Uh-- who will laugh at their schedule when compared to Hawaii's 07 schedule. I
think the measuiring stick for respect has shifted from quality
opponents to number of wins. Fear of lawsuits has put BCS members in a kinder
andmore appeasing state of mind.
I couldn't make sense of the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. The 2nd makes it sound
like Holmoe considers Nevada to be a I-AA school, then the 3rd contradicts that.
Is this poorly written or am I just reading it wrong?
The biggest problem with scheduling is getting the return games. You can point
to Fresno and say 'look at all the BCS teams they play' but they're playing a
majority on the road, a huge disadvantage. BYU has done a great job of getting
Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Washington, and Georgia Tech to come to Provo. I think
BYU has the right idea to play 1 BCS team at home, 1 BCS team on the road, 1
Nevada / Tulsa type team, and 1 Utah State / E. Washington team (just one).
Not sure what all the scheduling brew-ha-ha is about. Last year's BCS
championship teams, Ohio State and Florida, both played incredibly powder-puff
non-conference schedules, and nobody seemed to bring that up. If BYU has to fill
the Nevada game vacancy with a lower division school, it seems that's just the
pattern already commonly practices by the BCS conference schools. Why the flap?
Go Cougars. If they are going to schedule down I would give SUU or Weber first
dibs. No reason to take it out of state. Much will depend on the schedules of
other teams. Nevada was very dishonest in pulling out of the game the way that
they did. I would never schedule them again. Go Cougars.
If Mendenhall wants any respect for his program than he would follow Fresno
State mantra of anyone, anytime, anywhere.Scheduling 2 middle to
lower BCS programs isn't all that difficult if BYU really considers themselves a
top 15 program. And after hearing Mendenhall tell all of the BYU campers last
summer that they are a top 15 program, then go out and prove it.In
my opinion, the goals of BYU's program should be getting back on ESPN,
scheduling quality opponents, and continue to dominate the MWC. The allure of
the BCS is fools gold (besides the money) if they get there unprepared like
Hawaii.. If BYU beats 4 BCS teams in a year then they'll be somewhat
prepared for a BCS game..
The rankings are biased, so to judge a strength of schedule by rankings is
bogus. They say BCS conferences are the best, which raises their strength of
schedule, and then they bias all of their rankings upwards, thus proving their
own point. We need a playoff, or at least computer ONLY based ranking system
that does not allow voters prejudice, bias, ignorance, or ulterior motives to
determine rankings.If we don't believe the fairness of rankings now
then how can we judge them from the past, during BYU's "glory" days.
Hey Dick, didn't BYU lose to UTEP in 85?
Fresno State would be a great team to play...doubt that they have a vacancy at
the right time however.
If they want a lower tiered team, why not schedule in state schools like Utah
State or Weber State? At least those will draw fans to watch the game...
Pine View High School? The are just as good or better than Eastern
Washingon...That should help out
I say we play Utah twice. Nothing i would like more than one win over Utah,
would be two...hehe It is not fair it only happens in basketball
You hafve padded your schedule with two weak PAC-10 schools.... now you want to
bottom feed. That's the ay to get out of the MWC and into a real
conference....If you do bottom feed.... go for Appalachian State
This could all be solved with a playoff system.
Boise State would love to schedule another MWC patsy. They would love to roll
over BYU, Utah, or anyone else. Probably a good thing Nevada cancelled - BYU
would never get ranked after getting spanked by a WAC team.
I hate to break it to everyone, but BCS conferences are way ahead of non BCS
conferences. You can't in your right mind think that the Mountain West could
compete with the Pac 10, Big 12, SEC, or ACC. Maybe, the MWC could come close
to the Big East, but I'd take the Big East champ over the MWC champ any year.
So for all you who think the voting is biased, you need to get out and watch
some real football.
The question is wether they want a BCS Bowl game or a championship. Either way,
they need to go undefeated, but a third BCS opponent could make a difference if
a similar season were to happen that did this year, in getting into the
championship.(still a long shot, though)
To confused: Most of the dn's articles are poorly written. To
adress the scheduling issue. Take a page out of USC's book pete caroll has the
same anyone, anytime, anywhere attitude. He is also in favor of a playoff. On
the other hand Auburn cost themselves a shot at the national championship by
scheduling a patsy. Hawaii was a better team than they showed in the bowl game,
but they never played a team with that speed. On the flip side they didn't care
less because $13 million dollar payout. I think at this point BYU
knows they don't have a shot at a Natn'l title, so they're going for the payout.
BYU should face OK in the Fiesta next year. The Y would win. Ha, Ha, Ha!!!
Colorado School of Mines has a spot in their schedule. That would be a step
towards the BCS, right Bronco.
They should play Utah State.Coach Bronco Mendenhall will coach them to a
Nat Champ within two years.
This was an interesting article. I have to admit that back in the "glory days"
BYU was like the 12 year old in the neighborhood who alway plays sports with the
8 year old kids and struts around because he thinks he is so great. I'm with the poster "BCS Football". The BCS conferences are at a different
level than the MWC and other mid-majors. "Big Al" railed on the non-conference
schedules of OSU and Florida last year. Are you kidding me? An SEC or Big 10
conference schedule would chew the Cougars up and spit them out. This year's
Cougar team would not even have a winning record in the Big 10 or SEC.
BYU lost to Nevada a few years back due to Crowton not taking them seriously and
flying BYU over the morning of game day rather than the day before. Nevada
would have been killed by BYU in Provo in 2008, and pulled out rather than
facing the creaming. BYU should sue Nevada for breach of contract. BYU should
avoid another Eastern Washington on its schedule. The BCS teams can get away
with patsie opponents during the non-conference portion of their schedule
because of the strength of their conference opponents. BYU cannot get away with
it because the rest of the country doesn't respect the Mountain West for what it
is: the strongest football conference outside the BCS, by far. I would love
for BYU to play Boise State again, who showed through their recent bowl loss
that they aren't as good as they think they are.
