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Bill intended to stop domestic partner registry passed by Senate committee
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Brendon Olsen | 11:27 a.m. Feb. 11, 2008
This is riddiculous why cant everyone have the same benefits Marriage is nothing
to do with religion after all the law says state and church to be seperate. We
all Bleed red people and it shouldnt matter on who we love as long as we are in
love!! Why cant we all have the same benefits and why cant buttars keep his nose
in his own room and out of others?
carlo caroli | 11:56 a.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Utah, is still living 100 yrs, behind the rest of the western world. Feel sorry
for the good and decent open minded people that have to make a living in the
state. Incredible, that in the year 2008, there still is so much discrimination
in parts of the USA. Shame, shame, shame.
K Pope Domestic Partner | 11:55 a.m. Feb. 11, 2008
I think it's ridiculous that there are so many homophobic people in this
state, and that any sign of equality for domestic partners must be a conspiracy
to undermine the ridiculous statute of a heterosexual marriage. Domestic Parters
and gays, pay the same state taxes as any non-gay singles, the same sales tax,
harsher income tax with limited deductions due to taking turns in claiming home
interest and dependants, and suffer lack of visitation rights over our partners
and children in instances of emergency medical care. Not to mention lack of
medical coverage and special FAMILY discounts! Medical coverage is expensive as
a family, and unaffordable as an individual! Which is what we're limited to
because of ignorance. The list goes on of privileges over looked by the typical
"married" couple, who really deserve no special treatment over gays
and domestic partners! Way to go Utah you have thoroughly disappointed me and
the rest of human rights advocates yet again!
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Sokol | 11:56 a.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Please...this is sometimes all about defrauding people. How is the government
going to prove that
the 'couple' actually has a relationship? Anyone,
anything, any person, animal, plant or otherwise can
say they have a relationship than reap the benefits.
I think the saddest and most troubling sight that I have seen in many years was a little girl, somewhere between 9 and 10, so embarassed to be with her two momss. She knows she has a less than novelty set of parents. Her discomfort, angst and emotional turmoil should be taken into account.
The so called politically correct pundits are
WRONG. We a society should have boundaries and
clear designations. We should also ensure that
our children are even protected from such septic
circustances.
Keep fighting to protect some people from turning society upside down for the benefit of no one, but their own selfish interests.
the 'couple' actually has a relationship? Anyone,
anything, any person, animal, plant or otherwise can
say they have a relationship than reap the benefits.
I think the saddest and most troubling sight that I have seen in many years was a little girl, somewhere between 9 and 10, so embarassed to be with her two momss. She knows she has a less than novelty set of parents. Her discomfort, angst and emotional turmoil should be taken into account.
The so called politically correct pundits are
WRONG. We a society should have boundaries and
clear designations. We should also ensure that
our children are even protected from such septic
circustances.
Keep fighting to protect some people from turning society upside down for the benefit of no one, but their own selfish interests.
Anonymous | 12:08 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
If you pass it, does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell? The fall of Rome???
Utah Resident | 12:07 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Proof positive who's in charge of our theocratic Churchislature. Spread
the word, tell the world what happens when a certain religious majority rules a
one-party state with an iron fist.
SLC Resident | 12:19 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
This is about the wishes of the majority of SLC--something that apparently
doesn't matter to the non-diverse, one-party legislature.
Briebaby08 | 12:26 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
I was present at the committee meeting. I listened to Senator Buttars state
that the insurance benefits that the Salt Lake City Corporation's Adult
Designee program have are available to everyone in the state. I remember Salt
Lake County employees getting voted down for such a program just last year. The
program in Salt Lake is unique and extremely important. It isn't a
"gay rights" issue, it is an issue of having the government make laws
dictating who is and who isn't a family. Where does it stop? I am NOT
gay, but have am a single mom, living with my mother as well. Because we
don't fit into Senator Buttars mold, does that mean we aren't family?
What it all boils down to is that the homophobic Senator Buttars is trying to
scare everyone by making it out that this is only about the gay couples getting
status. Wake up and smell the coffee brewing (or spiced cider brewing)people.
