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With Romney out, Utahns in quandary
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Hello Utah that would be Obama.......
The counrty will Deserve who they vote for..........
Amen!! Unfortunately, Deseret News has taken the path of most main media, excluding the only conservative and viable candidate: Ron Paul.
Unfortunately, the majority of Mormons have not followed the former Prophet's counsel to get involved and study ALL the candidates and ALL the issues. If they would have done this, they would have seen that Ron Paul IS the ONLY candidate that understands & defends the Constitution.
The oath the President takes is to defend & uphold the Constitution! President Hinckley said that the only sure way to ensure liberty was through the Constitution and yet sadly enough, Utahns/Mormons are not even familiar with it! Please do your homework as he has counseled us to do!! Once you compare each candidate to the Constitution, the choice becomes obvious!! Huckabee, McCain, Mitt, Obama, Clinton all fail miserably in understanding & defending this important document. How can they possibly uphold their oath of office to defend what they don't understand?! Ron Paul is only candidate to vote for!!
Saints declare their support for Mitt Romney was not motivated by religion.
Saints then decry those who opposed Romney because of his religion.
Let us consider those Gentile friends of individuals who refuse to do business with their Saint friends because of prior negative business experience with other members of the faith.
Having lived as most as long as President Hinckley I recognize the validity of their position.
Far too many Saints consider Gentiles as fair game for sharp business practices.
Quite often it is profitable in the short run, but in the long run, it brings distrust for all Saints.
You may think you can pretend to be a Christian, but you can not pretend to be a Mormon! Please pray that you may have the wisdom to fight evil and not goodness in the future.
When (not if) Paul is out, I back McCain
If for some reason, Huck beats McCain, I back Obama
If it's Huckabee vs Hillary, I plug my nose and vote Huckabee
If it's Hillary vs Fidel Castro ... I'll have to think about it (or move to Canada)
The SL Trib has never done this to me.
Still I can still see why the Mormon church inspires such anger. You portray yourself as an open institution but don't allow much in the way of intelligent opposition.
I can see why your favorite son Mitt was just handed his hat and excused from the premises.
You Mormons don't like it when your treated with the same disrepect that you treat others.
Gordon Hill
As faithful members we have to believe this is true and support our Brother.
Instead, it is a study of just how good of a candidate Romney really is - when biggotry, and bias are negated from the equation (Mormons themselves know the goodness and strength and normal-ness of the Church) and thus aren't biased. They see Romney's credentials and it is an obvious choice. For others who hear the lies about the Church, his character, leadership, education, values and inteligence will never be enough. Even in a stelar candidate like Romney.
We have miles to go.
I am a Mormon, and it makes me proud to know that the face that people associate with - in some instances- the only Mormon they know - is Mitt Romney. He and his family are the real deal.
2012 is not far off.
Is Obama really a person that we can trust to defend our liberty if, necessary?How is it possible to sit on the fence�not take a side?
There were battles, wars, and oppression in Africa by Africans against Africans long before America was born,sold their own people into slavery.
Why wouldn�tyoutake sidesofyour owncountry,Perhaps he should take a good look at the other side and run for president elsewhere.
He didn't anticipate Mitt suspending his campaign and now he has to contend with a charging Huckleberry, with no counter-balance, who is not going to be content to be cast aside. It is verily true that thieves eventually fall out. It will be especially true of these two vipers.
I've heard rumblings of McCain asking Romney to run as his VP. I wish it were so, but I'm doubtful. I believe strongly that McCain bought Huckabee off with the promise of a VP/cabinet post to act the spoiler.
I could not vote for McCain or Huckabee. Paul is a loon, so what's left? One exception would be if McCain put Romney in the VP slot. Then, I probably would hold my note and pull the lever.
Today was my state's primary. I voted for Mitt even though his campaign is suspended. He was the only decent choice on the ballot.
I got three robo-calls from Huckabee in the last three days. First was a push poll filled with LIES and DISTORTIONS. The other two I hung up on immediately. Huckabee CREEPS me out.
