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Betty Ann Marquardt | 6:58 a.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Michael Marquardt played for ASU in the Holiday Bowl. Daniel Marquardt finished
his senior season at BYU a couple of years ago.
Homer S. | 10:17 a.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Hold on. I don't get this article. According to Bronco and all BYU fans,
only the best Mormon athletes go to BYU. Maybe we should have Dick Harmon use
his investigative duties to figure out how this article was even written. You
can tell this wasn't reviewed by him before it was printed.
Next you are going to tell me that the University of Utah has Mormons on their team. Or even worse, their coach is Mormon. That just doesn't make sense.
Next you are going to tell me that the University of Utah has Mormons on their team. Or even worse, their coach is Mormon. That just doesn't make sense.
Freecows | 11:13 a.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Arizona's all Pac-10 linebacker Spencer Larsen served a mission in Osorno,
Chile.
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You are a homer | 11:22 a.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Quit putting words in Bronco's mouth that were never even close to being
said.
What kind of moron, coaching at an LDS school that requires its student to live by strict LDS standards, wouldn't recruit good athletes who are LDS? You know, kids who already know and are most likely already living the standards?
But wanting to recruit those kids and having a monopoly on them are two completely different ideas, one of which has never been said nor implied. Except by idiotic Ute fans who brag about showing all of their "unholiness" come rivalry day. Then they are the ones who tend to forget they have RM's and therefore "evil marmons" playing on their own team.
What kind of moron, coaching at an LDS school that requires its student to live by strict LDS standards, wouldn't recruit good athletes who are LDS? You know, kids who already know and are most likely already living the standards?
But wanting to recruit those kids and having a monopoly on them are two completely different ideas, one of which has never been said nor implied. Except by idiotic Ute fans who brag about showing all of their "unholiness" come rivalry day. Then they are the ones who tend to forget they have RM's and therefore "evil marmons" playing on their own team.
Scotty | 11:44 a.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Homer: I will state the obvious. Not all Mormon athletes are actively
recruited by BYU. There are only so many slots. For example, Boise
State's football team is usually about 15 percent LDS, and I am not aware
of any on last year's BSU team, who were recruited by BYU. I would be so
bold to say, that many if not most of the LDS players on the Utah team, were not
actively recruited by BYU.
Jim McMahon's first college choice was Notre Dame, since he was Catholic, but ND did not come calling. ND can't actively recruit every good Catholic athlete. Too many players, and not enough openings. Also, the rating of high school players is not an exact science. Many go on to achieve greater success in college ball than expected, while others with higher ratings often don't measure up.
There can be no doubt however, that BYU does have success recruiting most of the Mormon athletes they decide to go after.
Jim McMahon's first college choice was Notre Dame, since he was Catholic, but ND did not come calling. ND can't actively recruit every good Catholic athlete. Too many players, and not enough openings. Also, the rating of high school players is not an exact science. Many go on to achieve greater success in college ball than expected, while others with higher ratings often don't measure up.
There can be no doubt however, that BYU does have success recruiting most of the Mormon athletes they decide to go after.
This is (not) the place... | 12:32 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
What is going on!? These RM's should be ashamed of themselves! Don't
they know that they are letting the ENTIRE church down by not going to BYU?
Everybody knows that ALL GOOD Mormons are BYU fans and that everyone else is
just jealous of the holiness that exudes out of the BYU athletic department.
GIVE ME A BREAK! I know not all BYU fans are like this, but all Utah fans are
not evil, so don't pretend that they are (I am a fan of neither).
However, I am glad to see that Bronco's propiganda is not working on every young LDS athlete. BYU is not the place for every Mormon college student, otherwise it could not handle the enrollment. I hate to hear the complaining that happens when BYU loses out on a top LDS recruit. Perhaps they felt inspired to go elsewhere.
