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Change is good | 10:06 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
It is going to be a breath of fresh air to see the country liberally united
again with a Democratic president.
utahboozer | 10:09 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Condolences, LDS people. Your man lost the first caucus. But just try to
remember how "great" these past 7 years have been under your other
man, Mr. Bush. "Water-boarding" became our new favorite past-time, the
US emerged as hegemonic and self-isolated, and God made a comeback into
government.
PS: Religion and politics should be infinitely distant from each other. Religion is nothing more than divisive and distractive. It's as clear as rainwater, my people. Focus on the problems WITHIN the country, and work towards solving them first.
Just try to love and understand each other. Try! No one is perfect.
<3, utahboozer
PS: Religion and politics should be infinitely distant from each other. Religion is nothing more than divisive and distractive. It's as clear as rainwater, my people. Focus on the problems WITHIN the country, and work towards solving them first.
Just try to love and understand each other. Try! No one is perfect.
<3, utahboozer
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John Swenson Harvey | 10:10 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I'm glad Obama and Edwards beat Clinton, I wish Mitt would have had a
political conversion in Boston, then he could have been running as a Democrat.
I must admit though that I would love to see an Obama versus Romney (as unlikely as his nomination is) race play out in Utah. That would be humorous to watch, for exactly the same reasons back in 1988 I thought a Pat Robertson versus Jessie Jackson contest would have fun to watch in Utah as well.
John Harvey
I must admit though that I would love to see an Obama versus Romney (as unlikely as his nomination is) race play out in Utah. That would be humorous to watch, for exactly the same reasons back in 1988 I thought a Pat Robertson versus Jessie Jackson contest would have fun to watch in Utah as well.
John Harvey
John Swenson Harvey | 10:13 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I meant an Obama versus Huckabee race.
Persecuted | 10:37 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I don't hear any Mormon saying Mitt Romney was persecuted at IOVA by
"Christians".
Change is good | 10:38 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I think it might be time for a black president.
Talk about healing racial tensions that have been going on since The Founding Fathers owned slaves.
Talk about healing racial tensions that have been going on since The Founding Fathers owned slaves.
wrz | 10:44 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Jerry: "I think Romney has great character and morals, but I personally
would not vote for him because I don't want a CEO running this country. A
CEO looks out for corporations and profits."
A CEO looks after the owners, i.e., the stockholders, i.e., the public.
A CEO looks after the owners, i.e., the stockholders, i.e., the public.
Nominate Mitt | 10:46 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
The only Republican with any credentials is Mitt Romney. Vote Mitt not Hick.
Utah Boozer? | 10:55 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
There are several LDS members who are democrats that are high in American
politics also. Harry Reid? Im LDS and Im voting for Ron Paul if I get the
chance. Your statement is very ignorant to assume Romney is the candidate for
all LDS people. Your the one who is being close minded my friend.
bottomline | 10:58 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
the u.s. does not deserve a leader like a mr. romney. all you idiot will regret
your statement when we have another 9/11. i can see hillary hiding behind bill
or huck playing his banjo while americans are being killed in our own land. oh
for those who think the world hate us. news flash, they have alway hated us.
they envy our freedom, right to govern and freedom of religion.
are all you liberal so short sighted as to not remember the the current war was started when Billy-Hill did not want to take out bin ladin when they had the chance?
yes bush has made some mistake but i don't see you thanking him from stopping the bombs blowing up in your neighborhood or that you can fly without another airplane being hyjacked. i know you want your party to win but get real. lets vote for someone who is educated and will protect our rights.
are all you liberal so short sighted as to not remember the the current war was started when Billy-Hill did not want to take out bin ladin when they had the chance?
yes bush has made some mistake but i don't see you thanking him from stopping the bombs blowing up in your neighborhood or that you can fly without another airplane being hyjacked. i know you want your party to win but get real. lets vote for someone who is educated and will protect our rights.