First off BYU only cares about the money based on the $25 premium they put on
their bowl tickets. Second Bronco leads us on about how tough the
Mountain West is so we need to schedule easy teams as filler. Big Al Florida and
Ohio State schedule filler because the conferance schedule truley is tough. Pac
10, Big 12, SEC, and ACC are way better top to bottom than the Mountain West. #2
Air Force lossing to #6 Cal proves this.UNLV, Wyoming, San Diego,
Colorado State, New Mexico and Air Force should be the filler on the BYU
schedule. When we start acting like we went undefeated two seasons in a row and
Start scheduling quality teams out of conferance not the middle of the road
Pac-10 but Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida then we will not only be
worthy of a BCS Bowl but a shot at the National Championship.
Some of you people don't have a clue. Most schedules are worked out 4 to 5 years
in advance. When UCLA and Washington were scheduled, they were pretty good teams
-- as was Florida State which is on the 2009 schedule. And they may all be
pretty good again by the time we play them. BYU has scheduled some great game
during the past few years, as has Utah. Utah is going to the Big House next
year, and not for the first time.Get off your high horses fellow BYU
fans. We are not even assured of winning the conference. Look at the schedule.
All of the teams that went to bowls from the conference, except New Mexico, will
play us at their place. While the offense may be pretty good, the defense loses
a lot of players.Let's let the guys who are paid to coach and schedule do
their jobs and enjoy the ride.
Are you kidding me, besides Ohio St and Michigan you have middle of the road
teams. Illinois lucked into the BCS this year and USC's whooping of them proved
it. The SEC is the only conference that can legitimalely schedule patsy's for
non conference games because half of their conference is in the top 25. the Big
10 had three and one of those teams lost to App. St. Even the ESPN and other
nat'l announcers cringe when they talk about the BIG 10 strength of schedule.
Except 2004 evidently
To: ...how about (Jan 3, 8:22) As an Eastern Washington alum, you done crossed
the line. A little respect for my Eagles huh? As a season ticket holder at the
Y, I want the biggest and best they can get. You've got to beat the best to
feel you can beat them in a BCS game...ask Hawaii.
I've been looking at the conference for next year and it's going to be tough.
BYU plays at Utah, Air Force and TCU. Two of three won their bowl games and the
3rd nearly won. It will be tough to go 7-0 in conference next year but with our
returning cast on offense I'm excited for some fun games. I would like to see
BYU schedule another BCS school, that is the way to a nat'l title. Beating E.
Washington, Utah St., etc just goes to show the big boys we're scared to play
RE: BCS Football - "I'd take the Big East champ over the MWC champ any year."
Before you make a ridiculous comment like that, think just a little bit. Utah
beat the Big East Champ just a couple years ago in their BCS bowl game. I know
the MWC is not as good as all of the BCS conference teams, but I think teams
like BYU and Utah could compete pretty well some years. I don't think they would
be at the bottom every year like Stanford, Syracuse, Duke, Vanderbilt, and the
like. We aren't the best, but we sure aren't the worst.
--Big East Champ over MWC champ everytime? Apparently that person didn't watch
the Utah v Pitt Fiesta Bowl...--Oh and MWC teams typically do well
against the Big-East---or are at least on par with them the past several years
(think Utah at Louisville this year, for instance). Check your facts before you
go buying into ALL the BCS crud. --Even the SEC has yet to truly
prove their omnipotent presence during the bowl-season (did you catch the
Arkansas or Florida games?).--So what if BYU wants to pat it's
schedule. It will help get them to 10 wins.--If BYU is not going to
try and schedule a BCS team, I think Utah State or Weber State would be good for
BYU filler. If you're going that route, you might as well schedule an
I have to disagree that the BCS schools are at a different level. Non BCS
schools are 2-1 against their counterparts in BCS bowls. Furthermore, the
advantage that BCS schools have (in recruiting)would evaporate if there was
equality among the money and a shot at the national title was availabe to
Is this article about next year's schedule, previous years' schedules, past BYU
QB's records...? I can't tell where Dick is going with this one.
Coach Hill, Fresno State, put it best, "we will play anyone anytime. I
remember when BYU did the same. Added Georgia at Georgia (with Hershal), added
Florida State when they were the best in college football, added Texas A&M to
start the season. I get so sick of the North West South Washington's and the
South West East Illinois's. If BYU adds another patsy I hope they go undefeated
and play Georgia in the Sugar Bowl with the same results. With the team the Y is
getting back next year I would be talking to Florida State not North South West
East Iowa. Jay Nielsen
If Bronco is really raising the bar with the team, he needs to do it with the
scheduling too. Playing Eastern Washington's is not raising the bar. We need
to known as the team who schedules well, and two BCS and two D-1 teams is just
great, as long as those D-1 teams aren't Army's nor USU's. The SEC is pathetic
because they think they play such tough conference schedules so they schedule
pathetic teams out of conference. If a SEC team scheduled decent competition,
that team would get more respect than any other SEC team. BYU needs to schedule
well. Even with 2 losses a year, with great teams scheduled, that will do
wonders for the program. PLEAST DON'T SCHEDULE WEBER'S!!!!!
I would rather play and lose to 3 BCS programs a year than play and win against
3 weaklings (Eastern Washington, USU, etc). We have a built-in soft schedule
with UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, and CSU and sometimes they beat us! BCS teams have to
beat a minimum of 8 other BCS teams to win a championship. If we can't beat 3
BCS teams a year we don't deserve a BCS game. Fresno State is respected by
everyone in the country because they schedule tough non-conference games. Let's
follow their pattern and EARN respect, not try to buy it.