If McCain doesn't pick Romney, maybe it'd be best to let the Democrats take the hit when the country disintegrates. Lousy choices!
My personal opposition to Romney has nothing to do with his religion. He is a Teflon businessman who thought that he could buy the nomination with his own money and by staking out new positions not because he believed in them but because they were politically expedient.
Romney was a bad candidate and he would be a bad president. His status as an LDS member is his only good quality.
The article Saturday morning lamented the Romney withdrawal from the race, his supporters now having �no one to go to.� What about Ron Paul? His values and stands on most issues are directly in sync with LDS teachings; but it made no mention of him, despite wringing hands over both the smoke-filled-room-anointed McCain�s and Huckabee�s unpalatability. I�ve no choice but to infer you�re against even giving Paul any consideration because of his staunch opposition to the Fed-dominated financial system, his pacifism, dedication to Americanism, etc.� and maybe the bad taste of his states�-rights libertarianism. Nevertheless, re-enthronement of these values is sorely needed to rescue the U.S. from imminent doom. Few take Paul seriously because he�s perceived as an elderly (72) �kook� that can�t compete against Clinton or Obama; yet many support McCain despite his age and storied irascibility. The latter is a very dangerous trait in a President �with his finger on the button.� Paul is solidly stable, and an intelligent, healthy M.D. Is the News is shamelessly prejudiced, having abandoned truly Constitutional Federalism in favor of neo-con fascism. Shame on you!
That is why Mitt lost. Too many people have been insulted by the little boys at the door. Too many of us have had to ask them, "Why aren't you in the army if you say you love America that much?" "Do you know about the polygamists in Utah County, how does that go on and on?" "Do you really think that the Bible is incomplete when hundreds of millions of free people choose it to live by?"
No wonder Mitt lost. He was affiliated with a group that continues to insult the rest of us, on our door step no less.
Dr. Ron Paul is fine and acceptable to God the way he is. Thank you very much, now get off my porch!
Oh, they are no Mitt. Oh well. You are going to have to get over this rejection by the public of Mr. Romney. He did not rally the public, he did not inspire (inspite of the blue shirts, ties, and small children found on stage and then into his arms), he did not have a reasonable plan on how to handle the illegal immigration mess that George has left us.
Mitt wasn't even a meteor. He was like a cloud that went over your head and didn't impress anyone who had ever seen a cloud before. That's all.
Britney, I have to say that Obama is a very moral candidate. He has a wife and kids (never cheated). He is a Unitarian Christian (not an intolerant, hard-core, Pharisee southern group plotting the demise of mankind to onset the 2nd Comming like someone we know). He is respectful to people of all faiths, all cultures, and all walks of life. He canceled his rally in SLC out of respect for Pres. Hinckley and expressed condolences to Pres. Monson.
I don't know all that much about Ron Paul's character, but I hear he is a good guy.
What's so bad about Hillary? It wasn't her that cheated might I remind you.
Or where you just trying to be a smart aleck?
The message of freedom is strong. Is it too strong for the folks around here to realize how rare an opportunity we all have because of the choice Ron Paul is providing? WAKE UP UTAH!!!
There are many things that are cloaked from members. Open your eyes but be cautious because you may not want to know the answer of the question you ask.
As for baptist vs. mormon I'd take the babtist. At least up front he would be honest without lip service.
This may seem strange, but I wrote to Mitt Romney [website address] about 6 hours before I heard about his announcement of withdrawal, requesting that he do that very thing: withdraw!!
I said to him in the mail that I didn't expect that he'd take any notice of me, but I was going to tell him anyway because I loved America and my own country and my family and their future. America can affect the world!
I'm sure he probably didn't receive that mail before making his announcement nonetheless.
I mention this because the reasons I gave him, however, besides that I knew he wasn't going to make Pres this time, were that he and Huckabee were stealing Conservative votes from each other, and you desperately need Conservative leadership.
