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Published: Saturday, Jan. 19 2008 12:44 a.m. MST

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Jerry

I guess I missed something concerning the LDS church condoning illeagl immigration. To be humanistic is not the same as condoning or ignoring the laws of a country.

SRS in AZ

I thought we were supposed to obey the laws of the land. It is against the LAW to enter this country illegally. Is the church being hypocritical on this?

arc

I agree that we need to be "Civil" about those that are her illegally. Many came here legally. Our own immigration laws have put them in a no win zone. We do need to solve some basics, and need to start there.

We need to stop people coming in to the country without knowing who the are. Secure boarders.
We need to stop the identity theft system that many illegals use, and create some alternative way of tracking them. Fines for using someone else's identity should be harsh.

We do need to fix the system. If people can't get work here, they will go home. It is amazing that people have been in this country for decades and are not legal. It takes a broke system to create that nightmare and it isn't going to be fixed by getting a train a shipping illegals back to Mexico...
What boarder do you send them to, as many are from all over the world?

Ray

All they said was, "Be compassionate. Remember that these are human beings involved." How can anyone in their right mind take exception to that?

Anonymous

Why is everyone so paranoid about Desnews editing out comments? There are always so many controversial and opinionated comments on here...I just don't get it.

TBrooke

This is a tough issue. I live in Calif and just recently they made 3 Spanish Dependent Branches in our Stake. These are good members. Just throwing them across the border is not the answer. Who will run the dairies, mow our lawns, and do whatever manual labor we as a society have grown acustom to? You might notice the economy is trouble. This will make it much worse.

Barbara

this is exactly how it would be if romney were elected president. the LDS would control his actions.

Bob, settle down

You're reading things into this article that just aren't there. Where did anyone say anything about not obeying immigration laws? And no, it wasn't implied, either. I am a staunch conservative and strongly believe that illegal immigration is a significant problem that has to be reigned in, but I, like the church, have been appalled at some of the vicious, bigoted things and outrageous generalizations that have been said about the illegals themselves. It is entirely appropriate for everyone on all sides of this issue--or any issue for that matter--to take a step back and remember that real people with real families, though different from our own, will be affected by what we do. Don't just assume that the LDS church is being disingenuous or implying anything other than exactly what they said. Is everything an LDS conspiracy to you?

Dawn Davis

Re: Bob I don't think it has anything to do with illegals joining the church.
I think it has to do with remembering who we are and who they are and realizing that we are not so different. That they and our ancestors came to America for the same reasons. To have a better life.
I don't know how to fix the laws, but I do know that I should be nice to my neighbors and accepting of those who are different.

Mimi

Rob, are you referring to obedience to Christ's commandment to love one another?

Ummm

Ok Bob, they aren't breaking the law! They are simply reminding people that yes, we do need order and rules, however, there are those who are forgetting that we are dealing with people here, not animals. They are reminding people to keep that fact in mind. They are not telling them to step aside and let them all do as they please.

Just curious Bob

Did Mr. Cannon edit any of your ramblings out?

Frank

The crime rate of illegal aliens is sky high. Those sitting in high places in the church are like the politicians in Washington. They are not exposed to these criminals in their everyday lives and want to send their welcome messages to them. I am going to re-evaluate my desire to pay tithing to the church who has liberals who go against the law and the laws of the church. Just read the 12th Article of Faith. (We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the LAW.)

Stewart

"We should not demonize" illegal immigrants." The Church is right about this, and it shouldn't have to be said. However, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't "demonize" the cheap labor employers that hire them. The illegal aliens in a way are victims of the cheap labor employers and our government that has enabled them. Also, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't pass and enforce laws that stop the employment of those that are illegally in the country, so that they will simply leave, as work becomes difficult to find.
Remember the LDS Church(and Catholics as well) has its own reasons, just as cheap labor employers do, in enabling illegal immigration into the United States. That is their right, but it is also the right of citizens (including Mormons) to act in what they feel is the best interest of the state. The Church in this case has had a tendency to ignore that pesky 12th Article of Faith. The Church has a world wide missionary program that can save souls in any country south of the border just as well as the in the United States. This is not a moral issue, it is economic.

Anonymous

If there was a god, Joseph Smith would have been still born to save humanity his arrogance.

Tongue in Cheek

I think all illegals should be rounded up with their families, piled in the back of trucks like cattle, and deported. Oh, and while your at it throw in Bob and Carl. Seems like they ALL missed the point.

Watch out, Brethren

The church entered the debate a couple of years ago with a subtle, hardly noticed, change. They now will allow illegal aliens to serve as missionaries without returning to their home country. This puts the church in the position of aiding, abetting, and harboring. They are fully aware of the immigration status of the missionary and make his mission assignment to compensate (hence, they serve in the US to avoid crossing any borders).
Prior to that, the church could claim that they are not immigration agents and they have no business in members' lives until convicted.
So, the LDS version of "don't ask, don't tell" crossed the line.
As for being humane in our laws, how do they expect to create any semblance of deterrence without getting strong on enforcement? When the church has a General Conference talk encouraging members without lawful presence to return to their homeland and grow the church back home, give us a call.
Talks on tolerance are what got us here in the first place.

What?!

How dare the Church allow Democrats to be members. That's just wrong!

To pose a question

The laws of the land are intended for people; therefore, only people can obey, or violate the laws. Therefore, interjecting a "compassion" factor because we are dealing with "humanity" is essentially meaningless as we are always dealing with "humanity" with regard to the violation of laws. Obviously, this just a cover for another agenda.

Mass illegal immigration has caused deterioration in the quality of life, ruined the schools, and massive budget deficits in California. Many Californians have come to Utah to escape that wretched mess. So why create incentives for more illegal aliens to come, or stay, in Utah??

They have broken the law, and should return to their native countries. This is the consequence of violating the law, and I, and most Americans, see nothing wrong, or uncompassionate in that.

Wayne

To Provojo: How simple miinded are you? Does your view mean terrorists were led here by God?

Re Church comments on treating all people as human beings: Of course, but enforce the law...OK, do it with compassion, but enforce it. To me, the inference of the article is the Church wants illegals to be accepted.

I am also amazed that leaders meet with state politicians annually. Really?

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