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Goals | 11:59 a.m. Dec. 24, 2007
We all fall short of our goals and then hopefully learn from that and do better
the next time - but rarely do we exceed our goals. So don't count on the Y
playing in a BCS bowl if that is not something they are picturing and striving
for. Accomplishments like that don't tend to just fall in your lap (as a
non-BCS team) when your real goal was only a conference championship. I
guarantee you Hawaii had a goal of a BCS bowl this year. I guarantee you Urban
Meyer had his Utes thinking bigger than a MWC championship too. BYU gives
scholarships hoping to produce more than just MWC champs and an increased Utah
County marriage rate.
Y grad Y dad | 12:01 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I sure hope you guys are nice to your kids and the neighbors' dog. Go
ahead, spill your bile here so you can be a decent human being the rest of the
time.
I was there from 80 to 84. BYU was a program that hungered for national excellence since before 1980, and that hunger and drive, combined with a lot of top 20 losses ahead of us, resulted in a National Championship and then a Heisman.
Those that went before helped earn it too, and this year's team put another piece in the foundation. You keep scoffing, they'll keep striving. Most of you realists are truly pathetic. Enjoy your miserable lives and continue to scoff at those who dare to dream of more than mediocrity.
I was there from 80 to 84. BYU was a program that hungered for national excellence since before 1980, and that hunger and drive, combined with a lot of top 20 losses ahead of us, resulted in a National Championship and then a Heisman.
Those that went before helped earn it too, and this year's team put another piece in the foundation. You keep scoffing, they'll keep striving. Most of you realists are truly pathetic. Enjoy your miserable lives and continue to scoff at those who dare to dream of more than mediocrity.
Barc | 12:09 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I don't think the writer of this article is trying to say BYU WILL go BCS,
but instead they have the potential (not guarantee) and should have the goal
(gotta dream big, right?) to hit BCS.
So for all the Ute fans and pragmatic Cougs lets just chill out. This article was written just to get us all waging a war of words on these boards. BYU should try to win every game, and they might just do it. We'll just have to see. How we played UCLA in Vegas (even if we would have blown them out) doesn't mean we'll do well or poorly next season. Who knows...if we would have spanked em in Vegas maybe we wouldn't be ready for them in Provo 08.
So for all the Ute fans and pragmatic Cougs lets just chill out. This article was written just to get us all waging a war of words on these boards. BYU should try to win every game, and they might just do it. We'll just have to see. How we played UCLA in Vegas (even if we would have blown them out) doesn't mean we'll do well or poorly next season. Who knows...if we would have spanked em in Vegas maybe we wouldn't be ready for them in Provo 08.
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Laughing in Orem | 12:17 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Sorry to all you Utah fans out there but BYU won. I'm laughing at all the
excuses Ute fans are trying to make and looking for ways to tear BYU down.
The Cougars won the MWC by going undefeated!
We beat Utah again! Starting to feel like old times.
We won our bowl game again!
All this while supposedly in a "rebuilding year".
NIce job cougars. The local D.I.'s are filling up with ute gear again...
The Cougars won the MWC by going undefeated!
We beat Utah again! Starting to feel like old times.
We won our bowl game again!
All this while supposedly in a "rebuilding year".
NIce job cougars. The local D.I.'s are filling up with ute gear again...
cougars1 | 12:20 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
It sure is good to be a Cougar fan... while our program has the BCS as it's
goal for 08, the utes have beating UNLV as theirs.
Who cares about the Yewts | 12:29 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Go Cougars!!!!!!
dennyG | 12:35 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
The Cougars playing in a BCS bowl is as likely as the second coming.
Don't wait up for it.
Don't wait up for it.
billy bob | 12:35 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I don't think BYU will ever win another national championship..Most of the
players are married and have a number one priority of family, and the ones who
win national championships have a priority #1 of winning a championship, then
family and other things, but football is number one to them...
Just enjoy the fact they have done as good as they have..winning a national championship is not as important a family anyway. I'm sure God will not ask the boys about their championship as he will about how well they took care of their families...
It was fluke they won in "83" OU would have beat them had they played them because OU players live for football.
Good job BYU !!!!
Just enjoy the fact they have done as good as they have..winning a national championship is not as important a family anyway. I'm sure God will not ask the boys about their championship as he will about how well they took care of their families...
It was fluke they won in "83" OU would have beat them had they played them because OU players live for football.
Good job BYU !!!!
re: Facts | 12:44 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
FACT: BYU only returns 4 starters on D!
