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Utah Jazz: Sloan likes Williams calling plays

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  • re; JazzyIIIini
    March 15, 2008 12:17 p.m.

    I agree with your comments completely. Those who know basketball know how great of a coach Sloan is.

  • JazzyIllini
    March 15, 2008 10:10 a.m.

    I grew up in Illinois (as a Bulls fan) and there was only one team that ever truly frightened me in the playoffs-- the Utah Jazz. Sloan in a basketball genius and there is empirical evidence that proves it. To wit, the Jazz lead the NBA in FG%, yet do not run a true fast break (a la PHX) and lead the NBA in Points in the Paint, yet do not have a dominant inside scorer besides Boozer. The system Jerry Sloan runs is wildly efficient, and often, the plays cannot be guarded (how many times have you heard an announcer say "they've been running that play for 20 years). I was a Deron Williams fan first, but after watching almost every Jazz game for three years, I have grown to LOVE this team and the way they play.

  • So tired
    March 15, 2008 9:11 a.m.

    All the SLoan bashing is so old. And I agree with an earlier post that about how the "Sloan Haters" vent their uniformed opinions and call them facts while ignoring the real facts.

    If you listen to those around the league everyone in "the know" realizes that Sloan is one of the best coaches in the game. Doc Rivers said last night he thinks that Sloan is the "Best coach in basketball".

    I love how an earlier post gave KevinO credit for the Jazz's successful trades and slammed Sloan for the bad ones saying he makes all the decisions. If that's true he would be making the good decisions as well as the bad. The Jazz have rebuilt faster and more successfully than any other franchise. That takes great management and superior coaching.

    To say sloan can't develop players is a joke. Deshawn is just starting to play well after being gone how many years? Sasha is not there yet at all. Snyder of how many teams. Humphries is a bust. But look who he has devoloped, Dwill, enough said, but I will go on, Millsap, Boozer and Memo developed after he was here, Brewer, Bell, Mwilliams.

    Sloan for President!

  • Takin' Stock
    March 14, 2008 10:09 p.m.

    It should be noted that Stockton had for much of his career considerably less talent with him than the Jazz and Dwill now enjoy.
    Those who wish to compare Dwill and Stock, forget it. Two very different animals. Can't we just enjoy memories and then enjoy the exciting present.

  • re:Naha ha?
    March 14, 2008 8:43 p.m.

    Hey, there buddy, you ought to watch a game or two.

    The Jazz just beat the Celtics soundly, tip-off to buzzer at Boston, breaking their ten-win-game-streak.

    Sloan has been doing this for a long time. The Jazz are one of the best coached teams in the NBA, and they are young. He knows how to get his horses to run down the stretch.

    Sloan has a system. Systems win. Believe in your system and sell it to your players. If your players execute, the wins will follow.

    Quit worrying about Sloan, and sit back and we will let you celebrate with us at the end of the season.

  • Karlitos
    March 14, 2008 4:33 p.m.

    I don't think Jerry quit on Kirk Snyder and Kris Humphries. These two guys quit on the Jazz. They were big-headed when they came into the league and didn't want to follow Jerry Sloan's system. Snyder mentioned when the Jazz played Minnesota that he should have listened to Sloan. Kris Humphries could have been a Paul Millsap-type player, but he had an ego also.

    Mo Williams, on the other hand, loved being in Utah and playing for Sloan, but he left for a more lucrative offer. The Jazz want 2nd round draft picks, really all players, to prove themselves. They didn't want to commit to the multi-year deal with Williams. We also didn't want a situation like Raul Lopez. Paul Millsap should get a nice deal. Raja Bell left for more money. Who can blame them.

    Look at the development of Ronnie Brewer and Millsap. The question is whether these players are going to commit themselves to the program.

  • re: Naha
    March 14, 2008 3:50 p.m.

    A coach's job is to win games....plain and simple. Has Sloan done that? As good as nearly any other coach in the history of the game.

    The post above proves Sloan has one of the highest win% in NBA History.

    How many NBA games have you won as a Coach? What credentials do you have to tell anyone how to coach, let alone Sloan? Please tell me.....I would love to hear them. Oh, you don't have any....I thought so.

    Let's be happy for the great Jazz teams we have had and continue to have and quit criticizing Sloan. He has done exactly what good coaches do...win games.

  • DJ (Seattle)
    March 14, 2008 3:43 p.m.

    Sloan Hater is still bitter that Jordan was not called for pushing off on Byron Russell.

  • Naha
    March 14, 2008 3:29 p.m.

    Defense has been the major contributor to losses.

    A coach's job is to teach and prepare his team for the game.

    The player's job is to be well enough prepared before the game, and to concentrate on his role during the game that effective "in your face" defense takes place.

