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Stats | 1:00 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
@ Sneakers
Since you brought up the last 6 games since Korvers arrival lets take a closer look
--------FG % ---3pt% ---FT% ---Blocks -Steals
CJ ------52% ----40% ---88% -----4 ------7
Korver --41% ----22% ---92% -----1 ------2
Enough Said
Since you brought up the last 6 games since Korvers arrival lets take a closer look
--------FG % ---3pt% ---FT% ---Blocks -Steals
CJ ------52% ----40% ---88% -----4 ------7
Korver --41% ----22% ---92% -----1 ------2
Enough Said
NBA Scouting report | 1:11 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Korver is not the quickest player in the world and will have to work hard on
defense to handle some of the most agile or quick players in the NBA.
Korver is a talented shooter, but a below average defender who will need to improve on his consistency before making an impact.
Korver is a talented shooter, but a below average defender who will need to improve on his consistency before making an impact.
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Jimmy's Sneakers | 7:07 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Korver is not even a remotely talented defender. He is probably worse than
Giricek is in that regard. But Korver isn't in the NBA to play defense, he
is there to make 3-point shots and shots in the clutch. (Does everyone forget
his Creighton run in the NCAA tourney?)
Jimmy still stands by his comment. CJ is a better athlete but he still doesn't play defense. And while CJ may have better %'s over 5 games while Korver has been adjusting to the system, over the long run Jimmy would much rather have Korver taking that shot at the end of the game then CJ. A guy like Korver lives for these shots and his experience and big play ability is why we traded for him.
Jimmy's question for you guys is do we need both Almond and CJ long term? Jimmy personally feels that Almond is the better long term project, so with Brewer and Korver in from of CJ now and Almond there for the future where does CJ fit in? Unless CJ wants to stick around for close to the minimum next year, Jimmy doesn't think he will be back.
Jimmy still stands by his comment. CJ is a better athlete but he still doesn't play defense. And while CJ may have better %'s over 5 games while Korver has been adjusting to the system, over the long run Jimmy would much rather have Korver taking that shot at the end of the game then CJ. A guy like Korver lives for these shots and his experience and big play ability is why we traded for him.
Jimmy's question for you guys is do we need both Almond and CJ long term? Jimmy personally feels that Almond is the better long term project, so with Brewer and Korver in from of CJ now and Almond there for the future where does CJ fit in? Unless CJ wants to stick around for close to the minimum next year, Jimmy doesn't think he will be back.
Good Conversation | 7:52 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
And I agree with the sneaks on this one. I really think the CJ accepted some
horrible advice in not playing in the RMR this summer and I think it may have
been the catalyst for the Jazz's stance with him. While I do believe CJ is
more than a "dime a dozen" player and does have a really nice upside I
think he shot himself in the foot.
I also take difference with the scouting report. One of the things that has impressed me since Korver has been here is his defense. While not a lock down defender he plays very good help defense, tries to stay in front of his man and if you watch closely is usually one of the first guys back in transition. All of these are an improvement over GG. I hope he keeps it up and it's not just added effort for his new team until he gets comfortable. He's also a great lockerroom guy.
As mentioned above I like CJ but w/ KK and Almond coming in CJ may have taken the summer to get replaced.
I also take difference with the scouting report. One of the things that has impressed me since Korver has been here is his defense. While not a lock down defender he plays very good help defense, tries to stay in front of his man and if you watch closely is usually one of the first guys back in transition. All of these are an improvement over GG. I hope he keeps it up and it's not just added effort for his new team until he gets comfortable. He's also a great lockerroom guy.
As mentioned above I like CJ but w/ KK and Almond coming in CJ may have taken the summer to get replaced.
who is this Stats? | 7:57 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I want to see all of the ststs not just hand picked stats. I want to see the
game film and watch the way these guys move without the basketball in their
hands.
I don't want to see stats | 8:10 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I WANT TO SEE WINS & LOSSES. (5-1 with Korver).
Wins and losses | 8:22 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Heh Einstien,
5-1 with Korver? You mean 5-1 with CJ starting most of those games right? Or is it 5-1 since Memo started playing half decent? Or is it 5-1 since sloans distraction left town.
It is not 5-1 due to Kyle Korver shooting 5-22 from the three point line with below average defense.
