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Howard | 12:03 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
I find it hard to believe they can forcast what the weather patterns will be for
tne next 20+ years when they have trouble forcasting the weather a week from
now.
Anonymous | 12:14 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
You can once again blame the power of Utah's conservative guru, Rush
Limbaugh, whose hatred for Al Gore and fellow Dems has him repeating things to
his faithful, such things as "tree-huggers" and "environmental
wackos" and his deluded, hate-filled, brain-dead legions eat it up.
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mark whitney | 12:15 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
don't worry you and your family will be flushed down quickly as you have
built your house and brains on an old lake bed anyways! That should help cure
what ails the place anyways.
rokinutah | 12:27 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
They say the odds are 50% that it may dry up. I will bet on odds of 1 in 5 that
it does not ??!!
I laugh | 12:34 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
as I send these blogs from Utah out to various religious organization to
illustrate what true stewardship is all about. They then can see why these guys
are arrogant, deflective,leave nothing for the future people..but then one must
remember ..they are only visitors here as they will be one day on their way to
Missouri..hopefully with big wide open arms by the show me state ..but it might
be too late to show anything.
BBKing | 12:39 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Hey, I like the new moniker BaByKing. Well, when you can't win on facts
resort to name calling. That has worked since kindergarten at least. Followed by
a good smack in the nose, but I gave up both by about 8th grade.
The enevitable? Well sure, if we keep doing what we were doing, but we aren't and haven't been for some time now. Way back in the 1970's Lake Erie literally burned. More the pollutants in the lake burned but since then, Lake Erie is incredibly clean and healthy.
In Utah we have had a very sordid history of contamination but no more. Our state is so much cleaner than what it once was, and mistakes are not being repeated. Pollution is very much regulated.
And are you bland about the new micro-fibers that generate electricty? If so it's evidence you are not after a clean environment but a radical anti-commercialism, "man is evil" type.
To the other blogger who posted about northern Africa once hosting thriving populations. It would seem that you are blaming the Sahara Desert on man. Is that correct?
What ever happened to acid rain? Oh, another fraud exposed.
Decisions based on real science please.
The enevitable? Well sure, if we keep doing what we were doing, but we aren't and haven't been for some time now. Way back in the 1970's Lake Erie literally burned. More the pollutants in the lake burned but since then, Lake Erie is incredibly clean and healthy.
In Utah we have had a very sordid history of contamination but no more. Our state is so much cleaner than what it once was, and mistakes are not being repeated. Pollution is very much regulated.
And are you bland about the new micro-fibers that generate electricty? If so it's evidence you are not after a clean environment but a radical anti-commercialism, "man is evil" type.
To the other blogger who posted about northern Africa once hosting thriving populations. It would seem that you are blaming the Sahara Desert on man. Is that correct?
What ever happened to acid rain? Oh, another fraud exposed.
Decisions based on real science please.
Great Idea | 12:35 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Here is a great Idea, why not build another dam on the Green River where it
flows out of the Book Cliffs and save that water from being waisted down river.
It would clear up the river. It would allow the desert to flower around Green
River City and and what a great recreation area for all of the people in the
Wasatch Front area. it would be close convenient and benefit the entire Eastern
Utah Area.
Obon | 12:37 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
We undestand per previous articles that your snow pack is around 150% of normal
this year. If the reservoirs are going dry, where are you going to put it?
where the bloggers get it | 12:58 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
"On no issue has the evidence of my foresight and keen political instincts
been more compelling than that of the environment. Come, let us count the
ways:
Despite the hysterics of a few pseudo-scientists, there is no reason to believe in global warming
Mankind is not responsible for depleting the ozone layer
The Earth�s ecosystem is not fragile, and humans are not capable of destroying it
The real enemies of the radical environmental leadership are capitalism & the American way of life
There are more acres of forest land in America today than in 1492
Less-developed cultures are not kinder to nature than technologically sophisticated civilizations. The reverse more often is true
Big-government regulation is not the best way to protect the environment
Many environmental groups have adopted their cause with all the enthusiasm of a religious crusade, abandoning reason and accepting many faulty premises on faith
Mankind is part of nature and not necessarily the enemy."
Author - Rush Limbaugh (from his radio show)
Now we see where these radical right-wingers get their nutty B.S.
Despite the hysterics of a few pseudo-scientists, there is no reason to believe in global warming
Mankind is not responsible for depleting the ozone layer
The Earth�s ecosystem is not fragile, and humans are not capable of destroying it
The real enemies of the radical environmental leadership are capitalism & the American way of life
There are more acres of forest land in America today than in 1492
Less-developed cultures are not kinder to nature than technologically sophisticated civilizations. The reverse more often is true
Big-government regulation is not the best way to protect the environment
Many environmental groups have adopted their cause with all the enthusiasm of a religious crusade, abandoning reason and accepting many faulty premises on faith
Mankind is part of nature and not necessarily the enemy."
