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Yapias is wrong | 2:56 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Mr. Yapias is wrong. Most solutions come from the grass roots level and make
their way to Washington, who then takes credit for "solving" the
problem. Sen. Hickman needs to pursue this fiercely. It may be the only issue
that will keep voters minds off the voucher debacle.
Mr. Yapias needs to decide what team he is playing for.
Mr. Yapias needs to decide what team he is playing for.
Wayne | 3:31 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Police officers come across illegal aliens all the time. Why not cross-deputize
some of them (or all of them!) so that those found in the country illegally by
officers of the law can be deported? It sounds like a good idea to me.
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Minutemen | 3:34 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Mr. Yapias is wrong. Almost all solutions come from the grassroots level. Its
the American way. The politicians in Washington just take the credit. If the
good people in Mexico would learn that they can make a difference, instead of
just waiting for someone in Mexico City to do it for them maybe they
wouldn't feel the need to move here illegally. Sen. Hickman needs to pursue
this with dogged determination. It may be the only issue that saves some of them
from the voters who are sick of their shenanigans with vouchers.
Bob G | 4:14 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Once an illegal is arrested they should never be released of given bail, they
have no constitutional rights. If we can't keep them then put them on a bus
back to mexico. If they can't speak engilsh then it is very obvious they
are illegals and no quarters should be given. If they had legal status they
would have the legal documents to prove that status. Along with deporting those
arrssted the families should be arrested along with them and deported on the
same bus. The illegals are not going to deport themselves so drastic measure are
needed to cut them off and get rid of them. Any possesions were illegaly
obtained, so confiscate it and sell it to fund the operation, just as it is used
by drug enforcement. Send the ACLU and mexican embassy personnel with them, they
are also acting criminally and against the american laws.
Alive | 6:21 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Yapias realizes that Washington will NEVER move on this. Go, Utah State
Legislature! Lets get a handle on this big problem!
Anonymous | 6:26 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I look like I could be an illegal alien and I do not want the police always
singling me out and stopping me, asking for papers. Do not have local law
enforcement do this job. It isn't fair.
One Vote | 7:18 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
The objective ought to be to make Utah less attractive to illegals. We have a
soft spot in our hearts to begin with, as con men will attest. Any effort to
send a "Don't even THINK ABOUT coming to Utah if you are
illegal," message will be appreciated. The National Conference of State
Legislatures has a great website and tracks the bills introduced around the
country. It is worth a look if you are a state rep. lacking ideas of your own.
DahktaD | 7:21 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Utah is creating this mess and increased migration of illegal aliens to Utah, by
legitimizing their illegal presence by providing a Driver Privilege Card. Utah
is one of 7 states that do. As conditions get more uncomfortable in the other 43
states for illegals, they will move to states like Utah.
Another obstacle, are Utah employers. Utah portrays itself as the moral high ground of the United States. It's safe to say, a large percentage of the business owners share a pew every Sunday. Put where is their moral compass when they flaunt the law by hiring illegal aliens? Do they not have intergrity or is greed more of their life's direction?
And then we have politicians, cowardly, spineless, who have no sense in the value of our US Constitution. They follow the drummer of the politically correct 'band'...while our country disintegrates into a third world cesspool of violence. Read crime stats...10% of the population committing 70% of the crime. And there are people like Yapias...significant only in his own mind.
Wake up Utah...fight for your state, your families, YOUR CONSTITUTION...it will be gone before you know it.
Another obstacle, are Utah employers. Utah portrays itself as the moral high ground of the United States. It's safe to say, a large percentage of the business owners share a pew every Sunday. Put where is their moral compass when they flaunt the law by hiring illegal aliens? Do they not have intergrity or is greed more of their life's direction?
And then we have politicians, cowardly, spineless, who have no sense in the value of our US Constitution. They follow the drummer of the politically correct 'band'...while our country disintegrates into a third world cesspool of violence. Read crime stats...10% of the population committing 70% of the crime. And there are people like Yapias...significant only in his own mind.
Wake up Utah...fight for your state, your families, YOUR CONSTITUTION...it will be gone before you know it.
Kia | 7:43 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I agree with the previous posters; this needs to start in the community, not
Washington. Washington doesn't care! In fact, it's in the best
interest of the people in Washington NOT to pay attention or do anything,
because then they'd all lose most of their illegal-immigrant empolyees and
housing staff!