K | 11:01 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
OH MY GOSH! I actually AGREED with Anonymous!
Vote for the person, not the religion, or the color, or the gender.
Although I would not vote Huckabee...the way he's made such an issue, attacking Romney about the religion thing. I don't like him, and I do not think he's a "Christian" man.
Vote for the person, not the religion, or the color, or the gender.
Although I would not vote Huckabee...the way he's made such an issue, attacking Romney about the religion thing. I don't like him, and I do not think he's a "Christian" man.
Anonymous | 11:01 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Did you guys really think the religion card wouldn't be played? Romney has
been trying to play it too, he would LOVE to have the evangelicals behind him
just like Huck. While the Republicans are squabeling over religious voters,
I'm voting for a leader that everyone can believe in
OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
Alex | 11:02 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
CB - If you don't vote, I certainly hope we don't see you complaining
about the government for the next four years.
I agree with Change is Good 10:38, I think a black president, especially one of Senator Obama's caliber, is just what this country needs in order to heal it and bring it together.
I agree with Change is Good 10:38, I think a black president, especially one of Senator Obama's caliber, is just what this country needs in order to heal it and bring it together.
Laughs | 11:19 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
To CB: "I certainly won't vote for a Democratic
baby killer, family destroyer, deviant behavior promoter, and socialistic malcontent."
You left out "tofu-eater". Thanks for the laugh. Lewis Black is still funnier, but you're getting there.
baby killer, family destroyer, deviant behavior promoter, and socialistic malcontent."
You left out "tofu-eater". Thanks for the laugh. Lewis Black is still funnier, but you're getting there.
rcw | 11:20 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
utahboozer: "Condolences, LDS people. Your man lost the first caucus. But
just try to remember how "great" these past 7 years have been under
your other man, Mr. Bush. "Water-boarding" became our new favorite
past-time..."
Water-boarding... a favorite Dem word in their never-ending quest to discredit Bush.
"...the US emerged as hegemonic and self-isolated..."
Self-isolated? Why bring up the Monroe Doctrine now?
Stay off the sauce. Especially on election day.
Water-boarding... a favorite Dem word in their never-ending quest to discredit Bush.
"...the US emerged as hegemonic and self-isolated..."
Self-isolated? Why bring up the Monroe Doctrine now?
Stay off the sauce. Especially on election day.
pAUL HARVY | 11:29 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
IT'S ALL OVER BUT THE CRYING!
The State of Iowa | 11:39 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Iowa. Religious Bigots...
Anonymous | 11:39 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Dear wrz 10:44 -
So are you saying we the "public" are major shareholders of Dick and Lynn Cheney's Halliburton and Lockheed Martin?
Give me a break, "wrz." CEO's look after their cronies, pals and close relatives - period.
So are you saying we the "public" are major shareholders of Dick and Lynn Cheney's Halliburton and Lockheed Martin?
Give me a break, "wrz." CEO's look after their cronies, pals and close relatives - period.
don't forget where you are | 11:44 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
But Alex -
There are too many on this blog that would not necessarily view Obama as "white and delightsome."
Same as in Mississippi.
There are too many on this blog that would not necessarily view Obama as "white and delightsome."
Same as in Mississippi.
Steve - Go Obama!! | 11:55 a.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I'm a Republican who loves Obama. It was so great to see him win last
night and for Hillary ("Satan's Bride" as I like to call her, and
Michael Moore being "the Devil"... haha) to wind up in 3rd. A nice
blow to her ego.
I'd like to see Rudy G. get the Republican nomination and I'd vote for him... but if it ends up being Huckabee vs. Hillary I won't vote this fall. Huckabee vs. Obama and I'll cross party lines for the first time ever and vote Obama.
I hope Obama has this continued success in most or all of the upcoming primaries and caucuses.
I'd like to see Rudy G. get the Republican nomination and I'd vote for him... but if it ends up being Huckabee vs. Hillary I won't vote this fall. Huckabee vs. Obama and I'll cross party lines for the first time ever and vote Obama.
