The one source for the story is the player's father. So is this really what
happened? Or is he leaving out details to protect his son? Just
wondering about that . . .It seems strange that an attack would be
this random. There has to be more backstory to this. And perhaps it might just
be that they were targeted for being athletes.But, honestly, it
doesn't matter why this occurred.Whatever happened, a stabbing is
never justified. I'm really glad that everyone is going to be OK. And I wish all
three players a speedy recovery, and I hope to see all of them on the field next
there will be a slip up from the other side as the loose lip syndrome will
happen. but avoid conflict at all cost as it could have been much
worse...finding the perpetrators will not be that hard. Some are already known
by the police for this kind of behavior.
I don't think this is a case of the wrong place at the wrong time, it's a case
of don't open your mouth to strangers taunting you, and especially don't go
approach them to tell them to knock it off, even more especially in a bigger
city where people are calling you names. It's terrible to end it in stabbing.
The lesson is don't talk to strangers yelling at you. They should have learned
this in elementary.
"(he couldn't recall her last name)"???Make a phone call and get it!
What is this, a high school newspaper?It's a shame to hear about
this senseless violence. I hope the attackers are found. But, you know, that
might be a little easier to do if someone would have the GUTS to release their
No one deserves to get stabbed, but it doesn't surprise me the football players
(ego) got involved, telling the suspects to shut up and throw a snowball at
them. It seems more than just the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe Coach
Whit ought to address that instead of make excuses for it.
So we get the whole story, not from the police, but a blow by blow report from
the father of the victims. I'm sure it is unbiased.Especially how
Paul Jr. stated "Look this is not worth getting into a scuffle over."Come on, I feel badly for what happended, feel badly for the families, but
could we be anymore biased in a story?
are you trying to be politically correct by not releasing the "detail" regarding
the race of the people in the cars!?
Could we hear from the police, not just "good ol dad" whose opjectivity is a
little suspect, or I should a lot suspect. Ute football players are not exactly
known for being "humble, quiet and reserved." Quite the opposite. Whittingham
encourages the aggressive, "put it out there" behavior. What happened was
horrific but what did these boys expect. Walking on and keeping your mouth shut
would have helped. Throwing a snowball and hitting a car is an invitation to a
fight. Don't ask me why but it just is among the macho driven men of the world.
Wow - I suppose that there might be some zoob witness who would give the trib
the real scoop. Cougs, your own biases are so transparent with stupid and silly
comments like this.
Why is the father releasing details of the incident, shouldn't that be the
police dept. job..????..hmmmm
The players technically did nothing wrong by talking some smack and throwing a
snowball. Otherwise great kids easily get caught up in that kind of stuff. But
there is no doubt that today that can get you cut up or worse. It's a scary
world we live in.
From the comments it is clear that most of these people have never had anything
like this happen to them. When thugs are out looking for a fight it takes
nothing much to become their victim. They are cowards who come armed for a
fight and outnumber you and surround you so there really is no retreat anyway.
Amazing how many people find a way to blame the victim.
I love all you "experts" acting as judge, jury, and executioner in a situation
you know nothing about.This happened at a TEAM-ORGANIZED PARTY!!
This was a party thrown for recruits on official visits. The football team
organized, sanctioned, and paid for the party. That's why there were so many
football players and recruits there - it was mandated by the coaching staff.
That's why there was no alcohol.If there was more to it than what
was said in this admittedly lame article, why haven't charges been filed against
the players? Why hasn't Whittingham suspended them for even one game? This
isn't BYU - the U actually punishes players who break the rules or the law.Please, by all means keep on judging them - judging others is what Jesus
taught us to do, right?
Ignoring idiots can make them just as mad as saying something to them. In this
day and age the right strategy is to dial 911 as soon as someone starts
harassing or assaulting you (verbal or otherwise). Being on the phone to the
authorities is as intimidating as it gets. It won't always work, but it is the
"Give me..." Thanks for officially making this a BYU vs. Utah issue. Good grief,
get a life.