I think a good follow-up story to this would be how many athletes at BYU (particularly the basketball team) are LDS and are NOT going on missions. I know the "bar was raised", but if they are righteous enough to go to BYU, shouldn't they be able to serve a mission?
However, I am glad to see that Bronco's propiganda is not working on every young LDS athlete. BYU is not the place for every Mormon college student, otherwise it could not handle the enrollment. I hate to hear the complaining that happens when BYU loses out on a top LDS recruit. Perhaps they felt inspired to go elsewhere.
I think a good follow-up story to this would be how many athletes at BYU (particularly the basketball team) are LDS and are NOT going on missions. I know the "bar was raised", but if they are righteous enough to go to BYU, shouldn't they be able to serve a mission?
Anonymous | 12:33 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Homer I missed the part the talked about BYU and Bronco Mendenhall. Please
point it out to me.
Thank you | 12:46 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
for highlighting all the good LDS athletes at other universities. With the
small but extremely loud segment of idiot fans at the Y that denigrate other
universities, they make the Y and the church look bad. I am certain that the
lack of openings at BYU provide many opportunities for others to succeed in some
great schools in the SEC or anywhere else and I think it is by design that these
guys have an opportunity to shine outside of Utah County!
re: thank you | 1:05 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
The small but extremely loud segment of idiotic ute fans that denigrate the Y
make themselves and the u look bad as well. It's on all sides.
If I were looking at a potential NFL career and was highly recruited out of high school I would have a hard time turning away offers from BCS conference schools to go to BYU. Some athletes have looked forward to playing and going to BYU their whole lives (hence a very strong walk-on program there), and others have the opportunity to play for a Nat'l Championship. I'm willing to bet, though, that some of these impressive athletes would be more interested in going to BYU if BYU had the opportunities that BCS Conference schools had (and the same could be said for the utes to a large degree).
I've never heard any such comment from Bronco that all the best Mormon athletes are coming to BYU, but his focus is on recruiting quality Mormon athletes. The best news is that there are enough of them out there that no one has a monopoly on them. Best of luck to all of them, and Go Cougars!!!
If I were looking at a potential NFL career and was highly recruited out of high school I would have a hard time turning away offers from BCS conference schools to go to BYU. Some athletes have looked forward to playing and going to BYU their whole lives (hence a very strong walk-on program there), and others have the opportunity to play for a Nat'l Championship. I'm willing to bet, though, that some of these impressive athletes would be more interested in going to BYU if BYU had the opportunities that BCS Conference schools had (and the same could be said for the utes to a large degree).
I've never heard any such comment from Bronco that all the best Mormon athletes are coming to BYU, but his focus is on recruiting quality Mormon athletes. The best news is that there are enough of them out there that no one has a monopoly on them. Best of luck to all of them, and Go Cougars!!!
UTE vs. BYU comments | 1:10 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
It is interesting to see the bashing of one school by the other. For some
reason, when I hear a Ute bash... I see a state school fan speaking for a state
school. When I hear a Cougar bash, I see a Church school speaking for a church.
Cougar fans don't seem to get that. You represent much more than a fan
opinion and reflect poorly on yourself and your school and your church. That is
the difference between the bashing of the U of U vs. BYU is that the LDS take a
beating and show up in the mirror.
RE:Hypocrites | 1:10 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
It is just plain amazing that all those programs out there in the country that
are or will benefit from the presence of returned missionaries in other programs
besides BYU.
In other words it is fine and dandy for programs like LSU, Boise State and who-ever else to remind BYU and the the Cougar faithful of how unfair it is to have 23 or 24 or 25 year-old men playing college foosball for the Cougars. But when it comes to nenefiting thier particular program, whoever it may may...welll hey we're doing doing just what those Mormon guys at BYU are doing. Right?
Plu-lezzzzzzzzz?