But further than that, we need to get our troops OUT of places overseas that no longer pose a threat to us (like Japan!), and set them up along our borders HERE. My son, who is proudly serving in the military, took an oath to protect and defend THIS country from invaders, not any other nation. We are being actively invaded every day, and don't have the resources to combat that invasion because our troops are overseas in places they have no business being. Bring them home, set them up on the borders, and give them orders to treat anyone who attempts to cross as the hostile invading force they are. GUARANTEED, that would stem the tide.
But further than that, we need to get our troops OUT of places overseas that no longer pose a threat to us (like Japan!), and set them up along our borders HERE. My son, who is proudly serving in the military, took an oath to protect and defend THIS country from invaders, not any other nation. We are being actively invaded every day, and don't have the resources to combat that invasion because our troops are overseas in places they have no business being. Bring them home, set them up on the borders, and give them orders to treat anyone who attempts to cross as the hostile invading force they are. GUARANTEED, that would stem the tide.
Utah Pioneer | 8:08 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Authorize every legal resident of the state of Utah to report and detain illegal
aliens. Start in the schools when they bring their illegal children for a free
education. Just call the police and pick up the kids, the parents will follow.
SLK | 8:09 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I hope this passes. Unlike anonymous I think this can be done very fairly. If
someone is stopped for any illegal activity and a check of their identity found
they were illegal they would be deported. I do not think we should ignore
illegal activity because the person might be offended.
Anonymous | 8:24 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
The term "immigration" refers to a person entering our country under
legal or illegal status, which status is determined by federal laws, not state
laws. This is a national problem that cannot be fixed by enacting local laws. We
as a nation have ignored too long the need to allow documented workers to enter
the country legally that now we are having to deal with the effects of an
outdated immigration policy. Enforcing an outdated law won't solve
today's issues.
Pony Express | 8:30 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I volunteer my van. I can take 27 to the border and I promise not to roll it
on the way!
Deport all illegals | 8:35 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
including the illegal polygamist families throughout the state. Round up all
suspected polygamists and stop all others that look like possible polygamists:
blonde, blue-eyed toe-heads. When the dominant population begins to feel what
it's like to be profiled, some may begin to feel with a heart. While
undocumented or illegal immigrants should not be here, the unbridled and
misguided anger toward anything "mexican" is creating a powder keg
that will only get worse.... and you'll wonder why.
Another bad idea | 8:58 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
This is a tragedy. Clearly education is the way to improve the economy and the
qualify of like for the human beings (they are people just like us) that want to
live in Utah. They add value and diversity to our community and we should care
about their rights too. Local police lack the training and education to deal
with federal immigration laws. Passing this legislation would just be cruel and
ignorant.
Economic Costs of Illegals | 9:14 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
As the governor contemplates the "economic impact" he should take into
account the cost that the taxpayers bear, including: free health care, free
public education, the cost of incarceration, the impact of illegal drugs being
transported by illegals, the loss of jobs for our youth given to illegals at
lower wages ("jobs americans won't do"--yeah right), and the
balkanization of the English language and American heritage. I submit that the
costs are way too burdensome, in both financial and human terms.
Utah must follow Georgia, S.C., and Arizona and pass tough laws against illegal immigration.
I favor LEGAL immigration, not illegal. It is time for the legislature to act..now, otherwise the illegals will continue to pour into Utah.
We can start by cutting off all assistance to illegals.
Diversity is not the goal here, nor should it be. Forget diversity, but rather focus on being an American first. Otherwise, why come here?
Illegal aliens have no rights as they have illegally entered the U.S. and are not citizens. I fail to see what the confusion is over this point.
Utah must follow Georgia, S.C., and Arizona and pass tough laws against illegal immigration.
I favor LEGAL immigration, not illegal. It is time for the legislature to act..now, otherwise the illegals will continue to pour into Utah.
We can start by cutting off all assistance to illegals.
Diversity is not the goal here, nor should it be. Forget diversity, but rather focus on being an American first. Otherwise, why come here?
Illegal aliens have no rights as they have illegally entered the U.S. and are not citizens. I fail to see what the confusion is over this point.
Anonymous | 9:31 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"If we had all of our local, county and state law enforcement trained and
authorized ... there's not enough jail space," Bramble said.
"Jail space" assumes a full scale prison with cement walls, iron bars, etc., etc.
Maricopa County Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio has proved that you don't need such full-scale prisons in order to contain illegal immigrants you've caught. Just throw up a guarded tent city with portolets and your problem is solved. Illegals don't like these conditions? No one made them come here.
When did we come to the idea that every jail has to be built with all the expense of a 5 star hotel?
"Jail space" assumes a full scale prison with cement walls, iron bars, etc., etc.
