven't seen a Gay couple still together in their 60's, I am from Utah though.
P.S. You can lie to everyone else, but you have to live with the consequenses.
Good Luck.
To 1500 miles away | 9:26 a.m. March 28, 2008
I too live x number of miles away. The same problem is here too. You either have
to accept homosexuality or you're ???? Just how exactly did this society
get to where they are? Homosexuality is a gender mis-identification problem, I
emphasize the word problem. We still don't know what it is or what causes
it, we can only observe. It does those suffering from it a dis-service to say it
has to be accepted, no choice by everyone. Perhaps we should call those
suffering from it, hetrophobic just to be fair.
To Good Plan: nice idea, the devil is in the details. Probably wouldn't work, just look at the Castro Neighborhood of San Franscisco.
To Good Plan: nice idea, the devil is in the details. Probably wouldn't work, just look at the Castro Neighborhood of San Franscisco.
Inborn, HA | 9:28 a.m. March 28, 2008
There is not ONE Gay person who can say they were brought into this earth by a
Gay parent. Get my point! Your parents were HETEROSEXUAL whether you like it
or not!
How then can you, being Gay, have the nerve to tell us how to raise our children.
You will NEVER have children.
You may be OK with that.
However, you really have no right to dictate how parents with children should raise them.
Why do you care how we raise our kids. It's none of your business. Your children will never have to live through it. I care because my children do have to live with your mess.
How then can you, being Gay, have the nerve to tell us how to raise our children.
You will NEVER have children.
You may be OK with that.
However, you really have no right to dictate how parents with children should raise them.
Why do you care how we raise our kids. It's none of your business. Your children will never have to live through it. I care because my children do have to live with your mess.
Patrick O | 9:43 a.m. March 28, 2008
I see sepreation of church and state is slowly reaching Utah.
Congratulations on cancelling the meeting - these people shouldn't even be allowed on school property
Congratulations on cancelling the meeting - these people shouldn't even be allowed on school property
Personal Experience | 9:54 a.m. March 28, 2008
Admittedly, I have not studied all of the scientific reports regarding sexual
orientation. But of those I have read, it appears that - while there is no
absolute proof - science definitely leans in the direction that sexual
orientation is an inborn trait. I suppose that trait may be very dominating in
some and more of a tendency in others.
For me, no one had to tell me I would be attracted to the opposite sex. I just was and boy was I. My problem was not figuring out where my attraction was but trying to control it a bit. That attraction was the furthest thing from a choice for me. Yes, I had a choice as to whether or not I would act on it but in no way did I have a choice whether I would be attracted to the same or opposite sex. My observations have been that most people's sexual orientation is equally inate.
It is interesting to look back over the years and understand that incorrect racial beliefs were largely justified through religion and the prevailing social/moral norms. I believe some attitudees toward same sex attraction is exactly parallel to historical racial attitudes and beliefs.
For me, no one had to tell me I would be attracted to the opposite sex. I just was and boy was I. My problem was not figuring out where my attraction was but trying to control it a bit. That attraction was the furthest thing from a choice for me. Yes, I had a choice as to whether or not I would act on it but in no way did I have a choice whether I would be attracted to the same or opposite sex. My observations have been that most people's sexual orientation is equally inate.
It is interesting to look back over the years and understand that incorrect racial beliefs were largely justified through religion and the prevailing social/moral norms. I believe some attitudees toward same sex attraction is exactly parallel to historical racial attitudes and beliefs.
Rue L. Galbraith | 10:36 a.m. March 28, 2008
To Inborn, Ha
I am a Gay father, so yes I do have a say how my child is raised! And hate is NOT what I want taught in her schools.
I am a Gay father, so yes I do have a say how my child is raised! And hate is NOT what I want taught in her schools.
My Own Humble Experience | 10:56 a.m. March 28, 2008
In my own, humble, experience I have found attraction to be a choice (even as a
heterosexual). For example: A few years back I found Britney Spears and
Lindsay Lohan attractive young ladies, but more recently, not so much. Why?
They are not necessarily unattractive, physically. But because I have chosen
immorality, flashing your privates, drunkeness, and drug use to be
unattractive.
A lot of people have chosen to be attracted to these qualities, but I have not. Does that make me immoralphobic?