Author - Rush Limbaugh (from his radio show)
Now we see where these radical right-wingers get their nutty B.S.
OK | 1:02 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Lake Erie, almost terminal case of pollution in the 1960-70s, true. Since then,
well, ever been to Cleveland. They're not throwing in as much pollutants as
they used to but are they clean. Nope, long ways to go.
We were in SLC recently, man the smog was bad. You seem to have gone backwards in that area.
Micro-fibers generating electricity, neat idea. Now how to make it practical. Hang out the wash with jumper cables attached? We await the outcome.
North Africa?, heck take the whole continent. When satellite obervations became possible a number of years ago they found this very square patch of green in a sea of brown. They sent someone to investigate. The native peoples cattle had eaten the land bare and then they were starving. The green was a European man who practiced logical farming methods. Why is only Africa home to such de-nuded lands? Answer your own question.
Acid rain. Oh, my favorite. Dump all that limestone in and put in fish and people come and catch all the fish and then there are no fish. Wonder why? Oh, acid rain. Nope, just part of the answer.
We were in SLC recently, man the smog was bad. You seem to have gone backwards in that area.
Micro-fibers generating electricity, neat idea. Now how to make it practical. Hang out the wash with jumper cables attached? We await the outcome.
North Africa?, heck take the whole continent. When satellite obervations became possible a number of years ago they found this very square patch of green in a sea of brown. They sent someone to investigate. The native peoples cattle had eaten the land bare and then they were starving. The green was a European man who practiced logical farming methods. Why is only Africa home to such de-nuded lands? Answer your own question.
Acid rain. Oh, my favorite. Dump all that limestone in and put in fish and people come and catch all the fish and then there are no fish. Wonder why? Oh, acid rain. Nope, just part of the answer.
Can't win | 1:37 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
So, it's colder and wetter this year because of global warming, and
it'll be warmer and drier next year for the same reason, right? Sounds
like you've covered all your bases, then! Can't argue with a theory
that encompasses ALL potential scenarios as evidence of its correctness. Man,
do I feel stupid that I didn't see the signs right in front of me. Or were
they behind me?
Sensible Scientist | 1:55 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Keeping score: We have here various levels of education on the topic, the usual
resorts to name-calling, and the usual left- versus- right rhetoric. Give
yourself 5 points for citing data or quoting climate scientists (5 pts for each
instance). Take away 10 points for name-calling or labeling, and 10 points for
assuming someone's political affiliation.
Those who denigrate Utah and Utahns: Fact is, your home state is probably much more polluted than Utah and the people there love the land less and spend less time on it. Yes even you, Rocky Mtn Superfund states. Lose 5 points.
To those who predictably blame Rush Limbaugh for opinions they disagree with (I don't listen to Rush): Lose 10 points. Radio and TV commentators don't make up their material on global warming, they generally get it from climate experts. Stick with the message, not the messenger if you want to score any points here. Lose an additional 5 points for insulting the messenger.
Lose another 10 points if someone cites data that contradicts your claims.
How's your score? I calculate that BBKing is in the lead, with "Getting the Right Facts" and various Anonymous posters far in the rear.
Those who denigrate Utah and Utahns: Fact is, your home state is probably much more polluted than Utah and the people there love the land less and spend less time on it. Yes even you, Rocky Mtn Superfund states. Lose 5 points.
To those who predictably blame Rush Limbaugh for opinions they disagree with (I don't listen to Rush): Lose 10 points. Radio and TV commentators don't make up their material on global warming, they generally get it from climate experts. Stick with the message, not the messenger if you want to score any points here. Lose an additional 5 points for insulting the messenger.
Lose another 10 points if someone cites data that contradicts your claims.
How's your score? I calculate that BBKing is in the lead, with "Getting the Right Facts" and various Anonymous posters far in the rear.
Anonymous | 2:09 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Keeping score:
Sensible Scientist - 0
For living in his own little thumbs up/thumbs down world.
Sensible Scientist - 0
For living in his own little thumbs up/thumbs down world.
Anonymous | 2:12 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
I think Sensible Scientist will dry up before Lake Powell.
