is broke. Years of hard labor should be given to these little thugs. Make
believers out of them. After serving their sentences, then the Social
Workers can take over and check them out. Stabbing with intent to kill should be
the same as murder in the justice system.
All you who have got after us for labeling Mexican people need to get over it.
If you pay attention in the news, 90% or more of the crime that takes place in
Utah is done by a Jose, Juan, Caesar, Julio or some hispanic name. So yes, while
there are good Mexicans out there, they get the sterotype thanks to the THUGS
that give them the name, those that do no good and excuse the law. We The People
might have to turn back to the old west days and create our own vigilant
committees. For those that think guns should be left at home, say what you will,
but as for me, I will carry one and protect myself against any thug!Now, to what is most important here, I hope the 3 players involved make a safe
and speedy recovery from this incident.
I have nightmares all the time and it usually involves being assaulted by a
youth gang and not being able to do anything about it. I lost my job after a few
months because of the change in composure I experienced. I went from a happy go
lucky pub manager to a shell of a person who avoids people whenever possible.4 out of 5 of the kids they caught were let off completely if they would
testify against the leader with the biggest knife. His charge of attempted
murder was dropped to assault with a weapon and he got 4 months in a Kiddy
Kriminal Kamp increasing his late nite skills.It doesn't matter the
nationality of people to make them violent. If we as a society believe it is
alright for children to be out at that time of night then we are getting what we
deserve. Where are the Family Values. The youth justice system is just making
for more adult criminals better trained and far more violent. Hollywood and all
it entails merely adds to the problem. It's so cool to be tough or so it would
seem on TV.
I hope they get better real soon. It sounds like a scary situation and I hope it
never happens again. The Krugers are very good football players with excellent
potential and a lot of size. I hope the cops can nail these cowards who don't
know how to fight like a man. Oh well, I'm just glad they're okay and their
families can see them again. I'm a Cougar fan but this incident takes prevalence
over any silly rivalry. Don't get me wrong, I am a die hard BYU fan and wish the
Krugers came to Provo but I sincerely hope BYU beats Utah in every sport there
is, especially football. But some things are a lot more important. I wish Paul a
Our thoughts are with everyone that were involved. It is unfortunate what
happened, I hope that you have a sppedy recovery so you can go out there and
dominate just like always. I hope the police catch the guys. Can't wait to see
"mini Kruger" out there too. Go Utes! Get well soon!
I am about. to sort of celebrate 17 years since I was stabbed multiple times by
a group of teens out for something to do at 3 am. I was a pub supervisor and
after closing up one Saturday nite I was confronted by them outside the
establishment. Even though there were 2 cabs waiting in the taxi line, plus
front desk hotel staff and a few of the waitresses present , these 5 kids , all
under 16, just decided it was time for them to have a little fun and attack
basically anyone in their surrounding. I was the biggest one around so they
chose me first. The Dr's at emergency said it was lucky that I was as big
as I was or one of the strikes would have had the liver and another in the back
of the heart. Though I recovered quickly from the physical attacks I
am not sure I will ever be over the mental problems. Hopefully these young men
can get the help they will need immediately though they may not think they need
any. I can still feel every wound every hr of every day.
this is terrible i hope you three can recover and be out there against michigan
next year, and what a great class act by BYU fans i think that shows that there
is a lot of cougar fans who show a lot of respect to utah players when something
like this happens to them and i would hope ute fans would do the same for the
As a close friend of a police officer, I know he does NOT want everybody
carrying a firearm. The opportunity to use it at the right time in the right
situation is about as likely as dying in an airplane crash = VERY RARE. But it
will make law enforcement more difficult everytime somebody takes the law into
his own hands and pulls out a firearm. Mistakes will be made and unfortunately
law enforcement will be blamed at first. Point 2- Even if ALL crime
in the US (which obviously is not) were caused by illegal aliens, it would not
mean ALL illegal aliens are evil law-breaking scum. Ask yourself this, if you
had no money, no food and no shelter, but needed to provide for your family,
would you really consider it a major sin and crime to cross the border to work a
lower than minimum wage paying blue collar job? There may be a lot of bad ones
but my guess is most of them are good law abiding citizens who just happen to
cross the border to get a job.
"...nobody just gets out of a car and jumps someone else, they probably did
something to provoke the whole incident."WRONG!!! I wasn't there,
and thus, don't really know what happened, but there ARE people who DO jump out
of their cars, unprovoked, and get medieval on people. It makes them feel
powerful. I don't care how big those football players were, when it's 15 on 3,
and those with the numbers are wielding weaponry, size alone won't help the
3.To those all offended by the facts that the assailants were
hispanic, with one possible caucasian, get over it. That's a highly relevant
fact. Now the police, and local vigilantes, can ignore any black, asian, or
I agree wholeheartedly that bare arms should be the right of all citizens. When
it comes to bearing arms, however, the thoughts of every yahoo on the streets
"packing" scares me to death. I'm all for self defense, but everyone packing a
firearm is not the answer--way too much room for tragic mistakes and the gunning
down of innocent bystanders. SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POLICE.