"Furthermore, the advantage that BCS schools have (in recruiting) would
evaporate if there was equality among the money and a shot at the national title
was available to everyone". You can't be serious. The way I figure it, even if
all of the fairy land stuff you said comes true, teams in the MWC would still be
recruiting players to small towns in the Intermountain West to teams very few
know anything about. Oh, and if you go to BYU you will have to obey an honor
code and attend school on a campus with basically no diversity to speak of.
Sounds like a great way to get top recruits 2 and 3 deep at every position.
Of course, it is impossible for BYU to get to the BCS with this upcoming
schedule. How can anyone look respectably at there schedule? They will for sure
schedule eastern washington or something like that again. Get a life cougs! Go
If they are looking for an easy victory, why doesn't BYU schedule a local Utah
school, like Weber State, Utah State, Dixie, or SUU?A game against
Boise state would be great!
A large majority of fans only want to watch a winning team, they could care less
if against E. Wash, Cent. Ill, etc.Holmoe and Mendenhall apparently
understand this and are just marketing their program. They do not want a return
to the Crowton era where they had losing records and a half full stadium.Real football fans want to see their team play the best and have a
chance to prove how good they really are. Unfortunately this is a minority of
the fans. BYU is about the money. They know winning sells tickets,
and as Hawaii proved, winning may just get you into a lucrative bowl game, even
if you aren't really that good. Holmoe wants bigger $$ and he'll
live with all the commentary about the fact his team didn't play a top 30
opponent all year, (like this year).
USU is already on the schedule. They may not be any good but they are division
1. Unlike the Weber's and Eastern Washington's. It is amazing to me that so
may die hards don't seem to know any of this.
Play them twice. They would sell out the stadium, and would be a major throwdown
between the two schools.Consider it an out of conference game.Play it on a nuetral field (ie. Vegas, Boise, ;-) San Diego...)
Start with a patsy like Weber St. or Northern Az. so your overrated offensive
line will get the jitters and penalties out of their system. Then a average BCS
team like like Baylor, Washington St. or Notre Dame on the road. Then a good BCS
at home and away. That way even if you can make it respectible and still lose,
BYU will still win in the minds of the media. When you lose a gimme like Tulsa,
then you lose twice. GO SNOW COL.
I think one thing that we are missing here is that everyone is saying BYU should
go out and schedule Georgia, Florida, Florida St, and LSU.... The fact is the
Big boys in the SEC, BIG 10, and PAC 10 cant afford a loss so they don't want to
play BYU and Utah and risk losing a game. They would rather play Utah State,
Wyoming, San Diego St. BYU and Utah can schedule the mid to lower BCS teams
because they will take the chance because they know when they get into
conference play they are already in trouble. If all you can get is Stanford,
Indiana, Northwestern, Duke or all of the bottom dwellers in these BCS
conferences then take it. Maybe by the time the games come up in 2010, 2011
they might have a good team. But at least you can say that you are playing BCS
Creampuffs, calling all creampuffs.
1. Scheduling a top opponet is tricky. No way to predict how they will be
ranked in the year the game takes place.2. If top recruits can be enticed
to go to Lincoln, Nebraska, Aimes, Iowa, or Lubbock, Texas, then no MWC location
should be an impediment - well, maybe Wyoming.3. Does anyone recall when
the Big Ten was routinely labeled as the Big Two in the national media.4.
The post-season schedule and the final rankings and national championship have
been rigged forever. The non-BCS schools are unwilling to take any action while
they wait for the crumbs to fall from the table of the big leagues. The MWC
champion against a middle of the pack PAC10 team??!!! That is seen as a fitting
end to the season?! The non-BCS schools should refuse to schedule ANY game with
ANY BCS opponet until they agee to abandon the cartel that is college football
today. They should develop their own playoff system between champions of the
non-BCS leagues. This is a risk, but why stay in a situation where we are
treated as weak little sisters. Maybe the non-BCS schools quitely believe that
is exactly what they are.
How is it that the writer of this article can use the D-word, but everytime I
write it, my gosh-darn comments don't get posted????
I say we schedule Hawaii in Hawaii, I've been looking for a good excuse to go to
the islands, and what better way then to watch Harvey run over the Rainbow
Since when are we all experts in the BCS, scheduling and coaching departments?
Since we sit back in our recliners with our cold drinks and pork rines? Let them
schedule it how they will and let it play out. If BYU really is "BCS caliber"
they'll get their chance to show it and they'll get the opportunity. If not, oh
well. We should all be glad that both BYU and Utah both have good, competitive
teams again. Its been a while since this has been the case.
to "sanevoice": I never claimed to be "die hard". I simply asked a
question about possible opponents to fill the vacant spot. But now that you've
set all of us non-die hards straight, we'll never comment on this forum ever
I've never eaten a pork rine in my life.Besides, it's not pork
"rine" but pork "rind".And I've never eaten one of those either. So
I think I'm qualified.
Holmoe and Bronco realize that even though Hawaii wasn't very good and got blown
out in the Sugar Bowl, they still ended up with about $8 million for the school.
Holmoe and Bronco might get a NICE bonus if BYU goes to a BCS game
nets $8 mil for BYU, even though they lose.They probably don't get a
big bonus for scheduling Michigan/ Florida/ etc., losing that game, ending up in
the "Meaningless Bowl", beating a 6-6 Pac 10 team and BYU neting $100K.
Coach Mendenhall says that the goal of the program is to win a National
Championship. However, he wants to model the schedule to a Hawaii-type schedule.
Well, Hawaii proved that the BCS formula would not allow for that schedule to
get to the BCS Championship. In fact, their undefeated record only got them to a
No. 10 ranking, not the needed No. 1 or 2. And that was even in a season when
Top 10 teams were constantly losing. So, Hawaii's season proved that they could
get to a BCS game, but if BYU's goal is to become a National Champ, then they
need to beef up the schedule. I say grab the scenario that allows Florida State
to jump their game to this year rather than later. That would be perfect to have
UCLA, Washington and Florida State. With the team BYU has coming back, I think
they could win each of those games.