I hope Obama has this continued success in most or all of the upcoming primaries and caucuses.
Jeff | 12:10 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I am from Iowa, and while I can't deny that Romney's religion may have
cost him some votes, don't you think it's possible Huckabee's
religion cost him some too? Iowans can seen through a fake, and no one is more
fake than Mitt Romney. Every political stance he has taken in his presidential
bid is exactly the opposite of what he took when he was running for governor of
Massachusetts. He flip flops so much he makes John Kerry look like a rock.
He's now against abortion after an entire lifetime enabling it. He's
now against immigration amnesty after repeatedly saying he was for it. In short,
he says what he thinks will benefit him at the time. Massachusetts is a liberal
state, so he took liberal positions in order to be elected. He recognizes that
he had to be more conservative to win the presidential nomination, so he now
takes conservative positions. That's just being dishonest. He knows it and,
most of all, you all know it too. So I think all of you who are screaming
religious bigotry need to step back and take a good, hard look at what really
happened here.
interesting press conferences | 12:15 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Personally I'd like to see Romney become president.
You can be sure he will be asked to explain why he lied about "seeing his father march with Martin Luther King" (which turned out to be a lie) and to explain what he meant when he said, "God hasn't spoken to Man since Moses."
We would see some interesting press conferences.
You can be sure he will be asked to explain why he lied about "seeing his father march with Martin Luther King" (which turned out to be a lie) and to explain what he meant when he said, "God hasn't spoken to Man since Moses."
We would see some interesting press conferences.
Flint | 12:16 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I am so glad Mitt could not buy IOWA. Maybe an ordinary candidate can be
President.
Mitt has disappointed me with his ethics in this race.
Mitt has disappointed me with his ethics in this race.
We don't need... | 12:19 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
...a black Muslim president in a white, Christian country.
John | 12:28 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Let's face it, throwing money at the populace does not insure they will
like you. If that were true, the L.D.S. religion would be the most popular
religion on earth. Look at their public relations campaigns, the way they
decorate and maintain temple square, their advertisements, etc. I am not
bashing the Mormons here, I am simply pointing out that Mitt comes from a
culture that wants to be accepted so much, they are willing to spend a lot of
money to make it happen. In Mitt's case, he has a liberal background that
he cannot shake regardless of the money he spends trying to say otherwise. If
Mitt were of any other faith, I doubt there would be many Mormons coming to his
defense and trying to convince others that his past record is meaningless. Mitt
is simply a poor candidate to head the conservative Republican ticket... as is
Huckabee.
Athena | 12:28 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I'm not too fond of Romney, but I'd sooner root for him than Huckabee.
Huckabee only won this caucus because the Evangelicals would rather have a Baptist minster for president than a Mormon. If Huckabee wins the nomination, they might as well hand the election to the Democrats.
Evangelicals are rooting for Huckabee for all the wrong reasons, in exactly the same way that they are snarling at Romney for all the wrong reasons. Religion shouldn't be affiliated with politics, and I'm not saying that with a bias because I'm quite religious myself.
On the radio this morning, I heard an Evangelical saying that for president we need "a shepherd among sheep." Are they so na�ve as to think that this really is what Huckabee wants? Or do they think he's some kind of savior? Huckabee only tells them what they want to hear so they'll vote for him. He's a politician. That seems to be their general standard.
Huckabee only won this caucus because the Evangelicals would rather have a Baptist minster for president than a Mormon. If Huckabee wins the nomination, they might as well hand the election to the Democrats.
Evangelicals are rooting for Huckabee for all the wrong reasons, in exactly the same way that they are snarling at Romney for all the wrong reasons. Religion shouldn't be affiliated with politics, and I'm not saying that with a bias because I'm quite religious myself.
