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Utah Jazz: Sloan heaps praise on Williams
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Elmer Fudd Gantry | 12:44 a.m. March 11, 2008
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, evidently Coach Sloan is a big
man
Charlie's Riddles | 12:55 a.m. March 11, 2008
Here's a riddle for you, something I just noticed lately.
Ever since the trade deadline came and went Fess who was playing limited minutes has been playing an additional 10 minutes per game. This has been cutting into Langs playing time who has outperformed Fess in the D-league, but is unlikely to get called up unless he addresses wieght issues.
Could it be that Sloan wants Fess in shape for a 12th spot on the playoff roster?
Ever since the trade deadline came and went Fess who was playing limited minutes has been playing an additional 10 minutes per game. This has been cutting into Langs playing time who has outperformed Fess in the D-league, but is unlikely to get called up unless he addresses wieght issues.
Could it be that Sloan wants Fess in shape for a 12th spot on the playoff roster?
Charlie's Riddles | 12:52 a.m. March 11, 2008
I like what I'm hearing out of the coach and the players. Could this be
our year?
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The Voice of reason | 1:33 a.m. March 11, 2008
I just want to get on before the "Sloan Hater" gets on. Just let him
know that he has nothing worth noting here on this article, because he has yet
to really talk on topic... let alone have any validity to what he is saying
anyways. Save it "Sloan Hater". Your words are hollow to the rest of
the REAL Jazz fans.
Naha | 6:24 a.m. March 11, 2008
Can you believe how much better D. Williams play could be by now if the coach
had given him a great first year experience? Rather than run by His one style
fits all mentality? I am a true and real fan of the game.
West Challenge | 6:26 a.m. March 11, 2008
The only real test left in the West is LA (and possibly NO) -- everyone else is
slower and older, especially after Dallas and the Suns traded "down"
for their slugs in Kidd and Shaq.
Dr Jazz | 6:28 a.m. March 11, 2008
I agree, Sloan hater should do all his comments on the Spurs web page where it
would play better. I think Jerry has shown he can ajust and he's getting
alot out of his horses now. AK is happy. Williams is a monster. The role players
are not complaining. etc.
Still think 56-26 is the mark.
Still think 56-26 is the mark.
Sloan Hater | 7:01 a.m. March 11, 2008
But you are wrong, I ALWAYS have validity and something worth noting..
"I probably hindered him as much as anything in his first year."
He'll be saying the same thing about my boy MoAlmo.
Point proven on Sloan's coaching abilities.
Sloan is a big something, that's for sure!
Retire after the season Sloan.
"I probably hindered him as much as anything in his first year."
He'll be saying the same thing about my boy MoAlmo.
Point proven on Sloan's coaching abilities.
Sloan is a big something, that's for sure!
Retire after the season Sloan.
liberal larry | 7:18 a.m. March 11, 2008
After hearing Sloan rave about Williams, please refer to todays DMN article
about pharmaceuticals in Utah's drinking water. Obviously Jerry has been
getting a daily dose of prozac in his morning cup.
Bob | 7:24 a.m. March 11, 2008
He is Jerry Sloan. Head Coach of one of the best teams in the NBA.
You are Sloan Hater. Assistant coach of your daughters Jr. Jazz team who thinks you should be head coach of your daughters jr. Jazz team and you've got two sets of parents who will back you up on that.
You are Sloan Hater. Assistant coach of your daughters Jr. Jazz team who thinks you should be head coach of your daughters jr. Jazz team and you've got two sets of parents who will back you up on that.
Sloan Hater | 7:43 a.m. March 11, 2008
re: Bob
The ironic thing is... Sloan and I have the same number of NBA Championships! Let's talk when he takes the lead.
Fire Sloan
The ironic thing is... Sloan and I have the same number of NBA Championships! Let's talk when he takes the lead.
Fire Sloan
MLR | 8:00 a.m. March 11, 2008
I couldn't agree more with the accolades handed out to D-Will. I should not
even mention something that is on my mind constantly but I will, and please
don't take it as a negative. If D-Will is a real team player he will not
ask for the MAX on his contract that is upcoming. WHY? Because we have a lot of
players that we need to keep that are due new contracts in the next two years.