In fact, I suggested he [do a Pres Hinckley], forgive all, extinguish adversarial relations altogether, get behind Huckabee, assist his economic policy [if requested] and soften those evangelicals towards Mormonism and future presidential campaigns run by Mormons.
We need those Christians as friends or converts - as Terrestrial allies, eventually, against Satan and his crew.
Terrestrial and Celestial will live with Christ in the Millennium.
"Cult" is colloquial. In Europe they are called �sects�. Decades of research by sociologists refer to organizations that use techniques specifically designed to keep the target under their power and control: �mind control,� �brainwashing,� �psychological abuse,� or �spiritual abuse�.
Researchers identify characteristics of �control groups�:
- Strong, centralized, control-oriented leadership
- Use of guilt, fear, and intimidation by leadership to keep members in line
- Leadership controls members� access to information
- Followers are led to think that there is no other church quite like theirs, and that God has singled them out for a special purpose
- Rules and legalism abound
- Subjective experience, especially public or group testimonials (sometimes coached), are encouraged and emphasized over rational discussion and open dialogue
- Other, more traditional churches are put down as being less "holy" or apostate
- Many areas of members' personal lives are subject to scrutiny
- Members not following rules are often demonized (labeled "reprobates" or "dupes of Satan,") and are dealt with harshly
- Ostracism of former members and excommunication of dissenters are common
Denis you lost me somewhere between Terrestrial and Celestial but that�s OK. I was just reading an article about Mr. Romney dropping out of the election and from reading these comments it seems to be a big religious thing in Utah. I know he dropped out but he overwhelmingly won and is popular in Utah so who is arguing against who? Nice job people of beating each other up over nothing. Walking away from the last comment by Denis I would believe there are spacemen involved in the LDS conquest of the world?? Has anyone let ET know this because I think he would need to get his posse together...
Romney IS A GOOD MAN. He has a track record of integrity. What do You want down there? To actually speed up the process of seeing your constitution hanging by a thread? Organize yourselves and if possible vote for Romney if he has simply suspended. If not give this some prayerful thought... Of COURSE Heavenly Father cares about politics (He cares about everything) and can see into the heart of a man. You are in a serious crisis. We saw it up here a short while ago as the liberals in one swift blow legalized gay marriages. If there was ever a time for prayer this is it. Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to the dissenters. Listen to the spirit...
IF YOU WANT to cast a VOTE THAT WILL COUNT. Or...divide and be conquered. If You are conquered so are we...our prayers are with YOU ALL.gl
Do your research, good start is Investors Business Daily article a few weeks ago about his "church" and its pastor. Islamic/Marxist/Africa First totally terrifying! see what the Chicago papers have to report about the revoked bail/bond $2 million in the case of Tony Rezko(Obama's boss for years and still big supporter except the money wasn't clean and Obama has had to donate HUGE sums of it out of his campaign fund to "charity" but look what insanity now qualifies as a charity these days! and then it can be laundered right back to him from a cleaned up source). An Iraqi billionaire residing in Lebanon got his wire transfers for 62 acres of Chicago that Rezko lied to court about--saying it wasn't a liquid assett and had relatives pledge 2 million worth of their properties--Judge Amy st. something--I forget has not been impressed at all! Money transfers were caught hold of by our FBI on their way to Rezko last week. wake up read think!
Where do I go from here? My biggest concern, as a Central Californian whose state has been completely decimated by the influx of Hispanics who are seemingly opposed to keeping the laws of this lan; I will not vote for Mc Cain or Huckabee but I will vote. I will go for either Hillary or Obama and probably hold my nose while doing so. I'm wondering just how many of my Mormon friends will do the same thing.
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If you like McCain, read his book...Faith of My Fathers..the title sounds nice, but it is quite evident that it took McCain's POW experience to force him to begin to grow up! (no offense to POWs intended), but seriously, this guy is out there
Huckabee is weak
Obama is too un-predictable..The only thing we know about this guy is that he's a good public speaker
That leaves Hillary...At least we know what to expect from the Clintons!
Where's Ross Perot?