I always felt a kinship to Brother Lee, I still do. It is my prayer that
herepents & comes back into the Lord's church. His talk on " Beauty all around" at BYU Lamanite week was truly beautiful.
I served with George Lee as a missionary in the then Southwest Indian Mission.
We were even companions for a short time. I always admired him for his
enthusiasm, his very bright mind and his commitment. I was thrilled when he
became a general authority and wrote to him to congratulate him. I sympathize
with him for his difficulties and hope that he is well. I know how it is to make
mistakes. I hope that someday all whom he might have offended will forgive him
for it is a wonderful feeling for all involved. George- If you see this, know
that I still regard you as a friend. Sincerely, Omer W. Whitman, Ph.D.
I agree with cjp. Let the man alone. He was once a great man and leader. Look at
positive things he had done prior to the problem. It always seem to amaze me
that when a man is down we quickly move away. We focused only on the negatives.
What Christ-like behavior we have displayed. For those who have lost our
Christ-like principles we will all answer to Him at the last day and no one else
just as Mr. Lee. There is no escaping it no matter how many time you attend
Sunday services you still have to answer to Him. Enjoy your own personal and
private apostasy on earth.
I am an ex-Mormon who was excommunicated at my request. It was not a result of
any perceived sin. I simply did not believe the doctrine and requested that my
name be removed. In those days (1985) the Mormon church would not just remove
ones name. Instead, at my request, I was kicked out. I understand that it is a
much easier process now, since someone sued the church over the name removing
process. So "Don't call me sister! Surgery removed me from your pew."
Well perhaps the Lord had something to do with his massive stroke to keep in
line after defying children's bodies. He has been lamed for a reason.
Mr Lee was incapacitated by a massive stroke several years ago. His health
problems are are both real and serious. Even so, he should have
complied with his legal obligation to be listed on the sex offender registry.
Having done that he is in full compliance with the law. Evidently
the courts have determined he is minimal risk to reoffend and is "safe" enough
to be in the community.
I have NO pity for these kind of men. I DON'T CARE WHO THEY ARE!!! I do however,
feel extremely sorry for the children robbed of their childhood innocents. Some of you people on this post have some very sick minds. I hope the
authority's catch you BOW-WOWS too!
the dude use to take the pillow and put it in front of his daughter while he
attempted to molest her underage friend!All this according to what came out in
the media! Duh...I would say there were some shenanigans going through his
portals...it isn't about race ..it is the ACT!! I had a daughter that age and i
would have acted on him with out prejudice!
To Rich, your so right , now you can pass go! As a native who is not a member ,
I can only say let the brother be, please! He was definitly touched by the
spirits that be both from the church, his heritage, culture and troubled mind.
We natives all pray for him from our ceremonies in the sweat and know that one
day he will find enlightenment. We hate belittle or hate him not. He stood as a
representative against Russel Means and Dennis Banks during the American Indian
Movement at the time of Spencer Kimballs reign. He was recieved and respected
then just as he is now. So many are quick to judge yet there are reasons beyond
us as human beings that challenge each of us to heed what scriptures, beliefs,
emotions call upon us to do toward other human beings. And that seems to be the
challenge issued to us along our own journeys because we don't know exactly what
will befall us , so we best pray for help!
*Cough, cough!* But I have a cold! *Cough* Don't you know that sick people
never abuse children while they're feeling under the weather, officer? I'm
harmless as a lamb. A sick lamb. Okay, I'll register.
You would think that God would tell his "Prophet" that one of the leaders was
abusing children. Maybe even a "whispering of the spirit?" Maybe God was
playing golf on Kolob that day?
As it is a matter of public record, I will attempt to write what I remember
reading about in the Deseret News several years ago, concerning George Lee's
crime. Hopefully this will clear up confusion about it. Lee was in a
trusted position over a young girl, approximately 12 years old. This girl was
his daughter's best friend, and a daughter of friends who had moved from the
state. She was staying with the Lee family for a time, visiting her best
friend, and her trusted general authority father (Lee). Lee began to have
"feelings" for the girl. During a camping trip, Lee took a hike. When he came
back, he told the young, and very impressionable girl that he had prayed to God,
and received revelation that the girl was to be given to him somehow. He
subsequently sexually assaulted the girl. The "attempted" part of his
conviction was more than likely the result of a plea. "Elder" Lee thought he
knew more than the Brethren, and look where he ultimately ended up.