Maricopa County Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio has proved that you don't need such full-scale prisons in order to contain illegal immigrants you've caught. Just throw up a guarded tent city with portolets and your problem is solved. Illegals don't like these conditions? No one made them come here.
When did we come to the idea that every jail has to be built with all the expense of a 5 star hotel?
C. Omeo | 9:36 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Does Tony Yapias, or the Proyecto de Latino de Utah, speak for illegal
immigrants? Why wouldn't legal Latino immigrants support a local
crackdown? Yes, they may be inconvenienced, but as it is, they're being
painted with the same brush as the illegal immigrant (and often Hispanic)
criminals featured almost everyday in the news.
Mexico must be very pleased with the current arrangement. They're among the wealthiest nations of the world, but they export millions without high school educations to make money in the U.S. and remit that money back to Mexico. Further, we seem to get a bevy of criminals (estimated 2 million!).
It's a Faustian bargain for us. While we get the benefit of inexpensive labor, we also have to provide services for these workers and their invariably large families. We need to recognize that even if we could afford to admit anyone who wants to be here, it will come at a price (social and economic) and that it's unfair to favor illegals over legal immigrants.
Last: Anyone supporting amnesty of illegal immigrants should take a tour of L.A. or maybe even Glendale. We need to be selective. Hopping a fence should not be the de facto criterion.
Mexico must be very pleased with the current arrangement. They're among the wealthiest nations of the world, but they export millions without high school educations to make money in the U.S. and remit that money back to Mexico. Further, we seem to get a bevy of criminals (estimated 2 million!).
It's a Faustian bargain for us. While we get the benefit of inexpensive labor, we also have to provide services for these workers and their invariably large families. We need to recognize that even if we could afford to admit anyone who wants to be here, it will come at a price (social and economic) and that it's unfair to favor illegals over legal immigrants.
Last: Anyone supporting amnesty of illegal immigrants should take a tour of L.A. or maybe even Glendale. We need to be selective. Hopping a fence should not be the de facto criterion.
Anonymous | 9:40 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"[Illegal immigrants] add value and diversity to our community and we
should care about their rights too." - Another Bad Idea
Gee, ABI, thanks for yet another bad idea. I have just run through the Constitution and didn't once come across the word "diversity." Perhaps you can point it out to me?
The purpose of the United States and its government is not to "celebrate diversity" but to protect "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." It is to "preserve the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity" - not the posterity of every random person from every random country in the world who chooses to come here legally or otherwise.
And I do not recall Americans celebrating immigration to California all that much. Over the last 2 decades millions of American citizens have fled California because of the harm caused to that state caused by immigration, especially of the illegal kind. California is now (yet again) in a deep budget crisis ($14 billion and climbing) and its schools are barely above Mississippi's in quality. (That last is not an exaggeration - check the NAEP scores to verify it for yourself).
Gee, ABI, thanks for yet another bad idea. I have just run through the Constitution and didn't once come across the word "diversity." Perhaps you can point it out to me?
The purpose of the United States and its government is not to "celebrate diversity" but to protect "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." It is to "preserve the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity" - not the posterity of every random person from every random country in the world who chooses to come here legally or otherwise.
And I do not recall Americans celebrating immigration to California all that much. Over the last 2 decades millions of American citizens have fled California because of the harm caused to that state caused by immigration, especially of the illegal kind. California is now (yet again) in a deep budget crisis ($14 billion and climbing) and its schools are barely above Mississippi's in quality. (That last is not an exaggeration - check the NAEP scores to verify it for yourself).
H. Tlar | 9:41 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Same old same old. Right, lets take children out of school by the police, now
there is an American idea. If it were not for the blood and sweat of our
immigrant community at stake, I would love to see you all get your dream, and
try to figure out how to live your lives afterward. Oh, and police are not that
wild about having ICE enforcement, sorry, not their job. Any one of you want a
job cleaning, around 2am. We have a job for you!
Wilkey | 9:42 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"Local police lack the training and education to deal with federal
immigration laws. Passing this legislation would just be cruel and
ignorant."
Actually, signing an agreement with the Feds to enforce immigration laws requires training in immigration laws, which is provided by the Feds. SO "lack of training" is not a legitimate excuse for doing nothing.
It appears that you are the ignorant one.
Actually, signing an agreement with the Feds to enforce immigration laws requires training in immigration laws, which is provided by the Feds. SO "lack of training" is not a legitimate excuse for doing nothing.
It appears that you are the ignorant one.
