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Anonymous | 1:08 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Good grief! What a bunch of controlling, paranoid, state legislators you have
there.
Larry | 1:51 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
It is more like our records show you have 2 Dogs.
Tell them nothing or it comes back to haunt you!
Tell them nothing or it comes back to haunt you!
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Anne | 4:52 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
What do you suppose the world would be like,
if the few -- determined to cram their special homosexual justifications down our throats -- did not exploit the weakness of the DesNews blog policies,
and post 20 times each, as if their numbers were actually larger?
if the few -- determined to cram their special homosexual justifications down our throats -- did not exploit the weakness of the DesNews blog policies,
and post 20 times each, as if their numbers were actually larger?
Stop the deceit... | 6:53 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Isn't it funny that all of gays are up in arms about this bill? If Ralph
Becker's Domestic Partner Registry is "not about gays," as so
many of you are putting it...why are so many of you gays all freaked out about
this?
The reality is...this is COMPLETELY A GAY PLOY TO GET YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR. The fact that Becker has surrounded it with a bunch of red herrings doesn't change all of that!
Mock all you want. Just go push your gay agenda somewhere else. We're sickened by you!
The reality is...this is COMPLETELY A GAY PLOY TO GET YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR. The fact that Becker has surrounded it with a bunch of red herrings doesn't change all of that!
Mock all you want. Just go push your gay agenda somewhere else. We're sickened by you!
Re:Super | 7:26 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Why use "loosely articulated" when "non-applicable",
"makes no sense, I'm just pretending that this would be the case"
or "has no meaning" were really the words you were looking for?
The kind words were appreciated, however. It let me know the mentality of the person posting.
Good luck in life there, super-duper...
The kind words were appreciated, however. It let me know the mentality of the person posting.
Good luck in life there, super-duper...
Dear Anne | 7:26 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Does this registry in any way justify Homosexuality???
As an active member of the local church, married for 21 years, i see it as an affront to the right of a city to carry on business in a way that they see fit, while legistators on bloggers pontificate on morals, pouring gasoline on a small fire.
As an active member of the local church, married for 21 years, i see it as an affront to the right of a city to carry on business in a way that they see fit, while legistators on bloggers pontificate on morals, pouring gasoline on a small fire.
Felix | 7:38 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Does Senator Buttars also consider homosexual registries to be the same as
"This baby is black. It's a dark, ugly thing", ("quoted from
today's Tribune... somehow the DMN missed it).
Yes, Mike, rest assured the Legislators will "certainly pass legislation that sustains traditional families and traditional marriage", and WHITE, Clean legislation.
Yes, Mike, rest assured the Legislators will "certainly pass legislation that sustains traditional families and traditional marriage", and WHITE, Clean legislation.
re:Deceit | 7:35 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
Fair and equal Civil Rights for all citizens.
There it is, no deceit.
That sickens you?
There it is, no deceit.
That sickens you?
Voice of Reason | 9:55 a.m. Feb. 13, 2008
OK . . . I've actually READ the proposed "domestic registry"
ordinance details, and it most certainly is written to favor cohabiting couples
and exclude relatives, children, etc., using code-words such as "domestic
partner," whose common meaning is universally understood. The ordinance is
CLEARLY trying mightily to be an endorsement of non-marital sexual relationships
without actually saying so, since saying so would clearly violate the Utah
Constitution.
The City's feeble claim that this is not intended to be an end-run around the Utah Constitution's limitation of marital benefits to a man and woman is an obvious falsehood.
And anyone who tries to claim that this isn't a camel's nose in the tent for gay marriage is either a) an incurable polyanna, or b) a liar. Doubt me? Ask any gay who supports this "domestic registry" if this is all they ever wanted. There's your answer.
The City's feeble claim that this is not intended to be an end-run around the Utah Constitution's limitation of marital benefits to a man and woman is an obvious falsehood.
And anyone who tries to claim that this isn't a camel's nose in the tent for gay marriage is either a) an incurable polyanna, or b) a liar. Doubt me? Ask any gay who supports this "domestic registry" if this is all they ever wanted. There's your answer.
Anonymous | 6:54 p.m. Feb. 13, 2008
you know, it's funny, my dad spouts same arguments as the far right on this
message board does on this issue. he rants about "what's next, people
marrying dogs?", and "it will erode the family & ruin the sanctity
of marriage". i found it rather ironic- this, coming from the man who
cheated on my mother for 12 years, and rather than spend time with his kids in
the evenings, "worked late" so he could meet up with his mistress. i
thought, if only he would have worried more about HIS actions instead of what 2
consenting same-sex adults were doing with their lives. and because he found it
"morally wrong" he supported an effort to take major rights away from
significant portions of the population- tax paying GAY citizens whose money went
to putting me through public school. The hypocrisy is overwhelming! I urge
each of you who are against this to look inward, and worry more about your OWN
actions, instead of what 2 consenting same sex adults do with their lives, and
the rights that they should have, same as the rest of us.
Voice of Reason | 11:27 a.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Anonymous:
I am sorry for what your dad put you and your family through when you were growing up - no child deserved a father who is so unfaithful to their mother.
That being said, I think it is important to point out that it was your FATHER who was being a hypocrite in his own life, by criticizing the faults of others while ignoring his own. This is NOT proof positive of hypocrisy in EVERYONE ELSE who wisely observe that gay marriage does indeed pose a threat to the moral fabric of society, and does indeed erode the sanctity of the family.
Many people who pay taxes to "put us all through public school" also engage in high-risk behavior that we as a society, and certainly as a government, have no business in encouraging or endorsing. Their taxes obviously don't buy them the right to have their unwise habits endorsed by the government.
I am sorry for what your dad put you and your family through when you were growing up - no child deserved a father who is so unfaithful to their mother.