Look here people! Quit feeling sorry for the perpetrator. Y'all sound like
perhaps you are perpetrators as well. Just because a guy is a GA in the L D S
church doesn't mean you go around feeling sorry for his heinous crime. Feel
sorry for the victims you idiots!
To in the interest of clarity: You have a good spirit about you and I hope you
seriously reconsider your situation and come back to full activity in the
Church. You'll be glad you did.As for George P. Lee, his
General Conference talks were some of the best talks I've ever heard. How sad,
how very sad, that he ended up doing what he did. He's definitely a different
man than what he used to be.
Whether George P. Lee was involved in this type of sexual crime, or that, (and
in this case, the especially horrible case of child molestation), it involved a
very unrighteous type of power over another person. Instead of a scripture
quote, maybe we can throw out a quote from the former Secretary of State, Henry
Kissinger, "power is the ultimate aphrodesiac." Members of the Church are not
exempt, whether American Indian, Scandanavian, Welsh, Hispanic, or whatever. I believe very strongly that the demons got the best of George P. Lee, and
then he rationalized his way into apostasy, like several others in Church
history. I am positive that the Lamanite people will have more great
leaders to replace him and to lift the banner of light to a great and noble
lineage. I will also continue to pray for George P. Lee.
LDS people are so easily duped into believing in the greatness and righteousness
of one of their leaders.But then they as easily and as quickly
abandon one of their own who falls from grace - because they don't believe in
Jesus' grace!This case of Brother Lee reveals the true spirit of the
LDS people: harsh, unforgiving, judgmental, and elitist. Compare that with the
Pharisees of Jesus' day!
Th HMMMM, it is a plastic society more than half the people are in the same
boat as you are, if you like the jello and testimony travel logs, hang around
there really isn't much there that will hurt you, on the other hand if you make
changes that may be an opportunity for a growth experience, there are a lot of
good people, churchs and other associations out there.
It's been 15+ years --- why can't we just leave him alone ????
Failure to register as a sex offender, is only a class A misdemeanor?It should be a felony with mandatory jail time.Then maybe we would
have a better sex offender registry in this state and nation.
I love this comment from HMMMM."I'm just curious, I've been
questioning things in the church for sometime and I may be losing my testimony.
I'm still in good standing and I hold callings and keep my views to myself. I
still know there is a lot of good in the church and it's not my job to tell
others if I no longer believe it's true. I don't want to leave at this point,
should I be excommunicated in your opinion?"PLEASE REMEMBER, it is
likely not the church you are questioning, but rather men/women within the
church trying to explain & teach things of God, things which most men/women do
not fully understand themselves!There is trueth found within the teachings
every religion, as well as falsehoods, some mis-guided teachings. Those
that truely understand the ways of God are few. Even fewer are those that can
articulate and teach and explain those things in a way that others will
John B,If you have sex with your wife when she says "not tonight,"
it is rape. No means no.
So sad that his life has taken this downward spiral. Hope he can pull it
together. Never heard of a general authority running around telling
people his calling and election has been made sure. Just because we
who are active in the Church does not mean we are yes people. I have tried and
proved the truth of the Gospel. When the Spirit tells you it is true that is
something which you do not forget. You may not act on it, but you do not forget
it. Open dissension among the leaders will tear an organization
apart quicker than any critcism from the outside. Elder Lee was given many
chances to change his position and chose not to do it. How silly
and immature of the outsider to criticize how an organization runs its affairs.
jph1223 is correct on what was happening with him.