A lot of people have chosen to be attracted to these qualities, but I have not. Does that make me immoralphobic?
To Alum Sam Nielson | 12:44 p.m. March 28, 2008
Yes, I am really a teacher here. I'm not just posing as one. Proud to be a
caveman!
Karl | 1:11 p.m. March 28, 2008
In the article it stated:
"The speaker we have is going to be very positive," Jensen said. "We're trying to help kids avoid this problem (same-gender attraction) and also overcome it."
Might I point one thing out... "the speaker" in question, Mr. Graham, is the PTA president's brother-in-law. Obviously a bias on behalf of the PTA here, at least it's president. Any argument that a counter-point couldn't present at the meeting due (which was done) to time would be absolutely false... amongst other things.
"The speaker we have is going to be very positive," Jensen said. "We're trying to help kids avoid this problem (same-gender attraction) and also overcome it."
Might I point one thing out... "the speaker" in question, Mr. Graham, is the PTA president's brother-in-law. Obviously a bias on behalf of the PTA here, at least it's president. Any argument that a counter-point couldn't present at the meeting due (which was done) to time would be absolutely false... amongst other things.
RangerGordon | 1:07 p.m. March 28, 2008
Dear Humble:
Only if Britney and Lindsay have turned you off women completely.
Hope that helps.
Only if Britney and Lindsay have turned you off women completely.
Hope that helps.
My own prideful Experience | 1:22 p.m. March 28, 2008
I also find that my attraction is a choice. I chose to be attracted to Sanity
but then decided insanity was so much more alluring.
Brandon Burt | 1:25 p.m. March 28, 2008
It's too bad these people are so worried about the so-called "gay
agenda" that they'd rather cancel a meeting than allow a balanced
response to the homophobes presentation.
To Patrick O... | 2:07 p.m. March 28, 2008
This had nothing to do with seperation of church and state. It had nothing to
do with the LDS church. One of the biggest minuses about this meeting was that
it was at first promoted as something else. A meeting about the hidden ways
that pornography infiltrates the lives of our children would have been a welcome
discussion. "Same gender attraction" discussion has NO place in the
high school realm
Cloak Boy | 2:48 p.m. March 28, 2008
PLEASE!! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!
please don't kill yourselves... | 2:57 p.m. March 28, 2008
... but if you do please don't blame people who don't embrace and
affirm your choices. It comes up every time homosexuality is the subject of a
string of posts. (and I mean this in the most sensitive, supportive, loving way
possible)
I've got it! | 3:06 p.m. March 28, 2008
I have an idea...I won't tell your children that homosexual behavior is a
choice if you'll stop telling my children that it isn't. Deal?
From an AFHS student | 3:35 p.m. March 28, 2008
I think that AFHS needs to be more informed about STD's, protection, and
other things that could prevent students harming our well being, but to hold a
meeting discussing homosexuality and how its a social problem? That doesn't
make sense. Walk through the halls of the school, I can tell you that there are
at least 5 girls walking around the school who are pregnant and I can name a
large number of STRAIGHT kids who are sexually active, but to say that the
students should be viewing homosexuality as a problem is outrageous! The fact
that the schools population is highly LDS plays a part in this in my opinion,
but really, just leave the gay, lesbian, and bi students alone! Our schools
teaches us to be open minded and for people to say that people aren't born
gay is sad. I don't think that all of you who are saying this really know,
because you can't write about something you don't know about
personally. If anything, the meeting would have caused and even bigger rift in
our school, and we don't need that, people are people, love and respect
them
awesomeron | 3:51 p.m. March 28, 2008
De Nile- is a muddy river in Egypt. Same Sex Attrection is not a serious social
problem, as long as the same sexed person is also attracted to the 1st person.
Thats called a friendship, or a relationship, that does not have to end in the S
word. That much like a marriage can last a short time or a long time. If it was
thought to be Serious enough to talk about in American Fork in the first place,
then it should have been talked about. In a safe sane, non judgemental manner.
I/We may think same Sex attraction is wrong, but most of us know some one who is
attracted to the same sex or is in a relationship. We may think differently
about the Girls then the Boys. About the boys we say little. Sometimes because
its just to strange to think about. They the attracted may be people we know,
been childhood friends, played in the same sand pile. Passed the same Sacrament,
even Baptized or Blessed you. Gave the youth talk, even gone on the Mission
(both genders). De Nile does not make it go away. I think it might be what
others might think.