Mahershalalhashbaz | 9:53 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
If you want to stop illegal immigrants coming to Utah in droves, the first thing
that needs to be done is vote out Huntsman in the coming election. He provides
the incentives, meets with the Mexican Presidents so he can figure out more ways
to get more illegals here. Heck he even hires them to be school teachers
(another job Americans must not be willing to do!)
Anonymous | 10:08 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"If you want to stop illegal immigrants coming to Utah in droves, the first
thing that needs to be done is vote out Huntsman in the coming
election."
Indeed. This is one Republican who plans to do just that. The problem, I fear, is that the good sheeple of Utah will continue to vote without thinking first.
Indeed. This is one Republican who plans to do just that. The problem, I fear, is that the good sheeple of Utah will continue to vote without thinking first.
John Reynolds | 10:16 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
We must get a handle on these people before it gets out of hand. What ever
happened to the I9 form ?
Porkey | 10:30 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Congratulations to Rep. Donaldson for his effort. Hopefully, some of those cross
deputized should be alloted to do the investigation of those employing the
illegals. And maybe starting with those in business owned by members of the
legislature.
Jake | 10:46 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
To "another bad idea"" they bring adversity alright,they are not
adverse to selling/using drugs,robbing killing,raping,etc. The MAJORITY of the
crimes commited in UT are commited by Hispanics who have no legal status.Send
them home by whatever means,just send them home !!
Too many BLEEDING HEARTS don't help the problem only proliferate it.
Too many BLEEDING HEARTS don't help the problem only proliferate it.
Porkey | 10:50 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Conratulations to Rep.Donaldson for his effort. We should all get behind it.
At least it's an effort to do something about the illegals, the feds
can't. Some of those officers cross deputized should start by examining
the employment status of those working for members of our legislatures.
ME | 11:25 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I agree that something needs to be done, unfortunately there are so many things
need to be looked at, like..
1-Kids that were born here they can�t be deported so then you create another problem to the people that look for those kids (government, relatives, friends, etc).
2-Those job positions that will be �open� with a 2.8 unemployment rate who will be hired, something to think about too and remember we are not talking blue collar jobs here. A good example is JBS (also known as Miller in Hyrum, UT), after ICE came over a year ago; they haven�t been able to run their production line at 100%, sad but true.
3-Something else that some people don�t realize is that cheap labor equals to none expensive products, so if all these jobs are filled with legal workers companies will not be able to pay cheap labor so they will increase their final prices, which all consumers will end up paying. How much?
1-Kids that were born here they can�t be deported so then you create another problem to the people that look for those kids (government, relatives, friends, etc).
2-Those job positions that will be �open� with a 2.8 unemployment rate who will be hired, something to think about too and remember we are not talking blue collar jobs here. A good example is JBS (also known as Miller in Hyrum, UT), after ICE came over a year ago; they haven�t been able to run their production line at 100%, sad but true.
3-Something else that some people don�t realize is that cheap labor equals to none expensive products, so if all these jobs are filled with legal workers companies will not be able to pay cheap labor so they will increase their final prices, which all consumers will end up paying. How much?
tgm | 11:30 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
It is a simple fix, they are illegal, lets enforce the law, send them back to
Mexico. I voted for English only in this state what happened to that? I for
one get very angry having to push 1 for English we are AMERICANS, obey the law,
thats what it is there for.
Paul in Mexifornia | 11:51 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I'm tired of my taxes paying for the education of illegals, emergency room
visits for primary health care for illegals, and prison costs for illegals.
Note to you small minded liberals- It's not a racial issue, it's pure
economics. How dare you liberals and illegals tell me that I should pay for the
education, health care, and welfare programs of illegals. I have my own family
to care for- get the illegals out of the country for which my ancestors spilled
their blood to give me this birthright. You liberals want to give it away for
free to illegals who want nothing more than to take back the land they say was
stolen from Mexico.
Anonymous | 12:02 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
To: Deport all illegals | 8:35 a.m. Jan. 16, 2008
The legal immigrants are tired of the bad rap they are getting from the border tunnel/jumpers. If you are dealing drugs and you are caught, I hope the local authorities soon have the right to incarcerate/deport you. If you are a person who looks like "a person of interest" to police, change your ways! Truly become a citizen of the USA. Tell your illegal immigrant friends and family to take the gang mentality and drug dealing ways back to...
And to those who say, who will do the cleaning jobs... I hire a single mother who is a US citizen and white. She AND her children appreciate the money she makes. It keeps them off any public assistance. I am quite capable of doing the jobs myself, but I enjoy helping others, willing to help themselves, when I can.