If players want title success they need to surround them selves with good
teamates. One or two max contracts prohibit those addtional signings for the
quality needed to be the best. Take a BIG contract Deron, but not the Max if you
really want to win. This super bunch of players we have now,we need to keep in
place if possible. Go Jazz.
Go Sloan Hater, Go | 8:30 a.m. March 11, 2008
Good one Sloan Hater (re: Bob). That's why this is a comment
"board" and not a "bored", which is what I would be if all I
had to read here was "rah rah, go Jazz". Although I hardly ever agree
with your points, keep 'em coming, they liven things up a bit around here.
(and I "almost" agree with you on the Mo Almond thing, BUT, it can
certainly be argued as well that it is BECAUSE Sloan handled D-Will the way he
did that D-Will is now performing at the level he is). I think you will see
Chris Paul's head start to swell with more success whereas Deron will
continue to grow and mature into a hall of famer like Stockton, all because he
received the type of rookie season he did under Coach Sloan.
Charlie's Riddles | 8:41 a.m. March 11, 2008
I really can't argue with the way Sloan coached Williams in year 1. Look
at the results. Any alternative is just speculation. I still remember when
Williams was shooting 30% from the field at midseason, and one NBA analyst said
they could not believe how poor Williams was a running an offense. Forcing the
issue could have ruined Williams, yet with Williams determination the benching
in the first half of his first season certainly did him some good. Look where
he is at today. Can you really argue with the results? I'm sure Sloan
hater would rather fire sloan for not picking Chris Paul, but thats why Sloan is
running the team. I wanted the Jazz to take Paul, but now I see sloans wisdom
in choosing the bigger stronger Williams.
Bob your right on target
Bob your right on target
Woody Cox | 8:52 a.m. March 11, 2008
The west is so competitive this year I can not believe it. I say the Jazz lose
betwwen 3-6 more games. Three being insanely well oiled machine, & Six
being a slight more realistic figure. If they lose more than six it will be a
disapointment. It is mathematicly and scientificly impossible for the Jazz to
lose less than 3 games. But if they lose 3-4 games, watch out for the Jerry
& Phil Machine in the post season. Also watch for Houston to slip next week
and lose a couple.
Anonymous | 8:51 a.m. March 11, 2008
Good to see sloan give dwill praise.
If you don't like sloan hater, ignore him. Last time I checked he hasn't personally attacked any of you, so why are you attacking him in such a way?
If you don't like sloan hater, ignore him. Last time I checked he hasn't personally attacked any of you, so why are you attacking him in such a way?
Adam Qif | 9:12 a.m. March 11, 2008
Jazz need to bring up Fess to give em some trouble in the play-offs (like six
minues of pure havoc).
King-Black | 9:09 a.m. March 11, 2008
Well I just think people are attacking anybody who posts stupid comments, not
anyone in specific, it just seems like there attacking one or two people because
those same people keep putting up stupid things, though every now and then they
put up decent comments.
Naha | 9:15 a.m. March 11, 2008
How many more years will it be until Sloan has a championship team? His track
record doesn't give a real clue does it? Could be a while? I am not
content to keep cheering this guy forward. In a few years he may retire and
Phil Johnson can continue.
In the mean time, it is unsatisfactory to say, "he is one of the best, and we are fortunate he would stay here so long"
After twenty-three or twenty-four years Utah will have no championship - but we will have had some great years going to the play-offs, out in one round, going to the conference finals, going to the finals (at least twice) - is this good enough for a twenty+ year coach with talented players. Or do we rationalize, "Not bad for a team from Utah"?
By the way "Voice of Reason" thanks for getting the juices flowing! I am a Real Fan who thinks the Jazz are better than the last twenty years show.