That being said, I think it is important to point out that it was your FATHER who was being a hypocrite in his own life, by criticizing the faults of others while ignoring his own. This is NOT proof positive of hypocrisy in EVERYONE ELSE who wisely observe that gay marriage does indeed pose a threat to the moral fabric of society, and does indeed erode the sanctity of the family.
Many people who pay taxes to "put us all through public school" also engage in high-risk behavior that we as a society, and certainly as a government, have no business in encouraging or endorsing. Their taxes obviously don't buy them the right to have their unwise habits endorsed by the government.
Reba | 12:05 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Apparently "power of attorney" doesn't exist in Utah.
Ah, but then there would be no argument.
Ah, but then there would be no argument.
Ken | 1:25 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
I didn't get up one morning and decide I'm going to be hetrosexual.
I've always been that way.
My friend told me one day, he had "decided" he was enamoured with another guy. I advised him there were consequences to his decision. I immediately became a bigot in his eyes. Strange, I wasn't before. He's been gone a number of years now, died of AIDS at a very young age. I feel sorry for his wife and children. He was a good friend until he made his decision. He moved, I didn't. I never condemned him, I just told him to carefully consider his decision before he made it. Yes, I'm LDS, one of those labeled bigots on here. Perhaps some of you on here should re-consider your definition of bigot. If flies out of your keyboard a bit too easy. You might be surprised at what you find if you're honest with yourself.
My friend told me one day, he had "decided" he was enamoured with another guy. I advised him there were consequences to his decision. I immediately became a bigot in his eyes. Strange, I wasn't before. He's been gone a number of years now, died of AIDS at a very young age. I feel sorry for his wife and children. He was a good friend until he made his decision. He moved, I didn't. I never condemned him, I just told him to carefully consider his decision before he made it. Yes, I'm LDS, one of those labeled bigots on here. Perhaps some of you on here should re-consider your definition of bigot. If flies out of your keyboard a bit too easy. You might be surprised at what you find if you're honest with yourself.
Anonymous | 4:29 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Voice, although it is nice that you have sympathy, my point is that none of us
are without fault. When you try to deny groups of people, tax paying citizens
of this country, certain rights that the rest of us have, based on their sexual
orientation, there is something wrong. You can not approve of gay's
choices in life all you want, but to deny them legal rights (and I'm
talking about the domestic registry, not marriage), is not right. I think the
gay community does not want "special" rights, just the same rights as
other adults have.
Voice of Reason | 5:46 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
The problem, Anon, is that everyone knows the big change in SLC's Domestic
Registry is giving gays marriage-like legal rights. That is the real goal here,
make no mistake. If it was TRULY neutral on the subject of sexual
relationships, it would allow any adult to designate any other adult for health
benefits. Period. But the ordinance goes to great lengths to specifically
describe and include people who are clearly sexually involved but not married.
They ALSO add family members, but it is still exclusionary of many adults (i.e.
non-relatives) and, worst of all, explicitly identifies non-married cohabiting
adults as deserving of special, exclusionary rights, and implicitly includes gay
cohabiting adults.
That is simply wrong, and extremely bad for society.
That is simply wrong, and extremely bad for society.
Anonymous | 11:55 p.m. Feb. 14, 2008
Voice,
first, let me say that it is truly refreshing to have a real dialogue about this rather than the name calling and fighting that i see so much on these message boards.
at this time though, there are thousands (millions?) of committed gay relationships that are in existence right now, and i truly don't see how they are having a negative impact on society. people just want to live their lives with as much happiness as they can.
perhaps the best we can do at this point is to agree to disagree - and time will tell how this will all turn out.
first, let me say that it is truly refreshing to have a real dialogue about this rather than the name calling and fighting that i see so much on these message boards.
at this time though, there are thousands (millions?) of committed gay relationships that are in existence right now, and i truly don't see how they are having a negative impact on society. people just want to live their lives with as much happiness as they can.
perhaps the best we can do at this point is to agree to disagree - and time will tell how this will all turn out.
Leon | 7:48 a.m. Feb. 15, 2008
Hey maybe registering them is a good idea. Then we'd know where they are
and just how many there are. Oh, and let them pay premium rates on any insurance
because of their risky lifestyle. Only fair.
Voice of Reason | 4:09 p.m. Feb. 15, 2008
Anon,
And thank you for not going down that road of villification and hot-button name-calling as well.
Clearly, there are very strong feelings on both sides of this issue . . . as is the case with most issues that aim at the heart of the family and sexuality. I think that's because most people understand that our nation, any nation, is only as good as its families and individual homes, and any nation will closely reflect what goes on inside the walls of its homes and families.
And thank you for not going down that road of villification and hot-button name-calling as well.
Clearly, there are very strong feelings on both sides of this issue . . . as is the case with most issues that aim at the heart of the family and sexuality. I think that's because most people understand that our nation, any nation, is only as good as its families and individual homes, and any nation will closely reflect what goes on inside the walls of its homes and families.
2 quick clarifications | 3:09 p.m. Feb. 16, 2008
1. Gays have exactly the same rights as straights.
2. Less than 20% of marriages end in divorce.
Anything you hear that contradicts those 2 statements is blatant, misleading propaganda that is spread primarily by America/family/God haters who put desires of the flesh before anything else.
2. Less than 20% of marriages end in divorce.
Anything you hear that contradicts those 2 statements is blatant, misleading propaganda that is spread primarily by America/family/God haters who put desires of the flesh before anything else.
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I notice you didn't criticize the AmJur article though. That's probably because it basically says the same thing the case does in dicta by substituting the case's word "moral" for "public policy."
Had I known I was being judged by an appellate court's standards I would have added a big "YOU SUCK" at the end of my last post. I'm surprised you didn't bluebook my citation too. Lighten up, seriously.