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Hard lessons for LDS Church from Romney's presidential campaign
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Mitt Romney represents liberalism. The Church represents Truth Restored.
Hmmmmmmmmm. No wonder the rest of the world rejected Mitt. I guess not enough money and time was spent on pouring oil on the raging waters. Was that tithing money? Well spent? Money for the poor? For the farm system? For scholarships for the Y?
Ah mitt, yah really let them down. But they tried to help yah. Love hypocracy, just love it.
And like " Paper Boy " wisely opined, when you go out and tell everyone that your religion is right because God told you so, expect some flack.
Sorry, it was not the church that lost but Romney the man. I am not LDS btw.
We need to BE taller, BE more faithful, BE more obedient. We need to BE better, then the Lord will bless our nation.
They obviously fear something that the LDS faith has that they don't possess. Hmmm, I wonder what that could be?
Afterall that is what religion is--what man wants--right? The sooner we eradicate how God actually asked us to conduct our lives and switch to what is easier and more convenient for everyone the less "tension" we will all have. That is what Christ was after when He was here on earth--adjusting His doctrines to what was mainstream and easy for people to do. Yes I am sure of it--that is exactly how He ended up on the cross--amelioration of His doctines.
PLEASE!!!!!
I think LDS get a bit too critical of others and sometimes condemn the non-members and our in-active brothers and sisters. We need to be gentler and not place ourselves above the rest of the world. We are no better than the next guy if we are full of hate and displaying such to others. It�s time to change our look and do what God would have us do. Hateful vengeful actions will only keep us out of the highest kingdom. As it looks not many of are going to obtain this glory. If we don�t change we can�t expect to dwell with the righteous in the hereafter.
Perhaps Mitt will run again. Don�t give up on him just yet.
The church that we are discussing here ALWAYS puts the fault on the member. NEVER the church/leaders. Always the member. If you don't feel the spirit, YOU are doing something wrong. You're either not fulfilling your 'calling' well enough, or you don't have enough 'faith', or you're not praying hard enough or some such nonsense.
Mitt Romney didn't make it because of other reasons. God had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
I agree with you as well. You are absolutely correct in what you say. Good thinking. Perhaps some eyes will be opened.
I agree with you also that it was for other reasons that Mitt didn't make it.
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Although I think Paperboy's worn-out assertion that our problems are all because of the evil bogeyman of "organized religion," sadly he may be right about one thing -- perhaps it's because our missionaries are out knocking on doors, which irritates people like paperboy.
The onslaught of biogtry and prejudice that resulted from Romney's campaign was as Robert Millet noted in the article, a bit of "wake up call."
I'm grateful to be a member. I love the Church.
A relevant reminder:
"These things I command you, that ye love one another.
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." -John 15:17-19
We are ALL Americans and should treat each other with respect. Evaluate facts. Look at voting records. Listen to a candidates ideas. Pick someone who can be trusted in all aspects of life. Talk is easy and cheap...let's see who has the ability to walk with their talk.
I don't think there has been any unofficial ground work for Mitt done by the local brethren, but there certainly is an expectation that we "get involved".
In short, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. When Mitt gets 90% plus of the LDS vote (most of it ONLY because he is LDS), LDS shouldn't be shocked when others use that as ONE reason to vote against him.
I am not surprised or troubled that there are still Pharisees and Sadducees, people who are happy with their own man made description of Christ, out there in the big wide world. At least the Latter Day Saints worship the Christ who is found in the New Testament.
"Mitt Romney isn't the only casualty in his failed presidential bid. The Mormon church, yearning for broad acceptance, also took a beating."
The church didn't take "a beating" The church's message is out there more vigorously.
I think for many people it has become more de-mystified.
"Mormon officials started traveling the country, speaking with reporters and editorial writers about the LDS church and its political neutrality.
The goal was to protect the church. But nonpartisanship handicapped the denomination when it needed a vigorous defense"
Ok, I really disagree with this. First off I doubt that the goal was to "protect the church" unless they mean new converts who could be harmed by this. The goal in all of this is to educate, share the gospel, and open doors for the missionaries.
2nd- the point about non-partisanship handicapping the church I totally disagree with. If it hurt anyone it possibly hurt Romney's campaign vs. Huckabee's who almost openly campaigned in churches. I think most people are pleased and surprised to see a devout religion that many associated with Evangelicals-NOT openly endorsing candidate.
The process did smoke out the religious bigots on both the left and right. Mormons need to be "wise as serpents" when dealing with the liberal media as much as with the Southern Baptist Convention. At the same time, every Mormon knows a convert whose first introduction to the Church was this kind of virulent attack. The Church continues to grow.