Need I remind you responders that the MWC has 9 wins this season against BCS
competion? Where is their (BCS schools) claim to dominance? BCS schools beat
those same teams for their claim that their schedule is sooo tough. Also, every year at least a dozen Four and five star LDS recruits choose to go
to BCS schools over BYU and Utah. Why do they make that choice? Because they
want to play in a BCS conference. If BYU or Utah, or any other MWC school for
that matter, was in a BCS conference then they would get those recruits also. If
no BCS scandle/rackett exsisted we would see more parity in college football.
Period. As it is MWC teams already compete pretty well.
I am just laughing at all the ridiculous statements in these comments (as well
as some in the article--how bad UTEP was in 1985 and yet BYU lost to UTEP in
1985).I read about North Washington, Cent. Illinois, South Iowa in
these comments??? (Those schools don't exist. But, they keep getting mentioned).
BTW, Northern Iowa was a better team than either of the BCS Iowa teams this
year. Maybe BYU could schedule Northern Iowa.Schedule USU???
(already scheduled for 2008).USU on par with Eastern Washington???
(not in the same sub-division)Eastern Washington not Division I???
(don't tell them or any other Division I Football Championship Subdivision team
that unless you want to get an earful).MWC is bad??? (they just went
4-1 in bowl games better than any other conference).Big East
champion would beat the MWC champion in any year??? (In the only year that
happened, Utah beat Pitt 31-7).BYU can go 7-0 in MWC next year???
(Who aren't they going to play?)Tulsa is a gimme game??? (They won
their division and still have a bowl to play this year).Thanks for
all the laughs and many more not mentioned.
Everyone needs to chill out and face the reality. BYU is looking for the best
game that they can get because most schools have little incentive to change
their existing schedules. BYU will help fill a stadium, so some may take the
bite.As for filling it with Utah St. or Weber St...those schools
know the phone number if they want that game. I am sure that their A.D.'s have
been spoken to by now. Oh..Eastern Washington critics: EWU advanced in their
playoff and narrowly lost to Appalachian St. Ignorance of their program is not
an excuse to assume it is horrible--Wash St. hired the EWU coach, remember?Make all the fun you want out of Tulsa (Conf.USA west champ)--they
weren't the bottom of that conference. Would you prefer Iowa St, Baylor, or
Northwestern, or Minnesota (BCS cellar dwellars)? If so, then how can you rant
on Arizona or UCLA? At least they finished in the middle of their conference.
Playing a Big 12 school might eliminate a rematch game, but those schools
already have their preferences. For example, how many times has Colorado played
Utah or BYU? They prefer CSU or Wyoming.
Let's get Southern Utah on the schedule. The money stays in-state and helps a
local program. And it's a guaranteed win, and that's what really
I love all the stupid comments that infer that the 'big boys' won't play the
MWC.. how do you explain the utes trip to the big house next year.. Bronco is a
fool to think that scheduling 'easy' wins will help his cause in making the bcs.
Hey Bronco, here's a tip, follow in the footsteps of the FIRST BCS buster.. play
anyone, anywhere and beat them by at least 20..
Good point, Kevin of Arkansas.It has a lot to do with the money.
Regardless of how well Hawaii did in New Orleans, all WAC teams are getting a
pretty big payout this year on top of the one last year from Boise State. The
MWC got one after the 2004 season. The system is set up now so that a non-BCS
conference champion should be able to bring home the payout to the conference.
The MWC needs to be focusing on becoming regulars in the BCS bowls, before a
national championship will be possible. If the MWC champion can regularly get
into a BCS bowl, it will help even out money issues and open up more
Just schedule a game with Timpview. That entire team is going to end up at BYU
anyway. It's like the California Angels playing the Salt Lake Bees in preseason,
giving your minor league team a chance to see how it compares. It also would be
good for Timpview to get more players to transfer in.
First, to all of you "BCS conference" chest thumpers...If and when MWC teams
receive the same CASH and Recruiting pool afforded to the BCS teams, then you
can have at your MWC bashing. But until then, just be happy that your team in
on the side with the upper hand and keep your mounth shut. Otherwise you are
looking foolish."TO be the best, you have to play the best"...Had
Hawaii scheduled to this standard, then they would have not made a complete FOOL
out of themselves at ther sugar bowl. DIV 2A schools schedule the
powerhouse 1A schools in order to receive a butte kicking and a paycheck.
Appears this is all that Hawaii had in mind at the sugar bowl...If so, it
...so Utah, UCLA, TCU, Tulsa, AFA...None are top 30?
I have a friend who worked for the Fiesta Bowl committee for several years. Her
stories of fabricated and minipulated computer rankings would have made good
fiction, except it was reality. The objective of bowl committees is all about
scheduling and dollars. Early in the season they start the ranking manipulation
to ensure they will get at least one of their pre-season choices. The deals
between other bowl committees is ledgendary even if dishonest. It's all about
money my friends and has nothing to do with the competitive best --- look at the
three blowouts in three BCS games thus far this year. I wholeheartedly agree
with whomever suggested that the Mtn embrace the concept of a two tiered system
with this twist; let the five BSC bowls do their thing and let the rest of Div-1
conferences, including the runnerups in the BCS conferences have a thirty two
team playoff. Both would end at about the same time (kind of like the AFC and
NFC) Then maybe someone whould dare suggest a championship game between the two.
I know, I'm a dreamer.
BYU should get rid of the bottom dwellers on their schedule. Like Utah. They
should schedule teams that have non-whiners for fans.Just drop Utah
off the schedule and BYU would still be 7-0 instead of 8-0 and since none of the
other MWC teams can go undefeated they would still win the Championship. They should go with a BCS team that is far better than Utah. Like
Stanford or Baylor.