In the mean time, it is unsatisfactory to say, "he is one of the best, and we are fortunate he would stay here so long"
After twenty-three or twenty-four years Utah will have no championship - but we will have had some great years going to the play-offs, out in one round, going to the conference finals, going to the finals (at least twice) - is this good enough for a twenty+ year coach with talented players. Or do we rationalize, "Not bad for a team from Utah"?
By the way "Voice of Reason" thanks for getting the juices flowing! I am a Real Fan who thinks the Jazz are better than the last twenty years show.
Bluball | 9:18 a.m. March 11, 2008
Sloan is the man. Deron is the student. Jazz are ready to Roll!
Matt | 9:20 a.m. March 11, 2008
I think sitting Williams the first year was a good move. I think Williams
performs better when he has something to prove.
For example, Williams didn't make the All-Star team... so what does he do? He plays his heart out averaging almost 13 assists a game since all-star break.
Chris Paul wins rookie of the year... what does Williams do? Works his butt off that summer...
Sloan said young players learn a lot while they sit on the bench.
When asked about making the Olympic team Williams said "I've never been cut from a team, and I don't plan on it..."
Can you imagine how hard he will work if he doesn't make the team? I almost hope he gets cut... cause I know he's not gonna lie down and cry if he gets cut...
For example, Williams didn't make the All-Star team... so what does he do? He plays his heart out averaging almost 13 assists a game since all-star break.
Chris Paul wins rookie of the year... what does Williams do? Works his butt off that summer...
Sloan said young players learn a lot while they sit on the bench.
When asked about making the Olympic team Williams said "I've never been cut from a team, and I don't plan on it..."
Can you imagine how hard he will work if he doesn't make the team? I almost hope he gets cut... cause I know he's not gonna lie down and cry if he gets cut...
Back In Black | 9:23 a.m. March 11, 2008
King-Black is right. Make a good post and all is well. Make a dumb comment and
you will be exposed.
ENJOY IT WHILE IT LASTS | 9:28 a.m. March 11, 2008
DERON Will be gone as soon as he can. MARK MY WORDS. He's not getting the
"respect" he deserves here, and will want to play somewhere like
Chi-Town or New York where he can get PAID. I know he can make more in his
contract here, but how much is he losing in endorsments? How much resentment
does he still harbor from his rookie season? Not to mention that he hate's
being compared to John Stockton. He said it himself in an article a few months
ago about his being able to make more money here than anywhere else.
"It'll be hard to leave." He didn't say he can't or
won't leave. He said it will be hard. Translation. It may not be easy, but
I'm gone. Remember, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
Re: enjoy it while it lasts | 9:42 a.m. March 11, 2008
Deron Williams is going to get respect in NY or CHI? LHM has showed in the past
that he will pay. The Jazz arent stupid and they will find $ to pay. Kirilinko
and Memo will be long gone before D Will.
Just a | 9:42 a.m. March 11, 2008
game. You guys seem to value your own lives on how the Jazz do or who's
happy in the uniform. If dwill wants to go he'll go. Nothing Miller can
do about it really.
True | 9:46 a.m. March 11, 2008
I agree Deron will be gone first chance he gets. Why would he stay here in SLC
and not make the All-Star team? When he can go back home and become a MVP.
Utah fans you did this, should have voted him in as an All-Star!
To Enjoy | 9:47 a.m. March 11, 2008
Actually, I've heard it several other places first. And I still don't
believe it.
Sloan Hater | 9:51 a.m. March 11, 2008
You guys are too much!
The article is about Sloan ADMITTING he was WRONG to sit Williams, yet you spin it into a good thing.. sheesh.. my work is never done.
You would have justified sitting Michael Jordan his rookie year!
What player ever got better by sitting the bench? -Excluding the majority of the group here - :)
I will concede one thing. I really like the DLeague. Love watching Flash games. The DLeague serves a purpose, BUT it does not benefit guys who have played multiple years in college. Especially guys from Big Basketball Conferences!
Sloan would have been right to send guys straight out of high school or fresh from foreign ball to the DLeague, BUT don't hold back players like Dwill and Almond who have already played at a high level in college!