Leave BYU alone then. The critics of BYU are nothing but a bunch od HYPOCRITES, especially those to the the north of us. But no morelet's feel sorry for the rest of the country that has RM's and keep tight-lipped about it. Either take the heat or get out of the kitchen. And if you critters at LSU and Boise or wherever maintain your silence in the ake of having quality football players that have served LDS missions....then you are nothing more than Hypocrites. Just shut-up and let us play and see where it all finishes out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other words it is fine and dandy for programs like LSU, Boise State and who-ever else to remind BYU and the the Cougar faithful of how unfair it is to have 23 or 24 or 25 year-old men playing college foosball for the Cougars. But when it comes to nenefiting thier particular program, whoever it may may...welll hey we're doing doing just what those Mormon guys at BYU are doing. Right?
Plu-lezzzzzzzzz?
Leave BYU alone then. The critics of BYU are nothing but a bunch od HYPOCRITES, especially those to the the north of us. But no morelet's feel sorry for the rest of the country that has RM's and keep tight-lipped about it. Either take the heat or get out of the kitchen. And if you critters at LSU and Boise or wherever maintain your silence in the ake of having quality football players that have served LDS missions....then you are nothing more than Hypocrites. Just shut-up and let us play and see where it all finishes out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Differentiate | 1:46 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Hey, I only criticized the idiotic Ute fans. The ones with a functioning brain
are okay.
I will admit there are idiot Y fans who trash a kid being recruited by BYU if he chooses not to go there. To this small segment of "fans", he becomes a spiritual neanderthal who wants nothing but to drink and have sex all day long.
The problem is, you can't educate idiots. Remember, they have a non-functioning brain. But even without a brain, they manage to run their mouth louder and longer than anyone else. To the untrained eye, it makes their segment of the population appear larger than it is.
I liked the article. It wasn't that long ago that any team in the southeast would've suspended a guy's scholarship had he chosen to serve a mission.
I will admit there are idiot Y fans who trash a kid being recruited by BYU if he chooses not to go there. To this small segment of "fans", he becomes a spiritual neanderthal who wants nothing but to drink and have sex all day long.
The problem is, you can't educate idiots. Remember, they have a non-functioning brain. But even without a brain, they manage to run their mouth louder and longer than anyone else. To the untrained eye, it makes their segment of the population appear larger than it is.
I liked the article. It wasn't that long ago that any team in the southeast would've suspended a guy's scholarship had he chosen to serve a mission.
RE RE:Hypocrites | 1:50 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Please provide one quote from an official from LSU or Boise State talking about
the unfairness of the missionary athletes.
Also, there has to be some unfairness. Since the Lord steps in and helps those that live right on and off the field win ball games, the debate is over.
Also, there has to be some unfairness. Since the Lord steps in and helps those that live right on and off the field win ball games, the debate is over.
Atl | 2:16 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Joey Mack kicked 2 FG's for Memphis in the New Orleans Bowl. He played at
Snow and then to SUU. He transferred to Memphis after his first year. He was
not recruited by BYU and they could have used him this year. He didn't
serve a mission, but his an outstanding young man and example of the church. I
am sure Havili is as well at USC.
Workinglate | 2:26 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
I'm not sure why this article surprises anyone. There are Mormon athletes
that don't play for a school based in Utah just like there are Mormon
business people who don't work for NuSkin, Novell, or JetBlue, politicians
that don't represent Utah, etc. I don't know why this discussion
(like so many others on DN) regress into this pathetic discussion of BYU &
Mormons vs. Utah and non-Mormons. Get over yourselves.
SJ Bobkins | 3:03 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
That has to have been the real Homer Simpson all right'ie. No Brain but
access to a computer.
This was a superb article, I have no idea how you ran down all these kids. Unfortunately BYU can only have 85 kids on scholarship, There are three times as many great missionary athletes out there as BYU and Utah can bring in and gratefully college coaches are finally coming around to allow LDS kids to leave a program and then return with a scholarship available to them. USC, ASU, and a few east coast and Big 10 schools are they only Div 1 teams that still won't allow a guy to come back after a mission. Sadly Stanley H. the great running back from Cottonwood had to choose which dream he could fulfill.