Best wishes to the victims in this tragedy. I looked up their profiles, they're
big guys, not that that matters when the attackers had weapons but I just hope
the criminals get caught soon and taken off the streets.
I find it very interesting that yesterday when I made a comment about Steve
Sanderson, the wrestling coach at Wasatch High, the Des News didn't print it
because I guess it was mean to question certain things...BUT it was perfectly
fine for the Des News to print the stuff about "those Mexicans" wjo attacked
these guys. Protect the country bumpkin, but open day on Mexicans. Get your
priorities right, Des News. I do pray these boys get better and whoever is
responsible, white, black, brown, yellow, etc., are caught.
First things first I do know that we all have a right to say our personal
opinions, but there is a time and place for everything. And this is nether.
Having said that I can proceed.
First of all I want to show my condolences to the whole Kruger family. I play
football with Joe, and David Kruger at THS, so I will tell them personally. I am
horrified at what I read in all these comments. People are sick these days and I
don't mean the people who committed the crime. First one is all the I am a
Cougar fan please keep it out of here it is very irrelevant. Next one is the
whole thing about Utah becoming a horrible state and that is crime filled,
please stop Utah is probably one of the safest states in the nation. These
things just happen occasionally, saying that its becoming crime filled just
shows how ignorant of your surroundings you are.
Then I saw some people say racist comments. You can't fight hate with hate. You
have no idea if they are in this country illegally or not. We are coming to a
point where most Hispanics under the age of 20, are born here. Then I saw some
people that say what if they had carried a weapon. It is probably for the best
that they did not carry one. Killing someone is something that a regular person
would rather avoid. Me, I would take a knife rather then kill someone, because
even if I survived, I would not be able to live. To the person who said please
vote for Mitt, go to another place to advertise. And although I know them, I
must face facts, nobody just gets out of a car and jumps someone else, they
probably did something to provoke the whole incident. I hope they recover soon.
And my prayers go out to them.
I hope they get well quick and are able to continue to play football and get an
education. Assuming that all mexicans are illegals is just wrong.
I moved to this state 17 years ago and have loved it. Even when I left for the
military I got orders to come back to Utah and jumped all over it. During my time in this state I have dated white girls and LDS girls and some
of their parents either hated me because I was mixed, not LDS or just the guy
dating their daughter. But I never labeled the rest of the people living in
this state based on my experiences with some of the parents. Even with some of
the blatent racists on this board I still won't put a label on the people in
this state.To call all mexicans illegals is just flat out offensive
and to encourage people to get a gun is just irresponsible. What are you going
to do? Shoot everyone who is brown or who speaks with an accent. Leave the
guns in your house and let the authorities deal with the crimes, you will just
end up shooting the wrong person.
This has nothing to do with the rivalry. This was a tragic, real life incident.
I went to school with Paul and played football with him in high school, and yes
I'm a BYU fan, but that doesn't matter, I hope he gets well soon.
maybe you should heed your own advice. What a ridiculous thing to say about
"Cougar fans piously announcing their allegiance". Obviously, wishing these
young men well shouldn't have anything to do with what team you root for, but
whether or not someone attaches it to the well wishes isn't a big deal either.
Let it go- this is your sick attempt at going after Cougar fans once
again and trying to find something negative about them despite their
well-wishes. Just be happy that everyone out there, Cougar, ute, or even lame
gator fan (who had to make a similar comment), are worried about and praying for
these young men.Best of luck to the three involved, as that is the
only real issue here.
Best of wishes. Greg, Paul,and David, I hope that you can all recovery quickly
and get back to doing the things that you love. Our thougths are with you and
What does Martin luther King have to do with Mexicans? Last I checked, 99.9% of
African-Americans are legal citizens?
RE: Gator Fan in Reality - You single out two comments and automatically label
the entire state and fan base? That is a little unfair wouldn't you say? I think
it is an unfair label you just plastered all over Utah and BYU fans and Utah
citizens in general. I think the real concern with everyone here is
that the young men recover and are well. My concern with the perps is that they
are caught and handle by the law the way they should be. No matter where you
live in this nation people will all react differently.
There is nothing praiseworthy about Cougarfan piously announcing his allegiance
before wishing the victims well. Good will should come without conditions.Both papers are dropping the ball if the victims are indeed reporting
that the attackers were hispanic but media are declining to publish that bit.