This really is not a church topic, it's a criminal topic. Not only was a crime
committed, but a SECOND crime...that of not registering as an offender a class A
misdemeanor that was dropped. The topic of the church only came up because of
the status Lee once held within the church. It seems that many cannot seem to
wrap their heads around the fact that one can appear religious and inspiring
while also harboring vulgar thoughts and desires, sometimes acting out upon
those. While many of you are quick to forgive, please google "attempted child
sex abuse." Then ask yourself how quickly you would forgive if you or your
child were the victim. The necessity of sites like: child-abuse-effect dot is
interesting read to put perspective into the conversation.I am
happily-exLDS, but I still vaguely recall something about millstones and
I can not believe what i just read. Are you kinding anyone who has or even
considering taking advantage of a young one should not be considerd a religous
individual, get over the talks, thats what they do to the young is manipulate
them, please he should be incacerated where he can not hurt or dream of other
young people. Who cares were he was in the church quoreem of the seventy or
whatever wake up. Would you trust your kids with him, not. He should be
castrated and locked up forget his medical issues that's crap. I bet there is
I forgive brother lee and have have 389 more times to forgive him . to the rest
of you you all want to be right but some of you are wrong and no man can say who
just as no one can say when or from where or when Christ will come we just want
to be ready when he does so rember forgive 70x7 also to get on the regestrey
(sorry about the spelling) all you have to do is try to have sex with your wife
after she tells you not tonight that is rape
I have clear recollections of Lee before and after his legal and church
problems. He was truly a great man. It was sad then and still is today. We each
fall short, in our own ways, because of our rationalizations. He is not the
first or last to make wrong choices and needs our prayers.In response to
an earlier post, I agree and have long hoped for Larry Echohawk to be called as
a GA. I knew him personally in Pocatello and the people of Idaho made a serious
error in not supporting him in higher elective office.
When will you people understand that there is not a one true church? It is all
political and corporation like. Feel sorry for those in trouble with the law
for various reasons. I do not feel sorry for the so called pharisees of Utah.
I say it again, watching from your fruits, no medical insurance for the poor, no
strong labor laws, etc. etc. there is not true church. Christ is the only way,
true and light and life of this world. He will not call from Salt Lake City.
That is a truth.
I'm just curious, I've been questioning things in the church for sometime and I
may be losing my testimony. I'm still in good standing and I hold callings and
keep my views to myself. I still know there is a lot of good in the church and
it's not my job to tell others if I no longer believe it's true. I don't want to
leave at this point, should I be excommunicated in your opinion?
So carl: all of thoes illegal immigrants (child preditors) that have driven our
numbers in the countrys sex crimes to the top,that the church has convinced our
state to be lax in the laws for, so that it can get a few more members and some
more money, are not liberal democratics. They will be republicans like the rest
of you who blindly follow.
To "As an inactive member!" Please accept my sincere apology!
While Brother Lee was general authority and mission authority I served as branch
president on the Navajo Reservation. Brother Lee was guest guest speaker during
out branch conference. Normally 10-15 people came, but during the conference
300 people came to hear him speak. He spoke first in Navajo and then in
English. He gave a great talk. I am thankful that he came and spent time with
us. I appreciate the fact that he dedicated our business while he served in the
area. If he ever comes through this area again I would be proud if he would
stop and have dinner with us. I would love to see him again.
I agree and I wish King Benjamin would have stayed around and not moved to
Pride is a terrible thing. Having watched the whole George P. Lee episode
transpire, I fear that pride and ego was an issue on both sides of this
situation. Sometimes, when one lives in a multi million dollar penthouse or on a
lake in Sandy, you can easily loose the perspective of how a spiritual leader is
supposed to conduct themselves. King Benjamin and the twelve disciples
understood it and the kingdom of God flourished. Having read Lee's letters, he
did have some legitimate points. Did he do what he was accused of? Did his
accuser get a payoff for testifying? Only God can judge.
I have a son who has OCD. He manifests it in saying the same thing over and
over. As a teen he used to come to church week after week and talk about how
fat all the girls in the ward were. Some people couldn't see he was obviously
troubled. Many were angry at me, and asked me, "Can't you control him?" For my son's sake I didn't want to announce to the world that he'd been
diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder and
generalized anxiety disorder.It always amazed me that some
intelligent and educated people could only see his behaviour in terms of
morality, and had no clue that he had a dysfunctional brain. Ironic thing is
that his troubles were clear as day to some blue collar high school dropouts. I
finally realized that the kind and compassionate were the ones most likely to
see the true picture.I don't know Elder Lee, never met him, but I'll
reserve judgement on both his issues with the church and with the law. I prefer
to give Lee, LDS leadership and law enforcement the benefit of the doubt.
So many here seem to have completely missed what the article is actually about,
and it is nothing to do with being forgiven for apostasy from the church. The
crux of the matter is: George P. Lee is a sex offender who was charged with, and
admitted to, touching the breast of a 12 year old girl in 1994. Naturally, she
was traumatised as there was more to the case than what was reported in this
article. He can now be found on the Utah Sex Offenders Registry. The background
to this case can be found in the archives of several Utah newspapers.