Or at least I hope. ;>
Or at least I hope. ;>
skier | 2:17 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
finally those bemoaning the loss of Glen Canyon to the Dept of Interior will get
their canyon back.
from the 4-corners region | 2:44 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Come on people where is your faith? Have any of you doomsday folks checked out
the snowpack for the San Juan mountains this year? Some areas are at 170% above
average snowfall. It was just announced this week the the B.O.R. will be
increasing the flow from Navajo Dam to 3000 cfs by March to prepare for the huge
run off.
The Lord has answered many prayers in this area and we are being blessed with a great deal of moisture all of which will be running downhill to lake Powell.
The Lord has answered many prayers in this area and we are being blessed with a great deal of moisture all of which will be running downhill to lake Powell.
who cares | 2:45 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
post this article in july, when it's hot and dry. It's honestly hard
to care about things drying up when I had to shovel 2 feet of snow in my
driveway this morning.
Anonymous | 2:54 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Gag. I LOVE articles like this. Will ANYONE pull it out in 2021 and read it?
Man, I hope so. Time capsule this one, baby.
Global warming is bad science, but I don't see why this is the issue here, it's water.
What these experts fail to work into their predictions is that people are smart. They figure out ways to make things work. We will be doing things very differently in 2021 than we do now, based on our new findings and new knowledge. People are always learning and growing and changing, and we are an incredibly smart species when it comes to survival. We adapt.
Global warming is bad science, but I don't see why this is the issue here, it's water.
What these experts fail to work into their predictions is that people are smart. They figure out ways to make things work. We will be doing things very differently in 2021 than we do now, based on our new findings and new knowledge. People are always learning and growing and changing, and we are an incredibly smart species when it comes to survival. We adapt.
Anonymous | 3:01 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
If the beautiful Glen Canyon DOES come back, the GOP will probably want to turn
it into a prison for illegal immigrants.
HAHAHA | 3:03 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
I love a good laugh. Climate Change, like our planet's climate has ever
been stable. Oh yeah, and BTW you environmentalist alarmists, why don't
you all move to a deserted island, and live off the land with no electricity, no
transportation, none of these cursed modern conveniences that are
"destroying" our planet.
Oh that we could be more like the caveman, in tune with the wonders of nature.
Oh that we could be more like the caveman, in tune with the wonders of nature.
Mark Whitney | 4:10 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Who's the jerk using my name. Let me know ho you are you coward.
I did not post this:"don't worry you and your family will be flushed down quickly as you have built your house and brains on an old lake bed anyways! That should help cure what ails the place anyways."
I just love those who are afraid to stand behind their words, but when you use my name to post your mindlessness, that is low.
Mark Whitney
Sandy
I did not post this:"don't worry you and your family will be flushed down quickly as you have built your house and brains on an old lake bed anyways! That should help cure what ails the place anyways."
I just love those who are afraid to stand behind their words, but when you use my name to post your mindlessness, that is low.
Mark Whitney
Sandy
The President has spoken | 4:37 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
"Global warming threatens us all, whether we're mowing our lawns,
rafting down a river in a national park, or driving to the end of the driveway
to get our mail," President Bush recently said. "The task that lies
ahead is undeniably hard. But if we do not succeed, we will be profoundly
inconvenienced. And I promise you: America will not let that happen."
Speaking at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser Monday night, Al Gore said that now that Bush has taken up the cause of global warming, the former vice president and environmental activist will redirect his energies toward developing a personal spacecraft capable of transporting a family of four to a distant planet.
Speaking at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser Monday night, Al Gore said that now that Bush has taken up the cause of global warming, the former vice president and environmental activist will redirect his energies toward developing a personal spacecraft capable of transporting a family of four to a distant planet.
bhparkman | 4:40 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
There is this strange weather event called "precipitation." Instead of
looking to government for a solution; get some 2X4's, plastic sheeting,
rain gutters, some water barrels, filter... and collect the water by
yourself!
Experts can tell you that 'public' water supplies are getting low, but they can't do much about your own 'private' water supplies.
Do your homework, roll up your sleeves, and make sure your private supplies are better than your overpriced public utility.
Experts can tell you that 'public' water supplies are getting low, but they can't do much about your own 'private' water supplies.
Do your homework, roll up your sleeves, and make sure your private supplies are better than your overpriced public utility.
BBKing | 4:42 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Let me mention this again, maybe I am missing something.
Today the Deseret News carries the story though it broke yesterday. It is of micro-technology that will allow a person to recharge their cell phone, i-pod, etc by simply plugging it into their shirt, coat, pants, etc.
We are talking renewable energy!
And with the breaking of this story I just read a story about French scientists using similar concepts that could coat a building with a similar material and with each raindrop electricty is generated.
