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JAFO | 2:41 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

Hart? ummm let me think.... Fisher, Dee Brown, Arroyo,Eisley, PRICE, and if Ostertag would have played point he would probably not killed the flow of the game like Hartless.

re: re: sloan hater @2.21 | 2:57 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

Why is it you sloan lovers can't make a rational argument defending him. One based on facts and reality.
Instead, you make PERSONAL attacks on his detractors.
Way to go.

You sloan lovers still haven't explained why we never won with stockton/malone AFTER Jordan left the league, why he plays hart, lets rookies languish their first year, and generally is abrasive to all.

Re Jeff | 3:12 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

Jeff, this thread isn't about one game (Denver) it's about the string of wins the Jazz have put together lately.

In my opinion, the Jazz are a good team (lately), but not a "great" team. They're not dominating anybody. I doubt the Jazz will ever win it all but I'm OK with that. If you need to win it all to enjoy the competition and the franchise... you need to be an LA fan.

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RE sloan hater | 3:43 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

I am not a total Sloan lover. We are looking good and I think we should ride it out for two more years before a change. Making a change at coaching when we are doing so well is just retarded. Also the reason we didnt win in the post jordan era is obvious, malone got old and soon after stock did to.

There is also the concern of a replacement. Are there any decent coaches out there that will not turn us into the nugggets/warriors. By this I mean defensive minded, team oriented, but likes three point, no thugin allowed,and will play price. And I do agree the price is right. Bottom line is I like 85% of what Sloan does and stands for. To me not being the nuggets is almost just as important as winning.

re: re: sloan hater @ 2.21 | 3:44 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

Sloan did not win a championship when jordan left for the same reason he did'nt when they were in the finals or this year. He is missing one key player just like he was back than. No legitimate physical center. To win in this league you need a good big man! Look at the last 7 Champioship teams. Spurs-Duncan, Heat-Shaq, Pistons-Rasheed and Ben Wallace, Spurs-already stated, Lakers 3 strait- Shaq. Why do you think the Suns finaly caved, every playoff series they have lost the last few year has one common factor, a team with a bigman. They said they would be able to win with the team they had. Now they have Shaq. Those are the Facts and Realities of the situation. As much as I love the Jazz, I know they will not win it all until they have a decent, physical, true big man.

re: re: re: Sloan haters | 3:57 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

I'm not a Sloan lover, but I do love reality. And the reality is, he's been around the game for 40-plus years. The highest levels of the game. The reality is, he knows more about the game than you do or I do. THAT is reality.
I'm smart enough to know that and I defer to his understanding of the game. He sees the players in practice and from the bench during games. You and I watch on TV or maybe on occasion from a lower bowl seat. He knows what plays they're supposed to be running and he knows when someone isn't pulling his weight. The rest of us can only guess because we don't know what's said in practice or during a timeout.
Maybe that's why he doesn't turst rookies. Plus, I don't think he let Paul Millsap languish during his rookie year, do you? Millsap played because he kept his mouth shut and did what he was told. Williams didn't have that same attitude the first part of his rookie season. His college coach finally set him straight on that issue.
Once again, I think you have trouble with authority figures.

re:re:re:re:re:re | 4:06 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

I would put the 97-98 of the current champions and they would win without a big man. Do you remember we Swept the Lakers with shaq in a play off series?

to the lovers | 4:18 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

You have trouble with facts . . .

Please tell me, what part of his 40 years experience is having hart playing instead of price?

joe | 4:58 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

To: sloan hater. Sorry I've been out most of the day. Now I may be mistaken but I thought it was you who said: "Jerry, you are a washed up has been. Heaven forbid you compliment your team ..."

Note that: "... compliment your team ..."

Now I don't know if you're playing dumb or really are dumb. Your little sleight-of-hand to reject my comment (and others) by referencing only your other paragraph about Hart is pretty lame.

You said it. Be man enough to own it. As far as I'm concerned you can own it by defending it or by backing away from it - either way, I don't care - but not by pretending it doesn't exist.

joe | 4:55 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

To sloan hater: By the way, Jerry does compliment his team. In fact, he does so quite often. But you, an admitted hater, are so blinded by your hatred for him that you can't see the truth no matter what. Why should I waste my time trying to convince a blind man of something he can never see?

Hartless | 4:59 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

I think that Hart should stay home and make sure that his kids aren't "riding low" at any point in their lives.....especially the evenings of Jazz games for the next year and a half until his contract is up.

Jazzsmack | 5:07 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

The facts are the the facts. The jazz have never won a championship doing things the way they have done things.

And saying they came close does not matter. the facts are they were never good enough to win a championship.

The jazz don't have a bigman and they don't have a jordon either.

All the jazz have done is gone on a little win streak. similar to the one that had to start the season.

It doesn't mean they are now world beaters.

It just means they are in a better position to make the playoffs.

The jazz management have so much as admitted they are not trying to win chamiponships, they just trying to have winning seasons, and just hoping if luck goes their way maybe they will luck inyo a championship.

Still 25 years of making the playoffs it hasn't happen. While other teams have won mutiple championships.

The facts are the facts.

They may be a better offensive than the nineties team but at the price of defense. so it's a wash.

The so called "true" jazz fans can hope all they want and fantasize all they want. the facts are: It will not happen.

Joe | 5:28 p.m. Feb. 8, 2008

Jazzsmack: You raise an interesting question. As a fan would you rather:

- Roo for a team (like Utah or Phoenix) that are perpetually competitive year after year but never win a championship?

or

- Root for a team (like Miami) that is absolutely horrid except in one magical year when everything clicks and they win a title?

The facts are that there are 32 teams in the league. In the last 21 years, only six teams have won the title:

Chicago (6)
LA Lakers (5)
San Antonio (4)
Detroit (3)
Houston (2)
Miami (1)

All have had periods of being among the worst teams in the league.

By the way, only 12 other teams have appeared in the finals, 8 of them for a one and done and only Utah, New Jersey, New York, and Portland made two appearances.

That means 40% of the league has never even been to a finals and 80% has not won a title.

So with all those stats, how do you answer the question above? Every year exciting? Or one good year that is forgotten five months later when the new season starts?

ESPN | 1:33 a.m. Feb. 9, 2008

"I saw Ron Artest about to sub in, so I tried to get off a quick shot when [Kyle] Korver was backing up on me," said Douby, whose 3 came with 17 seconds left in the third and put the Kings ahead for good, 88-87. "I think that's why he [coach Reggie Theus] kept me in, I was in a rhythm."

"That's the thing with Reggie, he will milk a player if they've got it going, that's a good thing," said Salmons, who finished with 13 points, six rebounds, three assists and two blocks.

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