5-1 with Korver? You mean 5-1 with CJ starting most of those games right? Or is it 5-1 since Memo started playing half decent? Or is it 5-1 since sloans distraction left town.
It is not 5-1 due to Kyle Korver shooting 5-22 from the three point line with below average defense.
Korver jumpstarted the Jazz | 8:39 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I think the trade for Korver revived the Jazz. I was part of the standing
ovation when he went in that first game in Utah against Portland.
Chad | 8:48 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I think the "below average defense" thing gets thrown around pretty
flippantly. From the games I have seen (all of them), Korver plays good
fundamental defense, easily "average" if not somewhat above.
In coaching my sons team, I would happily use video of Korver to teach them defense. I would use video of Korver ahead of Brewer to teach them defense, because Brewer, while flashy and obviously athletically superior to Korver, is the better defender because of athleticism and talent, not good defensive fundamentals.
You cannot learn talent and atheliticism, but without these you can still be a solid defender if you learn the fundamentals. In the long run, Korver will be a more consistent defender. While he may not get the steals and breakaway dunks and highlights, I would take solid in your face defense over repeatedly giving up easy jump-shots and layups in the hopes of picking one off in the passing lane from time to time.
Apparently Sloan would too, as evidenced by the fact that Korver, and not Brewer or CJ, is closing out games. The shooting is part of it, but if he were simply a sieve on defense, he would not be in there.
In coaching my sons team, I would happily use video of Korver to teach them defense. I would use video of Korver ahead of Brewer to teach them defense, because Brewer, while flashy and obviously athletically superior to Korver, is the better defender because of athleticism and talent, not good defensive fundamentals.
You cannot learn talent and atheliticism, but without these you can still be a solid defender if you learn the fundamentals. In the long run, Korver will be a more consistent defender. While he may not get the steals and breakaway dunks and highlights, I would take solid in your face defense over repeatedly giving up easy jump-shots and layups in the hopes of picking one off in the passing lane from time to time.
Apparently Sloan would too, as evidenced by the fact that Korver, and not Brewer or CJ, is closing out games. The shooting is part of it, but if he were simply a sieve on defense, he would not be in there.
Pace | 8:53 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I've got to agree with the idea that the last few wins had nothing really
to do with Kyle Korver. Don't get me wrong I like Korver and expect him to
start shooting better. CJ has obviously had more of an impact on the
Jazz's play of late than Korver. Just look at the stats.
Sinan From Turkey | 8:59 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I prefer Korver not to eat fakes and not to fall upon the opp.shooter during 3
pts. shooting position. That ensures penalty of free 3 shootings. In other
words, he must be more careful at D. end. To me, he is very good at shooting but
weak at def. end. What are we gonna say him ? "just wait for the ball at
mid. of the court ?"
Lackofplans | 9:56 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I though Korver-GG trade was not a good one. Jazz had CJ-Brewer-Almond. Why get
rid of a first round pick and an expiring contract of GG where he could easily
have the same impact that Korver had. GG did not get along with Sloan. The
problem was not GG was a worse defender or shooter, problem was GG's
willingness to talk about the game-plan and Sloan's unwillingness to not to
talk with players about that. Sloan had a plan.. no matter how many games we
loose, he wants to stick to it. Unless LHM talks to him and then he changes a
little bit.
Lo Porto | 10:28 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Korver improved the Jazz and will improve the Jazz in the long run. He has
energized the Jazz and the majority of the fan base. Will CJ be a better pro
than Korver in the long run - no guarantee. That doesn't matter; Korver is
a Jazz player.
Korver is a team first guy that plays hard night in and night out by giving 100%. He also shoots the 3 with the best of them. I'm not saying Korver is Hornacek, but Hornacek had the same knocks against his game when he came to Utah. They said he was too slow, not a good defender, and he was a bad pickup by the Jazz. However, Hornacek played hard every night just like Korver will.
CJ has impressive flashes, but his decisions not to play this summer and waiting to sign the paperwork were signs that he might not be Jazz material for the long haul. Almond and Fesenko love the chance at playing time in the D-League - I just don't see that level of sacrifice from CJ.
Korver's a 10-point-a-game scorer through his 1st 4 years. As Utah's 4th scoring option, he's a perfect fit.
Korver is a team first guy that plays hard night in and night out by giving 100%. He also shoots the 3 with the best of them. I'm not saying Korver is Hornacek, but Hornacek had the same knocks against his game when he came to Utah. They said he was too slow, not a good defender, and he was a bad pickup by the Jazz. However, Hornacek played hard every night just like Korver will.