I know this story is about extreme-fear mongering, yet if you read the story in this paper, one person commented on it: Me.
Why is this not big news? Why do we not see all of the environmentalists on this story, quite enthused might I add, not even touch that story? Does this not mean we are close to complete energy dependency? Does this not mean that within our life-time, maybe within a couple decades we may see the last coal powered power plant shut down because free markets have deemed it the most expensive form of energy?
Silence!
This is why I think environmentalists are not about good policy, but anti-man/pro-Marxism = power.
Today the Deseret News carries the story though it broke yesterday. It is of micro-technology that will allow a person to recharge their cell phone, i-pod, etc by simply plugging it into their shirt, coat, pants, etc.
We are talking renewable energy!
And with the breaking of this story I just read a story about French scientists using similar concepts that could coat a building with a similar material and with each raindrop electricty is generated.
I know this story is about extreme-fear mongering, yet if you read the story in this paper, one person commented on it: Me.
Why is this not big news? Why do we not see all of the environmentalists on this story, quite enthused might I add, not even touch that story? Does this not mean we are close to complete energy dependency? Does this not mean that within our life-time, maybe within a couple decades we may see the last coal powered power plant shut down because free markets have deemed it the most expensive form of energy?
Silence!
This is why I think environmentalists are not about good policy, but anti-man/pro-Marxism = power.
PapaCorn | 4:57 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Wait wait wait. I thought, according to Al Gore, once the polar caps melt that
we'd all be under water. So what is it? The lakes drying up or we're
all going to be under water???
Oh oh... | 5:06 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Lake Powell has been rising the last three years in a row and certainly will
this year. In my expert opinion it will overflow and in conjunction with global
warming, combine to wash out Los Angeles by 2012.
... excuse me now, I have to go shovel more snow...
... excuse me now, I have to go shovel more snow...
the important stuff | 5:27 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
It is our responsibility to think of the future of the
earth�not for ourselves, but for those who will inherit
what my wife and I leave behind when we're gone. If we do not join together
and do what's best for this, our only planet, there may not be an
environment left in which my five children, and their 25 children's 125
children, can grow up and raise large upper-middle-class families of their
own.
Nothing less than the preservation of my descendents' lifestyle itself is at stake.
Nothing less than the preservation of my descendents' lifestyle itself is at stake.
It's for MY family | 5:35 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
We must take steps immediately to devise safe, alternative energy sources that
my future offspring can safely consume. If we don't develop new fuels now,
there will be none left for those who issue from my loins to burn and continue
to burn for all time. I don't want my 625-odd great-grandchildren to have
to wait 20 or 30 precious seconds for their toilets to flush. I don't want
their 3,125 children to live in a hellish society where they cannot own their
own snowmobiles. And I shudder to think that my 15,625
great-great-great-grandchildren may not be able to have TVs in every room that
they can leave on all day and all night. Is it our right to deny my progeny of
their gargantuan RVs and motorboats, as well? Of course not.
We cannot, in good conscience, lay such a burden on tomorrow's generations of my family. My children are the future. And at the end of the day, isn't it family�my family�that truly matters?
We cannot, in good conscience, lay such a burden on tomorrow's generations of my family. My children are the future. And at the end of the day, isn't it family�my family�that truly matters?
Dominique | 6:36 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
California is the largest user of upstream river water. They are also right next
to the largest body of water in the world, the Pacific Ocean.
Why can't California build desalination plants as other countries that border on oceans or seas? That would give us another supplier of coveted sea salt, and fresh water.
Costly? Perhaps.
Easy? Yup!!!
Long term? Yup!!!
Why can't California build desalination plants as other countries that border on oceans or seas? That would give us another supplier of coveted sea salt, and fresh water.
Costly? Perhaps.
Easy? Yup!!!
Long term? Yup!!!
SLMG | 7:55 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Global Warming is not a fantasy, it is real and happening right before your very
eyes, either you can't see it or just refuse to see it. Both the Arctic and
Antarctic ice selves are melting, Greenland's ice is receeding, a ship can
now be sailed thru the Nothwest Passage for the first time in recorded history,
islands are sinking because the oceans are rising. So you have a had a great
snow fall in Utah this year, congratulations, what about last year and the years
to come? You had better start looking to see what is happening in the WHOLE
world around you not just where you live. Climate change is not a media scare
tatic, lets see what is being said 5 or 10 years from now and what of you
disbelievers have to say, I really would like to hope you are right but I
don't.
anon | 8:47 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
SLMG - Honey, it's the sun. It ain't us. I would love to talk to you
in 5 to 10 years. We ain't gonna be under water, and we ain't gonna
be living in boats.