How can you accuse these guys of wrongdoing? You think he deserved a punctured
lung for telling someone to shut up? Stab in the back is just punishment for a
snowball? In that case, I don't even want to think what you deserve.Based on all evidence that has been presented, these kids did nothing wrong.
Too many of you in Provo seem to be having a hard time with that. You know, you
can be a good person and attend the University of Utah, despite what they taught
you in Sunday School.
Uh, Manase Tonga was suspended by BYU for getting a traffic ticket. Don't think
that would ever happen at Utah.
Wow, could this story have been spun by the dad any more?
Give yourself a break and don't feel you have to belittle BYU any chance you
get. This article has absolutely nothing to do with that school. You're no
expert on what BYU does, so who is judging now?
I am waiting to read the police report. It sounds to me like the football
players were invited to fight and they accepted the challenge. They should have
walked away, they are lucky to be alive. I would like to know more about who
attached them, it would be nice to have the police out looking for the cowards.
Why are the Ute fans screaming at the Cougar fans?
Why make it a BYU-Utah thing. You Ute fans are so combative, hypersensitive and
lame.Just let it go as a weak story.And yes, I have been
involved in altercations with thugs, and have never used or heard someone use
the phrase: "Look this is not worth getting into a scuffle
over."Lame story, lame apologist.
J.D. are you suggesting the players brought this on themselves and that Ute's
coach take a stand on a situation in which few facts are known? Perhaps you
might wait until all the details have emerged before making this judgement call.
The players did nothing wrong.The players were outnumbered, and
without weapons when the fight started. Yet some say they were looking for
trouble. Yeah right.The fellas in the cars had weapons and were
looking for trouble.The fact that these athletes are not dead is a
testament to their courage and ability.
No excuses for the attackers please, macho football players or not, knives and
screw drivers because someone yelled back at you is sick and evil. These thugs
need to be identified and put away to protect all of society. Of course they
were looking for a fight so even if words were not exchanged the attack would
have happened. The police won't be a source of information because the
investigation is ongoing, they'll get the job done quicker if they don't have to
play it out in the media. This would not happen to anyone if we all just stayed
home and never went out, what a sad STATE we live in if it has come to that.
Stop defending the attackers. They stabbed two people period.
what does the race have to do with it. are you a cop the police are the only
ones that need all the info. we can get it when they get caught
C'mon folks. These are good young men who were attacked by some low-life, loser
thugs. From a die hard BYU blue fan.... I'm sorry to hear about the attacks
and hope the Ute players make a speedy and full recovery. Some people take a
fun and healthy rivalry way too far. Plug those holes up and get back in the
weight room! I'm looking forward to another 4th and 18 next year. Give me a break: thanks for the additional information. Wish they would have
put that in the original article so people don't have to wonder about the type
of party they were leaving. Poor reporting.
Your a little confused here, your blaming the guys that got stabbed. If they
were BYU players I'm sure it would be the other way around. Your a troll.
""Look this is not worth getting into a scuffle over." ??? What - is this 1955?
Hey 're: bias,' if this isn't a Utah-BYU story (which indeed it isn't), why
generalize by saying "you Ute fans are so combative...?" People all over this
board and others are actually questioning the character of these young men. The
real issue is that they were stabbed and could've been killed. Does it really
matter which university they attend or whether they play sports? Instead of
looking at this as two Ute players get stabbed, look at is two human beings were
stabbed while walking down the street from a party. As for the one player
throwing a snowball, yes, that was surely a foolish response to being yelled at.
I'm sure he regrets those actions. Still, it doesn't merit being stabbed. Let's
just hope Paul recovers fully.
First and foremost hope the players recover quickly and are able to get back to
100 percent; shouldn't get a shank in the back and ribs for mouthing off. I
guess its just the times we live in. That being said, it's getting to be
extremely difficult for this BYU fan from out of state to read the DN anymore
without people hijacking the comment section (ON ANY ARTICLE) and turning it
into a Mormon vs non, Utah vs BYU argument. Same old same old. Every day the
same bickering. Yawn.
