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odogtriever | 6:24 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Good!
Lets just hope Fess can help in May.
Ol'Pro | 7:02 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
"I'm always happy when a player is happyand is ableto play well.
That's my job" SlowN

Yea Garbage in ....Garbage out....

DOG HOUSES ! Happy?
RE: Ol'Pro | 7:43 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
I can guarantee that you are for more bitter and jaded than Sloan. You have only negative, nasty comments to make at all times. Beyond the negativity, you cannot write at all. Go to the Denver Nuggets website and cheer them on and we true Jazz fans will continue to hope for the best for the Jazz. Oh and by the way, the "SlowN" thing is really old. Get something new to contribute to the conversation.
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Jimmy's Sneakers | 8:17 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
If Jerry and Larry and Andrei are happy then Jimmy is happy too.
BIG DEAL! | 8:53 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
They already made a deal. I'm really not that disappointed. Kyle Korvar has helped give the Jazz much success. One of the biggest and underrated trades.
Lakers are overrated and Gasol is another injury soon to be and Bynum will be a lazy bum again. I cant figure
out why Laker fans think they are the greatest now and that Bynum will continue to be great after a small number of good games he had. Suns will be a little better with Shaq. Like when they had Kurt Thomas playing defense. Cavs are certainly better and one of the best deals of improvement. Spurs made one of the best deals for now. They should be a favorite again. Duncan has a ton more help now with Kurt Thomas. And all people can talk about is the Lakers.
Face it Laker fans! The Korvar deal was better and will come back to haunt you.
Moto X | 9:36 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
All you Sloan haters are probably fairly disappointed that this relationship has been repaired to working order. Afterall, you BLAMED IT ALL ON SLOAN and since he was entirely to blame for the problem then that must mean he gets ALL the credit for fixing the relationship--right?

In my opinion, AK gets some credit for WORKING on his shooting and improving his effort/attitude. Who really could be happy as a max player and you can't even hit a wide-open shot? It would be embarrassing. Nice work AK.

Sloan gets credit for changing the way he communicates with AK. Afterall, AK said this was the main problem so Sloan obviously made the effort and it paid off.

AK is definitely stroking it pretty well lately but where have all the blocked shots gone? I hope he goes to work on that next--we will need it in the playoffs.

I agree with the other comment--Ol' Pro, give it a rest and get a new act. Winning 19 of 22 games and you still are complaining? Here is some news for you. You can't win 19 of 22 games and still be a lousy coach.
stay AK | 10:31 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
A.K. is a great player. I see tons of talent in this guy. Glad he's staying!
Team Player | 10:54 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
re: RE:Ol'Pro - I so totally agree with everything you said about his comments. I just hate it when I see his moniker on the message board, its always the same tired bitter rant against Coach Sloan. And the "SlowN" thing is stupid, tired, and decayed as well. Its good to know I'm not the only one sick of that b.s.
As for the Jazz, I'm really glad they didn't trade away Kirilenko, he's just a vital part of this team without which we would simply not be as good. I think it says a lot about Jazz management that we don't make panicky moves like Dallas and Phoenix just did. I'm not convinced we don't have a championship team here right now, even without a shot-blocking center on the team, even if Fes stays in the D-league the rest of the year. GO JAZZ!
sloan hater is not happy | 11:21 a.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Jimmy is happy. Annoying but at least he is a true Jazz fan. As for sloan hater he can watch his Lakers lose and not meet expectations. I don't care to ever see sloan hater on these boards. He is every bit as brutal as a Knicks fan and has nothing positive to ever say.
The Jazz will win a championship with Sloan. sloan hater can eat his words and be a crummy Laker fan.
Re: Ol'Pro | 12:04 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Experience IS hard to come by. Why do you think D. Fish. was able to give the Jazz so much of a boost last year (despite pretty mediocure numbers)? Because of his experience.

Sloan knows what he's doing, but he doesn't give it to you in good sound bites. Just because he doesn't sound good enough for YOU in front of the Mic. doesn't mean he's a bad coach.

That'd be like saying Bill Belicek is a bad coach because he hates the media. He's very good (if a cheater). Sloan doesn't cheat like Phil Jackson encourages his players to do, if he did, the Jazz would have beaten the Bulls.
james | 12:23 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
if it is possible, i was, and still love both Sloan and Andrei..sure, Andrei's heart was not in his game last yr, and Sloan was too hard on him..but Andrei went from being the main player to a 4th or 5th option on the team..which would be tough for any athlete

both he and Sloan adapted very well, Andrei working on his shooting and Sloan getting DWill to include him in the offense..last yr, DWill seemed intent to prove he is the main player, and would deliberately overlook Andrei..DWill, although not publicized, was a factor in Andrei being unhappy

Andrei is a unique talent, as can run a offense, is a TREMENDOUS passer, can finish on the break, and is a very good defender..when Booze, DWill (who is improving) and Okur begin to move their feet on defense, Andrei can go back to focusing on his man and playing passing lanes..