It doesn't matter where they go to school, they are a tremendous asset to
those you serve.
This was a superb article, I have no idea how you ran down all these kids. Unfortunately BYU can only have 85 kids on scholarship, There are three times as many great missionary athletes out there as BYU and Utah can bring in and gratefully college coaches are finally coming around to allow LDS kids to leave a program and then return with a scholarship available to them. USC, ASU, and a few east coast and Big 10 schools are they only Div 1 teams that still won't allow a guy to come back after a mission. Sadly Stanley H. the great running back from Cottonwood had to choose which dream he could fulfill.
It doesn't matter where they go to school, they are a tremendous asset to
those you serve.
Ulusan | 3:15 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
This was a nice article. Let's remember that the focus on this article was
on LDS returned missionaries (RM's) who played in bowl games. It's
not about BYU vs Utah recruiting. Athletes go to other schools for different
reasons that include the fact that the academic programs they seek are not
available at BYU or Utah. Some want to play close to home in front of family or
play at a BCS school. They live the honor code and are ont disloyal to the
church because they go somewhere outside of Utah to play. Dan Robinson, who
played QB for June jones at Hawaii, was an RM (Taiwan) who was instrumental in
their turnaround year, and was a positive influence for the church to his
teammates and the entire state of Hawaii because of his example and his
maturity. That's why most Div 1 coaches now allow athletes to go on
missions and keep their scholarsihps. Years ago, I forfeited my scholarship
when I chose to serve a mission. As a BYU parent, I'm proud of all these
LDS athletes no matter where they choose to play, including the UofU.
Troutman | 4:04 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
And believe you me, if one Star athlete gets away from BYU then the
administration, the coach, the AD all get the what for for not getting the kid!
JC Carroll is a prime example. Coach Dave Rose was asked why he didn't get
this LDS kid from Evanston, Wyoming? rose was asked this by Tom Holmoe, and by
Pres. Samuelson. Rose got racked over the coals, and so then what did he do.
Not play USU this year so he wouldn't have to field more questions as to
why wasn't JC playing for BYU? Now, any good all knowing basketball fan
would realize that the Y would have beat my Aggies this year had they played
them at the first of the year! Right now, I am not sure if the Y could eek out
a win, especially at the Spectrum, where Rose took himself and the embarrassment
out of the equation of not playing USU. Don't tell me that losing a
Regional top notch athlete who is LDS just eats at anyone associated with BYU!
As for JC Carroll, he found the TRUE religion in LOGAN! The Religion of
"IN STEW WE TRUST"!
Truest Blue | 4:46 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Go AGGIES!
to troutman: | 6:41 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Your Y bashing is getting extremely old. What a joke if you really feel that
that is the reason BYU didn't play your aggies this year. Many other
factors are involved in those decisions, among which is money. It isn't
very cost-effective for the Y to play your lowly Aggies on the football field.
Bball is different, but schedules are put together long before the season in
which they are actually played.
As for JC Carroll, I'm from Wyoming, know him personally, and watched him play in High School. Just like most people in Wyoming he doesn't like BYU any more than you do, and said in a fireside a few years ago that the best thing about his Freshman year was beating the Y. He didn't want to go there. He would've liked to go to Wyoming, but Steve McLain didn't show much interest in him and didn't want to mess with the RM thing either. He's doing well and I'm glad for that and I hope he has a great season- but people like you and your incessant ripping on BYU has nearly changed my attitude about the school my father started out at (USU Aggies).