Every Mormon on the Internet has an opportunity to make sure that "the truth is out there" so the lies aren't unrebutted. We can direct people to mormon.org and lds.org and fairlds.org. We can quote the Book of Mormon so people taste its Christ-centered goodness.
Maybe we could all consider another factor here. Our differences need not be as big as you think. If we all are God fearing people, we should just worry about being the best we can. Stop worrying about finding fault in others. Worry about your own sin. You that have made such hateful remarks about the LDS church are no better than those that you have accused (the mormons) of being. So my point is try the Christ-Like view and by your example be what you would want others to be. That's all you have the right to do anyway. That Golden Rule....... Do Unto Others... As Ye Would Want them to treat you.
It's OK to disagree but not to judge.
I may vote democrat for the first time in my life because I am appalled that the Republican party who I have supported all my voting life has shown bigotry and lack of compassion to its greatest supporters. I feel like the US has turned back the time to the 1830's when it was legal to kill a Mormon and steal their property. I seriously feel betrayed to the point that by voting democrat I will be making a statement that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sorry that is how I feel.
The Baptists and the Evangelicals were very Christ-like in their approach and acceptance of Romney and the LDS who joined their efforts. Some definite good has come from the campaign.
Another entertaining thing I recently learned. On a nationally recognized radio show, they spoke of Huckabee's supporters as being "mainstream Christian's." They (the polsters) asked many of his voters what he meant by the smooth stone plucked from a dry riverbed, that not all the riches and gold in the world is greater than the widows mite, that with the little he had he was able to feed many with just a few loaves of bread and fish, they (the supporters) had no freaking clue as to what he meant. Furthermore, they couldn't tell what story from the Bible he was using! I bet the LDS voters could!
what an odd statement to make about Mitt dropping out of the race...so along your line of weird thinking...President Hinckley would still be alive and well today if only the membership of the church had...more faith and more obedience and more trust in the lord...he would still be alive?....get a life dude, learn to seperate fact from wishful thinking.
Since I have been a member of the LDS church I have been shunned and lied about constantly by formerly close family members. However, I know that the church is the only true church on earth! This means that all of the others are false. Even so, it does not mean that they don't occasionally teach good things. I was a Southern Baptist for 29 years and I learned some important truths there. As I studied the LDS doctrines I found that the Baptist Church was not enough for me anymore. As a youngster I read a lot and was dissatisfied with the Doctrines of the Baptist Church.
I'm 'mainstream Christian', and I know actually what Mr. Huckabee was saying in regards to the Widow's mite.
Lets not start, stereo-typing.
I mean, duh.
My family (converts to the Church) is sometimes privileged to hear snarky asides from my born-again aunt, who calls our church "The Rich Mormons." Romney (and the Church in general) was attacked out of fear, as has always been the case in our history. We very quickly became and still are a force to be reckoned with. Our organization, power, holdings, the (mostly) united front, are all threats to these little churches who can't or won't get together on their doctrines, beliefs, even the day of the week they hold worship services and the clothing they wear. My aunt's bratty comments are just one evidence of this. Romney's rejection is another BIG one. In response, Huckabee and his fans all came out with their petty, yet resounding, comments like "Mormons believe Jesus is Satan's brother," and it worked this time. They may not agree on anything else, but they can all jump on the same "Mormons are scary" bandwagon.
And we're still misunderstood. My neighbor thought we couldn't wear makeup.
People should stop using loaded language and scare tactics to censor others. We live in a world where our worldviews and truth-claims and ideology are not exempt from the light of public criticism. Instead of cowering to the moral bankruptcy of postmodernism, everyone should be mature in the public marketplace of controversy and openly deal with competing ideas.
Ironically, those who accuse others of "hate speech" are often exercising the very thing they claim to oppose. Instead of tolerating an open, overt exchange of competing ideas, they are practicing intolerance. Whether you are an Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Mormon, Buddhist, Democrat, Libertarian, Socialist, Republican, pro-life, or pro-choice, your beliefs are not exempt from the light of public scrutiny. If what we believe is wrong, then it is worth having criticized. If what someone believes is the truth, then it should be openly promoted in contrast to mutually exclusive ideas. The truth is far too important.
And am I to believe that Jesus and Satan are not brothers according to LDS doctrine. If they are then why is the question so foul....
I think we should be more honest in our dialogues and quit using the emotive responses to attack Mormon critics. Lets examine the facts and see if their is truth in and outside of Mormonism.
If this is just going to be another Christian bashing session by Mormons then it is not worth anyone's time. My aunt or friend who is a so and so said this.... seriously you are going to generalize a group of people based upon a few of some of their proclaimed followers. I hope no one does that with Mormons by just thinking of Mark Hoffman......
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