The standard family of this time is not the same as the standard family of 20
years ago. Does that make everyone not in a married (man & woman)
relationship bad? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stenar | 12:33 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Buttars needs to be voted out of office. Who votes for this neanderthal?
Skeletons | 12:34 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Someone ought to check Buttars' closets for skeletons. He is so overly
paranoid about what he considers moral issues that it makes one wonder exactly
what he is covering up with his big facade.
He would do a lot more good for this state if he concentrated the same passion and effort on issues that really are more important - instead of trying to FORCE the entire state into aligning with his beliefs.
He would do a lot more good for this state if he concentrated the same passion and effort on issues that really are more important - instead of trying to FORCE the entire state into aligning with his beliefs.
Blake | 12:40 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Senator Buttars is a hateful man who delights in picking on the minority in this
state.
uncannygunman | 1:05 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
It's nice to know that there is at least one portion of the constitution
that the legislature is concerned about respecting.
Societal boundaries | 1:09 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
"Thou shall not kill." Not "Not allowing two people who love each
other basic rights as caregivers who make responsible choices in wanting to
raise families."
Sokol: Defrauding people? Look no further than the homophobes in suits on Capitol Hill who are doing the defrauding. At taxpayer expense. And I'm curious to know how you have such intimate knowledge of _how_ that little girl feels.
What an embarrassment, indeed. Think about it.
Sokol: Defrauding people? Look no further than the homophobes in suits on Capitol Hill who are doing the defrauding. At taxpayer expense. And I'm curious to know how you have such intimate knowledge of _how_ that little girl feels.
What an embarrassment, indeed. Think about it.
Jason | 1:17 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Sokol you make me sick! It's people like you that hide your homophobia and
bigotry behind legalize. I pay my taxes and contribute to this community just
like you and how dare you try to tell me that I'm not entitled to the same
rights as you because whom I choose to love is immoral to you. Get over yourself
and keep your piety to yourself! K Pope and the rest hit the nail on the head on
this issue! When will Utah grow up and people like Sokol stop being so
sanctimonius!
To Skeletons.... | 1:22 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
I have wondered that myself. Anyone so determined to judge other people must be
awfully flawed themselves.
As an agnostic, it's people like Chris Buttars that make me doubt there could be a God.
As an agnostic, it's people like Chris Buttars that make me doubt there could be a God.
Pathetic argument | 1:26 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
The queer community likes to call those of us who don't approve of their
lifestyle "homophobic," as though we fear them. A phobia is defined as
an uncontrollable, irrational, and persistent fear of a specific object,
situation, or activity.
Maybe K Pope thinks that with the right medication, the homophobes could be cured.
A cure for the homosexuals would make more sense.
Maybe K Pope thinks that with the right medication, the homophobes could be cured.
A cure for the homosexuals would make more sense.
hate the sin, not the sinner | 1:41 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
I think we should extend the same benefits to polygamists as well. After all,
they're just practicing their religion.
For that matter, what about people that like sheep? Let's be all inclusive and include them as well. And pedophiles too -- they can't help it if they like little kids, they were just born that way. What's wrong with that?
For that matter, what about people that like sheep? Let's be all inclusive and include them as well. And pedophiles too -- they can't help it if they like little kids, they were just born that way. What's wrong with that?
Dirk | 1:40 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Yes K Pope, actions do have consequences! Thanks for enumerating the
consequences you've brought on yourself because of the decisions
you've made.
WestValleyCity | 1:49 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Talk about an "Agenda", Chris Buttars is out to continue Utah's
backwards policy's and thwart any signs of progress by keeping Utah wrapped
tight in a hand-stitched quilt of oppression and bigotry.
Anonymous | 2:11 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
You are so right. Utah is so backward. The numbers of states who have passed
similar statutes concerning marriage out number those that except domestic
partnerships by more then double. States from east to west have protected the
�sanctity of marriage� not just Utah.
I don�t know what is legally right or wrong or what is
fair. But if you want to call Utah backward then go ahead,
it�s just unfounded. I lived in Oregon the last 10 years,
the least religious state in the USA, and they passed a Sanctity of Marriage
law. This is an issue that needs to be resolved for the good of all people. But
states that have very little LDS influence have passed similar laws and are far
more determined. President Hinckley�s funeral was protested
by a group who thought he had been far too lenient in the churches gay policies.