It is absurd to say DWill will leave regardless. I've never seen a player turn down a max deal! He will get one from the Jazz IF they can unload AK this offseason. Money Matters Most in the NBA! You heard that here First!
Retire Sloan, for my mental health's sake!
The article is about Sloan ADMITTING he was WRONG to sit Williams, yet you spin it into a good thing.. sheesh.. my work is never done.
You would have justified sitting Michael Jordan his rookie year!
What player ever got better by sitting the bench? -Excluding the majority of the group here - :)
I will concede one thing. I really like the DLeague. Love watching Flash games. The DLeague serves a purpose, BUT it does not benefit guys who have played multiple years in college. Especially guys from Big Basketball Conferences!
Sloan would have been right to send guys straight out of high school or fresh from foreign ball to the DLeague, BUT don't hold back players like Dwill and Almond who have already played at a high level in college!
It is absurd to say DWill will leave regardless. I've never seen a player turn down a max deal! He will get one from the Jazz IF they can unload AK this offseason. Money Matters Most in the NBA! You heard that here First!
Retire Sloan, for my mental health's sake!
Jazz Fan in Lubbock Texas | 10:02 a.m. March 11, 2008
If D-Will is smart and wants to become a hall-of-famer he will stay in Utah.
The system of ball the Jazz play is optimal for his game and his stats will
continue to climb. Boozer knew that the Jazz system would work for him (power
forward) that's one of the reasons he made the move from Cleveland. Net
result = Boozer All Star. D-Will will be an All Star soon enough and for many
years if he stays. No worries about endorsements, if you ball-it D-Will they
will come.
Clark | 10:30 a.m. March 11, 2008
People (Lebron James and Dwayne Wade) have turned down max contracts for 3 year
lesser deals so that they have more flexibility. It might be what D will does.
Not cuz he doesn't want to be here, but just to keep options open.
It's understandable. What will be interesting is to see how Boozer reacts
when Deron is a max player. I think it won't bother him, but you never
know. Booz seems real humble.
re: true | 10:27 a.m. March 11, 2008
Utah fans made Dwill miss the allstar lineup?
Uh, last time I checked there are fewer Utah fans because they are such a small market. Fewer fans=fewer votes= small chance at allstar team.
I'm sorry this simple fact escapes you.
Maybe it doesn't and you're just a closet Kobe fan?
If anything it was the awful december the team had. You know, the one where sloan got out coached?
Uh, last time I checked there are fewer Utah fans because they are such a small market. Fewer fans=fewer votes= small chance at allstar team.
I'm sorry this simple fact escapes you.
Maybe it doesn't and you're just a closet Kobe fan?
If anything it was the awful december the team had. You know, the one where sloan got out coached?
Moalmond | 10:28 a.m. March 11, 2008
If we didnt have a log jam of 2 guards he may have stayed. Non of the 2 guards
we have qualified to go down except brewer. If im not mistaken if you have been
in the league 2 years you cant be sent to the d league unless you are unsigned.
Tarheel Ute | 10:33 a.m. March 11, 2008
I like Coach Sloan. I've liked him since the beginning. His
"old-school" approach has built teams, for the most part, who fans can
admire as a team and individuals. No matter, I understand that he may have
overstayed his welcome not only with fans but players as well. No sign of this
at the moment becuase the Jazz are winning.
No doubt he has had enough chances to win a championship with some pretty good teams and it is a fair to discuss the long term good of the Jazz, and associate that with coach other that Sloan.
While I am certainly no a Sloan Hater, he will retire at some point. Is this the year or not? I think it should be sooner than later, however with high level of respect and appreciation due him from fans and players.
No doubt he has had enough chances to win a championship with some pretty good teams and it is a fair to discuss the long term good of the Jazz, and associate that with coach other that Sloan.