When I was younger I worked as a maid.
The legal immigrants are tired of the bad rap they are getting from the border tunnel/jumpers. If you are dealing drugs and you are caught, I hope the local authorities soon have the right to incarcerate/deport you. If you are a person who looks like "a person of interest" to police, change your ways! Truly become a citizen of the USA. Tell your illegal immigrant friends and family to take the gang mentality and drug dealing ways back to...
And to those who say, who will do the cleaning jobs... I hire a single mother who is a US citizen and white. She AND her children appreciate the money she makes. It keeps them off any public assistance. I am quite capable of doing the jobs myself, but I enjoy helping others, willing to help themselves, when I can.
When I was younger I worked as a maid.
Anonymous | 12:05 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"Kids that were born here they can�t be deported so
then you create another problem to the people that look for those kids
(government, relatives, friends, etc)."
The government does not have the job of looking after them. If their parents can find someone willing to look after them here they can stay. If not they go home with their parents.
"Those job positions that will be �open� with a 2.8 unemployment rate who will be hired, something to think about too and remember we are not talking blue collar jobs here."
The national rate is over 5% and climbing. Only 36% of teenagers 15-19 had a job last summer. If they can't fill those jobs then they invest in equipment, raise the pay or hire teenagers. These jobs used to almost all be done by legal Americans.
"cheap labor equals to none expensive products, so if all these jobs are filled with legal workers companies will not be able to pay cheap labor so they will increase [the price of products].
We're paying now, just in a different way - paying for new roads, new schools, ad nauseum.
The government does not have the job of looking after them. If their parents can find someone willing to look after them here they can stay. If not they go home with their parents.
"Those job positions that will be �open� with a 2.8 unemployment rate who will be hired, something to think about too and remember we are not talking blue collar jobs here."
The national rate is over 5% and climbing. Only 36% of teenagers 15-19 had a job last summer. If they can't fill those jobs then they invest in equipment, raise the pay or hire teenagers. These jobs used to almost all be done by legal Americans.
"cheap labor equals to none expensive products, so if all these jobs are filled with legal workers companies will not be able to pay cheap labor so they will increase [the price of products].
We're paying now, just in a different way - paying for new roads, new schools, ad nauseum.
Manuel | 12:07 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
What would an officer look for?
1. color of skin
2. Driver does not speak English
3. How about Canadians? do they get a free ride?
People should ask themselves how would I feel if my son/daughter marries a person of color? and then and only then your true colors will come up.
I do Agree that English must be the official language.
1. color of skin
2. Driver does not speak English
3. How about Canadians? do they get a free ride?
People should ask themselves how would I feel if my son/daughter marries a person of color? and then and only then your true colors will come up.
I do Agree that English must be the official language.
Frustrated | 12:09 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Wow I can not believe how many racists there are, most people posting a comment
on this issue are just saying "round them up and ship them back" these
are human beings not animals. The person with the idea of rounding them up and
placing them in tents to hold them, what is wrong with you? Are you a Nazi
instead of jewish people you are after "illegal immigrants" when you
know that what you really want is all hispanics out of your country.
Unless you are Native American at one point your ancestors immigrated to North America too, not only that they masacred the people already living in the area.
I don't for one second believe that any of you want legal or illegal immigrants here. What you want is for your state and country to round up any body that is different than you, people that don't fit in to your perfect world.
You people will never be happy because if you do get your way you'll just move on the the next thing not fitting into your world, you'll want to get rid of gays, abortion, etc., it's a never ending list for ignorant people.
Unless you are Native American at one point your ancestors immigrated to North America too, not only that they masacred the people already living in the area.
I don't for one second believe that any of you want legal or illegal immigrants here. What you want is for your state and country to round up any body that is different than you, people that don't fit in to your perfect world.
You people will never be happy because if you do get your way you'll just move on the the next thing not fitting into your world, you'll want to get rid of gays, abortion, etc., it's a never ending list for ignorant people.
Deportation | 12:13 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS regardless of why they are here, or where they
originated from.
Stop wasting time and tax dollars. Do it now!
DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Stop wasting time and tax dollars. Do it now!
DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Matt | 12:17 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Contrary to what some of the people posting on this article have stated, even
illegal immigrants have rights and are protected under the Constitution.
I'm a Border Patrol Agent on the southwest border, and am living the
illegal immigration issue every day. Cross-training local law enforcement to
determine citizenship is a good idea, and it works. The vast majority of calls
that we get from local authorities involve traffic stops, domestic issues, and
other sometimes more serious crimes perpetrated by individuals that don't
have any identification or proof of citizenship. In my opinion, profiling is
not an issue in these cases. Cross-training does not mean that these local
officers are going to go out of their way to arrest suspected illegal aliens.