Andrei is also playing much smarter, not playing with recklessness on defense, which led to his history of being injured..any Jazz fan should be very excited about the future..
Phil re: OlPro | 12:43 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
I Never get tired of "OlPro"!! Why do so many of you stick your neck out for a coach who has not won ANYTHING to get too exited about in 20 years. Even the great Phil Jackson and other's do not get a 20 year leash. There is no other owner in any pro sport that would keep an average coach for 20 years.

Sloan road the coattails of Stockton and Malone for way too long. It seems Jazz fans are totally content with getting knocked out in the first round with 2 first team all NBA players in the starting line up.
sloan hater | 12:46 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
I am not the laker fan btw. I hate the lakers.

Phil: be careful, somewhere it was written that "true" fans don't criticize a coach who hasn't won a championship in 20 years and berates players.

Sloan lovers still can't explain the lack of a championship with stockton and malone after jordan left.

AK and Milsap are gone after this season. Mark that down.

Re:Moto X | 1:16 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Why would you give Sloan credit for repairing a relationship that he destroyed in the first place???? Is that really the point you are makeing Moto X?? AK is a very good player and a great teammate. Jerry treated him very unfairly and the Jazz have been forced to bring in a "special" coach because the head coach doesn't know how to coach.

Sloan is on record saying that it is the players job to get along with him and NOT the other way around; Nice TEAM attitude Sloan. Moto X: don't waste my time with a reduculous rant that is completly contracticve and pointless.
RE: Phil and Sloan Hater | 1:21 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
If your argument is that Sloan is a bad coach for not winning a championship with the Jazz (nobody beat Michael Jordan in the Finals by the way), then it so follows that both Malone and Stockton were equally poor players for not leading their team to a championship. Players win championships. I do not see you criticizing them. Why? Because the whole assertion is pointless and false. Sloan, Malone, and Stockton all lost to a better team; is that explaination enough? I love them all, but they were only the second best team. Get over it. We are looking forward to a new era of opportunity to win the championship that we all covet as fans of the Utah Jazz. Cheer them all on!
clem | 1:21 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
ol pro,why not just go to bed!!!!
Sloan and Championships | 1:24 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Sloan has only so much to do with the past. If Phil Jackson had coached the Jazz, and Sloan the Bulls, then Sloan would have all of the championships because he would have had the better players and team. Yes, the Jazz had two hall of fame players, but so too did the Bulls, remember?
To Moto X | 1:31 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Hey Moto X, the guy that is criticizing you must have a great life. I guess that it is his boss' responsibility to get along with him. He can do whatever he wants because he is a nice guy but has no professional responsibilities to his boss. Whatever, how stupid. Sloan is the boss and others must fall in line. Is this not how it works everywhere else in the world? I have to treat my boss with respect no matter what, or, I get FIRED! We are all a team at my office, but the boss is at the top of the hierarchy. Not too revolutionary.
re:sloan | 2:11 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
I am referring to 20 years of under achieving, not just the 2 years they finally made it to the finals and lost in 6 games each time. How often do players like Stock and Malone come along? Not too often and further more, how often do they get to play together for 15 years.

Every Sloan apologist refers to the fact that they lost to Jordan; all throughout the late 80's and the entire 90;s they lost early in the playoffs to Phoenix and Houston as Seattle, check the records for yourself.

Every other franchise would have fired Sloan in the early 90's. Juste check his carrer stats, he has alot of regular season wins, but a very poor playoff record. Its great the jazz are playing well right now, just watch when they lose in the playoffs and you'll hear all the excuses in the world from Sloan blaming the players.
Ol'Pro | 2:11 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Haaa... @RE:, @Re: , @Team Player: , All three of you jokers where on the trade AK band wagon last year.

Funny..,can't write, one says,seems to me that none of you read to well. Uh What....Why,Oh... Y'all have'nt realized,SlowN's own quotes are being used on what he says to the press. So in essence,your comments are pointed right back at SlowN.Right?

@Moto X , On the contrary,I as well,am happy to see that things are better. Your point is valid.

However it was not SlowN that took this change upon him self. He got a nice speech in guidance and knowledge from LHM and KOC. The 20 years of Jazz history will tell you why it has worked better this year.

The other stuff,is SPIN---SPIN---SPIN, ever stopped and thought on how old this "coach can't do no wrong" stuff is? WHAT ..Oh it's not fair to turn the table ? RIGHT!

THX , Phil and the others.