While I am certainly no a Sloan Hater, he will retire at some point. Is this the year or not? I think it should be sooner than later, however with high level of respect and appreciation due him from fans and players.
adam d | 10:46 a.m. March 11, 2008
sloan hater,
I agree there should be a spot for Fess on the jazz. If he came up 1 of 2 things may happen. 1-nobody will notice just like they dont notice collins 10 min a game. 2-He will make an imediate impact at back up center though small probably 4 pts 3 rebs and 1 block. All better than collins. However I disagree with almond coming up because Brewer/Korver are just too good at what they do. Almond would just ride the bench.
Also lets give it a rest on the sloan hating for a while. I think your too smart to actually believe there will be a change this season which really makes it look as though you write to get a reaction out of every one. It is kind of annoying to hear day after day. Though I am sort of in agreeance with you about sloan. It is a new young team and sloan is whether you can admit it or not better than 85% of the coaches in this league. I want to give him this season and next to see what he can do. After that I game for a change.
I agree there should be a spot for Fess on the jazz. If he came up 1 of 2 things may happen. 1-nobody will notice just like they dont notice collins 10 min a game. 2-He will make an imediate impact at back up center though small probably 4 pts 3 rebs and 1 block. All better than collins. However I disagree with almond coming up because Brewer/Korver are just too good at what they do. Almond would just ride the bench.
Also lets give it a rest on the sloan hating for a while. I think your too smart to actually believe there will be a change this season which really makes it look as though you write to get a reaction out of every one. It is kind of annoying to hear day after day. Though I am sort of in agreeance with you about sloan. It is a new young team and sloan is whether you can admit it or not better than 85% of the coaches in this league. I want to give him this season and next to see what he can do. After that I game for a change.
Moto X | 10:55 a.m. March 11, 2008
LHM is on record saying "Deron will get his money" it is a foregone
conclusion---and that means a max deal. He will be getting the max deal and who
can blame him for taking it. Which one of us is going to turn down all that
money? It is delirious to think in just his third year he will be
"sacfificing" his own millions so the Jazz can win a championship.
When was the last time you heard that happen in the NBA? His own financial
security will be coming first--bank on it.
This summer he will likely get offered a max contract BEFORE he can go elsewhere. Besides the EXTRA money he gets here, there is risk for D-Will not taking the deal. If he does not take it and he gets injured--what then? His "perceived" value could decline because he is injured and not playing. What if the injury could potentially affect his future performance?
The Jazz can keep their current main core together and engineer it all without paying luxury tax. The Jazz believe in keeping good players together as long as possible. It is the pieces around the main core that will be the big question.
This summer he will likely get offered a max contract BEFORE he can go elsewhere. Besides the EXTRA money he gets here, there is risk for D-Will not taking the deal. If he does not take it and he gets injured--what then? His "perceived" value could decline because he is injured and not playing. What if the injury could potentially affect his future performance?
The Jazz can keep their current main core together and engineer it all without paying luxury tax. The Jazz believe in keeping good players together as long as possible. It is the pieces around the main core that will be the big question.
sloan hater | 10:52 a.m. March 11, 2008
ok ok i will admit it. i am really a huge spurs fan. i have been for years.
you jazz fans really gave me a laugh. so serious. hope you guys keep the
intensity.
fire/retire sloan!
fire/retire sloan!
adam d | 10:59 a.m. March 11, 2008
sloan hater II,
And again complaining about sloan is easy. Anyone can do it. I want a solution.
Who? college coaches? van Gundy? Riley? I think popovich and jackson are taken. For the 5th time I want your list.
And again complaining about sloan is easy. Anyone can do it. I want a solution.
Who? college coaches? van Gundy? Riley? I think popovich and jackson are taken. For the 5th time I want your list.
californian | 11:19 a.m. March 11, 2008
Naha: How many years before any coach in the league gets a championship? If
anyone knows the answer to that one then the league has a serious problem...like
WWF style problem. Not knowing is what keeps us watching.
Sloan Hater: Whatever inner turmoil has made you so bitter, I feel sorry for you and hope you can come to terms with it and move on in life.
Only an idiot or a desperate man puts the company completely in the hands of a rookie...and the Jazz were not that desperate when Williams was a rookie...not at the top, but nowhere nearly as desperate as the Hornets were that year.