Have BYU schedule Ditka.
Face it--BYU will never win another National Championship in football unless the
BCS sham converts to a playoff system. Under the current system, a non-BCS team
will not get the votes necessary to be ranked high at the beginning of the
season nor at the end of the season. With one loss, non-BCS schools can fall up
to 10 points in the polls. Regardless how tough their schedule is.If
BYU wants to be the national champ again, they better start negotiating a move
to a BCS conference. (The MWC should at least be able to replace the Big East
as a BCS conference.) Until that time be satisfied with #5 when all is said and
Did anyone watch the BCS game this season with the only undefeated team, Hawaii
playing Georga? 10-43or something close to that score; It was sad. It
had a bad message. It was a great Mid Major team vs an average BCS team. If we can't beat 4 of the weakest BCS team in a season, instead of
taking on 2 Division 2 teams + 2 so - so BCS teams, I don't think that we
deserve a BCS Bowl. I will never watch BYU play a division 2 team. Even when
Notre Dame is at it's lowest playing level, they would never take on a division
2 team. Why should we?
Games with high schools and junior colleges are not allowed. They may be fun to
imagine, but that is as far as it goes.Dixie State is NCAA Division
II (and should have completed their transition), but playing a team at that
level will hurt bowl chances.SUU is NCAA Division I FCS and may or
may not be a count team, depending on the full time equivalent scholarships they
have. They were barely a count team in 2006. I don't know about 2007. But, it
would be a risk to schedule them and have them turn out to be a non-count
team.There are some Div I FCS teams that can be expected to count
and playing them would be the same in terms of post season play as playing a
bottom feeder from Div I FBS like USU.I personally would like to see
more Utah and BYU games with the Big 12.
I'd like to see them schedule a BCS opponent, but I don't think they'd be able
to. I think the BCS teams are looking for patsies--guaranteed wins, and BYU is
just good enough to make them nervous. But, I hate scheduling 1-aa teams, (I
guess that's like a BCS team scheduling BYU though).Jon
Re: Utah vs. Michigan. I got news for you all look back at Utahs BCS busting
year. They had a very Hawaii type schedule as well. They didn't play anybody
special. BYU was pretty bad that year as well. If that Utah team played last
years or even this years cougar team they have alot harder time going
undefeated. Point is Utah is playing a Michigan team that was upset by
Appalachian State. And they are losing some very good seniors. Right now I
don't think they are anything special. That being said neither is Utah. I
don't see anyone on their schedule the cougs can't beat, especially if Max Hall
improves during the off season.
In 2004, Utah played Arizona, Texas A&M and North Carolina. hardly Hawaii's
schedule. And oh ya, they won their BCS game, going away. The one thing you are
correct about was that their last game was against a marshmellow (BYU) circa
2004. Get a clue.
SUU is already playing Air Force to open the season. I'm sure they don't want to
get trounced by two MWC teams in one season. They already have one of the
hardest schedules in the FCS let alone if they scheduled 2 FBS teams.
Don't do it! Don't disgrace the team and the BYU name by playing down to get a
$14+ million dollar BCS bowl. I would rather pay a $25.00 surcharge to see a
low level BCS team get beat by us than to do like UCLA did and give away $50.00
ticktets for $30.00 or less because their fans would not watch them play a mid
major team in a bowl game.Hawaii disgraced all mid major teams from
the MWC, the WAC, MAC, C-USA playing in the BCS bowl with their high rankings
and their perfect win column, and then when put to the test against a middle of
the road BCS team, the Georga, that Hawaiian team looked like a poor High School
vs. the greatest BCS team in America. They were a bad joke.Don't
let BYU be a bad joke in a bowl that we don't belong it. If we schedule at the
very least, the poorest BCS teams for our out of conference games, and if we win
them and all of our own conference games, we will have a chance without shame,
for the big dance in the BCS bowl and hopefully win. Go Cougars.
The biggest hurdle to national prominence is recruiting. Try telling a top
recruit a conference championship will win him the number 5 PAC 10 team, then
look at his face. BCS teams will never relinquish that great advantage and the
NCAA will never even the playing field. The best chance to generate
excitement for outside teams is a playoff. Take the best 16 you can get(BCS
teams may refuse to come at first.) Fans will love it. If the NCAA withholds
sanctioning then it's time to sacrifice their approval and establish a seperate
governing body that will provide truer fairness. Let's not leave the bullies in
charge of us. In the meantime, BYU should schedule the best teams it can.
That's the fun of college football. A top opponent in the regular season is a
better game than a lesser opponent in a bowl game. By the way, I hope BYU
and Utah are ready to clear the hurdles and break into the top tier on a regular
You all know nothing!!! Try and find me one "BCS" team out there that doesnt
already have a set schedule for next year? Sue Nevada for getting the "itis" and
play whoever has an opening. With more money, Utah schools would get better
players. If for nothing else, we have the greatest snow on earth.
The point is you zoobie dork that you won't get national respect until your team
and coach go out and earn it. The utes did something Hawaii didn'f if your small
brain can remember.. they WON the fiesta bowl against an averge big east champ.
Ute Disproved the bcs myth.. hawaii (and byu) reinforce the concept the bcs
schools are better by talking and then not showing up for bowl games..If
byu is so good why is bronco so afraid to go to a SEC, Big 10, PAC 10 powerhouse
and play them.. obviously the ute squad has 'a pair' and is willing to EARN some
respect for the MWC.. and by the way Michigan just beat florida and is as deep
as any school in the country, so there is no drop off even if they have seniors
Dick Harmon, I have always been a fan of yours since you have been writing in
Salt Lake City and back in the days when you wrote in Provo. I do hope that you
print this post.Please take a poll. How many would rather pay a
surcharge of $25.00 and watch BYU play a team from the Pac 10 and win it, after
playing 4 of the easiest BCS teams for the non conference games, orHow many would rather BYU play 2 patsy 2A type teams, or the the likes of Utah
State and New Mexico State and end up in a BCS bowl that we can't win, do to
lack of experience playing real BCS teams? (Hawaii example)Does
taking us back to glory days mean that we must play down in order to get the
wins? or Does playing up with the best of the American teams get us the real
glory that BYU deserves?I, for one, love BYU and our Cougars, too
much, to ever, ever, ever watch them play a Division 2 team.I pledge it.