BBKing | 8:50 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
SLMG,one correction to your post. About two months ago it was widely report,
albeit buried in the print, that the ice shelves grew by a combine 1.2 million
square acres last year alone.
They shrunk some, but now have grown back and then some.
As for the Northwest Passage, that I will look into. I doubt it though, though the beauty of the internet is that finding the answer is not very hard.
Fact, ice shelves are not permanently shrinking. That would be roughly a floating ice berg 50 miles by 50 miles.
Also, a logic test though not as accurate. In 1943 (key when you consider the increase of CO2 release coinciding with industrialization begins early in the 20th century) a squadron of P-38 fighters lands on the ice shelfs of Greenland. They are recovered some 55 years later and are buried under 70 feet of ice. So 70 feet of ice accumulated over the first 55 years. And another 6 feet accumulated from the time of first recovery until three years later, last efforts.
Does this mean anything?
Scientific facts do not support what you are saying. Sorry.
They shrunk some, but now have grown back and then some.
As for the Northwest Passage, that I will look into. I doubt it though, though the beauty of the internet is that finding the answer is not very hard.
Fact, ice shelves are not permanently shrinking. That would be roughly a floating ice berg 50 miles by 50 miles.
Also, a logic test though not as accurate. In 1943 (key when you consider the increase of CO2 release coinciding with industrialization begins early in the 20th century) a squadron of P-38 fighters lands on the ice shelfs of Greenland. They are recovered some 55 years later and are buried under 70 feet of ice. So 70 feet of ice accumulated over the first 55 years. And another 6 feet accumulated from the time of first recovery until three years later, last efforts.
Does this mean anything?
Scientific facts do not support what you are saying. Sorry.
Whew! | 9:47 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Guess that will put the whole drain the lake argument to rest. Glad I
don't have to listen to the argument anymore.
My prediction | 1:20 a.m. Feb. 15, 2008
Right-wing nuts in western states, when the Colorado is less productive in terms
of usuable water and electricity, will use this "emergency" to push
through more damning projects. You need to deny the obvious now so you can make
people support "emergency action" later.
It will be right-wing nuts scarying people in the future into more wasteful descruction of the environment.
It will be right-wing nuts scarying people in the future into more wasteful descruction of the environment.
Anonymous | 4:06 p.m. Feb. 17, 2008
Can we stop blaming this on alarmism from environmentalists and stop fantasizing
about the alleged reactions of "right-wing groups" to allegedly push
through more "damning projects?"
Lake Mead DID come very close to drying up during the last drought cycle, and Lake Powell was at its lowest level in decades.
What does "growing demand" mean? It means increasing immigration, that's what. 82% of US population growth over the next 42 years will be a result of immigration. We will have nearly 450 million people by then and the result will be the sacrifice of all we've come to love.
But we can't mention that. That's politically incorrect. So just blame the problem on developers (who love immigration, btw). Blame it on left-wing enviro wackos. Blame it on right-wing power hungry maniacs with their "damning" projects.
Just don't blame it on mass immigration that's adding 2 million+ people a year to our population, because that's "racist" and "xenophobic" and insensitive - and it's the only thing we can do anything about.
When you take your sponge bath and walk out past your brown lawn to your car to queue up for your 2 hour commute, remember what I said.
Lake Mead DID come very close to drying up during the last drought cycle, and Lake Powell was at its lowest level in decades.
What does "growing demand" mean? It means increasing immigration, that's what. 82% of US population growth over the next 42 years will be a result of immigration. We will have nearly 450 million people by then and the result will be the sacrifice of all we've come to love.
But we can't mention that. That's politically incorrect. So just blame the problem on developers (who love immigration, btw). Blame it on left-wing enviro wackos. Blame it on right-wing power hungry maniacs with their "damning" projects.
Just don't blame it on mass immigration that's adding 2 million+ people a year to our population, because that's "racist" and "xenophobic" and insensitive - and it's the only thing we can do anything about.
When you take your sponge bath and walk out past your brown lawn to your car to queue up for your 2 hour commute, remember what I said.
D | 5:25 p.m. April 17, 2008
Global warming is a hoax? Fine, just wait and see. I think it's real, and
believe me, I'd love to be wrong. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it
over and over for the rest of my life. Will any of you doubters do the same?
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Make signs and taking peoples donations and when Lake Powell does not dry up like they say it might I will retire and build me a beach house and own several acres
of property. I wonder how many people will be dumb enough to fall for it if I include a save the whales fund. I know there are no whales in Lake Powell but all the people who panic and actually believe in this article might fall for it.