On a side note...I was never so enthralled with Jordan as a lot of people were...I see a lot of negative in the game...all the way down to the little tykes...that can be attributed to him...unlimited steps...unlimited use of hands by an offensive player...falling in love with ones own shot...he may have won championships, but if there was no money involved, I would much rather have played on a team with Stockton and Malone than one with Jordan.
Sloan Hater: Whatever inner turmoil has made you so bitter, I feel sorry for you and hope you can come to terms with it and move on in life.
Only an idiot or a desperate man puts the company completely in the hands of a rookie...and the Jazz were not that desperate when Williams was a rookie...not at the top, but nowhere nearly as desperate as the Hornets were that year.
On a side note...I was never so enthralled with Jordan as a lot of people were...I see a lot of negative in the game...all the way down to the little tykes...that can be attributed to him...unlimited steps...unlimited use of hands by an offensive player...falling in love with ones own shot...he may have won championships, but if there was no money involved, I would much rather have played on a team with Stockton and Malone than one with Jordan.
Sloan Hater | 11:40 a.m. March 11, 2008
re: adam d
Also, just to be clear. I don't post just to hear the sound of my own keyboard.
I sincerely want Real Jazz Fans to stop making excuses and see the light. If Sloan doesn't take this team to the Finals AND win this year, Call it Quits!
No more excuses! I am tired of seeing the graphic on nationally televised games showing how long sloan has coached BECAUSE it reminds me of HOW LONG it has been since the Jazz have Won a Championship!
What other Sports Franchise would Put Up 20+ years of being Good NOT Great! After 3 Years of Crowton/Giacoletti You Same Fans Were Calling for Change! Look at the Good that can come with Change!
This is a Movement that Can't be Stopped!
Also, just to be clear. I don't post just to hear the sound of my own keyboard.
I sincerely want Real Jazz Fans to stop making excuses and see the light. If Sloan doesn't take this team to the Finals AND win this year, Call it Quits!
No more excuses! I am tired of seeing the graphic on nationally televised games showing how long sloan has coached BECAUSE it reminds me of HOW LONG it has been since the Jazz have Won a Championship!
What other Sports Franchise would Put Up 20+ years of being Good NOT Great! After 3 Years of Crowton/Giacoletti You Same Fans Were Calling for Change! Look at the Good that can come with Change!
This is a Movement that Can't be Stopped!
Anonymous | 12:11 p.m. March 11, 2008
back to dwill.
Yes, I am sad to say that if a large market team that is above .500 makes Dwill an offer, he is gone.
Can you blame him really? If he wants fame, then he would need to leave.
Utah is basically flyover country to the elite sports media. We trash the thuggets and not one story on it . . .
Yes, I am sad to say that if a large market team that is above .500 makes Dwill an offer, he is gone.
Can you blame him really? If he wants fame, then he would need to leave.
Utah is basically flyover country to the elite sports media. We trash the thuggets and not one story on it . . .
Small market | 12:25 p.m. March 11, 2008
funny how we are a small market that can't keep decent players around for
an extended period of time, yet it is Sloans fault we can't win the
championship...
Seems to me like the Jazz may have overacheived the past 20 years, minus 1...beating out numerous big market teams that can land anyone they want...
Seems to me like the Jazz may have overacheived the past 20 years, minus 1...beating out numerous big market teams that can land anyone they want...
re: sloan hater | 12:26 p.m. March 11, 2008
I think most of us are happy with what sloan has done or he would have been
fired already. as for me i would rather see 18 50 win seasons than keep firing
and rehiring coaches just to have one championship, or a couple good seasons
like most teams have been doing lately. i think with the team we have now, if
we give it a little time, could win a championship. If the jazz were to fire
sloan after the season our team would fall apart.
Naha | 12:36 p.m. March 11, 2008
@ Californian
Not knowing when the championship will come is only a portion of what keeps me a fan. Most of us recognize NBA competition is legit, unlike the WWF, likely you do as well.