Yeah, I think Dad was too biased too. They should have gotten comments from an
unrelated person who was not there to see anything. To make it less biased they
should not know the victims either. Hey! That would be me. So, here is what
really happened. They were walking home and a UFO came down and sucked them up.
The "stab wounds" are really from shoddy alien exploratory surgery. They dumped
them out and changed their memory to remember the given story. That is the
straight, unbiased, uninformed truth.Come on folks. Get a life. Yes the
father might be biased, but the writer had to use the best available sources. It
is common to use relatives for information. BYU had nothing to do with this
incident, and no I am not from Provo. This was an unfortunate incident, and the
cowardly scum who did it are still out there. Don't try to make more out of it
than is in the article.
This was a lame story. We don't know any more details now than we did before.
From the few details given, it doesn't sound like the boys were in the wrong
place, just there at the wrong time. I'm not going to fault them for the
exchange of words that Dad so dutifully filtered for us. I probably would've
run my mouth, too, never thinking somebody would stab me over it. There was no
alcohol or drugs involved, and the players didn't start. Could they have walked
away? Maybe, but from the sounds of things the thugs definitely planned on
attacking somebody that night. Shudder to think what would've happened to a
group of average size boys that night. But to "give me a break,"
really? Are you really going to contend that Bronco, who has suspended some of
his boys over caffiene, is more lenient than Kyle, who has ignored a DUI arrest
among other things?
Let's don't forget that 2 of these players were stabbed, and one of them
critically. Since when did talking smack, and throwing snowballs warrant a knife
attack? I gather from some of the posts that some of you are condoning what took
place, and that is appalling, and for this to become a Cougar vs. Ute thing how
ridicilous. The reality here is no matter the school affliation or who said and
did what to start the incident 2 people were stabbed, and someone could have
Dear Friends, I wish I could convey to you the character and honesty of this
family and these young men. They are good people. I know the Kruger family
personally. I assure you that any faults you find in this story are not the
making of the family. I assure you if any of us were in a similar situation, we
would have done as Paul did and try and protect our family---that is what he
did, try and protect his brother and sister and friend from a situation that got
out of hand. I have been there. Afterwards, one feels terrible, but the
consolation is that in the end you were trying to protect loved ones. The
Krugers are victims!!! I submit that walking away wasn't an option. So now my
good friend lies in a hospital bed while the perpetrators run free.
The players did nothing wrong? Maybe not criminally, but if they keep their egos
in check, then this doesn't happen. What they did wrong, was mouth off to a
group of thugs. You got to know when to pick your battles.
BYU fans quit blaming Ute fans for making it a "BYU-Utah thing," and Ute fans
quit bringing BYU into this. This is nothing more than a tragic
event that happened to a couple of guys who didn't deserve this.Whittingham is doing and saying the right stuff, and what seems to be the
truth to the best of his knowledge.Don't accuse the dad of lying
just because you know nothing about how gangsters work, it seems to me that his
story is pretty legit.This is a classic example of what thugs do.
They decide they want a fight and they go get into a fight they don't care if it
is one sided or not. If you talk they jump you, if you run they jump you, if
you call 911 they jump you. "Wrong place at the wrong time" I
couldn't have said it any better myself.Paul only has one kidney and
if he were stabbed there instead of where he was he would be dead.Quit trying to make this the victims fault.There is only one group
of people to blame this on, THE PEOPLE THAT DID IT!DON'T
BLAME THIS ON THE VICTIM.
To intimate that the Ute FB players did anything deserving of being attacked
with knives and screwdrvers is beyond ridicuous. Further, to insinuate that the
party attended was not wholesome is also biased. Words and snow balls do not
warrent being attacked by a 'gang' of hooligans on the prowl. These attackers
are cowards and bullies.Bythe way, a description of the 'alleged'
attackers and the vehicles involved would help in gathering information leading
to their capture and eventual trial. Regardless of the ethnicity of these
villans they deserve punsihment, not plea bargaining. An example must be made
so that similar conduct is discouraged in the future.Thank God that
the players were not more seriously hurt and they are recovering well. God
bless you guys!
throwing a snowball at a car is battery.seems to me the players escalated
I grew up in a large city and you have to learn to walk away from this type of
situation. It's easy to just say that they were in the wrong place at the wrong
time, but you can almost always avoid a fight. Football players, especially the
big ones, rarely walk away. It's not in their nature!What would've
happened if one of them had called 911 and promply reported the license plate
number of the vehicle as soon as this started to escalate?That
would've probably scared the attackers away!