P.S. It's a sad thing that a coach can't teach shooting techniques , but thats another can of worms . X's and O's are the perfection in what basketball is all about , Right RE: Re: Team Player:
re:to moto X | 2:25 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Congrats on having to kiss up to your boss everyday, that must be alot of fun. A boss that constantly reminds everyone he is the boss, has failed.

A coach is not a boss, you are making my entire point for me. A coach is a teacher, and leader and a mentor. There are times when a coach needs to repremend and dicipline, but come on, he also needs to listen, and encourage. Jerry is so stubborn and jealous of how much money players make it just gets in the way. Listen to him talk about the players and their money, its like he hates the players.

Jerry is also on record saying he cannot watch game film because he gets to negative. We have a head coach that admitted that he doesn't watch game film!!!! What does he do all day??
Nuggets to RE: | 2:27 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Whats the matter buddy, your skin a little thin?
How can you guarantee anything, let alone bitterness , jaded over someone else?
It seems that you're absent in the reading ploys.

I understand Ol'Pro's quotes perfectly .

Does your mother know that your on her computor?
re: phil and sloan hater @ 1.21 | 2:30 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
You still haven't explained why sloan never won a championship AFTER Jordan retired.
Deal or No Deal | 2:45 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Enough of the drama! This is basketball not reality TV!
Korvar was the trade it was just made early! O'Conner did incredible! Forget the LA Fakers!
I know sloan hater would rather watch American Idol since he hates the Jazz so bad but the only reason why I own a TV is to watch sports. I am a real man and prime time television has been destroyed by reality junk. sloan hater needs to stop whining and enjoy the games. Sloan will win a championship and sloan hater can move to LA!
predictions | 2:55 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
AK is gone next year. Done. Same with Milsap.
Price will also leave for more time/$$ elsewhere.
Collins will stay. Hart also. Jerry loves "hard workers"
Fes and Almond are gone too. If he wanted them he'd be giving them playing in preparation for a tough western conference playoff picture. He is letting them rot. Go coach!

Sorry, but your boy jerry doesn't have room for all of them in his Amish offense.
re:Office Life | 3:02 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Did Jordan knock the jazz out of the playoffs for 15 straight years??? I seem to remember the jazz leading Dallas 2-O in a series and lost game 5 at home when they were leading by 17 points going into the 4th quarter. For those of you who don't remember anything about sloan other than the last 22 games, might recall Calvin Booth hitting the game winner.

Sloan destroyed that team ruined the season. But hey, he's the boss and it was the players fault as he pointed out immediatley after the game.
re: deal or no deal | 2:59 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
CAN YOU READ?

I said I don't like the lakers.
Re: Ol'Pro | 3:23 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Funny. In the statement where Ol'Pro laughs at all the people who say he can't write, he have a spelling or grammar error every other word. Also, Sloan isn't perfect, but he's had to be good to last this long as a coach. I absolutely agree with all the Ol'Pro haters. Ol'Pro needs to get a life. Conversely, he could try to coach a professional team--any sport--and see how well he did.
John Rambo | 4:16 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
I am a huge Sloan fan, and think that firing him would be a terrible move for the Jazz. However, some of the points being made here are valid. They had a great team, probably the best team in the west, for at least six years, and yet it took them until '97 to get to the finals. Whether it's coaching, or simply not having the right pieces, the Jazz underachieved in the '90s with that team and Sloan has to take part of that blame.

However, to say that he's too 'old school,' or that his offense isn't effective is ridiculous. George Karl has called him an 'offensive genius.' He gets his players to play hard, play together, and right now he's winning games. They players respect him, and they're lucky he's decided to stay around this late in his career.
rvalens2 | 4:11 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
RE: Ol'Pro

Can somone please translate Ol'Pro's latest comments?

The vernacular he uses to pontificate on Jerry Sloan's coaching acumen seems a bit ostentatious for those of us who never graduated from elementary school.
Team Player | 4:22 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Nice fabrication Ol'Pro! I was never on the trade Kirilenko bus. Ever! I've always loved how he plays, especially his first couple of years. Exuberance and love of the game showed in his game in nearly every play!

As for those who keep asking why Stockton and Malone didn't win any championships after Jordan retired, here's your answer. Hornacek's knee forced him to retire! So just like before Hornacek joined the team, they didn't have enough complimentary pieces to get to the top. If I remember correctly, that same year after Jordan retired, the Jazz also lost a couple of important role players to free agency as well. I think they had Olden Polynice that year, Armen Gilliam, etc. - a bunch of pretty worthless pieces.
As for Sloan teaching shooting techniques, I'm just guessing that you don't get to coach at an NBA level without teaching shooting techniques.