    How does a coach know the tendencies of the opposition without watching film? Doesn't a coach have to watch and break-down game film in order to prepare his players?

    Are players prepared adequately if the coach has not helped them understand the offense of the oppositon's players and their offensive tendencies. Each player has to act and react with confidence.

    When a professional athlete has been adequately prepared by a coach, I suspect he can accept intense criticism if he doesn't know and do his job.

    When a coach doesn't watch film, how can he effectively teach or prepare his players for competition?

    It must be difficult for players, most of which want to play in the league for many years. Confidence is undermined. Expectations are not clear. Performance is sub-par.

    Raw, natural talent (of which our players possess in abundance) takes over in pressure situations.

    I'm begging: RETIRE coach.

  • re: Sloan Haters
    March 14, 2008 3:20 p.m.

    Yea, and 14 other teams passed on Al Jefferson too, so I guess they are all idiots as well. Let's not only fire Sloan, lets fire all of the other coachs and GM's that passed on him.

    All of you Sloan Haters are throwing out your opinions and stating they are FACTS....let me give you the real facts:

    Sloan's Coaching Career in Utah:
    *17 Years (only 1 loosing Season)
    *Total Record: 984 - 5910.627 Win %
    *Only 6 other coaches in NBA History with a higher Win% as a head coach
    *Only Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich and Pat Riley have better winning % among active coaches (I would say that is pretty good company)
    *Longest tenured coach with the same team among all of our professional sports.
    *Did this in a small market that severely limits your ability to sign high profile players.

    You may not like Sloan and feel he is old fashioned, but to say he doesn't know how to coach is absurd. The facts speak for themselves and these are the FACTS, not just your uneducated opinions.

  • BJ Jazzy Rasta
    March 14, 2008 2:41 p.m.

    "Kevin O'conner is a genius." KOC is a decent GM, don't forget, if we would have done things the way he and Jerry wanted, we would have Corey Maggette at 9 Mil a year and Jason Terry for about the same. The jazz are quite lucky that the Clippers and Hawks matched these offers. To be honest, I doubt many of you really understand how this all worked. Suffice it to say, we would have never been able to sign Boozer and Okur if the jazz were not extremely lucky.

    The jazz did a good job of getting Okur (they offered him the most money) and Boozer was a one in a million, boozer lied and cheated to get out of his contract and the jazz gave him the most money. If the timing was a little different, the jazz would have given all thier money to Kenyon Martin. Sloan lovers, please don't try to argue these points, becasue they are facts. I don't dislike KOC, becasue sloan makes all the decisions anyway, but it would be nice to have Al jefferson, but Sloan didn't want to put in the work to bring him along.

  • at sloan hater
    March 14, 2008 2:32 p.m.

    your venom has gotton old beyond belief...

  • re:sloan hater
    March 14, 2008 2:15 p.m.

    You make a point that I have been making for years. All these sloan lovers blame Karl Malone and John Stockton for failing to win the title, not just the title but too many wasted seasons getting knocked out in the first round. On the 2nd to last possession for the jazz in game 6 against the bulls, the entire bulls lineup could see the play sloan was calling (boozer is proof) jordan made a pump fake like he was folliwng horney accross the lane and went straight back to Malone, he KNEW what was coming.

    I cannot beleive we have a coach who calls out plays on every possession for our backup point guard. This is BASKETBALL not football, Sloan is not Norm Chow OK.

    The problem here is that sloan does not view this as an issue. As he always says, if we execue we will win. Jerry, sometimes just trying harder than your opponant is not enough, just wanting it more will not get it done, other teams/players want it just as bad so why tell them what you are going to do and take away your advantage. Boozer really exposed sloan as an idiot.

  • Sloan Hater
    March 14, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    re: JazzPlayers

    I completely agree with you in regard to Sloan's ability to 'coach' players. I think the casual Jazz Fan has come to understand the word 'coach' to mean 'deride a player until they lack confidence in themselves and their ability to play basketball OR refuse to take the crap and leave.'

    You really think that Bell and Fisher left for any other reason than Sloan. REALLY? You really think AK broke down because he wasn't getting the ball. REALLY?

    You mean Millionaire Athletes Don't LIKE sitting the bench and getting yelled at all the time in practice?!?

    The gauntlet is down Sloan Lovers. Name one boss you ever had that motivated you to excel by never clearly defining your role and abusing you verbally.

    Fire/Retire Sloan

  • Sloan Hater
    March 14, 2008 1:16 p.m.

    "It's better," Boozer said. "I hate looking back at the bench, because then everybody knows our plays. They're looking at the bench; we're looking at the bench.

    I always wondered how Jordan/Pippen seemed to know every play that was coming.

    Why can't Price call plays? If he sees a mismatch or thinks something will work, why can't he make that decision? Sloan must not value that UVU education.

