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So, I support the bill, but would do so much more strongly if it applied to any and all items (perhaps with an exception for illegal items) stored out of sight in employee vehicles.
PS-Anyone who truly believes themself defenseless without their gun is probably defenseless with their gun.
So he is saying that private property rights should trump the right of someone to defend their life? Get real!!!
If the parking lot in question is open to the public then the owner of that lot has no right to dictate what his employees may or may not have in their vehicle, so long as they are legal in a public setting. If the lot in question is a private lot, reserved for employees only, and access is controlled to ensure it remains that way, the employer may dictate who and what enters that lot. To deny gun owners their legal right to carry a weapon in a public setting is a violation of the "rights and privileges" clause of the 14th Amendment. To deny that right in a private setting is not.
Then let�s see them try and stop paying taxes
And see what happens
Why not if the can have any policy they like regardless of law
We all know how well �Gun Free slaughter zones� work so well
If there is street parking available, and everyone else parks in the company lot, this advertises to a criminal "there is a gun in this car to steal". The companies will be helping to get more guns into criminal hands.
With the current state of the economy, and corporate layoffs, there might be more shootings. By preventing law abiding people from having a means of protection, the companies have implied they will be providing the protection.
Just imagine the lawsuits against these companies. Even anti-gun cities may need to sue these companies for making guns more easily available to criminals, and to provide free health care for gang members that manage to get shot by rival gang members.
Of course, there would also be the lawsuits by the law abiding victims that were not protected by the corporation.
Currently, businesses can choose to disarm the public, without assuming any responsiblity or liability for provide compensating protection.
I say, give business the right to restrict guns on their property . . . just as long as they assume FULL liability and the expense for assuring all reasonable security precautions have been provided for the safety of all employees, patrons, and visitors to their place of business.
In tort law, it's called strict liability.
Presently, patrons, employees & guests have a far better chance of recovering all of their medical bills resulting from falling on a wet floor than they do at recovering ANY medical bills from being robbed, stabbed, clubbed, or shot on business' premises.
Personally, if I'm shot at while dining at Trolley Square, I'd much rather be able to defend myself than rely on the store owner to organize a charity fund to defray the family's funeral expense.
With RIGHTs ought to come RESPONSIBILTY. This concept has been sadly lacking in the discussion so far.
Where does it start and where does it end?
You are the only one responsible for your personal saftey. Leagally carrying a firearm and being trained in it's use is the best way to defend yourself. The Right to carry is upheld by this country. I dont see how a company can infringe on this Right. If you have gone through the process to have a conceal and carry permit then you should be able to carry everywhere.
It has been proven over and over that people with a carry permit are less likely to commit a crime. And that more guns = less crime. Lets get rid of these unarmed victim zones!
b. At AOL in Ogden three employees were fired because they had legally owned guns in their cars to go shooting after work, and the company controlled the parking lot. Abuses like that need to be stopped here in Utah.
c. Eight other states have passed or are considering similar bills, with the backing of the NRA. An Oklahoma bill has been challenged in court and is on appeal right now.
d. Any employer who denies the option for legal self defense weapons should be held strictly liable for any injuries suffered during the ENTIRE TIME the person is disarmed- FROM THE TIME THE LEAVE HOME UNTIL THEY RETURN HOME, not just while at the workplace.
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