Did you watch college football this season, besides USC, Georgia was playing the
best football of anyone in the country going into the Bowl games. They easily
could have played against Ohio St for the nat'l title this year. They were
ranked 3rd in the BCS before championship week and somehow dropped to 5th
without playing a game and missouri losing.
Ah, let's just schedule the Utes twice this next season.
Arkansas has an opening in their schedule for 2008. Last I checked, they are a
BCS school. Has BYU contacted them?
To be the best you have to play the best and win!!! I have to sit down here one
more time in Vegas and watch BYU play EWU or UTEP, what a joke!!! I agree with
everyone who agrees not to hide in an "early home game" just to practice. Where
are the days when BYU took on the likes of Miami? The Utes are the only game I
can stand to watch unless it's Wyoming with the beer chugging, Cougar haters!!
Bottom Line, stop looking for a glorified high school team to agree to get
slaughtered for the money. BYU AD needs some help
Why do Utah fans need to beat up the fact that BYU won't win a Nat Champ
again?We did it before, we can do it again.Utes could
too, but then again, then couldn't do it in the first place.Just sit
back and watch your big Bros. go!!!
The MWC is as good as the big east in total. Utah has never lost to a big east
team, including this year's win at Louisville.Utah and BYU would
struggle in the Pac-10 and the SEC, but not the other conferences. They would
compete pretty well there.BYU has to start beating the big boys.
Scheduling patsies will never get you there.
Want national/BCS respect? Schedule USC, LSU, or Ohio State next year. Then
win THAT game impressively AND go undefeated including the Mediocre West
Conference schedule. Anything else is just spitting in the wind and nobody
Like someone said earlier, scheduling is done years in advance. The chances
that a BCS conference that has an open date on the schedule are slim anyway.
Hawaii's meltdown makes it even harder for non-BCS schools to get invited to the
dance. Let's face it, the stars have to absolutely align perfectly for the Y to
go undefeated next year...and with trips to UW, TCU, and U on the schedule...I
don't see it happening.BYU will have a respectable season...barring
injury, but going undefeated is a bit optimistic to say the least. So that
being said, we should play the best competition available...not just settle for
an in state team. BSU would be good...but didn't they lose to East Carolina in
Hawaii after being up big? I hope the U takes down Michigan next
year...that would be cool to see. The more the little guys can beat up on the
so-called "big" guys, it's a good thing for all of us.
07- Utah State,06- Utah State, Northern Arizona (what you scheduled a
Division II team, gasp)05- Utah State, North Carolina (yes they were a
patsie...and you lost)04- Utah State, North CarolinaAnd for
next year you beefed up your schedule with...Weber State! Good luck with that
What kind of standard are you trying to set? You say that they have to win a
game impressively against USC, LSU or OSU, and then go undefeated in conf
play...which other team this year has done that?Did OSU do that, how
about USC or even LSU? Top to bottom, the SEC is the toughest conference this
year. However, the Big Least is not impressive, and neither is the ACC outside
of a couple teams each. Both Utah and BYU would do well against any team in a
single bowl game with preparation.Come down from your "elitest" BCS
perch and start making some sense.
A special thanks to: Jay @ 10:23 P.M.; The Bar @ 10:31; Oregon cougs @ 10:39;
National Champs Not @ 1:18; Anonymous @1:18 and Optimist @ 1:43 for wanting our
Cougars to enjoy the respect they deserve.I remember the last season
of Lavel Edwards. I'm not positive of the teams we played. I believe it was
Florida State, Mississippi State, Georga Tec and Virginia. It was a very
difficult season. We had many injuries, We barely escaped with a winning
season. I have never every been more proud to say I was a cougar fan than I was
that year.Ron Uharriet. firstname.lastname@example.org Replys welcome.
It all boils down to respect and/or money.For mid-majors, it's not
about respect. It's about the money. They'll never have the respect of anyone.
When they play down, they lose respect for playing down, and when they play up
they lose.For BCS teams, it's about respect. The BCS conferences
already have the money all tied up in their pockets, dealing out just enough of
it to other conferences to keep from getting their monopoly and anticompetitive
practices investigated and sued or broken up.BCS teams can play for
respect. MWC and WAC teams don't play for respect. The best they can hope for
is to balance their schedule just right to be neither too weak nor too strong,
break into a BCS bowl with a perfect record and make several million dollars to
share with their conference. Utah and Boise claim they weren't respected by
getting to play a "better" BCS bowl (i.e. the championship game) and Hawaii is
dissed as only getting in because their schedule was too weak. No respect.
Just money. Keep throwing us nibbles, BCS, and we will keep throwing our
respect away for a few million dollars.
Sure Utah and BYU would jump at the chance to get into the BCS Pac 10 or the Big
12. The problem is, neither of those conferences will let us in.Sure, it could be argued that the MWC is almost as good as the Big East. The
problem is, the BCS will not buy that argument.So what can we do?
We can stop playing Patsey schools. We can bring into the MWC teams like
Hawaii, Boise State, Fresno State and the very best team from all Mid Major
conferences.We divide the 13 teams into a top division of 6 and a
bottom division of 7. For our non conference games, we schedule as many BCS
teams as possible. The other games we take from the opposite division of our
own conference. We never schedule anyone below our conference.Boise
State, Hawaii, Fresno State and any other Mid Major team would jump at the
chance of playing in such a conference.BCS would either, have to
replace the Big East with MWC or they would have to add the MWC as an additional
BCS team.This could never happen playing teams below our conference.