The LDS church is actually very moderate with such issues compared to most
Christianity. Changes in the law are swinging your way. 20 years ago when I was
still in school it was still �legal�
to gay bash. Change will happen.
to the hate-poster and to Sokol | 2:18 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Glad you have a clear idea of what you need to hate....
but there is a huge difference between who two consenting adults love, and children (or animals, or whatever absurd strawman argument you throw out to defend bigotry).
Do you all realize that at the U, 80% of the people who take advantage of the domestic registry are NOT lovers/partners? They are adult (infirm) parents, older relatives, etc. who are allowed to sign on for the benefits afforded to ALL OTHER households who happen to have a married person in them.
Are you going to be the one to kick someone's 70 year old mother off her health care that an adult (single) child works for and contributes premiums?
and Sokol: you are talking about fraud? It is clear you don't even read what you are arguing about because a domestic registry PREVENTS FRAUD, by clearly identifying domestic partners.
no one just gets to "say" whatever they want.
That is the whole point of the city's action. Please, inform yourself before you speak next time.
but there is a huge difference between who two consenting adults love, and children (or animals, or whatever absurd strawman argument you throw out to defend bigotry).
Do you all realize that at the U, 80% of the people who take advantage of the domestic registry are NOT lovers/partners? They are adult (infirm) parents, older relatives, etc. who are allowed to sign on for the benefits afforded to ALL OTHER households who happen to have a married person in them.
Are you going to be the one to kick someone's 70 year old mother off her health care that an adult (single) child works for and contributes premiums?
and Sokol: you are talking about fraud? It is clear you don't even read what you are arguing about because a domestic registry PREVENTS FRAUD, by clearly identifying domestic partners.
no one just gets to "say" whatever they want.
That is the whole point of the city's action. Please, inform yourself before you speak next time.
Anonymous | 2:30 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
To: to the hate-poster and to Sokol | 2:18 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
You did not address the polygamy? Why it should be included in the registry. It would be a benefit to Utah as a society if the wives of one man could all be on his insurance. It would prevent the need for welfare for them.
You did not address the polygamy? Why it should be included in the registry. It would be a benefit to Utah as a society if the wives of one man could all be on his insurance. It would prevent the need for welfare for them.
inform yourself | 2:56 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
TO:to the hate-poster and to Sokol
Please, inform yourself before you speak next time.
Please, inform yourself before you speak next time.
Henry Drummond | 3:11 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
**sigh**
I think it is too bad that the Republican Right Wing seems to have made stopping any kind of legislation that might benefit homosexuals such a priority that they are literally willing to create hardship for everyone else. I'm sure anyone who votes against this will be considered to be backing the "gay agenda" if they don't go along with this.
The good news is more and more Republicans seems to be willing to stand up against this group. It will be a real test to see if Governor Huntsman has the courage to come out against this bill or if he will try to do what he did on the voucher debate and be on both sides of the issue.
I think it is too bad that the Republican Right Wing seems to have made stopping any kind of legislation that might benefit homosexuals such a priority that they are literally willing to create hardship for everyone else. I'm sure anyone who votes against this will be considered to be backing the "gay agenda" if they don't go along with this.
The good news is more and more Republicans seems to be willing to stand up against this group. It will be a real test to see if Governor Huntsman has the courage to come out against this bill or if he will try to do what he did on the voucher debate and be on both sides of the issue.
RangerGordon | 3:13 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
The ordinance would actually help prevent the kind of insurance fraud the
homophobes are all up in arms about. It helps businesses that wish to provide
domestic-partner benefits to do so--that's all. It helps businesses.
Since the rest of the state gets to tell Salt Lake City how to run our business, when do we get a chance to overrule West Jordan or Sandy? I've got some really good ideas for the 'burbs, and I'm sure I know how they should run things better than they do.
Since the rest of the state gets to tell Salt Lake City how to run our business, when do we get a chance to overrule West Jordan or Sandy? I've got some really good ideas for the 'burbs, and I'm sure I know how they should run things better than they do.