    A little education for the uneducated. A Majority of the teams in the NBA DON'T have the coach calling plays from the bench! When does Nash look over his shoulder? Kobe? Parker?

    This article raises more questions than it answers and is another example of Sloan's inferior coaching ability.

    Fire/Retire Sloan

  • King-Black
    March 14, 2008 1:07 p.m.

    Ya thats true Raja Bell left via free-agency. Utah wanted him but Raja said that he wanted to play in Phoenix with Nash and that was his reason for not wanting to stay, not because Sloan didn't want him, and ya it is a coaches responsibility to bring along his players but if that player doesn't want to listen what in the heck do you expect the coach to do. And saying Sloan doesn't have the ability to coach is ridiculous what do you think he did with AK and is still doing with Williams, Brewer, Miles, Millsap, and soon to be Fes and Almond. Looks like he haves the ability to COACH his players to me. All they have to do is just listen to him. I mean because going off of some peoples posts if Sloan doesn't like Coaching younger talent then we shouldn't still have allot of players we got now, meaning he should have just traded all those mentioned above for veteran players. But as you can see he didn't. And all of the above mentioned, with the exception of Fes and Almond are getting better in the NBA.

  • JAFO
    March 14, 2008 1:02 p.m.

    wrong is right

  • BJ Jazzy Rasta
    March 14, 2008 12:58 p.m.

    KOConner is a genius. No other NBA team has rebuilt as quickly and efficiently as the Jazz have. Yes, it sucks to lose guys like Mo Williams and Raja Bell, but the rest of them never have and never will be great NBA players...just a few of them decent. We have players now who are better for our system. IE: Harpring, Korver, Brewer, D-Will, Booz, Okur, oh yeah and maybe I'll throw AK in there... Can't figure that dude out for the life of me! BEAT BOSTON!

  • Wrong your right!
    March 14, 2008 12:40 p.m.

    Your right "Wrong" Kris Humphries is the biggest chucker next to Chuck Norris... but at least Norris can do a round house kick.. and kick someone in the face or something.. Kris Humphries was to big of a Wimpy chuck to even get in there and mess around with the big boys let alone rough them up a bit! We have a dang good coach.. he is old school.. but he is good.. Raja Bell is the man.. and he was just to fast paced to play for Utah, his career is exploding with the suns.. its where he belongs

  • wrong??
    March 14, 2008 12:30 p.m.

    The jazz did not have salary issues when they let mo williams walk, you are just saying anything that comes to your mind because you don't want to disparage sloan so you go into panic mode and start making stuff up. The jazz owned Mo's rights as a restricted free agent (do you know what that means??) The bucks signed mo to a 3 year 5 mil contract. That is 5 mil total for the 3 years. The jazz were under the cap to sign him easily.

    You are also dead wrong about Sloan wanting to keep mo,if he wanted him they would have matched the offer, come on do I really have to explain that 1.5-1.7 mil is nothing in this league. At the time, sloan said mo was not his type of player and didn't fit the system. You obviously didn't pay attention at the time so look it up. Just because you love sloan don't start making stuff up in his defense.

    point being, if jerry was soooo great, why did he get nothing out of these first round picks. We can argue each player individually, but sloan HATES to coach young players.

  • Wrong...
    March 14, 2008 11:53 a.m.

    Kris Humphries is slow and a chucker. Kirk Snyder will never be consistent. Mo Williams is good and Sloan never wanted to let him go, the team had salary issues. Raja Bell wanted to leave. What do you do?

  • re:jazzplayers
    March 14, 2008 11:48 a.m.

    the difference between the players we dumped and the players we got is we traded or gave away our young talented players, we signed Boozer(who lied) and Okur because the Pistons were over the cap. If you love sloan, you will argue every point in his favor, but the truth is sloan doesn't have the ability or willingness to COACH players. There is really no point in arguing this because it is what is.

  • Commentor
    March 14, 2008 11:46 a.m.

    Didn't Raja leave via free-agency? The Jazz wanted him but couldn't keep him.

  • re: Jazz Players
    March 14, 2008 10:49 a.m.

    Yes, many previous Jazz players have gotten better through the years, but almost all of those (besides Raja Bell, in my opinion) are too free-spirited players that can't handle playing in a system that Sloan has...

    Giri is not playing well either...nobody is playing that great for the Suns...

    I think the only mistake out of those 4 was Bell...he has turned out to be a very good player...but you have to realize how many players we have picked up from other teams that have been great...boozer, memo, korver...

  • Maximum Maximus
    March 14, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    Deron good.

  • JazzPlayers
    March 14, 2008 10:22 a.m.