Cougars deserve the best.
Schedule the Aggies twice, then you got two victories guaranteed.
I would rather lose to a top ranked team then watch us kill a team like Eastern
Washington. The trend here looks like 75% of BYU fans want a real challenge and
nothing less. Respect will come only by scheduling and beating the big boys. I
think BYU would be better off becoming independent of a particular conference.
It does not matter who BYU schedules, the BCS conferences have made this an
unfair fight. The amount of money that the BCS teams get to relish in every year
keeps making the gap between mid-major and the BCS teams grow bigger every year.
Until every team is invited into the "dance" like basketball, we should be happy
with 10 or 11 wins and a bowl game.
I wish BYU could schedule Utah twice.Utah would have two 34-31 wins
in the same season.That would really be twice as nice!
The reason BCS conferences are so far ahead of non-BCS conferences is because
after the arbritary designation of "BCS Conferences" was made, the decision
makers then put in their system a method of exclusion - funneling in the big BCS
bucks into their conferences by way of bowl tie-ins. Non-BCS schools are not
inherently worse than their BCS counterparts. However, the current system is
designed to perpetuate the financial and reputational disparity that are the
major determinants of on-field success.The sooner the bowl money can
be shared fairly, the sooner all D-1 schools will be able to recruit and compete
on a level playing field. Until then, non-BCS schools will always suffer an
unfair disadvantage.As for scheduling, for the season ticket holders
(I am not one - live 1500 miles away) I would rather see a decent BCS team or
upper level non-BCS school fill the slot to pique fan and media interest.
Beck to Harline.Hall to Collie. Unga. Fui.Tonga.How many memories are your poor Utes willing
to help Cougar Fans make?
I think everyone missed the between the lines part of this story. Harmon gets
behind the scenes info out of Cougar-land so this article really means
something.He lays out how Lavell Edwards did it during the 1980's.
He scheduled a couple tough non-conference, a couple easy non-conference and
then the conference. Dick Harmon is letting us know that the
decision has been made. They are calling large high schools, small junior
colleges and maybe even a Division 2 - getting Appalachiend is now the big fear
around the country.I for one would rather watch BYU play and lose to
a real team than play and beat a high school team. Sadly, what we want doesn't
matter. Wait a few weeks and we will learn we get a match with Podunk University
junior varsity.I pray I am wrong but...Dick Harmon all but said it.
The great fun used to be reading Dicks stuff just to see what a locked-in homer
sounded like when he wrote something. Over the last year or so, they've become
more like a puzzle and the reader gets to look forward to figuring out just what
the hell he's talking about. I mean really. It's like he starts with the
essence of an idea and just keeps typing, with or without a serious attempt at
editing. Once in a while some really good info about the program is there, but
most of the time, it's better now to skip on by. Thanks for the memories Dick.
I think Dixie College is available for your hopeful BCS run.
Michigan Lost to Appalachian State, beat Eastern Mich 33-22Ohio St with
wins against Youngstown St., Akron and Kent St.USC with win vs. Idaho and
LOSS to StanfordFlorida wins vs. Western Kentucky, Troy and Florida
AtlanticLSU with wins vs Louisianna Tech, Tulane and Middle TennesseeKansas wins vs. Central Michigan, Southeastern Louisiana, Toledo, Florida
International.Comparing BYU: Average BYU year in a BCS
conf: 3 wins against patsy above, Wins against 3 bottom dwellers like stanford,
split against the middle four like UCLA and Arizona, BYU sits at 8-2 with games
against the top two like USC. Good years they may win, bad years they may lose.
Similar to any team in any BCS conf.Nobody is saying BYU would be
dominating in the BCS, just saying on their good years they can compete and if
things fall their way, would win a national championship. We just want the
chance.If '04 Utah would of had the chance, I believe they would
have won. Look at all the NFL players on that team.The polls are
opinions, which makes the system unfair.Put it on the field in a playoff
How about UVU? Don't they have a football team yet?
I don't think anyone from the athletic department is followibg this blog looking
for ideas.Whomever they play, I am sure they will be competative as
usual.I am happy that the blog gives the Ute fans a place to blow
off steam, not alot ofUte things happening
Memo to all you BCS commentators:BCS teams are all over the map in
the rankings. All lot of the ranking problems this past season relate to key
injuries on teams that early on were highly ranked and then fell down, i.e. the
Oregon Ducks, etc. One bottom line is you have to be in the prestige
conferences to be in the BCS. You can't be in mediocre conferences like the
MWC, etc. which have no business playing for a championship. Sure a lot of the
complainers want a playoff system. The fact of the matter is the entire season
is the playoffs. If teams want to be considered for major consideration at the
end of the year they should win all the games, for one thing, and don't schedule
inferior teams. TV exposure is also another thing. The east coast and the
mid-east and mid-west sections of the country will always be given perhaps undue
attention in the rankings....that is just reality. For that reason, the MWC
should reconsider what it has done with TV. The cream of the crop in the
MWC....BYU, Utah, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming (the top echelon) are doing
about all they can do....
It pains me to think of consciously scheduling a div 2 team...you are only as
good as your competition. We are severely underexposed as it is. Go for an East
Coast team so we can give people some reason to talk about BYU outside of the
Rocky Mountains. The MWC is already a 2nd tier conference so we have
no need to dumb down our schedule. If Holmoe doesn't grasp how we market and
recruit by playing in better markets, then he should be let go!
play Eastern Washington who gave app. state (lost 38-35) as good a game as
Michigan, than play bottom tier WAC schools. Did you know that Eastern
Washington had a higher Sagarin rating than 3 WAC schools, including Utah State.
Also to those who put BCS conferences heads and shoulders above the MWC...This
year I believe the MWC was 5-6 versus the PAC-10. Sounds pretty close to me.