Sokol | 3:22 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
First of all I have eyes, I can see. There are many
nonverbal cues. While you want to call reputable people homophobic, I do have an opinion, I do not feel children should be placed in such a repulsive
situation. Informed: what statitistics, independent studies, do you have that will confirm that a child is not in a more stable, loving, nurturing environment with the influence of both a male and a female.
Utah, Salt Lake City is right in defeating any measure to promote people posing as a couple. Married
men and women with legal documentation should be the
only relationship honored. 'Wait, if I have an all
important relationship with two, three, five women,
why wouldn't that quality as a 'DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP."
What if I were friendly with my sheep in the backyard? They would be my domestic partners too.
Let's protect children and taxpayers from politically correct Sodom and Gamorons, flaunting
their repulsive lifestyle.
nonverbal cues. While you want to call reputable people homophobic, I do have an opinion, I do not feel children should be placed in such a repulsive
situation. Informed: what statitistics, independent studies, do you have that will confirm that a child is not in a more stable, loving, nurturing environment with the influence of both a male and a female.
Utah, Salt Lake City is right in defeating any measure to promote people posing as a couple. Married
men and women with legal documentation should be the
only relationship honored. 'Wait, if I have an all
important relationship with two, three, five women,
why wouldn't that quality as a 'DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP."
What if I were friendly with my sheep in the backyard? They would be my domestic partners too.
Let's protect children and taxpayers from politically correct Sodom and Gamorons, flaunting
their repulsive lifestyle.
SLC Resident | 3:22 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
The fact remains, gay people are tax-paying American citizens and do not have
the right to legal protections for themselves and their partner due to the
passage of anti-gay amendments like the one hoisted upon those in this state.
Now this. When will the bigotry and hatred ever stop?
Thank you | 3:34 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Thank you Anonymous's post on 2:11 pm. This issue is not so much religious
based as people made it out to be. I agree that in other states, they are
protecting the traditional family for the sake of future generations. Please
stop bashing on Buttars and look at big picture - imagine what long term effects
it will have on our society if the definition of family was broaden. What loop
holes will people look for to advance their own agendas? If we do not hold firm
to everything of great value that were passed down from our parents and
grandparents, our society as a whole will be in trouble. I am not consciously
trying to offend others that have strong feelings contrary to Chris Buttars, but
for the greater good of our society (not just Utah), I'm willing to stand
by Sen. Chris Buttars on this issue.
Lionle Hutz | 3:32 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Uh, the state constitution forbids it.
FaithNoMo | 3:42 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
I can't believe how hateful Buttars is. I would be ashamed and embarrassed
if he were my relative. What a bigot!
Johny Fairplay | 3:40 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Wow Sokol, so you can determine the thoughts of a 10 year old girl just by
looking at them. And I thought I was special because I could tell you're a
bigot just by reading your verbal pabulum.
To Everyone | 3:41 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Hospitals should deal with their own visitor lists, not the government.
There is so much gov. help for other forms of families (single moms, etc.) that saying this registry helps them is silly.
Study after study by liberals and conservatives have shown that a society is strongest when the family consisting of one man and one woman devoted to each other and their children is prevalent.
Someone who believes that homosexuality is wrong isn't a homophobe nor a bigot. Intolerant people scream about intolerance, eh? Others have a right to believe also.
We should treat each other with respect. But as a society that cares for its future existence, we can not unite to support the homosexual lifestyle. If an individual wishes to particpate in such a lifestyle, that is one's choice, but don't force us all to support it.
Some may scream that they have to support the heterosexual lifestyle. But when one looks at the big picture, one may conclude that these studies and history have revealed that a society is as strong as the family with a mom and a dad is strong. Therefore, we should unite to support that simple unit for the survival of all
There is so much gov. help for other forms of families (single moms, etc.) that saying this registry helps them is silly.
Study after study by liberals and conservatives have shown that a society is strongest when the family consisting of one man and one woman devoted to each other and their children is prevalent.