They will just perform those cross-designated duties as part of their regular
duties. It's not a cure-all to the problem, but in my educated opinion, it
will help.
To: ME@11:25 | 12:23 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
1-
The kids CAN go with them. I would take my children with me.
2-
Many areas will have reduced production until those jobs are filled by the MANY citizens who need work. It may encourage some to move to Hyrum or elsewhere to get instant employment. That will only improve the local economy since the money will be spent locally not sent back to Mexico.
The unemployment rate only includes those actively searching AND using Job Service to find a job.
3-
I would rather pay a lot more for all the products than continue to pay for the increased crime (increased insurance)rate, the overcrowded schools, the social and public services, the uninsured automobile (auto ins increase), the increased medical expenses to cover the "free" care they get in the emergency rooms for a cold...
We do need to secure the borders. We also need to make it impossible and uncomfortable for them to stay here in Utah. An illegal immigrant camp (with a minimum stay 6 months while papers are processed) in the desert of southern Utah in a tent/compound using the National Guard... sounds great!
The kids CAN go with them. I would take my children with me.
2-
Many areas will have reduced production until those jobs are filled by the MANY citizens who need work. It may encourage some to move to Hyrum or elsewhere to get instant employment. That will only improve the local economy since the money will be spent locally not sent back to Mexico.
The unemployment rate only includes those actively searching AND using Job Service to find a job.
3-
I would rather pay a lot more for all the products than continue to pay for the increased crime (increased insurance)rate, the overcrowded schools, the social and public services, the uninsured automobile (auto ins increase), the increased medical expenses to cover the "free" care they get in the emergency rooms for a cold...
We do need to secure the borders. We also need to make it impossible and uncomfortable for them to stay here in Utah. An illegal immigrant camp (with a minimum stay 6 months while papers are processed) in the desert of southern Utah in a tent/compound using the National Guard... sounds great!
Anonymous | 12:32 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I'm a DEA agent in California- guess who's selling heroin, meth, and
coke to your children---Mexican Nationals- no surprise there eh. Contrary to
popular opinion- not all illegals come here to work, they come here to make
money-there's a big difference. I can't even begin to count the
number of Mexican Nationals I've arrested runnning dope and guns- they do
their time in Federal prison, get deported, and come right back. The Mexican
gangs and cartels are threatening our American way of life- get it!!
Federal Issue? | 12:40 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I've yet to see anyone complain when State and local authorities help
enforce federal gun laws, or federal civil rights legislation, or federal
anti-discrimination laws. Nobody gets exercised if State and local authorities
work with the feds in helping to prevent or solve terrorism cases.
But mention immigration and suddenly the open-borders La Raza crowd comes out of the wood work with a zeal for federalism not known since the Confederacy seceded. It would comical were it not so predictable and hypocritical.
If and when 50% of hispanics are not illegal aliens, skin color won't be much of an indication of immigration status. Even today, I'd expect that lack of English language skills, lack of proper driver license, and lack of insurance would be far more important than skin color or surname in helping officers decide who might need a second look.
If 90%+ of the illegal aliens in this nation looked and sounded like I do, I'd plan on carrying my driver license and passport with me AND I'd be doing something to reduce that number.
There are things (eg securing the border) that Utah can't do. But there is a lot we can and should do.
But mention immigration and suddenly the open-borders La Raza crowd comes out of the wood work with a zeal for federalism not known since the Confederacy seceded. It would comical were it not so predictable and hypocritical.
If and when 50% of hispanics are not illegal aliens, skin color won't be much of an indication of immigration status. Even today, I'd expect that lack of English language skills, lack of proper driver license, and lack of insurance would be far more important than skin color or surname in helping officers decide who might need a second look.
If 90%+ of the illegal aliens in this nation looked and sounded like I do, I'd plan on carrying my driver license and passport with me AND I'd be doing something to reduce that number.
There are things (eg securing the border) that Utah can't do. But there is a lot we can and should do.