As for JC Carroll, I'm from Wyoming, know him personally, and watched him play in High School. Just like most people in Wyoming he doesn't like BYU any more than you do, and said in a fireside a few years ago that the best thing about his Freshman year was beating the Y. He didn't want to go there. He would've liked to go to Wyoming, but Steve McLain didn't show much interest in him and didn't want to mess with the RM thing either. He's doing well and I'm glad for that and I hope he has a great season- but people like you and your incessant ripping on BYU has nearly changed my attitude about the school my father started out at (USU Aggies).
vasislos | 7:12 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Great LDS athletes have always gone to other schools (i.e. Danny White, Todd
Heap). The only time I ever heard of a coach suggesting that an LDS athlete was
obligated to play for BYU that coach (Reid) was soon let go. And the goof
Troutman: do you really believe that Coach Rose was "racked over the
coals" by either Holmoe or Samuelson? Holmoe is too classy, Samuelson has
many more pressing issues, and Rose is too much of a man to allow himself to be
denigrated in any unprofessional manner.
I indeed wish that all of the best LDS players would choose BYU but it has never happened and it never will. Fans and coaches are dissappointed but only the truly muddle-headed would ever disparage or degrade an athlete for the decision that they make. And sorry, Troutman, USU needs BYU but that doesn't obligate BYU to schedule USU. BYU has had an ambitious and well-conceived pre-conference schedule, quit whining because you are not part of it. And quit making up stories about BYU.
I indeed wish that all of the best LDS players would choose BYU but it has never happened and it never will. Fans and coaches are dissappointed but only the truly muddle-headed would ever disparage or degrade an athlete for the decision that they make. And sorry, Troutman, USU needs BYU but that doesn't obligate BYU to schedule USU. BYU has had an ambitious and well-conceived pre-conference schedule, quit whining because you are not part of it. And quit making up stories about BYU.
hoterene | 8:40 p.m. Jan. 10, 2008
Though it may be hard for some to imagine, there are some very good LDS athletes
for whom Brigham Young University would not be the best fit. Some may be more
comfortable, more successful and happier, at another school. I am proud of LDS
athletes who can contribute out in the world.
STEELYBBG | 1:53 a.m. Jan. 11, 2008
Do a little research on the Dave Rose comment troutman, and find out how to
spell Jaycee. Dave Rose took over for Steve Cleveland in 2005. Jaycee has been
playing since 2004 and was recruited 2-3 years before that. However I do agree
that the school that changed their colors to be able to match Aggie blue more
closely were being cry babies over the basketball schedule and once the rivalry
starts up again they will hear it even more.
swift | 9:13 a.m. Jan. 11, 2008
Will you 3 Ute fans find the other 3 Ute fans in the valley and the 6 of you go
whine about something else?
Question | 12:58 p.m. Jan. 11, 2008
It sounds like these players have had some good opportunities to share the
gospel with their teammates. So, it makes me wonder if BYU football's
purpose is as a missionary tool, wouldn't it be more effective to disband
the program and let RM's go out into the mission field to play for other
teams to have these opportunities to share the gospel?
And if BYU's purpose is not to share the gospel, then what purpose does it serve and why is the church even involved in sports?
And if BYU's purpose is not to share the gospel, then what purpose does it serve and why is the church even involved in sports?
Re: Question | 1:30 p.m. Jan. 11, 2008
The fallacy in your argument (comment) is the assumption (warrant) that the only
effective way for student athletes to spread the gospel is to play for non-LDS
teams. The BYU sports program is an excellent missionary tool in that it puts
the program and the school (and subsequently the church) more in the forefront
of national attention, especially when it does well. That can spring curiosity
in others to perhaps want to know more about the church. A healthy BYU sports
program also, in turn, helps the cause of other RM's playing in other parts
of the country, as their religion and RM situation are better understood, which
could also help in others being more open to the church. Although you bring up
an interesting argument, BYU choosing to foster a worthwhile sporting program is
not a hypocritical position in regards to it being a missionary tool, as I think
you were suggesting. Your assumption that it has to be one way and not the other
is just not true. It, in fact, works both ways.