Someone who believes that homosexuality is wrong isn't a homophobe nor a bigot. Intolerant people scream about intolerance, eh? Others have a right to believe also.
We should treat each other with respect. But as a society that cares for its future existence, we can not unite to support the homosexual lifestyle. If an individual wishes to particpate in such a lifestyle, that is one's choice, but don't force us all to support it.
Some may scream that they have to support the heterosexual lifestyle. But when one looks at the big picture, one may conclude that these studies and history have revealed that a society is as strong as the family with a mom and a dad is strong. Therefore, we should unite to support that simple unit for the survival of all
Oxymoron | 3:53 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Pathetic Argument: how can you actually believe what you have written? Cure
homosexuals, indeed. While we are at it, why don't we just all pop a pill
every morning that makes us exactly like you? You've got quite the
superiority complex. Spoken like a true christian, I'm sure.
Sokol: Where do you get off? Repulsive? Just because something is repulsive to you does not make it wrong. I find garbage repulsive and am not too fond of the smell of garbagemen, but I don't think they should be voted off the planet.
The biggest irony to me (and I am a straight LDS male) is how the Mormons love to cry "values" when it comes to gays so that they can fit into a conservatie party that hates them, when our very past is "repulsive" to almost everyone I've ever met. Polygamy freaks people out. And it's a part of who we are. So here we are picketting against our neighbors' rights with our right hand, while our left hand so callously closes the closet door on our own past skeletons. It's time we become more accepting of other people's choices, or we have no argument to be accepted ourselves.
Sokol: Where do you get off? Repulsive? Just because something is repulsive to you does not make it wrong. I find garbage repulsive and am not too fond of the smell of garbagemen, but I don't think they should be voted off the planet.
The biggest irony to me (and I am a straight LDS male) is how the Mormons love to cry "values" when it comes to gays so that they can fit into a conservatie party that hates them, when our very past is "repulsive" to almost everyone I've ever met. Polygamy freaks people out. And it's a part of who we are. So here we are picketting against our neighbors' rights with our right hand, while our left hand so callously closes the closet door on our own past skeletons. It's time we become more accepting of other people's choices, or we have no argument to be accepted ourselves.
Mike | 3:53 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
A lot of posters seem to be twisting the facts to show that the gay community
are the victims. That is absurd. Everyone has moral agency to make his own
choices; however, the consequences of making a choice cannot be escaped.
Demanding that everyone outside your group change so that you can feel
"comfortable" is both childish and demeaning to yourselves.
There are absolutes in nature and in society. Whether you believe in the law of gravity or whether you believe that you're exempt from that law, the consequence of jumping off a building is that you're going to fall. That law is absolute within the sphere in which it has been placed.
The family is the most basic unit of society. It is the unit where a man and a woman are allowed to marry and then held accountable to teach children correct principles and to give those children a proper and correct example.
To corrupt children by counterfeiting family and marriage so that you can feel good about your same-sex "marriage" destroys everyone involved.
There are absolutes in nature and in society. Whether you believe in the law of gravity or whether you believe that you're exempt from that law, the consequence of jumping off a building is that you're going to fall. That law is absolute within the sphere in which it has been placed.
The family is the most basic unit of society. It is the unit where a man and a woman are allowed to marry and then held accountable to teach children correct principles and to give those children a proper and correct example.
To corrupt children by counterfeiting family and marriage so that you can feel good about your same-sex "marriage" destroys everyone involved.
Re to everyone | 3:54 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
I like what you offer, but it's fundamentally flawed. You say that our
society is strongest with a mom and dad present. I'll agree.
But why cherrypick your enemies? There are a lot of divorced people out there. Why not stone them? There are a lot of people who had children out of wedlock. Why not lock them up? There are a lot of unmarrieds out there (who feel guilty enough about it as it is). Why not publicly humiliate them some more? And that's not even to mention the unspeakable evils of impotence, widows and widowers, etc.
So why the gays? If all you care about is "future existence" then you've got many groups with which to pick a bone. It's not as easy as you may have first assumed. So while I agree that the ideal is for a family with a mother and a father, the reality is that it doesn't always work out that way. So rather than target one of the many groups that goes against perfection, I believe our time would be better spent loving these people around us and ensuring their children are vicariously cared for appropriately. Wouldn't you agree?