To Anonymous at 11:09AM: You should pick another forum. Try finding someone who
did not sin, who left the church and you have your point. You have chosen the
wrong forum when you say "self righteous Mormons" are just trying to attack
someone for leaving the church by justifying that they were a sinner, if in fact
he is a sinner, loses your argument.To In the interest of Clarity: I
understand your message and feel for your "complicated" dilemna. However, Joseph
Smith and many many leaders since made it clear that by not going forward one is
in some state of apostacy. By not going forward one is going backward. There is
no resting in limbo. No treading water. No running in place. Hopefully you can
find a way to be actively engaged in the church and the gospel instead of
sliding away. You are probably not lost. Get involved,there are people who need
I think it is very sad that Mr. Lee was not able to overcome his problems. It
is especially sad because he was native american and as such was really breaking
ground for all non-white people in the leadership ranks of the LDS church.I am sad for the girl that was permanently scared for life by his alleged
abuse or attempted abuse.I'm sad for all native americans who had placed
so much trust and faith in Mr. Lee. We don't live in a perfect world and people
are free to make mistakes. I hope that Mr. Lee has found some peace in his life
and that he has been able to get the help he needs to overcome his issues.
I don't know what George Lee did/did not do or why he left/was excommunicated
from the LDS Church. My comment is for "Frederick of Logan". I think you may
have confused "Inactive Member" with someone else. He or She was AGREEING with
the decisions/actions of the LDS Church leaders. He or She said nothing of
"know[ing] more about the Church than the leaders." You may want to read
over the comments again and re-issue yours to the correct recipient. I think
it's important to distinguish between 'inactive' and 'apostate'. I know a little
about this as I am one (inactive) but certainly not the other. I do not "know
the Church is wrong." On the contrary, I have a deep and enduring testimony of
many doctrines and principles, a hope that I may gain a testimony of others and
a knowledge that I, alone, am responsible to account for my beliefs and
behaviors before the Father and Son. Inactivity, at least in my case, is not an
indication that one hates or condemns the Church, believes it untrue or
disagrees with the leaders at any level. It's complicated, but it's not
'apostacy'. Please understand the difference.
Nobody is perfect -- not George Lee, not Paul H. Dunn, not President Benson, not
President Hinckley, not President Monson and especially not a single commentator
in deseretnews.com. Yet you cannot publicly disclaim church doctrine and expect
to remain a member in good standing. Regardless of Lee's potential and
callings, he obviously made some serious mistakes. I hope to see him on the
other side as a repentant and forgiven soul, ready for the challenges of the
next life. For that matter, I hope to find myself there.
It really bugs me when people try to do away with the sex offender registry
because "I knew someone who slapped a girl's but and was placed on it and it
ruined his life". Of course this is bunk. Those who get on the registry were
CONVICTED of serious sex crimes. By the way, most of the crimes that appear on
the registry were plea-bargained down - their actual crimes were worse than
To "Inactive Member": I completely agree with your comments. It is the right of
the church to release any person of authority that has fallen out of line in
representing it appropriately. I don't know exactly why the decision was made,
or what discussions happened behind closed doors, but obviously Church leaders
felt that George P. Lee was not behaving in a way that was fitting for his
position. If a person gets fired in thier job, they may disagree with the
reasons, but it does not take away the fact that the employer has the right to
make that decision. Likewise, the Church has the right to make sure thier
leaders are accurately reprenting it's beliefs and doctrines. To "Dev":
Scripture does not say 'don't ever judge' it says to 'judge righteously'. If he
was sexually molesting children (and I dont know if he was) it is appropriate to
say "That is NOT ok" and deal with the issue. That scripture does not mean we
shouldnt judge, it means that we need to make sure we are not being hypcrites
when we DO judge. Read full context of scripture.
A good contrast is two photos. His "Official" General Authority photo, and his
photo after his excommunication. The first shows light and spirit. The second
shows shadow and gloom. The difference between having the Holy Ghost before,
and not having it after.I would hope that someday he gets back into
I think it's cool that his Calling and Election was made sure.He was
a trailblazer for the lord, and it seems to have mentally been too much.Calling and Election might have been the perfect thing for his eternal
I will be so glad when Jesus returns!