On the radio this morning, I heard an Evangelical saying that for president we need "a shepherd among sheep." Are they so na�ve as to think that this really is what Huckabee wants? Or do they think he's some kind of savior? Huckabee only tells them what they want to hear so they'll vote for him. He's a politician. That seems to be their general standard.
Frank E | 12:29 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Romney needs to run for president of his Morman faith.
JAMES STOWE | 12:29 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
MY JESUS CHRIST SAYS, "NO TO MITT"
An Iowan P.O.V. ... | 12:29 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I went to the caucuses last night...great experience. That being said, Huckabee
won simply due to the fact that evangelicals came out in flocks to vote for
him. That was it. He has no more money, and the campaign he ran wasn't
even about issues/policies. Over the last 2 months, I've never seen so
many negative adds in my life directed at Romney from Huckabee. It was a shame.
It won't work in states where evangelicals aren't the majority. I
didn't vote for either but it is easy to see Mr. Huckabee won't be
around long. At least when they FINALLY start hitting actual policies, he
won't last long. I'm just glad they are all out of our state and we
can just move on.
Me | 12:37 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
The character taking the name "We don't need" makes the assertion
that Barack Obama is a Muslim. Not that it matters, but he isn't. He goes
on to make the claim that we're a "white, Christian country".
I'm assuming this character doesn't actually leave his house, since
he'd see a great many good Americans who are neither white nor
Christian.
There is an organization that would welcome this fellow. It's called the Ku Klux Klan.
There is an organization that would welcome this fellow. It's called the Ku Klux Klan.
NewTicket | 12:38 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Romney/Huckabee
POW!
POW!
Chief Wiggum | 12:44 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Iowans are goofy, to be sure. But what do your Mormon elite, the Colonel Sanders
lookalike elders, foresee? "Ahhh....I look into my bucket of chicken, and
behold!..."
Sad | 12:47 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
That desnews will print racist offensive comments like those from:
We don't need... | 12:19 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
We don't need... | 12:19 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
pulling our legs | 12:47 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I'm sure "We don't need ..." is just pulling our legs.
Nobody is THAT openly fascist.
Not even a neocon.
Not even a neocon.
Anonymous | 12:50 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Uh - oh!
12:30 used the "a" word.
Must not be offensive to the moderator/censor.
12:30 used the "a" word.
Must not be offensive to the moderator/censor.
Yuk | 12:53 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
We Dont need... -
You are a bigot. You have iliustrated why America will not elect a Mormon in the White House.
You are a bigot. You have iliustrated why America will not elect a Mormon in the White House.
Wayne Perry | 1:01 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
I do not think Romney will carry Massachusetts. Definately, being a former
governor of a neighboring state will not help in New Hampshire. The new england
states are not one happy familly, more like 6 mothers in law all stuck in the
same overbooked hotel lobby in a snowstorm.
Changeable | 1:08 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
All of you contributors who are crying out for change, as if change is
necessarily good, be careful what you wish for. Iran clamored for change from
the Shah who persecuted only his political enemies and they got the Ayatollah
Khomeini who persecuted everyone. There are other noteworthy examples
throughout history. Again, be careful what you wish for. You might consider
yourselves progressive just because you want change. You delude yourselves. To
change just for the sake of change might not be all that wonderful. The change
Huckleberry might bring reminds me too much of the peanut farmer from Georgia
and Obama's mantra for change, change, change might not necessarily be all
that wonderful either. I dont believe he has made us aware of all of the
wonderful changes he would make. And when he does, maybe the people will reject
his view of what a changed world should be like.
Knowah | 1:09 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
The reason I'm going to vote for anybody but Romney is not because of his
religion. It is because he hired a hack like Barbara Comstock as one of the
faces of his campaign. On the Fox News Channel interview the afternoon of the
Iowa caucus with Shepard Smith, she was TERRIBLE!!! If this is the best face
and spin Mitt can put out there, I'm done with him.
a little history | 1:12 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Is anybody really surprised at "We Don't need ..."
racial comment.