Lori | 12:59 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I can speak first hand on this subject because, my fiance has been deported for
the 2nd time.. he has spent the last 6 mths in a federal prison.. for all of you
that think you know it all, if you are an illegal they dont release you on
bail.. duh.. they put you in jail for many monthes (6-9) then they deport you,
if you come back, they put you in the "Hilton" or a federal prison,
mine has been there for almost a year.. the reason he came back was becasue I
was pregnant and he wanted to be there for the birth of his son, and WORK to
support his family so I wouldnt need state assistance, unlike my white dead beat
ex who hasnt paid child suport for 6 mths..and what kind of comment was that?
lets just go to the school, call the police and arrest the children..if they are
born here they are legal..everyone has rights, and everyone deserves freedom and
a happy life.. by the way my fiance lived in SLC for 15 yrs, and PAID TAXES..
some of you should be deported just for your ignorant commments on this
board.....
Mark Lane | 1:01 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
What should be happening RIGHT NOW is that anyone booked for an offense in any
jurisdiction should be checked to see if they are legal or not. If they are
found to be an illegal alien, they should be physically turned over to ICE
custody after they have served their time and fines paid. Their fingerprints,
photograph, and offense would then be on the books so that they would then not
be eligible for citizenship. Does anyone know if anything like this is happening
now?
Fearful | 1:04 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
I am white, I work in a profession that helps children, I volunteer with local
organizations that promote education, I have friends, a life here in Utah that
I've built and I love.
I'm productive and I give to this community because I love it. But because of government screw ups with paperwork I became illegal two years ago even though I had been here six years previous.
60% of illegal immigrants are non-hispanic. You'd be amazed at how many people think the government should make an exception for people like me. Not because of what I do to help people, but because I'm white.
Too much of this issue is clouded by racism. The truth is that the government needs a better way to let people come here legally. I'm certain that less immigrants would engage in illegal activity if they could provide for their families legally.
The system is unjust, as are the people who support it apparently.
I live in fear of losing everything I have everyday because of a screwed up system and a people steeped in ignorance.
God Bless America!
I'm productive and I give to this community because I love it. But because of government screw ups with paperwork I became illegal two years ago even though I had been here six years previous.
60% of illegal immigrants are non-hispanic. You'd be amazed at how many people think the government should make an exception for people like me. Not because of what I do to help people, but because I'm white.
Too much of this issue is clouded by racism. The truth is that the government needs a better way to let people come here legally. I'm certain that less immigrants would engage in illegal activity if they could provide for their families legally.
The system is unjust, as are the people who support it apparently.
I live in fear of losing everything I have everyday because of a screwed up system and a people steeped in ignorance.
God Bless America!
Stop the illegals | 1:09 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Want to find the illegals, know who they are? Simple solution - just give the
taxpayers a federal and state tax deduction for every one they report.If someone
turns in a legal mexican, then the pay extra on taxes. Turn in a illegal one,
get money through tax deduction. Simple, easy way to find those who believe they
are above the US Law.
Fed-up! | 1:10 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
Just get them, line them up and send them home. We are tired of their drugs and
crimes. Everyday a new crime. Not so good news for once a peaceful Utah.
Wilkey | 1:11 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"the reason he came back was becasue I was pregnant and he wanted to be
there for the birth of his son, and WORK to support his family"
Why didn't you apply for residence in his home country and go back with him?
"some of you should be deported just for your ignorant commments on this board..."
The way this country is going in a few years I may very well want to be deported.
"everyone deserves freedom and a happy life"
Indeed, but we, the people of these United States, are not legally or morally obligated to provide that for anyone but US citizens. We simply don't have the resources.
Why didn't you apply for residence in his home country and go back with him?
"some of you should be deported just for your ignorant commments on this board..."
The way this country is going in a few years I may very well want to be deported.
"everyone deserves freedom and a happy life"
Indeed, but we, the people of these United States, are not legally or morally obligated to provide that for anyone but US citizens. We simply don't have the resources.
Anonymous | 1:15 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
"60% of illegal immigrants are non-hispanic."
Your figure is wrong but irrelevant nonetheless. In fact I wish they were all pasty white WASPs like me - then the open borders nutsos would have to stop calling me a racist for opposing illegal immigration.
"Too much of this issue is clouded by racism. The truth is that the government needs a better way to let people come here legally."
Too much immigration is too much, whether legal or illegal. 70% of our population growth is due to immigration, and its showing its effects on our watersheds, on our roads, and on our wages.
You cannot "solve" a problem simply by legalizing it - whether that's granting amnesty to illegals or upping the numbers of legal immigrants.
Your figure is wrong but irrelevant nonetheless. In fact I wish they were all pasty white WASPs like me - then the open borders nutsos would have to stop calling me a racist for opposing illegal immigration.
"Too much of this issue is clouded by racism. The truth is that the government needs a better way to let people come here legally."