To "As an inactive member I like to think I love all people but there are those
who I find difficult to love and those are the people who believe they know more
about the Church than the leaders. You are one of those. I have met a few who
vehemently express that they know that the Church is wrong just because they
don't believe some things about its teachings and you will never find the truth
as long as you are inactive. I love you my brother. Come back to activity and
feel the Spirit once again.
They dropped the charges because they have no case.Self-righteous
Mormons are just trying to attack George Lee because he left the Church. The
only way they can justify in their own minds that a General Authority would
leave the Church is if he was a sinner. They cannot tolerate the possibility
that someone left the Church because they learned that the Church is not true!
Sexual abuse acusations are now what being called a communist was back in the
day. I think we need to be a little more forgiving, understanding and
compasionate towards one another. Lets be a lot less judgmental people.
I don't know anything about George P. Lee. My concern is his sexual offense is
not clear. I looked him up in the registry and it said it was "Attempted" sexual
abuse of a child. What did he attempt to do? Also he has one account and is not
a repeat offender. I was sexually abused as a child no one attempted to commit
sexual abuse I was actually made to do sexual acts. I want to know who the real
abusers are. We have to be careful when looking at these files. One man had sex
with his girlfriend and because he was over eighteen and she wasn't he is a
registered sex offender the girl's father was angry but the father thought the
law went overboard. This young man had ambitions that he can no longer attain
because of this registry. There is also a story of two twelve year old boys who
are registered sex offenders for slapping a girl on the buttocks. Their lives
are also ruined. I know what sexual abuse is and this is not sexual abuse. Give
me the facts and I want proof.
I'm a little confused when people talk about what "happened" to Lee. What
happened is that he chose to try and have sex with a child and he is now paying
the civil penalties.
I loved Elder Lee's general conference talks. They were very warm and kind
hearted and I felt the spirit at that time when he spoke. I'm heart broken at
what has happened to him. I wish him and his family the best! Hopefully he can
recover from his health problems and the other serious problems in his life!
Why is it that everything comes down to race, be it Native American, African
American, Hispanic or White man. Does it really matter in this day and age?
Who is small minded enough in today's society that the color of one's skin is
really a factor? I am so tired of every crime being classed to the color of
your skin. Grow up people, we are Americans here act like it. The days of
racial slurs are done, in many cities the minority is not the majority. We are
no longer African American, Hispanic American, Scandanavian American blah blah
blah, we are Americans period.
I love how urban legends turn into scripture. The funny thing is people who have
never read the scriptures usually claim to know the most about them. In reality
they heard something from someone who listened to someone once who said it. I
don't know how many times I have heard people say something is in scripture and
when I ask them where they can't show it to me.
Elder George P. Lee was a tremendous individual in the Church in the late
seventies. I feel sorry for him and hope that he is able to repent and return to
Re: Scripture fulfillmentA Lamanite will rise up in church
leadership? Where does it say that? What scriptures are you reading?
I believe we should feel sorry and be forgiving for what happened to George P.
Lee. He is a child of God like the rest of us. He is loved.I hope
that sometime he can do as we must all do, and that is humble ourselves before
God, repent of our sins and seek forgiveness. I love this Church
that encourages me to learn all I can. I have never received any criticism, in
fact have been encouraged to explore and seek answers. The late Elder Neal A.
Maxwell, one of my heroes, told me years ago that I could bring up any issue I
wanted to discuss with him. Of course, it is important to discuss issues and
raise questions in a respectful way, and be willing to admit that we may be
wrong in our views. What is important is not who is right but what is right.Phillip C. Smith, Ph.D.
I think we should all adhere to Judge not ye be not judged. Whatever your
religion or choices in life when you are critical of others look in the mirror
are you perfect? Be the best you can be and strive to lift others up not put
them down. When you see others faults it most likely you are hiding bigger ones
yourself. Whatever happened to Brother Lee only he has to account for it before
the lord. I would say we should just pray for his welfare.
George fulfills two scriptures. Scriptures say in the latter days a lamanite
will rise up in church leadership, but also in the latter days some of the elect
will be deceived and fall away. The world is large and there are many lamanites
that have risen in church leadership. George would preach about not being
proud. George didn't live by what he preached. George promoted navajo elders
into leadership positions in the Arizona Holbrook Navajo Mission. I would
estimate that over 90% of the navajo missionaries in that mission went inactive
after their missions. Repentance is a beautiful thing. It is to bad that
George wouldn't humble himself and repent and return to the church.