Like you Fritz and Ryan, I think that this article was biased.Why
didn't the DN interview the guys in the car who jumped out and stabbed these
fellows? I think then we would know the 'unbiased' truth. How come they didn't
interview them?!?When will these writers learn good journalism?
Anonymous, you are right. These board become peppered with insults no matter
what the topic. People, say something relevant or don't post at all. We get it -
some people love the Utes and some love the Cougars. Who cares?
"Details emerge..." Should read, "Half truths emerge from Dad..." "Look this is not worth getting into a scuffle over." Are you joking???
I'm sure the story we're hearing is somewhat biased. Even so, the victims
didn't deserve to be stabbed.We need to stop this BYU/Utah nonsense.
Both schools have athletes that have been in trouble in the past and will in
the future. This didn't happen because Whittingham teaches this anymore than
the BYU guys who broke down the door of an innocent apartment dwellar and
threatened to kill the occpants did that because Mendenhall teaches that kind of
behavior.And, for the guy above talking about Tonga, he was
suspended, not for getting a traffic ticket, but for giving false information to
a police officer (an assumed name). Mendenhall, or anyone else, doesn't suspend
players for a simple speeding violation or failure to stop at a stop sign.Let's let the police do their duty and wait for an official report
before judging any of the victims on this.
I am a Cougar Fan. Although we all have our feelings about the rivalry, I hate
to see anyone get hurt like this senseless act. Whether it was provoked or not,
biased or not does not matter. The main fact is that individuals were injured
in a senseless manner. My best goes to the all the U players who were injured
and hope they have a speedy recovery.
I'm old school enough to believe a parent has the responsibility to get out his
family's account of what happened.Mock the paper for its reporting
if you will, but the story is about what the Krugers' dad knows about what
happened.Thank goodness that Paul Kruger's injuries were no worse
than they are.It is frightening to me how college athletes can
become targets for this kind of senseless violence.Somebody knows
who the attackers were. Turn them in!
Since when is getting jumped from behind with knives and screwdrivers the
victims fault? The thugs jumped these players from behind? For all of you who
said you would ignore them and walk away? I guess thats what our country should
have done on 9"11". But we were attacked without warning just like these
football players were. But you say whatever makes you feel good until it happens
to you or a family member and see how you repond. You are a bunch of cowards.
Move to France please!
Wow... From a "true" coug fan, not part of the nerd herd, these comments are
dispicable. Anybody in this situation would have been jumped. The fact that it
was a few Utes makes no difference. This is scary, and would have been a lot
scarier if the football team was outside, for the "thugs". True thugs don't
ride around looking to jump someone, these "thugs" are just posers. 2Pac is
dead ya'll, time to live and love. Listen to Marley.
These guys were jumped because they were football players, I don't believe that
the thugs cared who they were. They were jumped because they mouthed off. That's
all it takes for a thug to act. But please, football players are NOT being
I think it is funny how so many BYU fans were on here talking about how they
were so concerned for the players and were praying for them, now you turn around
and essentially stab them in the back with your comments about the guys being
the provokers. Seems like you take pride that they were provoking....I'd rather
have them do that and throw snowballs than to be RM's who lie about there
identity! Come on people!!!!
This is just proof that bad things happen to people that make bad decisions. Had
they been playing for BYU however.......
Money talks, put up a reward, someone will try and collect. Then maybe we will
hear the other side of the story. A group of people, be it young or old are
just a bunch of cowards in my opinion.
Why still no information on the attackers? Shouldn't we be informed fo the
make/model of the car, some basic descriptions? Seriously, why no info?