Hoping for improvement is another portion of what keeps me a fan.
I believe a coach makes a significant difference in the talent selected, how the talent is developed, how the talent is utilized, and team chemistry.
Utah has had tremendous talent during the Sloan years. But the Utah Jazz have never been an NBA champion.
In reality, I understand there is no way of knowing when a coach / team will win a championship. I do believe Sloan has had enough time.
I believe L Miller will not fire him. I urge Coach Sloan to step down.
His track record more than demonstrates (in a length of time most coaches get) that he has reached the max of his capacities.
Granted, he has helped bring the franchise admirable recognition. But there is more to be done. Can Sloan get the Jazz to the top? I don't think so. Close but not quite.
Retire Sloan.
Not knowing when the championship will come is only a portion of what keeps me a fan. Most of us recognize NBA competition is legit, unlike the WWF, likely you do as well.
Hoping for improvement is another portion of what keeps me a fan.
I believe a coach makes a significant difference in the talent selected, how the talent is developed, how the talent is utilized, and team chemistry.
Utah has had tremendous talent during the Sloan years. But the Utah Jazz have never been an NBA champion.
In reality, I understand there is no way of knowing when a coach / team will win a championship. I do believe Sloan has had enough time.
I believe L Miller will not fire him. I urge Coach Sloan to step down.
His track record more than demonstrates (in a length of time most coaches get) that he has reached the max of his capacities.
Granted, he has helped bring the franchise admirable recognition. But there is more to be done. Can Sloan get the Jazz to the top? I don't think so. Close but not quite.
Retire Sloan.
californian | 1:07 p.m. March 11, 2008
Naha...I haven't seen the rubric on how to judge what is or is not enough
time to win a championship...lots of teams have had lots of talent during the
Sloan years. Look at the famous "Top 50 of all Time" list and notice
the disproportionate number of those players that Sloan has coached against.
Factor in the number of high draft choices he has NOT had to work with, and the
prevailing attitude (even among fans) that the "newer" game does not
require players to give much respect to their coaches, and that Utah is an
undesirable location in which to play, and what Sloan has accomplished is
nothing short of remarkable. Funny how players who leave and have lots of bad
to say about coach Sloan are generally misfits and questionable characters...but
those players we want kids to emulate...Stockton, Hornacek, etc. have no
problems with the coach.
Moto X | 1:15 p.m. March 11, 2008
re: Sloan Hater vs. Adam d
Who really "expects" the Jazz to win a championship this year? You throw down the ultimatum to Sloan like it is a foregone conclusion that Sloan should win it all with this team.
They won 50 games last year. This year the Conference is much more difficult and they will likely meet or exceed that same total which means they are better than last year. All that said, does anyone "expect" the Jazz to be donning the rings? Unlikely.
The Jazz do have a chance though depending on playoff matchups and how they are playing at seasons end but I doubt too many people "expect" it. Nor do I recall some ultimatum being given to Sloan win it (regardless of whether you have the team to do it or not) or else you are fired.
Organizations evaluate whether they make progress from the previous year. The Jazz at this point, seem to be showing progress. Other W. Conference teams who are adding old aged stars may not be viewed as making progress. It is clearly--win now for them or they have little chance for several/many years to come.
Who really "expects" the Jazz to win a championship this year? You throw down the ultimatum to Sloan like it is a foregone conclusion that Sloan should win it all with this team.
They won 50 games last year. This year the Conference is much more difficult and they will likely meet or exceed that same total which means they are better than last year. All that said, does anyone "expect" the Jazz to be donning the rings? Unlikely.
The Jazz do have a chance though depending on playoff matchups and how they are playing at seasons end but I doubt too many people "expect" it. Nor do I recall some ultimatum being given to Sloan win it (regardless of whether you have the team to do it or not) or else you are fired.
Organizations evaluate whether they make progress from the previous year. The Jazz at this point, seem to be showing progress. Other W. Conference teams who are adding old aged stars may not be viewed as making progress. It is clearly--win now for them or they have little chance for several/many years to come.