CJ has impressive flashes, but his decisions not to play this summer and waiting to sign the paperwork were signs that he might not be Jazz material for the long haul. Almond and Fesenko love the chance at playing time in the D-League - I just don't see that level of sacrifice from CJ.
Korver's a 10-point-a-game scorer through his 1st 4 years. As Utah's 4th scoring option, he's a perfect fit.
I have a bad feeling | 10:30 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Sloan is not going to be happy with Alomonds style of play, Lets him go, and
goes to another team to turn into a Superstar.
Korvers D | 10:39 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I cannot believe any of you not impressed with Korvers D! Are you kidding? What
have you been watching? Watch him play his man and how he denies him from
getting the ball where he wants it. Watch how he anticiptes where a pick is
comming at him. Then watch CJ and Brew crash into every pick set to free there
man. At this stage there is know comparison in Kyles D and Brews and CJ's.
Name a lockdown defender anywhere in the NBA, know such thing. Just some guys
are better at denying the ball than others. Brew and CJ are nice up and comers
but lets face it, when are they going to help us win if ever?
RE:CHAD | 10:52 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Right on Chad, I was thinking how sweet it could be if someone could actually
show clips on here of Brew and CJ trying to stay with there man crashing into
every pick along the way, and the smoothness and savyness of Korver sliding
through picks, knowing what side of his man a pick is comming, and denying his
man the spot he wants the ball. That does not take great athletisism that is
smart fundemental text book defense.
Jazz Fan | 11:01 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Hey bloggers! I just had to weigh in on this Korver and C.J. Miles alleged
controversy. The idea was to get something of value for Girichec. He was an
ongoing distraction to the team, which was going nowhere with all the nagging
injuries with key players. Gira sealed his own doom with his carping and
ongoing feud with Jerry Sloan. You can't fight city hall; Sloan and Miller
are tight. No player is going to run him out of town. The jury is still out as
to the relative value of Korver viz a vie C.J. or any other player in the
pecking order for playing time. The ongoing fact of the matter is that the Jazz
are not competitive with the 'real' teams when it comes to a seven
game showdowns in the playoffs. They are not athletic enough, disciplined
enough, in good enough physical condition, talented enough (man for man,
compared with the top teams), and not enough beefy players. We need Millsap
type players up front. Clearly Kirilenko has defensive shot blocking skills,
and bails out the Jazz on defense, but there is not enough of that in other
players. It's just too much 'matador' type defense.
Hey Wins and Losses | 11:13 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Or how about it's that the Jazz have finally been able to play some home
games? Or how about Korver's free throw shooting sealing the deal on the
wins over philidelphia and orlando. Ya knucklehead.
Get it straight | 11:17 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Everyone on here is arguing about Korver, Miles, Almond, what has helped the
Jazz go 5-1 recently, blah, blah. The fact is that the Jazz would have been 5-1
with or without the Korver trade, with or without Miles. The Jazz have been
playing at home and they win at home. Plain and simple. When they go back on
the road again, the losses will return again. Miles and Korver will not matter!
Dustin | 11:39 a.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I think the whole argument is a moot point as to which of all will stay because
I don't expect Harpring to play beyond his contract, freeing up the minutes
for the Brewer/Miles/Almond/Korver group.
I would much rather have | 12:03 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Korver on the floor at the end of a close game than CJ. The above comment about
Korver being 26 and CJ only 20 is ludicrous. Yes CJ does have potential but he
is still very young and learning. Korver is only 26, its not like he's 35
or 36 and towards the end of his career. His veteran abilities will give Utah
more ability to win than CJ can at this point.
BJ Jazzy Rasta | 12:04 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Korver is a perfect fit for the Jazz. The Jazz will not only make the playoffs
because of the Korver/GG trade, they will only have a chance at winning a
serious or two because KOC and LHM made a great trade! Go Jazz!! 5-1 since the
Korver trade speaks volumes. The Jazz are a much "healthier" team
without GG on the bench. GG is a selfish player and I'll say it again. He
will never amount to more than what he's currently doing in the NBA... (29%
shooting). He will be playing overseas in two seasons guaranteed!
re:wins and losses | 12:09 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I would think home sweet home. However Ive gotta wonder what your watching???