FACT: Bronco is a horrilbe coach vs non-conference opponents, 1 game over .500 and two of those vs 1AA teams.
FACT: BYU will lose at Washington, at TCU, AT UTAH
FACT: UTAH owns the current 5 year series, 10 year series, 15 year series, and the overall series.
FACT: The last two championships for byu had to be magic!
FACT: The last two championships for Utah; Utah either blew out byu or shut them out!
FACT: UTAH has more players coming back them BYU
FACT FACT FACT: Just ask UTAH, Boise State, and Hawaii who the real BCS busters are!!!!!!
FACT: at this point Utah, byu, AF, NM, utah state, boise state, Hawaii, WYO, San Jose state all have a shot at going to the BCS next year, they will all start 0-0. Bronco will prove again how bad a coach he is next year when he losses 3-4 games, probalbly all will be non-conference games and at utah.
FACT: What happened in 2001 when byu was supposed to go to the B!!CS, that is right-70+ points to Hawaii
FACT: Bronco is a horrilbe coach vs non-conference opponents, 1 game over .500 and two of those vs 1AA teams.
FACT: BYU will lose at Washington, at TCU, AT UTAH
FACT: UTAH owns the current 5 year series, 10 year series, 15 year series, and the overall series.
FACT: The last two championships for byu had to be magic!
FACT: The last two championships for Utah; Utah either blew out byu or shut them out!
FACT: UTAH has more players coming back them BYU
FACT FACT FACT: Just ask UTAH, Boise State, and Hawaii who the real BCS busters are!!!!!!
FACT: at this point Utah, byu, AF, NM, utah state, boise state, Hawaii, WYO, San Jose state all have a shot at going to the BCS next year, they will all start 0-0. Bronco will prove again how bad a coach he is next year when he losses 3-4 games, probalbly all will be non-conference games and at utah.
FACT: What happened in 2001 when byu was supposed to go to the B!!CS, that is right-70+ points to Hawaii
Dewaine M. Brown | 12:47 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I like Bronco's affirmation of Anae. That exhibits trust. Trust endures and
grows. Criticism diminishes.
Bronco is very wise.
Bronco is very wise.
BCS goal | 12:55 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Are you people stupid? I ask that in all sincerity.
No one is saying that beating UCLA (meaning that win alone) qualifies them for a BCS game. What the Cougars are saying is they needed to win that game so that they could start the season next year in the top 20, thus allowing them a shot at a BCS game.
If LSU had not started in the top ten (preseason), there is no way on God's green earth they could have lost TWO games and still made it to the National Championship Game.
Both the Utes and the Cougars need to start in the top 20 - both are worthy of it. Navy, just like UCLA were not great teams to play. But every one steps up for their bowl game and plays their best (just ask Boise State if you don't think that's the case - East Carolina - give me a break).
The Cougars have a great team returning, so having the BCS as your goal seems only natural. Or should they set a goal of lets say: 9-3 - use your heads people. BCS goals have to start now!
No one is saying that beating UCLA (meaning that win alone) qualifies them for a BCS game. What the Cougars are saying is they needed to win that game so that they could start the season next year in the top 20, thus allowing them a shot at a BCS game.
If LSU had not started in the top ten (preseason), there is no way on God's green earth they could have lost TWO games and still made it to the National Championship Game.
Both the Utes and the Cougars need to start in the top 20 - both are worthy of it. Navy, just like UCLA were not great teams to play. But every one steps up for their bowl game and plays their best (just ask Boise State if you don't think that's the case - East Carolina - give me a break).
The Cougars have a great team returning, so having the BCS as your goal seems only natural. Or should they set a goal of lets say: 9-3 - use your heads people. BCS goals have to start now!
Rivalry: BYU vs UCLA | 12:55 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
sure it could develop, and it would be a very good thing for both teams, esp.
BYU. Next fall, it will be a very big game, nationally. Good headlines and
background story. Please ESPN, send the "A" gang to Provo.
As for the Las Vegas Bowl: Throw out the previous history and hype (6-6 season, injuries, fired coach etc). It wasn't the same team. Walker had UCLA ready and they came to play. All of his NFL experience along with the blue chip players from southern california and the Big 10 offensive coordinators, it was all on the line, dude.
BYU was out coached the entire game, up until the final three seconds, when Bronco DID NOT ice the kicker. Everyone on the UCLA team was expecting the triditional "time out from the sideline" to ice the kicker. Guess what?