Question | 4:35 p.m. Jan. 11, 2008
Thank you for your generally well-thought out response. Although I should point
out that you are mistaken about claiming a fallacy in my comment. I am not
assuming that playing for non-LDS teams is the only effective way to spread the
gospel, as you suggest. Both options may be effective, but the degree of
effectiveness might favor one over the other. I am actually assuming that
either way can potentially be effective, but was considering the potential that
playing for non-LDS teams might be more effective in spreading the gosepl. No
fallacy there.
Mike453 | 4:56 p.m. Jan. 11, 2008
Let's not forget Ute fans who got beat for the last 2 years in a row during
the Byu vs. Utah football game....He's STILL open.
Ulusan | 5:01 p.m. Jan. 11, 2008
to Re: Question (1:30pm, 1/11/08), Great response! I wholeheartedly agree. I
grew up in Hawaii and have always been a Hawaii fan, even as a BYU grad. But to
Hawaii, BYU was THEIR rival and those games filled Aloha Stadium, no matter what
their respective records were. Partly because so many Hawaii athletes came to
the Y, and also because the LDS influence is so strong in the Islands. The BYU
athletic program can be a great missionary tool because it can open up
interesting questions that go beyond the athletic field, which in turn, opens
the door to gospel questions. The firesides Bronco does in the communities show
the kids who attend that it is not just about the game of football. BYU may not
win the BCS, but if its program can help influence kids to look forward to
greater things in life, it is worth the time taken. The same with the RM's
who play elsewhere who often spend time as guest speakers in their respective
communities. It's about more than just the game as it was on their
missions.
93 cougar | 12:10 a.m. Jan. 12, 2008
All of those RM's must be living right and the magic is happening....
Sam | 3:03 a.m. Jan. 12, 2008
Great article. I would love to see more articles like this. Maybe you can
highlight returned missionaries in college basketball outside of Utah as well. I
think that would be very interesting to know. And then maybe take it to the next
level... the NFL and NBA and MLB. These guys are great role models to a lot of
the LDS youth. Thanks for doing a story like this.
Sam | 3:06 a.m. Jan. 12, 2008
One more thing... I live in Grand Junction, CO. There is a Division II school
here called Mesa State College. They finished the season ranked in the top 20 in
the nation before being eliminated in the first round of the Division II
playoffs. They had a 10-2 overall record. Anway... the team's fullback is
junior Seth Lewis, a returned missionary from Delta, Colorado. He is a great
guy, a strong member of the singles ward, and as his teammates call him... he is
the "Stormin' Mormon." Just thought i would add him to your list
as well.
rina | 1:37 a.m. Jan. 15, 2008
i live in ca and hs football amongst catholic and lutheran private schools is
very competitive. when asked why we don't have a private lds school
here we were told our prophet wants our students to influence other hs kids by
living gospel centered lives.
i am proud of all these rm's making a name for themselves in other colleges besides byu. we can be great examples where ever we go. certainly byu is ideal for lds influence etc...but don't underestimate the influence of the 1 over the 99 sine the savior did leave the 99 to find the one! ! !
i have a son whom i have asked to stay and play in ca if ever recruited before looking into byu because it's close to home and easier for his family to attend his games. thus, if both stanford and byu wanted him...he'll be going to stanford/
mission to me is not a choice for ym's but rather a commandment so as long as ca colleges offer my boys opportunities to go on missions i would prefer they stay close to home then to be at byu
i am proud of all these rm's making a name for themselves in other colleges besides byu. we can be great examples where ever we go. certainly byu is ideal for lds influence etc...but don't underestimate the influence of the 1 over the 99 sine the savior did leave the 99 to find the one! ! !
i have a son whom i have asked to stay and play in ca if ever recruited before looking into byu because it's close to home and easier for his family to attend his games. thus, if both stanford and byu wanted him...he'll be going to stanford/
mission to me is not a choice for ym's but rather a commandment so as long as ca colleges offer my boys opportunities to go on missions i would prefer they stay close to home then to be at byu
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