Korver below average D??? Compared to who? CJ and Brew? Your joking right?
cougs901 | 12:13 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Brewer has made the biggest impact as of late because of his ability to score
when opponents defenses focus on guys like Boozer and Williams. Exhibit A: 21
points vs. Phoenix. Not to mention his defensive abilities. Granted he still has
a long way to go but he is far ahead of where he was last year. Give him time
and he will be an extremely talented young gaurd.
Mike | 1:39 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I don�t think there is much to this CJ/Korver/Brewer
discussion. I think Dustin�s got it right. There is
plenty of time for all of them, the one that will loose out is Harpring. Matt
is in the tail end of his career and only has 2 seasons left on his contract
(which has a clause for the number of games he plays due to his health. A big
deal when talking about having the money to sign Miles as
Matt�s health is suffering and his surgeries limit his
time). CJ, Korver, and Brewer can all play the 2 or 3, which the Jazz love
having that versatility to cause/play match up problems with other teams. Right
now Korver is getting a lot of time at the 2, but has been learning the offense
at the 3. Has anyone noticed that curl play that they always run for Harpring
has been used a number of times for Korver? I think that in a couple of
seasons, the depth chart will look like this�
Anonymous | 2:00 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Sloan will always play veteran players with less ability than young players with
talant. Sloan hated Kris Humphrey and Mo Williams so they are simply gone with
no explenation needed to satisfy the fans. When an owner always sides with the
Coach no matter what the circumstances are, you have given way too much power
to that coach. Jerry missed the playoffs 4 years in a row, and LHM blamed the
players every season (publicly), and gave contract extentions to Sloan. What
does it say to the fans about the owners expected results, its obvious that if
the Jazz don't win, its the players fault and when they win, its because we
have a "hall of fame coach" who has not won anything!
One point of trivia: only 3 times in the history of the NBA has a #8 seed beat a #1 seed, and 2 out of the 3 times the Jazz have benefited by playing the #8 in the second round; in fact in '94 the jazz had a 3-0 lead on Denver and squeeked out a series win in overtime of the 7th game. Point being, Jerry is the most overated coach in NBA histoy.
One point of trivia: only 3 times in the history of the NBA has a #8 seed beat a #1 seed, and 2 out of the 3 times the Jazz have benefited by playing the #8 in the second round; in fact in '94 the jazz had a 3-0 lead on Denver and squeeked out a series win in overtime of the 7th game. Point being, Jerry is the most overated coach in NBA histoy.
bob marley | 2:41 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
i love brewer, but i think CJ will be better than brewer can be (shooting,
3's, defense and yes even slashing, cj can really take it to the hole). i
say package brewer with collins and hart for a big or a new backup pg.
re: anon. at 2pm | 3:31 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Be careful, your fact-laden argument will earn you name calling by the sloan
lovers.
thomas | 3:39 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
hey everyone i believe almond will have a bigger impact than cj. because almond
still is the same age and look at what he has done.
51 against the LA defenders and he's consistent thats why the jazz can count on him more than cj.
dont get me wrong cj ok but i think almond is going to be better long term than cj.
go jazz
lets kill milwakee
51 against the LA defenders and he's consistent thats why the jazz can count on him more than cj.
dont get me wrong cj ok but i think almond is going to be better long term than cj.
go jazz
lets kill milwakee
Mike Cont... Try 4.... | 3:47 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Here's my 4th try to post the depth chart I referenced earlier...
1st String 2nd String 3rd String
C Okur Fes/Boozer/Millsap Millsap/Boozer
PF Boozer Millsap/AK AK/Okur
SF AK Korver Millsap/CJ
SG Brewer CJ/Almond Almond/CJ/Korver
PG Williams New Guy!!!!/Price Price/New Guy
The versatility of the Jazz Players cause a lot of problems and depending on the team we are playing and the size of that team will determine the rotations, but I think the Jazz are 1 or 2 players, some experience/leadership, and a little better chemistry from being a legitimate contender. The leadership, experience, and chemistry are coming. This is still a very young team, but with that roster and guys accepting their position and role on the team, they can be VERY good!