Too much immigration is too much, whether legal or illegal. 70% of our population growth is due to immigration, and its showing its effects on our watersheds, on our roads, and on our wages.
You cannot "solve" a problem simply by legalizing it - whether that's granting amnesty to illegals or upping the numbers of legal immigrants.
Lori | 1:24 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
To: Fearful
I hope that you will be safe and not fear every day.. We know exactly what you are going throught, you deserve happiness and freedom just like the rest of us, you sound like you are an asset not a burden to our community. Thank You
I hope that you will be safe and not fear every day.. We know exactly what you are going throught, you deserve happiness and freedom just like the rest of us, you sound like you are an asset not a burden to our community. Thank You
Riz | 1:26 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
To Manuel:
"1. color of skin
2. Driver does not speak English
3. How about Canadians? do they get a free ride?
People should ask themselves how would I feel if my son/daughter marries a person of color? and then and only then your true colors will come up."
I'm married to a woman "of color". She came here legally. My kids are "of color". They're all here legally. They work here legally. They pay taxes as legal citizens. They're all for booting the ILLEGALS (criminals).
Guess what? They're also FOR a NON-AMNESTY solution that requires the deportation of these ILLEGALS and requiring them to jump through all the hoops my wife had to navigate to come here legally.
As for your Canadian comment... pure stupidity. I'm sure the Canadian criminal population in the State Pen rivals that of the Mexicans, right?!?! D'uh!
"1. color of skin
2. Driver does not speak English
3. How about Canadians? do they get a free ride?
People should ask themselves how would I feel if my son/daughter marries a person of color? and then and only then your true colors will come up."
I'm married to a woman "of color". She came here legally. My kids are "of color". They're all here legally. They work here legally. They pay taxes as legal citizens. They're all for booting the ILLEGALS (criminals).
Guess what? They're also FOR a NON-AMNESTY solution that requires the deportation of these ILLEGALS and requiring them to jump through all the hoops my wife had to navigate to come here legally.
As for your Canadian comment... pure stupidity. I'm sure the Canadian criminal population in the State Pen rivals that of the Mexicans, right?!?! D'uh!
Lori | 1:34 p.m. Jan. 16, 2008
To: Wilkey..
Have you ever been to Mexico, and I am not meaning Cancun.. I am meaning Mexico, where they live in card board boxes, work 10 hrs days for 5.00 and walk to work..anyone who has been to America and seen first hand how wonderful we have it here, would never want to live in Mexico, his mother lives there and was denied a Visa to come here, we did it the right way.. she is not a criminal, just wanted to see her grandson be born..I have 3 other children, what kind of education would they get in Mexico, Latino people are very hard working, loving people, and yes if they murder, rape, or are criminals they should be deported, but irronically there has been alot of news on lately of WHITE UTAHNS that are going to prison for life for murder, child abuse etc.. unless you know someone from Mexico or there struggles you will never understand... my Fiance was a good citizen, he got turned in by an angry ex girlfriend, otherwise he might be here today with his family, he got dep when our little boy was 6 wks now he is 2.Very Sad
Have you ever been to Mexico, and I am not meaning Cancun.. I am meaning Mexico, where they live in card board boxes, work 10 hrs days for 5.00 and walk to work..anyone who has been to America and seen first hand how wonderful we have it here, would never want to live in Mexico, his mother lives there and was denied a Visa to come here, we did it the right way.. she is not a criminal, just wanted to see her grandson be born..I have 3 other children, what kind of education would they get in Mexico, Latino people are very hard working, loving people, and yes if they murder, rape, or are criminals they should be deported, but irronically there has been alot of news on lately of WHITE UTAHNS that are going to prison for life for murder, child abuse etc.. unless you know someone from Mexico or there struggles you will never understand... my Fiance was a good citizen, he got turned in by an angry ex girlfriend, otherwise he might be here today with his family, he got dep when our little boy was 6 wks now he is 2.Very Sad
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Everytime a solution to illegal immigration is proposed, the open borders loons simply say that it "won't work." No proof. No stats. No logic to back up the claim. Just stupid, ignorant denial.
How 'bout we try it and see, Mr. Yapias? Just this once? Trying it, of course, is what he's afraid of - because he knows that it WILL work, and that's what he really doesn't want.
"If we had all of our local, county and state law enforcement trained and authorized ... there's not enough jail space," Bramble said. "ICE doesn't have the capacity to deal with it."
Maybe, but our roads and watersheds and schools don't have the capacity to deal with too much immigration, either. We simply can't build them fast enough. Start deporting illegal criminals and you'll need fewer jail spaces over the long run.