Ronald A. Young | 4:03 p.m. March 28, 2008
The people of American Fork, need to talk about what they need to talk about.
They may be worried about what others might think they think. I would not out my
kids or their friends. Most where I live are Open about it some very open.
Church members of course are not. Acceptence is high here. Many People, Many
Life Styles many Gods also No God but Nature and of course after a shower
Rainbows. Above all we live togeather and vastly get along. Living on a small
Island has been an adventure of a life time. I have learned to be patient, and
understanding even when my mind is exploding. Sometimes things that appear
broken are not broken at all. You find this out when you talk about stuff.
Utah! | 4:29 p.m. March 28, 2008
One of the most sexually repressed and depressed states...yeah let's have a
meeting to discuss...but won' be admitted ..the high teenage sex in the
areas. Then on one of the major media affliates..Linda Lew , acting as
correspondent under cover ..covered prostitution in the age range of 13...she
identified this as being prevalent in all sectors and cities in the United
States yet doesn't want to be recognized as Legislatures don't have
the means or committment to access for their constituents. then the victum , who
ussually comes from a family is unable to relate to who might love them as their
parents ussually never express it. And this particular problem is projected to
get huge because it is a billion dollar business. The young girl never gets the
money so is really an indegious slave...but America doesn't want to
acknowledge that. People need some kind of counseling or discussion from
professionals!
Bubba | 9:49 a.m. March 31, 2008
Cancel any meeting like this. This doesn't belong in schools, period.
WoW | 5:40 p.m. March 31, 2008
what a world, I want my children to be aware of everyone's feelings not
just the big jock syndrome, or that a certain look like a brad pitt is the
epitomy of male. i know my sons will stand unafraid to give mistreatment to
others as they have been taught the golden rule. trying to understand anothers
feelings and emotions may one day be needed to make the world a safer place. I
know of a gay person who was killed and tortured while others stood by and
condoned , even helped in the cover up..somehow thinking or justifying the
murder of another human being. Because that person was a relative and deserved
to live..I would expect some kind of human treatment to over ride the multitude.
If we are children of god then the sactity of life is so much more important
than any one agenda. Now that doesn't mean we have to follow the gay agenda
but common sense along with respecting life, SAYS BE COOL!
wrz | 5:50 p.m. March 31, 2008
>>Same sex attraction is not a social probem, but a physical
attraction...<<
It may be a physical attraction as you say, but since 90% of humanity finds it repugnant it is also a social problem.
It may be a physical attraction as you say, but since 90% of humanity finds it repugnant it is also a social problem.
re:wrz | 11:51 p.m. March 31, 2008
So by your rationale, since more than 99% of humanity finds mormonsism
repugnant, you'd agree that it too is a social problem. Right?
Mooky | 8:59 a.m. April 1, 2008
I too believe that we should love the sinner and hate the sin. Since the Bible
warns and warns against wealth, I love rich people, but hate their sin of
wealth. And I love remarried people, but hate their sin of adultery. I even
love women who don't hide after giving birth as the Bible decrees, but hate
their sin of Godlessness. Heck, I love myself, even as I judge others here, but
hate my sin of judging.
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To judge me without even knowing me is HORRID!
I ONLY defended the simple principal that it isn't necessarily intolerance because people disagree with you. I wasn't really even referring to this meeting but other comments made which addresses issues of intolerance.
Secondly, something I REALLY love from the article I mentioned earlier... "Over past years we have seen unrelenting pressure from advocates of that lifestyle to accept as normal what is not normal, and to characterize those who disagree as narrow-minded, bigoted and unreasonable. Such advocates are quick to demand freedom of speech and thought for themselves, but equally quick to criticize those with a different view and, if possible, to silence them by applying labels like �homophobic.�"
I have ONLY stated that there are those who disagree politely but are not intolerant of views not of their own. This and a correction on what the LDS church views are on the subject.
I haven't made personal attacks. You have.
There is a lot to be gained from this article I mention. It gives good insight to this argument. Better than what's on here.