Does the term "white and delightsome" ring a bell with anybody?
racial comment.
Does the term "white and delightsome" ring a bell with anybody?
Anonymous | 1:16 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
If Hilary wins, I'm moving to Mexico
My Opinion | 1:29 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
We are in a mess in the Republican Party. None of the candidates seem to have
the values needed to lead the party. Mitt has flip flopped no matter how you
look at it. Huckabee can't cut it and McCain seems to have lost his way.
We don't need a New York liberal or a lazy actor either.
smp | 1:31 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Concerning the Iowa Caucuses:
A large majority of Huckabee supporters - 8 of 10 - said they are born again or evangelical Christians, compared to less than half of Romney's backers. Nearly 2 of 3 of Huckabee voters also said it was very important that their candidate share their religious beliefs, compared to about 1 of 5 of Romney's.
Romney's supporters tended to be professionals with higher education. Those post graduate education folks care less about the candidate's religion. I found that to be interesting.
A large majority of Huckabee supporters - 8 of 10 - said they are born again or evangelical Christians, compared to less than half of Romney's backers. Nearly 2 of 3 of Huckabee voters also said it was very important that their candidate share their religious beliefs, compared to about 1 of 5 of Romney's.
Romney's supporters tended to be professionals with higher education. Those post graduate education folks care less about the candidate's religion. I found that to be interesting.
james stowe | 1:33 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
to huckabee:
go ahead the u.s. may be better off to get you out.
go ahead the u.s. may be better off to get you out.
2 cents worth | 1:33 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
As an additional comment to my prior post.
Even if Romney did win the nomination for Repub candidate, all polls, interviews, and numerous other factors plainly show that he will NOT take his own state's (Massachusetts) electoral college vote, and folks... NO candidate has ever in the history of the United States won the presidency who does not take his own home state in the electoral college vote (the actual vote that determines the president of the United States). A recent example will suffice. Had Gore taken Tennessee he would have won in 2000 regardless of Florida or not.
Even if Romney did win the nomination for Repub candidate, all polls, interviews, and numerous other factors plainly show that he will NOT take his own state's (Massachusetts) electoral college vote, and folks... NO candidate has ever in the history of the United States won the presidency who does not take his own home state in the electoral college vote (the actual vote that determines the president of the United States). A recent example will suffice. Had Gore taken Tennessee he would have won in 2000 regardless of Florida or not.
JAMES STOWE | 1:37 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
TO FRANK E.
HE CAN'T, THATS ALSO A DONE DEAL. THE LDS WAY!
JAMES STOWE | 1:44 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
TO ANON.:
GO AHEAD AND MOVE WE CAN DO WITHOUT YOU TOO!!!!
GO AHEAD AND MOVE WE CAN DO WITHOUT YOU TOO!!!!
Alex | 1:45 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Changeable - Obama's call for change is one of cleaning up Washington and
giving back the power to the people. Obama's funding comes from individual
donors, not special interest groups or corporations, thus, he's not
accountable to big tobacco, etc., but rather to those who contributed to his
campaign: ordinary people.
What gives? | 1:46 p.m. Jan. 4, 2008
Your constant coverage of Romney, including turning the victory story of another
into a Romney story is disturbing and disgusting.
You're misleading the readers in Utah to believe he has a chance of winning, if you just keep focusing on him and relaying a positive message "oh, we're gonna win the gold!"
I can't wait to see what sort of Romney story you print when Hillary is elected president.
You're misleading the readers in Utah to believe he has a chance of winning, if you just keep focusing on him and relaying a positive message "oh, we're gonna win the gold!"
I can't wait to see what sort of Romney story you print when Hillary is elected president.
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baby killer, family destroyer, deviant behavior promoter, and socialistic malcontent either, so dream on Demo's. I'd sit this one out. Anyone winning with less than a majority has a 'hard row to plow' as the saying goes.