I was so excited when I received my mission call to serve under George Lee. He
was a spiritual giant in the beginning. George's problems start way before his
excommunication. At a conference in Crystal NM, George wanted to share something
with us. He told us that he had received his calling and election made sure.
He said he wanted to share that with us so we would know that it was obtainable.
But here is the clincher, he said if we ever told any one what he said he
would deny it.I thought wow! If a missionary would have ever questioned
it, he or she would have been sent home with a one way ticket. George later
sealed my wife and I in the SLC temple. I loved George very much.At the
Lamanite Generation 20th year Reunion George spoke. He ranted and raved like an
evangelist. I said to my wife what was that all about. Then a week before he
was excommunicated he spoke at my stake conference in Pleasant Grove. He ranted
and raved about his calling in life like an evangelist. There was no spirit to
the man, his spiritual countanance was gone. Sad!
Hmmmm (4:42 p.m.), "Question authority and you get ousted, no questions asked.
Apostasy sometimes means thinking for yourself." It's interesting
how people claim that those who have been excommunicated from a Church or fired
from a job were "thinking for themselves" and were only "questioning authority."
Churches and other private organizations have the right to freedom
of association which means that they have the right to excommunicate their
members just like a company has the right to fire one of its employees.Allow me to use an analogy. You belong to a chess club and one of your members
is bad-mouthing chess (saying this or that rule is lame and chess should conform
to checker rules) at every tournamet or meeting and urging members to play
checkers instead of chess since checkers is better than chess. What
do you do as the President of the Chess Club. Do you think he is a "thinking for
himself" and only "questioning authority" or do you see him as a "wolve in
sheep's clothing" who can pretend to be interested in chess when his real motive
is to advance his own thinking. Mental disorder or arrogance? I
don't know and don't care.
I was excited when Native American George P. Lee was made a General Authority. I
always looked forward to hearing him speak, but I don't remember having the
chance very many times. I was dismayed when everything fell about and hoped
other Native Americans would step up. Many have all over the Americas, including
one that I had a chance to listen to the other day, Larry Echohawk. He has held
to the Iron Rod and is an example to us all. He's a leader, a lawyer, a family
man and a great example for his people and all members of the church. I first
met him when he was on the BYU football team and have watched him in his career
and service ever since!Maybe, like Sidney Rigdon, George Lee will still
find his way out of the filthy waters.
I thank you carl very much because with out people like you I might have
succumbed and joined the church then ended up like George.The only true solution
I will miss out on is playing against and taking you to school in church ball ,
that's all as you know everything but display none of it.
It is incredibly interesting to read such thoughts from folks who don't have a
clue (myself included). President or Elder George P. Lee was an
amazing man, extremely well educated and accomplished in every sense of the
word. What he did or did not do really doesn't matter, he gave his
all to the Church and is now a broken man, and very sick trying to live the
remainder of his life the best he can.We live in a world or an LDS
culture where we are very quick to judge and point fingers and say unkind things
about another, I think its a NOT a wonder that members of The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints are questioned about being true followers of Christ
or Christians. I am saddened.
I have been inactive for a long time and believe little of the early claims made
by the Church. But I completely support the Church or any organization in their
right to release someone in a position of top leadership who cannot publically
support the organization's direction. Behind closed doors disagreement/debate is
healthy and I understand it regularly occurs among top LDS leadership. But to
publically criticize as a top leader is not ok. Unless it is your role in the
organization to be a public voice of criticism it is not ok to do so and still
remain a leader of that organization. I am on the board of an international
organization and fully understand that once the discussion has taken place and
consensus has been reached - part of my role is to fully support that position
or direction - particularly in public.
I think the church was kind by not disclosing the terms of his disciplinary
council. They respect his privacy. Happy Boy's criticisms of the church were
only his seeking to cover up his own weaknesses. They pulled the string, he was
out and then the abuse issues were known. He is invited to repent--as we all
are, but to our knowledge, has made no attempt to restore his membership. If he
is a molester of kids, he may want to keep saying that he was excommunicated for
apostacy. That seems a lot better than child-abuse. And he fits in with the
liberal democrats a lot better too!