    You could not be more correct about Sloan ridding HIMSELF of players with potential who simply needed coaching of which jerry could not provide so jerry quit on these guys along with Kris Humpreys and Kirk Snider and Mo Williams.

    Kris Humpreys was the leading rebounder AND scorer in the Big Ten as a freshman. The guy had a ton of potential and great raw talent. But Sloan didn't have the ability to coach him or help him, so we give him away for Haffa who we had for one year and did not resign.

    If sloan gets so much out of the talent he has,what happened with all of the above??? Jerry has no ability to really coach, he can only coach players who do exactly what he says, if they cannot, they are GIVEN away. A coaches job is to bring along your players.

    By the way, in the '04 draft, the jazz took humpreys and 14 and Snyder at 16, guess who was taken 15th?? Al Jefferson. I heard that jerry didn't want Jefferson because high school players take too much work, and jerry didn't want to put in the work necessary.

  • Pennypacker
    March 14, 2008 10:12 a.m.

    SOUPE, I've noticed the lack of passes to AK from D-Will as well. It's been happening for most of this season, and it annoys me to no end. Another thing I've noticed in the teammate shunning department: Memo refusing to pass to Korver. Anyone else notice that one?

  • D-Will Dominates Paul
    March 14, 2008 9:47 a.m.

    I wasn't sure we made the right call when we drafted D-Will ahead of Chris Paul, but this year I have become convinced the Jazz brass made the right decision. D-Will IS the best point guard in the league since the All Star break and dominates Paul when they play head to head. I think they are similiar players but D-Will's size, strength, and shooting ability separate him from CP3. Paul is undersized and struggles against bigger more physical PG's like D-Will. I love having D-Will on our team and just hope the Jazz find a way to sign him to a max deal and he stays here until he retires.

  • magnus
    March 14, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    Wow...

    Tab????

    Now I am really beginning to question your judgment.

  • JazzPlayers
    March 14, 2008 9:36 a.m.

    I saw DeShawn Stevenson guarding James. He is a really good defender. I saw Pavlovic playing great for Cavs, Bell and GG playing good for Pheonix. Brewer is great. I wish Jazz had DeShawn/Pavlovic [underpaid starter with great size/skills]. Sloan threw out too many players without getting back any values for them.

  • Sloan Hater
    March 14, 2008 8:57 a.m.

    This is unbearable! I'm going to go drink another Tab.

  • Soupe
    March 14, 2008 8:48 a.m.

    Ya I love how DWill is playing. But sometimes his shot selection over a bigger man annoys me.
    Is it just me or DWill is not passing to AK? Does he wants AK to go away so that he can get a bigger money? !!! I HOPE I AM WRONG !!!

  • Boise Fan
    March 14, 2008 8:07 a.m.

    Common Clarky Boy Deron is already better than Paul, just look at their head to head matchups, Paul is having a good year but watch them get defeated in the first round of the play-offs. I would take Deron over Paul any day, don't buy into the ESPN hype on Paul. Oh and by the way where did the All-Star Brandon Roy go, Deron should have been in the All-Star game the last two years.

  • Buckeye Fan
    March 14, 2008 7:55 a.m.

    Is it just me or can anyone else sense it that Jerry is bending over backwards when it comes to DWill. He has turned into a DWill groupie...can anyone say 'contract extention'?

  • Racket Club
    March 14, 2008 7:30 a.m.

    Tonights the big one. This is the game that all the ball boys in the country would like to be at, out there shooting baskets before the players come out to warm up! Oh man it doesn't get much better than that. I think Boozer has heard enough of this Charmin talk, I'm looking to see him play some actual defense tonight. D will will impose his will and its Brewer to the hoop!!!! Go Jazz!!!

  • odogtriever
    March 14, 2008 6:28 a.m.

    Hey Sloan Hater! What do you have to say about this!I quess Williams calling plays is not an adjustment for Sloan.

  • Sinan
    March 14, 2008 2:13 a.m.

    Common Captain Deron, drive the car as best as you can. I heard that highway of Boston is full with sharp curves. GO JAZZZZZ

  • Clarky Boy
    March 14, 2008 1:14 a.m.

    Williams is the next Chris Paul. Don't get strung out man.

  • Double Double
    March 14, 2008 1:12 a.m.

    That is Bolerjack's favorite word. He should only get to say it 17 times a game. He says it way more than that.

  • Karlitos
    March 14, 2008 1:06 a.m.

    Williams and Sloan have come a long way over the last few years. We have a good team, but Deron makes us a great team. He's our MVP this year.

    Deron knows where his teammates like ball. Look at how Deron has made his teammates better. Memo and Ronnie Brewer have flourished playing with Deron. When Deron is not in the game, Memo doesn't get the same looks. Hopefully Deron will take Ronnie under his wing, so Ronnie will continue to develop.