How about Appalachian state? I hear they are looking for another victim like
meaningless conference with meaningless pull. who cares who is scheduled. it
will not matter. BYU is not a joke but if it keeps on trying to be a flagship
fpr this ridiculous MWC they soon will be. besides i heard that the orem tigers
would be happy to play the Y.
BYU's schedule & results for the last 30 years were published in a recent
article. As an enginerd, I took it upon myself to crunch some numbers and see
what turned up. I didn't do a full regression analysis, just a simple
statistical correlation. Here's what I found.I looked at total wins
& losses, conference wins & losses, wins & losses against BCS teams, whether or
not they played in a bowl game, whether they won their bowl, Sagarin's strength
of schedule (only had data for last 10 years), and final ranking (used Sagarin's
rankings for last 10 years if we weren't ranked in polls). Some interesting
correlations turned up.If respect = being ranked high in the polls
at the end of the year, then, in order, the most important correlations are
(Pearson correlation factor in parenthesis): losses (0.932), wins
(0.881), playing in a bowl game (0.794), winning that bowl game
(0.603), # of win's vs. BCS teams (0.551), # of losses vs. BCS teams
(0.532). All these correlation factors have a P-value
I reached my 200 word limit but still had more to say!In that same
statistical correlation, I found that SOS was INVERSELY proportional to final
ranking, which isn't all that surprising. Playing tougher teams means more
losses. More losses means lower ranking. In 2004, for example, we played the
11th most difficult schedule in the country (according to Sagarin). We played
ND, Stanford, Boist St. & USC out of conference, the last two of which went
24-1. Oh, and Utah wasn't bad that year either (!).The most BCS
teams we've played in 1 year was in '85 when we played 4 in the regular season,
plus Ohio St. in the Holiday bowl (& lost 10-7, finishing with a #16 ranking).
And even then one of the BCS teams was Temple (a 26-24 win on the road). Plus
we beat up on USU to help get us to 11 W's.Bronco said the "formula"
has been established, and he used that word correctly. Ranking = few losses +
lots of wins + a few BCS games (preferably wins but not the deal breaker) + bowl
win. He is following that formula to the letter.
Last comment, then I'll shut up! (I just had so much fun crunching these #'s; I
can't believe people get paid to do this!)In all of BYU's "glory
days", we've never won more than 2 consecutive bowl games, and only twice
('79-'81, '83-'85) have we been ranked at the end of 3 consecutive seasons. In
terms of record and average final ranking, the best 3-year stretch was '83-'85
when we went 35-4 and finished with an average ranking of #8 (#7, #1, #16). If
Bronco follows the "formula" next year and schedules a "Nevada-type" opponent to
fill our open slot, AND IF (big IF) we go undefeated (8-0 in conf + 2 BCS-conf
wins against UW & UCLA + 2 non-BCS wins vs. USU & ?? + a bowl win vs. a BCS-conf
team), our 3-year record would be . . . 35-4. We'd definitely be ranked in the
top 10, probably top 5. Assuming we finish #17 this year & #5 next year, that
would be a 3-year average of #13. Not as good as #8, but definitely a return to
the "glory days".I KNOW it's a BIG IF, but hey, the off-season is
for dreaming, right?
Let them play the big boys. If we can show that we can compete with the BCS
schools, maybe, one day BYU can join a BCS conference!!!!
I dare Bronco to schedule Appalachian State!
Do we really sound like intelligent college students when we insist on talking
about a National Championship when we are afraid to play for non conference
games, four BCS teams, even if it is the seller dwellers from the five BCS
conferences? Wow, if we don't have the confidence that we can beat
the four worst BCS teams in the Nation, how can we be talking about winning a
National Championship. The Coach knows that we can't win a National
Championship or he wouldn't be balancing two low BCS teams, with two seller
dwellers from the Mid Majors or even take the lower dip into the Division 2
level. How can we have the confidence when our own coach does not
have the confidence. Words of greatness are worthless if not backed
up with action. Remember, BCS teams must play at least eight other BCS teams in
order to be considered for a BCS Bowl, much less a national championship. Let the coach know that we want to earn respect by playing respectful
teams. We can't be given respect when we choose only losers to play for non
Utah scheduled Weber State?!!! And their fans are trashing BYU. This is great
Let's be honest, a playoff system probably doesn't favor the Coogs or the Utes.
Both schools would acquit themselves pretty well in a single game
against any school in the country with some time to heal and prepare, as in a
bowl game. But in almost any playoff format you gotta play multiple
times in less than a month. Playoffs favor deep teams with deep
pockets. That's why in the NCAA tourney cinderellas (say those seeded 12 or
higher) have never made it to the Final Four.The Coogs and Utes best
hope is to either turn the MWC into a BCS Conference, or move to one.
I think it is time that Holmoe invites Appalachian State to Provo and proclaim
that game as the National Championship next year for the lower subdivision.
PART TWO:I hope Bronco can keep the men focused and the fabulous
sophs can improve over the off-season. I am also very excited about some of the
JC kids they picked up that were highly recruited all over the country and a few
will probably start in the secondary this coming season. A lot to be excited
about in 2008!
BYU WILL NEVER GO TO A BCS BOWL. YOU IDIOTS SAY THIS EVERY YEAR THEY GO TO A
CRAPPY BOWL AND FINISH IN THE TOP 25. THE TRUTH IS THERE ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD
TEAMS OUTSIDE OF THE TOP 25 THAT COULD FREAKIN KILL BYU. IT's A LAUGH THAT YOU
GUYS ALWAYS SAY NEXT YEAR WE SHOULD BE IN A BCS GAME. THINK ABOUT IT! IT WOULD
BE A LOPSIDES GAME IF THEY PLAYED GEORGIA, VIRGINIA TECH, USC, LSU, MICHIGAN,
and any other major BCS school.