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By Leigh Dethman and Bob Bernick Jr.
Deseret Morning News

Published: Saturday, Feb. 23 2008 12:29 a.m. MST

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Carole Knowles

Well, it's hard to say good-bye and let go...but it's time! Buttars' actions and reactions show that he is more committed to himself than to the people he serves. Who on earth elected this dude anyways? He did not change his views overnight. He sounds like he's been a long-time racist. It just rolls off his tongue. He can't help himself. That's who he is.

Henry Drummond

Wow. I was somewhat surprised by that poll. I have always suspected that the majority of Utahns were against Chris Buttars' extremism but were afraid to say so. I guess more people are deciding that they've had enough.

Hopefully in the next election the citizens of Senator Buttars district will elect someone who will represent the interest of the citizens rather than the extremist causes of the Eagle Forum.

Kevin

Of course it would be opposite of what gail hears she only hears from people that believe like she does or should I say Listens to people that say what she thinks

Gayle Ruzicka

"That's opposite of what I've heard."

But Gayle! Everything you hear is opposite of reality! Why don't you go home and tend to your own family, and quit worrying about everyone else's.

l

This is the exact reason Buttars either shouldn't run or that he will be defeated if he does run again this fall. His effectiveness as a legislator is gone. Anything he does or says now will be subject to even more intense scrutiny and others will want to avoid being seen as agreeing with him, whether or not he was wrong to begin with. It is true that bills should be debated on their own merits, but politics is just as much about appearance and PR as it is about the actual issues, so from now on as long as Buttars is still serving in the legislature he will be cast out by his colleages, which means his constituents are not being properly represented, so he should do the right thing for their sake and step aside.

Be Careful

This is a controversial bill, so please leaders, approach it without the emotion that Buttars has created. I would be poor leadership to pass a bill for or against purely on emotion.

I would also encourage some mercy for Buttars, not because what he said was acceptable, he needs counseling, but because his life or career should not be destroyed because of poorly chosen words. I think the poetry slam was a clear indication how his words are disgraceful, but they were only words. We shouldn't fight hate with hate.

Jedediah Thunder

A domestic partner registry can only add to and increase the domestic tranquility and stability of Salt Lake City. Isn't that what everyone wants?

It's the message AND the sponsor

While it's true that any legislation coming from Chris Buttars should be ignored, this bill is wrong no matter who it comes from. In an effort to sustain discrimination against a few people who are gay, it strips the rights away from all sorts of other people.

Anonymous

Most of the legislations are no better than Buttars. Weren't most of them in favor of Buttars' bill before he made his stupid comments?

There is no merit whatsoever to getting rid of the registry bill.


JJ

"But Gayle! Everything you hear is opposite of reality! Why don't you go home and tend to your own family, and quit worrying about everyone else's."

You overestimate her parenting skills. She's had her fair share of domestic messiness, no doubt due to the fact that she spends more time trying to run the lives of other people than tending to her own affairs.

That said, I wonder why the media even bother to quote her anymore. She becomes more and more irrelevant with each passing day. Legislators (other than Buttars) are learning that you can say "NO" to her and survive politically. Huntsman ignores her and has no problem staying afloat.

Adding

Buttars does not need counseling for what he said, but he may need now after all the slamming he is taking. Why can't people accept his apology and move on. Then reason he is not finding support one his latest bill, is because it is a stupid one. It has nothing to do with the fact that he used the word black. Oh, by the way. Is it now a African-American hole out in space?

Numa Numa

Speaker Curtis has demonstrated leadership that the President of the Senate lacks. Well done Curtis!

Moving Moderate

Just like our country in general, the residents of this state are more moderate than the long held reputation as an extreme right leaning state would suggest. I believe the LDS Church leadership (in SLC) also leans much more moderate than some of the rank and file Eagle Forum/Chris Butters type. It is time that the majority moderate/reasonable voice speak out and take a lead against the minority extremes that are being rejected in this country and now hopefully in our state!