It's relevant to the story b/c we are a society of laws. And illegal immigrants
(incl. the vast majority of Utah's booming hispanic pop.) bring harm to a
society of laws by ignoring the law the moment they set foot in the US.Thus concealed carry becomes a regrettable necessity -- government won't
enforce the laws it enacts; illegal immigrants care little about government or
abiding by its laws (after all, they broke law to get here, and the gov't they
left was probably corrupt); hence citizens must become a government unto
themselves. Remember the Old West. Law could not keep up with
outlaw. "Vigilance Committees" were formed. Must we return to that? The
people will maintain their own order if their government can't.
This should be a lesson to all of the law abiding citizens, we have a right to
lawfully bare arms. We need to take the lawful approach and get our permit to
carry a concealed weapon so that if/when something like this happens to ourself
or to someone who is in the wrong place at the wrong time as was the case here
we can step up and do something. I have become intolerant (if thats
a word) of thugs and ghetto scrubs who play this way. Something must be done and
we can make a difference. LETS STEP UP!!!Good luck to the injured
players, I hope and pray you recover well.
Get well Paul, Greg and David. What an unfortunate thing that happened. Our
thoughts and prayers are with you.
Agreed, law abiding ctizens should get trained and carry firearms. Having been
mugged before, I can tell you that it is not a pleasant experience. The worst
part is knowing that the crack head is controlling the situation. I
carry a firearm every day and I am not LE or anything. Just a law abiding
citizen. Sorry to hear about this. As much as I hate the utes when
we line up against them in November, I wouldn't wish something like this on them
(only a 4th and 18 kind of thing). Hope they recover well.
Will Paul recover from his injuries and be able to play again? I
sure hope he heals and gets better. Best of luck to all involved and my prayers
are with you!
I do not see what the problem would have been if the boys would have been
liscensed to carry a gun and used it. They were attacked, it would have been out
of self defense. Don't we have a right to lawfully bear arms? I have
a concealed weapons permit because you never know when things like this can
happen. I carry it all the time as a matter of fact and if anyone jumps my
family and I such as this they better be able to get to my gun before I do or
they are as good as gone. I wish the boys a safe and speedy
If these kids were carrying a gun and shot the attackers Im sure the ACLU would
make sure they go to jail. Political correctness is going to destroy our
society. ACLU is destroying our country and its time we put it to a stop!
Ok, this might draw some heat but I don't ask it out of concern for the football
team. Let me make it known that first and foremost I hope that the players
involved are able to make a quick and speedy recovery. There health is first and
foremost the most important thing. I do wonder though is Paul
Krugers injury is career threatening? Will he be able to recover and play next
year? He is a huge peace of the U's defense. I certainly hope and
pray he and the others are able to heal and recover. And I hope the people who
did this cowardly like act are caught and put away.
I agree! I totally agree. It is time we as law abiding people do something, get
your ccw permits so we can actually take some action when things such as this
and other incidents such as Trolley Square happen. Arm yourself
people and lets not sit back and let the criminals and thugs run the streets!
These are good kids, have good clean fun and it is sad that they were victims of
being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope and pray for a speedy
recovery for all 3 young men.
Bad news folks. It is only going to get worse. Just like it has been for the
many years. Time to WAKE-UP and face the REALITY people. These sorts of events
are going to increase and get much worse.UNLESS... we law abiding
everyday average citizens do something. There is not enough room here to go in
to detail, but the message is the same - EITHER TAKE CONTROL OF OUR STREETS OR
GIVE THEM OVER TO THE CRIMINALS!Arm yourself. Get trained. Arm
yourself. Defend your family. Arm yourself. Form community watch groups. Arm
yourself. Defend and help your neighbor. Arm yourself. Stop being afraid of
Political Correctness. Arm yourself. Fight back against crime. Oh yeah, Arm
yourself.Talking about it on News comment boards is fine, but ACTION
is the only way. It always has been the answer, since the beginning of mankind.
Talk, combined with action. Otherwise, get out the Kleenex and be
ready to cry... because it will affect you personally. Sooner than you think. It
will continue to get worse until it will be much harder to turn it around.God bless you young men - Get well soon.
Thoughts and prayers to all injured for fast recovery.
Great comments. Very classy that we put the lives of our athletes above our
rivalry. This is real life; football is just a game.
Very sad indeed. Good luck to those guys! I hope they recover quick. We'll be
praying for them and their family and friends.
Makes me glad I work in Santa Ana,Ca. and not SLC. Never been attacked here.
God bless those young men who were attacted. May they have a full recovery.