As a BYU fan, I give my best wishes to these players and hope for a speedy
recovery. I personally cheer for Utah except when they play BYU.
What's wrong with both schools having great programs?
I'm a BYU fan. I've lived around (and have lots of friends that are) Utah fans.
The rivalry is intense but there's nothing wrong with Utah fans. C'mon people,
don't take it so serious.
This was an unfortunate situation that could have happened to anyone. Not BYU,
not U of U, but certain football players in general have a tendency to react and
not think things through in these kinds of situations, (and a number of the rest
of us just react in certain situations also). Just like with the incident with
BYU players breaking into the apartment last year because of water balloons,
mouthing off and throwing a snowball at a car full of thugs probably wasn't the
smartest move. The victims did do the right thing by trying to protect each
other after the fact. The victims did nothing wrong, they just made an unwise
decision. Obviously the attackers are the guilty party. They're criminals and I
hope they are found and brought to justice. The victims could have been killed,
and I think an act of violence like that could be grounds for attempted murder
and a number of other charges. It's sad to see things like this happen, and I
hope that the victims recover soon.
The thugs who picked this fight are such losers! That's the word that needs to
be on the streets about them. There was no honor in this fight, except by those
who defended themselves. Only cowards attack, and worse cowards attack in a
We're all grateful that Kruger's injuries are not serious and he will soon
recover. Hopefully, the police will soon round up these dangerous attackers and
put them away, they shouldn't be roaming the streets of the city looking for
someone to kill or injure.
I am just sure he used the word "scuffle". All the kids these days are using it.
Screwdrivers and knives???The players are lucky thats all it was.People are getting shot in the inner-cities of our country because they
looked at other kids the wrong way, or because someone else at the party was
targeted.No, they didn't deserve it, but remind your kids that
yelling insults and throwing snowballs can get you killed in his country.
(whether you are a yewt or kewg...)
Anonymous - didn't you mean to say "throwing a snowball is assault with a deadly
weapon"? Battery is not quite addequate to describe the escalation you see in
the circumstances. What law school or police academy did you attend? Please do
not put on a uniform or a suit and offer to defend me.
Justin-Did you take the bar exam.Ever heard of civil battery?
Look i love a great college football rivalry as much as the next guy, but this
is way out of control. First, Plaisted's wife gets arrested for DUI,
and Ute fans immediately start to bag on BYU. Then this happens, and BYU fans
start to bag on Utah. You call yuorselves "true fans"
An assault is the fear of battery. An assault does not require a person to be
physically harmed. A battery does.
Whenever a yutz player gets into a fight, steals or breaks into a car, does
damage to a woman, stumbles drunkenly through a busy street, the word "party" is
always part of the story?Oh, and were is our friend who claimed the fight
was caused by BYU players? Is there nothing yutz fans won't try to dump on BYU?
Accept the losses and be a man.
I'm one of the victims, and the incident transpired exactly as it is written in
this article. There is no bias about it. Yeah we could have ignored them but
we didn't. I personally hate the idea of people mouthing of to whomever they
please. Gangsters have no place in this world and they should all be locked
I love reading this "newspaper" so I can hear fans at both schools run each
other down. The only thing missing from this poorly-written article is a mention
about the predominent church in the area.
I didn't realize that the acid ran this deep just because a couple people got
involved in a messey situtation. Would you people be dancing in the street if
this had been three BYU players. You people are SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!
This same thing happened AT BYU. It was the basket ballplayer's word against the
attackers. The player even gave firesides on 'forgiveness'. The BYU player was
lying about provocation and the case was dropped do to eyewitness testimony (a
BYU employee who saw the whole thing) but the lives of 4 young men so accused by
a 'holy one' were screwed up by this guy's lies. I feel bad the guys
were hurt, but the story from the players Dad just doesn't ring true. Student
athletes are not known for their modesty and submissiveness in confrontation.