I really don't consider myself a Sloan lover, I just think its highly likely that he and his coaching staff know a lot more about the game than myself or anyone else on this message board. Plus the respect of his coaching peers says a lot too!
THE TRUTH | 4:39 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
THOSE WHO FAIL TO REMEMBER THE PAST JAZZ (SLOAN) HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. SLOWN IS GREAT! CAN'T EVERYBODY JUST PUT ON THEIR ROSE COLORED GLASSES AND GET ALONG? THE JAZZ ARE RIGHT THERE BUT I THINK THEY ARE STILL A YEAR IF NOT TWO YEARS AWAY FROM REALLY HAVING A CHANCE TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. DALLAS CUT THEIR WINDOW SHORT, SA WILL FALL APART ANY DAY NOW, SAME THING WITH PHOENIX, KOBE IS 30 BUT HAS PLAYED ALOT OF GAMES, TWO YEARS FROM NOW HE WILL START SLOWING DOWN, DETROIT, BOSTON, AND CLEVELAND WITH THEIR LATEST TRADE IS IN THE SAME BOAT. PORTLAND IS SCARY BUT THEY HAVE COME DOWN TO EARTH AND THEY ARE EVEN FURTHER AWAY. PATIENCE JAZZ FANS OUR TIME IS COMING!!! JUST NOT THIS YEAR!! WE WILL GET OUR SHOTS AGAIN WITH OR WITHOUT JERRY!
sloan hater | 4:35 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Sorry I lied! I love the LA Lakers! Now everybody knows my secret and can mock me as long as I stay here on the blogs. So now I can move to LA and enjoy my Lakers and leave you all in peace.
To Re: | 4:41 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
"He have a spelling or grammar error every other word" . What ... He have? "All the people",just a couple is not all.If you do not know who the Ol'Pro is,I would'nt make stupid comments as to challenge his knowledge about "any sport"!

Phil | 4:49 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
John Rambo is wise: I have am not saying to fire sloan right now, but if they fail in the playoffs, LHM should consider and new voice.

I have said many times on this blog, in many different ways, that the Jazz really under achieved for many years under Sloan. Many jazz fans revere slaon like he is Phil Jackson or someone of that stature, when in true, unbiased reality, he is a pretty average coach, with pretty average results, when you consider what he had to work with for soooo long. I am telling any sloan lover to look at his carrer in the playoffs and you will see how many seasons he failed to reach the team's potential.
RE:rvalens2 | 4:46 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Whats the Gibberish Dangggggggggg!!!!!!
bigjazzfan | 4:52 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
I doubt sloan would have won a championship with the bulls.

Because he would have had jordon stand out by the three point line while the point guard and powerforward do all the playing.
re:team player | 4:55 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
If sloan is admired so much by his coaching peers, why has he not been voted coach of the year, or been asked to coach USA basketball.

I am not saying Sloan is an awful coach, but in my opinion he is quite average. I read on this blog all the time from fans who argue that he is one of the greatest coached of all time, which is absurd. Fans have written that he gets more out of his players than any other coach in the league, Phil Jackson, Greg Popovich, Pat Riley.

Come on, its one thing to support your coach, but lets keep our heads when it comes to undeserved praise for a coach who once pushed a ref and was suspended.

Ask any of the following players what they think of Sloan: Hornecek, Carr, Chambers, Jeff Malone, Greg Foster, Chris Morris, Ostertag, Thurl Bailey, Stevenson, Fisher, Snider, Kris Humpreys, Blue Edwards, Polynice, Ameachi. Truth is, most players don't like jerry, even Karl Malone has litte to say about Sloan.
Re: THE TRUTH | 5:03 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Kudos! sloan hater needs special help. The Jazz are a great team and Jerry deserves a lot more credit not just from Jazz fans but national recognition and a coach of the year award since Phil Jackson was awarded and other people who did not deserve it.
Sloan Rules | 6:50 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Milsap isn't going anywhere next year. He is a Restricted free agent and no team wants retricted free agent.

Sloan did coach in Team Usa. Dream Team anyone?
re sloan | 11:47 p.m. Feb. 22, 2008
Well, if Sloan's ways dont get it done, then who would you suggest could take the current roster to the finals and win it?

This year the finals look wide open to any of the top teams. No team has showed its dominance of the elites.

Id say this is the year to do it. The Jazz some awesome players starting and on any given night have a great chance to beat any team out there when playing thier best.

Coaching is not just the ability to call up some good plays, but to get all the players to work as one motivated cohesive unit. Maybe thats whats been lacking in the past? who knows.

If the team breaks down short of the finals this year, then maybe its time for a new coach.
Anonymous | 8:23 a.m. Feb. 23, 2008
How about a breakdown in LA? A loss to the Cllippers? Nothing to do with coaching was it? Maybe Slown will be honored by his peers as coach of the year, after all he brought Korver to the team, he healed Kirilenko, and he developed Hart.

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