I'm praying for a fast recovery of these athletes and their families. Get well
soon.I hope the 'perps' are caught and brought to justice.What this incident has to do with illegal immigration and Mitt Romney, I don't
I also hope the these young men fully recover, mentally as well as physically.
Please catch the attackers quickly, before anyone else gets hurt or even killed.
As unbelievable as it is, these things happen. I know from first hand
experience!!! I hope that the perps get caught and that the court system has the
courage to make an example of these low lifes! Good luck for a speedy recovery
and we hope to see all three of you on the field this fall.
best wishes for a quick and complete recovery
No one likes to see stuff like this happen to anyone. I hope that the Krugers &
the third Ute player can make a safe and full recovery and get back to their top
playing levels.If this incident happened as reported, the perps need
to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Jumping an unarmed,
outnumbered party and assaulting them with superior numbers and
weapons...cowardice at its near best.
Anyone who would like illegals to be transported back to their own country needs
to VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY!!!I AM TIRED OF SEEING AND HEARING ABOUT
CRIME COMMITTED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE ILLEGAL IN OUR COUNTRY. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE
DONE!!!!VOTE FOR MITT!!!!!
sorry Utes. We all hope the players recover wuickly and are able to continue to
It makes sense to me. There are a lot of people out there that will say
something to you, and if you say something back, that is all the reason to fight
you. Obviously these kids didn't provoke the fight therefore they didn't
deserve anything they got. Good luck boys.
Get well quickly, Greg and Krugers. OPHS and Agoura First.
Who cares if you are a Cougar or Ute fan. This is something that should have
never happened I feel fro both students... No I will not tell you what school
affiliation I have because it does not matter....
These jerks will be found and sent away for many years. They've probably already
bragged about it and now it's just a matter of someone coming forward.Paul
is tougher than two sacks of nails and he will come through this. Thank you to
all Cougar fans who posted on this site and sent their good wishes. That is pure
You need to take back your comments.....they have no business being published
here. My son was at the party.A bunch of people drove up in a car
and started jawing at some partygoers on the lawn. Someone middle-fingered the
car and it drove off. ONLY AFTER this incident did the Krugers come out of the
house. Then the car returned, the perps got out, and they began fighting with
anyone they could find. The players in question were only outside because they
were leaving........they were not even witnesses to the original verbal
altercation.Please do not try to tear down the reputation of these
fine young men by passing judgment on a situation you have no knowledge of.
My thoughts exactly. Where is the rest of the story?
Speedy recovery to all three men. As a Ute fan I hope to see them back on the
field, more importantly as a fellow human being I wish them a healthy recovery.
My families prayers and thoughts are with you.
Doesn't seem to 'add up.' Just walking down the street - got jumped - umm.
Anyone really surprised though that even good guys are in danger at U partys?
Salt Lake is the new armpit of the state. Good news Ogden!
Get better, Ute players. We'er all praying for you guys. I hope they can find
the people responsible for this terrible act. Good luck, guys!
Here is to a quick recovery. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Unbelievable! Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims.
Count me as another Cougar fan praying for a quick recovery for the 3 Utes who
were attacked and quick (and severe) justice for their cowardly attackers. I
hope all appropriate law enforcement resources are dedicated to apprehending the
perpetrators. We can't let our streets or our lives be governed by petty thugs.
I don't know the third Ute, but the Kruger bros. are a class act. Good Luck.
Horrid! Get well soon! All we true blue Cougars want you to recover.
Usually when I read stories like this, I assume that the athletes are involved
in the "wrong" circles and somehow provoked the attack. However, in
this case, I can unequivocably say that Paul and David Kruger are good, solid
citizens and are upstanding men. My sympathies go out to them and their injured
teammate and I wish them a speedy recovery.May the attackers be
brought to justice!
Classy comments Cougar fans.
this non-sense, catch these guys as a knife is as ruthless as a gun. the streets
are turning into a killing zone, harming or ending someone's life is not worth
it!And #77, take care and we love U!!
we seem to live in a world where courage is proved by how many can assualt one
or two, especially those who are unarmed. cowardice rules.
I'm a Cougar fan too. I wish the best for these guys. Here's to hoping they
can get back on their feet quickly.
While I am a dyed in the wool Cougar, our thoughts and prayers are with these
victims. These are the things that put our rivalry into perspective. God bless
all affected by this gross injustice, and may the police catch those
perpetrators so it won't happen again.
I'm a Cougar fan, but I hate hearing about stuff like this involving any
athlete. I hope these guys recover quickly.
Paul Kruger looks just like his Dad at that age. I'm praying for a speedy
recovery for all of these boys. (OLd Seminary teacher to the ELder Paul 30 years