Is the father's story biased - probably; however, there is also a high degree of
truth to what he said. As a neutral BYU/Utah observer, I don't think any
reasonable person contends that these three players were senselessly attacked by
a group of thugs. I hope the they are caught - the irate citizen in me says
summary execution is too good for them.
Hey True Story,You call the assailants, "Gangsters". Did they appear
to be part of a gang? Could you identify which gang, if so? Do you know why the
police aren't releasing suspect descriptions? Thanks.
Battery doesn't exist in the Utah criminal code,(although it does in California
Penal Code). So you legal scholars need to get that right.Also, I
disagree that 'they were in the wrong place at the wrong time'. They (the
victims) had something to do with it being the wrong place. I agree with the
earlier post, that they were lucky guns weren't involved.
The police did release a description of the suspects: All Hispanice. The real
question is why have KSL/Deseret News choosen to hide that detail, when other
local news stations reported it.
The "judgers" with the BYU twist are truly despicable and need to re-examine
their lives and what BYU stands for. 1-We don't judge victims of a crime. 2-We
don't find joy when someone is stabbed, even if they don't go to our school, our
church, our ward or even if they hate our school, our church and our ward. 3-We
don't find excuses for criminals who drive around looking for fights and
stabbing people. 4-We don't judge the motives or integrity of a father of a
victim. 5-We don't explain how our righteousness helps us avoid crime as a way
to blame victims. 6-We try and represent ourselves and our school/religion with
integrity and respect and charity toward others. Otherwise, we are just a shame
and vile people hiding behind a church or school so we can be better in our own
bubble. Remember, who we are and what we represent... no matter what anyone
else says, does or writes bad about us.
After reading all the above comments, I feel like most of you have not lived in
or near a real Big City. I have. Big City rules, basically, are: Don't react
to taunts, don't look at a stranger's face (because they don't like it), and
don't look at a guy's girlfriend or sister. (Definitely don't throw anything or
say anything.) These victims were not "in the wrong place at the
wrong time." They were in the right place at the right time. The
people who attacked them are bullies, looking for a fight. It doesn't take much
to set them off, for they are already on the edge. Bullies always pick on "nice
guys;" it doesn't matter who they are or what color they are. They might even
attack if you ignore them. They like violence. It makes them feel
important.You people need to get out of your BYU vs. UU mindset, and
think of these victims as your brothers and sisters. It could have been so much
worse, and I am grateful that these guys will recover. I hope the police will
find the bullies and prosecute them. And stop being so judgemental, you are
showing your ignorance!
Am I going crazy or there people actually making such stupid statements on this
blog as to suggest that this was the players fault or that they shouldn't have
quoted from Paul Kruger's dad?I am as big a BYU fan as anyone
around, but any of you that are claiming these boys deserved this because they
are at the U of U, or that the father shouldn't have been interviewed - I have
one question for you - are you stupid!Seriously! Since when is it
okay for 15 people to jump 3 people and stab them? I would disclose the race of
these 15 people but for the fact the Des. News wouldn't post my comments. These are good kids. They didn't deserve this. Those of
you that don't think its okay for the father to speak out about this attack are
fools. Hope nothing ever happens to you or your family, because according to
your ignorant logic, you couldn't say anything about to anyone. Times like this
I'm ashamed at humanities stupidity.Hope these boys get better.
Hope these gang members are caught and convicted of attempted MURDER!
Huge BYU fan, but this is horrible.I played at Idaho State. We had a
bunch of knuckleheads on the team that got into trouble all the time. I
occasionally went out with them (to drive them home). I was amazed at how stupid
some people are.Groups of guys would start fights with us. No
provocation. Nothing. Just start a fight. It didn't matter where we went, it
almost always happened. We always got in trouble, sometimes guys got suspended.
I always thought they were a bunch of thugs until I realized that for some
reason there are a lot of losers out there who are unbelievably jealous of
collegiate athletes, and want to try and prove they are just as tough or
something.When I read this article I can see myself standing there
watching it happen just like I've seen before. These guys did nothing wrong.