But why cherrypick your enemies? There are a lot of divorced people out there. Why not stone them? There are a lot of people who had children out of wedlock. Why not lock them up? There are a lot of unmarrieds out there (who feel guilty enough about it as it is). Why not publicly humiliate them some more? And that's not even to mention the unspeakable evils of impotence, widows and widowers, etc.
So why the gays? If all you care about is "future existence" then you've got many groups with which to pick a bone. It's not as easy as you may have first assumed. So while I agree that the ideal is for a family with a mother and a father, the reality is that it doesn't always work out that way. So rather than target one of the many groups that goes against perfection, I believe our time would be better spent loving these people around us and ensuring their children are vicariously cared for appropriately. Wouldn't you agree?
MY SLC | 3:55 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
This is a sad situation. This affects a lot of people and not just gays. For
what it is worth
I a RM from way back in 1974 and no! I am not going to "leave the state and let the door hit me in the a**". This is my home as much as it is yours. My partner and I have been together since the 1990's and are committed to each other.
We also pay more than our share of taxes and are home/property owners thankfully in downtown SLC!"
SLC wants this! Let it go people
I a RM from way back in 1974 and no! I am not going to "leave the state and let the door hit me in the a**". This is my home as much as it is yours. My partner and I have been together since the 1990's and are committed to each other.
We also pay more than our share of taxes and are home/property owners thankfully in downtown SLC!"
SLC wants this! Let it go people
Utah Resident | 3:58 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
To Everyone--Religion is a choice, and if an individual wishes to participate in
such a lifestyle, that is their choice, and those of other religious beliefs
should not be forced to support it.
Anonymous | 3:59 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
People like Buttars are the reason I left the LDS church. Why would I want to
spend my Sundays with bigots and hate-mongers?
Oh my | 4:00 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
If you dont like the law, move. No one is forcing you to stay in Utah.
Survival? | 4:15 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Am I to understand, "To Everyone" that giving marriage-like, legal
protections to gays would jeopardize the survival of our society? Are you
saying that society will cease to exist unless we prevent the homosexuals from
equal treatment? How can a segment of the society that amounts to roughly 10%
of the population cause such extinction? Does that mean that the 90% has no
power whatsoever over their own futures? It flies in the face of reason.
I guess I can't see the harm of allowing a few domestic partnerships a few meager rights. I definitely can't see how it would put our "existence" in jeopardy!
I guess I can't see the harm of allowing a few domestic partnerships a few meager rights. I definitely can't see how it would put our "existence" in jeopardy!
RSB | 4:16 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Homosexuals want to have all the rights of a normal marriage, They want
acceptance. However, because of my religious beliefs, I will fight any
progression of rights in the legal sphere every step of the way. This is
different than how I will treat a person when I meet them individually.
Keep fighting, I will even if my views become progressively unpopular. And remember, this is to both homosexuals and heterosexuals, marriage is not and should never be based on sexual fulfillment. That is ancillary to child-bearing.
Keep fighting, I will even if my views become progressively unpopular. And remember, this is to both homosexuals and heterosexuals, marriage is not and should never be based on sexual fulfillment. That is ancillary to child-bearing.
Randall | 4:26 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
The foundation of marraige is love, mutual respect and putting your spouse ahead
of you. Married people should not be "scared" by this offering to
other domestic relationships. A strong marraige is not based on benefits from
laws but on a committed, loving and faithful relationship. Let's stop
using politically charged words to galvanize people against something that is
genuinely good for the general welfare of society.
russ | 4:29 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
OK. Let's play pretend. Pretend for a moment that gays and lesbians
decide to produce a registry of marriages, conducted by the Metropolitan Church
of Denver. Using the freedom granted by the Constitution they buy an ad in the
DN to announce who is on the registry.
Would the DN accept the ad? Paid for. Announcement of a registry.
Would the Trib? Why or why not?
Pretending is so interesting.
Would the DN accept the ad? Paid for. Announcement of a registry.
Would the Trib? Why or why not?