Sloan Fan | 1:22 p.m. March 11, 2008
Dan Patrick had a poll question yesterday on the worst sports cities. It was
interesting to hear all of these big cities talk about how they would rather
have continued success than one championship mixed in with 10 years of being in
the cellar. You can't underestimate the fact that Utah hasn't really
had 'Down Years' during Sloans years. He has found ways to keep on
winning. It used to be that credit was given to Stockton and Malone, but once
they left then Sloan found other pieces to fit. If you honestly believe that we
would have won a championship during the last 20 years without Sloan, just look
at all the other teams with their High Profile coaches who haven't won
during that same span....In fact, only 9 teams have won the title since 1980.
The fact that Coach Sloan has kept us competitive for all these years is
amazing. Here's hoping for another 10 years out of Coach!
THE UPSTART | 1:57 p.m. March 11, 2008
The only way Deron stays is if he and LHM become "Business Partners"
in the same way Stockton and Malone did and they open "DERON WILLIAMS
DODGE". Otherwise the lure to fame in a real market will draw him away from
our "small" market. The differnece in MAX money and what he can make
in endorsements is huge.
Better make some room in Millerville, er Murray for the new dealership.
Better make some room in Millerville, er Murray for the new dealership.
Hollywood | 2:07 p.m. March 11, 2008
I admit to occasionally being on the "fire-Sloan" bandwagon. There are
parts of his coaching style that drive me crazy: his reluctance to change his
rotation (how long did UT suffer before he finally stopped playing Hart and
Collins); his drill sergeant tirades (public, obscenity laced tirades w/
Giricek, Ostertag, etc.).
But Sloan has overachieved, IMO. Sure, no titles. But how many quality players want to work in Utah? Not many as FA's and some flat-out refuse to report if traded.
Interesting that outside of a few malcontents (like Amaechi), most players compliment Sloan after they've left, even the ones that have not gotten along with him that well. Just read the recent comments by Stevenson or Snyder.
As for Williams, I bet he signs a max deal and stays. The UT offense is perfectly suited to get him assists or get shots on a kick out from Boozer, etc.
A bad December (by the team AND Deron), combined with having the All-Star game in New Orleans (no chance CP3 doesn't get a spot) is what doomed him this season. A lot of great PG's in the West, but Deron will get a bid soon enough.
But Sloan has overachieved, IMO. Sure, no titles. But how many quality players want to work in Utah? Not many as FA's and some flat-out refuse to report if traded.
Interesting that outside of a few malcontents (like Amaechi), most players compliment Sloan after they've left, even the ones that have not gotten along with him that well. Just read the recent comments by Stevenson or Snyder.
As for Williams, I bet he signs a max deal and stays. The UT offense is perfectly suited to get him assists or get shots on a kick out from Boozer, etc.
A bad December (by the team AND Deron), combined with having the All-Star game in New Orleans (no chance CP3 doesn't get a spot) is what doomed him this season. A lot of great PG's in the West, but Deron will get a bid soon enough.
Sloan Hater | 2:12 p.m. March 11, 2008
McMillan, Mitchell, Nelson, B.Scott, L.Brown, H.Brown...
R.Williams, Pearl, Izzo, Calipari, Self...
Any would be an upgrade over Sloan!
Save a Rookie, Retire Sloan!
R.Williams, Pearl, Izzo, Calipari, Self...
Any would be an upgrade over Sloan!
Save a Rookie, Retire Sloan!
RE: Sloan Hater | 2:22 p.m. March 11, 2008
How can you possibly state that those guys would be an upgrade over Sloan? None
of them have a Title to their credit, other than L. Brown. And he leaves teams
in worse shape then when hired. Calipari? Huge failure at the pro level.
Izzo, Self, Pearl? That is just laughable. But the best one was
Nelson...Nellie-Ball in Utah? The building would be empty. Who wants to watch
a bunch of whining, me-first idiots try to shoot as fast as possible? There is
something to be said about having a stable program, and Sloan has definitely
provided that.
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