1st String 2nd String 3rd String
C Okur Fes/Boozer/Millsap Millsap/Boozer
PF Boozer Millsap/AK AK/Okur
SF AK Korver Millsap/CJ
SG Brewer CJ/Almond Almond/CJ/Korver
PG Williams New Guy!!!!/Price Price/New Guy
The versatility of the Jazz Players cause a lot of problems and depending on the team we are playing and the size of that team will determine the rotations, but I think the Jazz are 1 or 2 players, some experience/leadership, and a little better chemistry from being a legitimate contender. The leadership, experience, and chemistry are coming. This is still a very young team, but with that roster and guys accepting their position and role on the team, they can be VERY good!
thomas | 3:49 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
the jazz are probably going to keep almond i think.
heres why. They think he's more consistent than cj.
plus hes a scoring machine 51 points against the LA Defenders. thats a ton. thats why there going to keep him and probably let cj go.
dont get me wrong cj is ok. but almond will turn out better.
go jazz
beat millwakee
heres why. They think he's more consistent than cj.
plus hes a scoring machine 51 points against the LA Defenders. thats a ton. thats why there going to keep him and probably let cj go.
dont get me wrong cj is ok. but almond will turn out better.
go jazz
beat millwakee
Doug Collins | 3:54 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Hey Jazz fans, Kyle Korver is going to be a welcome addition to the Utah Jazz.
He's a stable guy, a great team guy in the locker room. He can shoot the
basketball, and throw the ball in the post, which is a lost art. He is really
going to help this team go farther. A lot of Western Conference teams and
coaches were very upset that Utah was able to make this trade. I hope you guys
enjoy him out there.
Porky | 4:08 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Korver helps underprivlaged children in the offseason. Miles should have been
at the Rocky Mtn Revue playing basketball (not the candy store playing vidio
games.)
shagnasty | 4:11 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
I would vote for Korver for President. He's an all around ball player.
pork&beans | 4:13 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Korver can dribble, pass, shoot, score, defend and ice his freethrows to close
out a game. He's also a locker room leader and team guy. We're lucky
to have him.
Pace needs to pick up the... | 4:17 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Pace or get a Pacemaker. Did you not see the two wins when Kyle iced the game
on the FT line. Did you not see hime spread the defence while Okur, Williams
& Booz went to work in the middle.
jazz fan | 5:16 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
though Korver has not been solid on his shots so far for Utah. it is obvious
that his persents alone with get W's. With him and Memo out of the wings,
just creates more room for d-will and booz to do what they do best. watch out
western conference. the jazz are out of their slump. and ready to play jerry
ball!
Go JAZZ
Go JAZZ
The Love Doctor | 6:36 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Kyle Korver is the man to have on the floor in the 4th period. He will ice the
game on the line. This is one of the best trades O'connor has made. This
really changes the dynamics around here. I'm not sure some of you realize
how big of a positive impact Korver's presence will have on the floor and
in the locker room. He is a team guy.
LackofPlanAgain | 8:42 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Brewer/Miles/Almond/Korver thats three young promising swingman and 1 mediocre
veteran when you have AK/Milslap playing most of the minutes at SF. You have 6
mil committed to Korver and it will be difficult to let any of the other 3 go.
Say Jazz let Almond/CJ go to another team for 3 or 4 mil per year and the player
can become a major success and Korver [who was an expensive backup for a low-end
team] will becomes a weak starter for Jazz. There is no need to pay 6 mill for a
backup SG for a team where the coach does not run a play for a starting SG. If
Brewer or CJ becomes a top SG, Korver will be an expensive backup.
Old fogey | 9:22 p.m. Jan. 14, 2008
Now if we just had Zelmo Beatty, we'd have it made!
re:old fogey | 12:03 a.m. Jan. 15, 2008
And the Booner at the 2, maybe some help from Willey Wise. Championship here we
come!
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Hey sneakers your basketball IQ is above average for a pair of shoes, but this is a human being discussion board. Us humans don't really like to have to sort through sub-cerebral thought processes like yours.
I like Korver and the very limited abilities which he has mastered. However, to say that players like CJ miles are a dime a dozen really shows that shoes have no buisness commenting on sports.
Talent like what CJ Miles posesses is rare and once he leaves Utah because they they have no cap room due to the Korver trade you will realize this.
CJ Miles is long, athletic, and very quick. He has a pure shooting stroke much like Korver, yet he has athletic ability that Korver can only dream of.
Korver is 26 years old and his potential for impovement is minimal. Miles on the other hand is barely 20 years old and the sky is the limit for this kid.