Pretending is so interesting.
Cali gay | 4:30 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Why even bother trying to change the mind of homo-haters. It seldom works. Their
god of love told them they must hate and so they hate, never bothering to think
if they are hurting someone. Fortunately, they are a dying breed, dinosaurs
whose time is nearly up. Yes, more states put stupid "gay marriage"
bans in their constitutions than states that offer some kind of recognition to
their gay, tax-paying citizens. So what, in a generation most of those
amendments will have been repealed, or better yet ruled unconstitutional so it
will all have been for naught. The world changes every day, and you can either
adapt and survive or you can cling with all your might to the old ways and
slowly fade away.
Gay relationships will always exist, whether within or without a legal framework doesn't matter. You cannot ban love, but you go ahead and try. Just don't come crying to us when you receive the bitter fruits of your labors.
Gay relationships will always exist, whether within or without a legal framework doesn't matter. You cannot ban love, but you go ahead and try. Just don't come crying to us when you receive the bitter fruits of your labors.
shadow | 4:36 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
What ever happened to live and let live? You just know that the day will come
when some high randing Mormon will be outed. Oh yeah, the day will come. And
then what? Debates about biology?
Or will the gang form up and pick up the rocks? I vote it will be the rocks. Definitely.
The Shadow Knows.
Or will the gang form up and pick up the rocks? I vote it will be the rocks. Definitely.
The Shadow Knows.
Taxed Citizens | 4:32 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Yes, homosexuals are taxed citizens. In fairness, perhaps they have the right
to that which other people have as far as health care benefits or other
financial and tax benefits.
However, when it comes to the rights of other people, perhaps their rights end. What I mean is that a homosexual household is not the best circumstance for children to be raised in. Their are many negatives to being raised in such a home; perhaps the most obvious is the way other children will treat the children in that home.
However, when it comes to the rights of other people, perhaps their rights end. What I mean is that a homosexual household is not the best circumstance for children to be raised in. Their are many negatives to being raised in such a home; perhaps the most obvious is the way other children will treat the children in that home.
Anonymous | 4:41 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
reading all these posts I hear more hate and intolerance from the liberals and
homosexuals than I do the others.
Anonymous | 4:45 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Ah yes, just what Jesus would do! Hate thine enemies and tell them to just get
out. "This is our State and we have the power. If you disagree,
there's no place for you. We're right and you're wrong!
Begone!"
re:hate the sin, not the sinner | 4:50 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
Consenting adults...
What's the problem???
If two 50 year old males with Doctorates from BYU decide to fall in love and have a committed relationship, who are we to say no, but two 18 year olds without jobs can get hitched everyday.
And yes, when you fear something, you have a phobia, like being afraid of gays IS homophobia. Get over it.
I was discussing this with my father, and he felt that gays were "recruiting" kids, and allowing them to see gay couples would make them feel OK.
I aked him how much recruiting would it take to make him GAY?
He said "They Couldn't".
I said "Me neither, so what's the problem"?
___________________________________________________
Sooo: "Hate the sin" and "Sokol", how much recruiting would it take to make you "GAY"?
Is that the problem?
What's the problem???
If two 50 year old males with Doctorates from BYU decide to fall in love and have a committed relationship, who are we to say no, but two 18 year olds without jobs can get hitched everyday.
And yes, when you fear something, you have a phobia, like being afraid of gays IS homophobia. Get over it.
I was discussing this with my father, and he felt that gays were "recruiting" kids, and allowing them to see gay couples would make them feel OK.
I aked him how much recruiting would it take to make him GAY?
He said "They Couldn't".
I said "Me neither, so what's the problem"?
___________________________________________________
Sooo: "Hate the sin" and "Sokol", how much recruiting would it take to make you "GAY"?
Is that the problem?
Utah Resident | 4:53 p.m. Feb. 11, 2008
RSB-I agree, marriage should not be based upon sexual fulfillment. It should be
based on care, mutal respect and most importantly, LOVE. Nor should it be based
on the premise of child bearing and rearing, if it were, there would be a whole
lot of invalid marriages due to sterility, impotence and age, to name a few.
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