Wilkey

10 years ago I might've actually cared if someone were called a "racist" or a "bigot." Heck, I might've cared one year ago.

But by now I am just plain fedup with "multiculturalism" and at the way race and accusations of "racism" have polluted every political debate we have. There are too many issues that we're not allowed to discuss anymore because taking one side is supposedly "racist." Illegal immigration, legal immigration, welfare reform, education reform, hiring policies, lending policies (and the subsequent mortgage crash boondoggle caused by it). The list goes on and on and on.

We're supposed to "celebrate diversity," but besides greater selection of cuisine there seems to be scarce little to celebrate. It appears the diverse peoples of this nation will spend the rest of eternity at each other's throats and ears, shouting cries of "racism."

So just tap your shoes and shout "there's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home."

wow

Is the rest of the country smoking illegal substances or have I completely lost it? I have been following this story from out of state for the past week and I can't believe what a crock of garbage this whole mess has become. Shame on the media. Buttars is a right wing politician, that is his only crime. The first day this was reported a link was available for the text of the debate on the senate floor. Buttars comments were completely taken out of context. If this newspaper and its readers were intellectually honest they would see that he is being railroaded like right leaning politicians all over the country. Take the word "black" out of the dictionary if you don't like the way it was used descriptively. What a shame. Political correctness is destroying the country. Want evidence? One can't even speak out against illegal immigration without being labeled a racist. You know you are doing the right thing if they completely ignore you or come down on you like a ton of bricks. Newspapers feed on controversey. What a joke. Wake up America.

Time for a new perspective

This registry helps a lot of people other than gays. For example I heard that a son - mother combination is helped by it allowing them to get insurance.

Even if it did help only gays, so what? I would be very disapointed if any of my kids turned out to be gay, but at the same time I would recognize that it is not their fault, any more than it is my fault that I am straight.

I believe it is wrong to focus on gays in such a way that you spend time thinking of ways to make their life miserable.

I disagree with religions that imply that people are not born this way. I have read several accounts of gay people who say they had these feelings as long as they can remember. One of these accounts was several months ago in the Deseret News, a gay person who although he was gay chose to get married because he believed this is what God wanted of him due to his LDS teachings.

He said it was repugnant to him, the thought of having relations with a woman.

Love is the greatest commandment, remember this.

CJem

I disagree with the attorney general's comment that the legislature should back off and let the courts act. The legislature is the place where laws should be made, where elected representatives of the people debate the merits in the open for all the world to see, where the people can contact their representatives to provide their input. The legislature has a responsibility to act within the constitution just like the executive and judicial branches do. Choosing to vote down a bill is as important a legislative decision as to approve a bill.

re:Wilkey

So, cultural dirversity to you means more coices on the menu at the restaurant.

People like you, and "David" and "Adding" just show how far we still need to go in Utah to have a civil culture.

I was one who was believing that the need for organizations such as the "NAACP" were disappearing and people were beginning to understand each other, but, you continue to prove that we have a long way to go.

to Wilkey 11:33

I am a minority and I am into education reform. Specifically I am very active in improving math education in Utah. The fact that minorities don't score as well means we need to spend extra money and effort to help them catch up, not dumb the curriculum down. So I agree with you there.

So far as immigration reform goes please convince me this isn't race based. If it is the law you care about, why no mention that for years Utah's have been flouting the speed limit?

You may be more comfortable excluding these people from coming here, but these people may be more comfortable if people like you weren't here either, and given history, you scarcely have more rights here than they do.

Also, If it is only the law and not that people like you supposedly care so much about, why don't I hear anything from you about lets start adhering to the Indian treaties where we by breaking them we took so much of their land wrongfully.

No mister, given history, you have no rights to get what you want in this case. You only care about law when you believe it is in your favor.

Time to Clean House

Buttars first and then the rest
They are not doing the peoples business
They have a new parking Garage

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