Anyone who says it had anything to do with ego is ignorant. A snowball is
harmless, how could they anticipate something like this? They are young guys,
they were just out having a good time. They weren't trying to cause trouble.
the weapons used to attack the players, it looks like the attackers are
gangsters. I do hope they find the thugs and put them away...
My solution:(for law abiding,level headed adults only)1-Get your concealed carry permit2-Buy handgun3-Become
proficient in handling gun4-Carry in puplic-mind own business-avoid
confrontation at all cost 5-If life is threatend by thug-shoot to
kill!6-Less thugs-safer society
The bottom line is the attackers were looking for trouble...I grew up in So Cal
with these kinds of guys...they are bullies...they ALWAYS outnumber their
victims and any kind of fight will NEVER be fair.Anybody that wants to blame the
victims for saying something...throwing a snowball...looking the wrong way etc
as a reason they got attacked is just misguided.What there attackers did was
commit assault with a deadly weapon...attempted murder among other crimes.Its
funny that some people want to find a reason that the victims were
attacked...some how it makes them feel better.They think that if they don't look
people in the eye..don't say anything to anyone that shouts
profanities...basically just act like a coward towards these thugs that nothing
will happen to them.Well think again..they will victimize your too...I'm proud
of these football players for not putting their tail between their legs and
cowering away...I guess you'll just cry when they spit on you and your family
and you just sit there and do nothing about it.Thats why the thugs do what they
do...nobody stops them.Evil grows when good men sit back and do nothing....and
that means defend the evil...even on this forum...condemn it..there are no
Kyle, love ya, but this is not a classic case of being in the wrong place at the
wrong time.. I know Coach did not mean to say it but that philosophy cedes our
neighborhoods, parks and eventually our country to gangs and thugs. We do not
ask permission from any thugs, losers, etc to walk our streets.
maybe if the both of them went to BYU none of this would have happenned, I heard
David is a punk. He in my oppinion thought he was so "tuff". Unfortunate that it
happenned. Go Cougars 4th and 18 (wink wink)
BYU fans Obviously
I remember watching two kids get stabbed and four more go to the hospital with
serious head injuries in a fight after a high school dance because one kid was
talking to someone else's girl friend. If you don't believe that a few words
and a snowball are enough to provoke a fight, then you must not get out much.To those Sad 4th and 18 people down south, their excuse would be that
things look different from inside the happy-valley bubble.
Maybe the sports world is the wrong place to get an impression of a group of
people like Mormons. Do fans of BYU really think it is funny these guys got
stabbed? I grew up in a suburb outside of NYC and attended school at Uof Mich
and we despised the Ohio State U but seeing Mormons/BYU fans take pot shots at
these players is amazing. I came to Utah to work for a investment group and
never really meet Mormons like the ones on this newspaper site. Are Mormons/BYU
fans really this arrogant and hateful of Utah players/fans? I can tell by
reading the posts that BYU is the school of the "local religion" but aren't
there many mormons who also go to the UofU? I guess I am just
surprised at the level of arrogance and the number of really rude people who
post on here. I have been to a Mormon church with a BYU friend and
at their church I never met anybody who seemed as if they would say stuff like
people do on here. Pretty much all Mormon posts are pretty ugly.I
guess people can really do some acting on Sunday???
What? Did you really have BYU fans on a pedastal???People are
people.It's not worth getting in a verbal scuffle about.
In my time at BYU, two friends got jumped at Taco Bell for less. 10 guys jumped
out of a van and attacked them. This stuff can happen. And to BYU fans really
this rude? Why make this a Mormon non Mormon thing here? It is stupid enough it
has become a BYU/Utah thing. Example #20047 of why I could never bring myself
to moving back to Utah, everyone grow up.