Let it go guys he's sick...now as for a few more of you ..I would worry about
your souls in how you deal with Native people both in spirit and in deed. Some
places have huge amounts of natives but it appears there never will be a leader
such as Lee rise to the top because they don't fit the local criterion of what
is deemed spiritually necessary. This man gave his all...it broke him but then
there is always the blame it on the adversary. I saw him speak also with Paul H.
Dunn who could thrill people with his lies from the pulpit and I noticed the
gathering of people was much, much larger for brother Dunn than Lee so it
pointed out to me , somewhat of a division. But I worry about me and mine ,
we're fortunate we are doing fine. I feel the love of many brothers in the ward
as some have survived by the good grace of god , and it is these special ones
who I really have to hand it to as they are just totally changed in their
approach to not just members but their fellow man.Bless everyone!
For the uncritically acclaimed...It is completely disingenuous to
claim that free thinking leads to excommunication. On the contrary, they are
the preached conclusions which are contrary to the position of the church that
are condemned...an outright, 'I know better' arrogance that is obviously, yet
curiously hypocritical. Free thinking is no more synonymous with sectarianisms
then it is with hardened obstinacy. But, to each his own.
It was after Pres. Kimball passed. He loved Pres. Kimball for his devotion to
Secret: George P. Lee was upset because he felt that Pres. Benson was not paying
enough deferrence toward the Lamanites, not Pres. Kimball, who died in 1985.
Unfortunately, most of the comments here show a lack of knowledge concerning the
excommunication of Lee. Near the end of his tenure he had to be supervised by
another GA because of the things he was saying in Stake Conferences. He did
write letters accusing the GAs of putting their standing and wealth above the
interests of the members. After reading the letters, and hearing his comments
(and once hearing him speak in person) I felt he had lost the spirit of his
calling. They were right to excommunicate him for apostasy for the things he was
teaching. I don't think the First Pres. and Twelve knew he was groping children
when Lee was exed. That came out about two years later. To put this guy in the
free thinker category is very generous, but people should get all of the facts
before making a statement like that.
@ SecretWhen George was excommunicated in 1989 President Kimball had been
dead for some time (1984 I think)@ et alIt seems there was
more than criminal sexual behavior. Far more; the apostasy label is correct.Such speculations my friends.
I have a copy of the letter that he wrote to the President of the Church. Lee
thought that a native American should be head of the Church. He accused the 12
Apostles of great pride, blah, blah, blah. The man was once a pilar of
integrity...I really hope that he's reformed his personal life. I'm very sorry
to hear he's been sick. He must also be very lonely, having lost everything he
What was the secret that came out? I thought he thought Pres Kimball was not
treating Native Americans appropriately. Was there more?
What a totally stupid comment! Obviously, there were a number of issues when he
was excommunicated that weren't made public. Criticizing the Church over this
article just shows you have an ax to grind. And, by the way, there is
absolutely nothing wrong with agreeing with those who have religious authority
over us. It's called CHOICE. So unless you have some direct link to divine
knowledge, what makes you so much smarter than the rest of us?
he knew better, he knoew what he was doing was very wrong. he was only thinking
of himself but,the advissory is all around us..we hope that he is
working on commin back into thefold...may love and blessings be all around
his loved ones...
What? is right. I remember this. I even read his book. What a sad ending for
someone with so much potential. The church did everything for him, took him off
the rez, gave him an education until he got his PhD, everything.. You should
read his book about his life. Remarkable! It's too bad how it's ended so far.
His excommunication was not so much about questioning authority as it was about
his being a seriously sick and wrong he was, and his position of leadership.
After his "secret" came out, the main way for him to rationalize his actions was
to attempt to discredit his former beliefs. But it was his actions that did him
in, not questions.
I don't think we know that he was ousted for questioning authority, but
apparently there was a falling out over serious matters. No one should be a
member of an organization with which one disagrees with its basic principles
(and isn't going to change them), whether one is ousted or chooses to leave.
So, "thinking for yourself" entitles one to sexually abuse children?
Is it necessary to publish this? Surely the editorial staff at Deseret News can
find better news to report. If this man has severe health problems, he is not a
danger to society. Wondering ... Would you pulish this article if the person
were a member of your family?
Hmmm! At least he now registered, no matter who he is, and how sick he is.
Protect our children any way we legally can.
Question authority and you get ousted, no questions asked. Apostasy sometimes
means thinking for yourself.