Its hard to say if BYU fans or Ute fans are really this rude. I think that a
lot of the posters on here make up a name representing their enemy school and
then make stupid comments to make that school look bad.There is
hardley a better explanation than that. Who really would say such things. It
is hard to believe that it isn't someone from the rival trying to make the other
I don't have too much to say.. Just what I think.First off, what's
done is done. The only people that really need to know "exactly" what happened
are the people that were involved, and the authorities.Second, sure,
his dad said it all, I know Paul Sr. and he'd use a word like scuffle, and I
don't see who's to judge him in what he says or how. I'm sure he didn't search
out the media and tell them what to write. Thirdly, they taunted. So
those who say that they did nothing at all wrong... I don't understand that. I
am not commending the hispanics, but look, if you are trying to evit any
possibility of a fight, why would you throw a snowball? Doesn't make them bad
people, but surely not the smartest thing to do. Anyway, it's hard to say
exactly what you'd do in a situation like that, right? Maybe they were going to
pick the fight anyway, but there's a difference in it happening with, and
without the snowball thrown.Fourth, I hope that all affected will
1. Maybe he didn't say scuffle that night, maybe he said "fight" and just
changed the word for the newspaper...makes no difference...this point is a
non-issue2. Yah they did something wrong, they threw a
snowball...but you can't even begin to justify getting beat up by 15 guys and
being stabbed by them for throwing a snowball...maybe they deserved a white-wash
or something for throwing a snowball...you could even make a case for vandalism
if it dented the car (which i highly doubt it did)...but attempted murder? They
did nothing to deserve that...That's like saying everytime someone
doorbell ditches you, they deserve to be stabbed...
and lame. So would you be if your rival beat you in football the last two
years! I still can't get over the blocked field goal either. (UCLA)I hope they find the thugs and feed them to the rest of the Utah football
Anyone who is trying to pin any blame on these three kids has serious problems.
I am a Cougar through and through and I HATE the Utes. But these cowardly acts
are an outrage. The guys who did it should be seriously punished. All three of
these kids could have died. Some of these posts are disturbing. Get a clue. You
can't be that stupid.
Okay, I just read up from the bottom of all these comments. I think it is clear
that there are only a few dumb posts and they are mostly at the top. I think it
is fair to say that most of the BYU fans and probably Mormons, GO MITT, know
that this stuff cannot be tolerated and feel sick that it happened to anyone. I
was worried there for a second. I am so glad I don't live in Utah. The only
place in America where being Mormon is an issue in every stinking topic. Get
over it people.
What arguement are you trying to make?How are those comments
justifying the thugs? Maybe you need to read and understand what was wrote. When
people commit a crime like that it can't be justified. The point that was made
was the fact that the taunted. If you disagree... then maybe you have a differnt
meaning for the word. Were they at fault? That's not my place to say, but I will
say that if there's a group of thugs and they are looking for a problem, I'm not
going to pick up a snowball and throw it at their car. I mean, if that's what
you would do... great, that's your decision, but just to clear the record, (if
it was really THAT hard to understand) I'm not justifying the actions of the
thugs, I'm just saying that it was probably not the smartest thing to throw a
snowball at a large group of people that are picking a fight. Honestly, it was
more the fact of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes things
just happen, and it's unfortunate.
Having served in Missouri with Paul Jr., I can see him saying "Look this is not
worth getting into a scuffle over." I am quite saddened by the
picture painted of Paul Jr. by the posts on this blog. They don't reflect his
true character at all. Yes, he is a football player, but he is also one of the
most solid individuals I have ever met. I am glad his prospects for
a full recovery are good.
I can't believe some of the posts on here from people who are blinded by their
love of BYU. This has nothing to do with a rivalry.First of all Paul
is from Orem and served a mission and is a great person.The real
issue is 3 people got jumped by 15 Mexicans. Half of which are likely here in
this country illegaly. This happens all the time because these thugs realize
that in a one on one fight they would get knocked out, so they have to fight 5
on 1.I personally volunteer my services to fight anyone of these
thugs 1 on 1. I can't believe that this artcile didn't mention anything about
the race of the suspects.
Paul Kruger has always been a kind and has high character. I love BYU but some
of the fans need to pull there heads out for a breath of air. Really get real,
this is real life and does not have to do with red or blue. I coached him in
pony League baseball and know his family and brothers, they are good caring
people. I wish him only the best
Look, both BYU and Utah are dumb schools.