The entire kicking team was surprised and caught off guard by the "no call" from the BYU sideline.
As for the Las Vegas Bowl: Throw out the previous history and hype (6-6 season, injuries, fired coach etc). It wasn't the same team. Walker had UCLA ready and they came to play. All of his NFL experience along with the blue chip players from southern california and the Big 10 offensive coordinators, it was all on the line, dude.
BYU was out coached the entire game, up until the final three seconds, when Bronco DID NOT ice the kicker. Everyone on the UCLA team was expecting the triditional "time out from the sideline" to ice the kicker. Guess what?
The entire kicking team was surprised and caught off guard by the "no call" from the BYU sideline.
Spokane Fish | 1:08 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I love to see the stupidity of yewt fans like re:fact. You have maybe three
facts. The rest is speculation and ejaculation of your inability to see the
results. Your opinions must be based on your pipe dream hallucinations, because
since the regime changes in the MWC three years ago the Cougars have out played
the Utes. Yes I did use Ute as the team deserves respect for its
accomplishments which have nothing to do with the drivel being communicated via
blogs by yewt fans.
Go BYU. Oh, and the Second coming is assured so I guess DennyG just anointed BYU a BCS buster.
Thanks
Go BYU. Oh, and the Second coming is assured so I guess DennyG just anointed BYU a BCS buster.
Thanks
re: Facts | 1:10 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Your "facts" are irrelevant.
Utah lost to byu, didn't win the mtn. west. and remains unranked.
Utah lost to byu, didn't win the mtn. west. and remains unranked.
Realist | 1:14 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Don't you people learn from the past at all? Look what happened in 2001
when everyone was talking BCS. Two straight blow-outs. Let's take things
one game at a time and the rest will take care of itself.
Rich | 1:24 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Whatever the Cougars do next year they need to give up the PREVENT defense that
PREVENTS NOTHING
Wow. | 1:27 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
re: Facts doesn't even deserve a response as he doesn't even know what
the definition of a FACT truly is.
I find there to be nothing wrong with talk of being a BCS buster next year. BYU has gone UNDEFEATED in conference play the past two years. What is wrong with raising your goals as a team to the next level? They've dominated the MWC for 2 years straight and now they want to go to a BCS game. What is the harm in having goals that will encourage the team to play better than the past two years? A goal, if they were to reach it, that would result in being undefeated all season and probably getting a BCS bid. I see nothing wrong with that and in reality, it actually makes sense.
I find there to be nothing wrong with talk of being a BCS buster next year. BYU has gone UNDEFEATED in conference play the past two years. What is wrong with raising your goals as a team to the next level? They've dominated the MWC for 2 years straight and now they want to go to a BCS game. What is the harm in having goals that will encourage the team to play better than the past two years? A goal, if they were to reach it, that would result in being undefeated all season and probably getting a BCS bid. I see nothing wrong with that and in reality, it actually makes sense.
BCS? UCLA next year | 1:34 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Hey fellow BYU fans, cool your jets.
Did you NEW Mexico whip Nevada?
TCU, AFA and Utah haven't exactly signed the papers for a formal surrendered, Yet. I think they are all away games next year. CSU has a new coach coming in.
Then there is Washinton, and they want Walker (UCLA) to come on up and run the defense next year.
UCLA in a spoiler role to upset BYU's hopes and dreams...Motivation-Revenge,
Did you NEW Mexico whip Nevada?
TCU, AFA and Utah haven't exactly signed the papers for a formal surrendered, Yet. I think they are all away games next year. CSU has a new coach coming in.
Then there is Washinton, and they want Walker (UCLA) to come on up and run the defense next year.
UCLA in a spoiler role to upset BYU's hopes and dreams...Motivation-Revenge,
Criddle: You're kidding, right? | 1:37 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Your record vs BCS teams (in the regular season) has not been all too stellar.
In case you did not notice, UCLA and its FOURTH string QB just about beat you!
Criddle also left out one key ingredient from the mix: luck/health. Where will BYU be if it loses Hall, Collie and/or Unga for sustained periods of time? Probably not undefeated in MWC play. BYU has had very good back-to-back seasons, and should set its goals high. But, BYU has also managed to avoid injuries to its most critical players during that stretch. Don't buy your Fiesta Bowl tickets just yet.
Criddle also left out one key ingredient from the mix: luck/health. Where will BYU be if it loses Hall, Collie and/or Unga for sustained periods of time? Probably not undefeated in MWC play. BYU has had very good back-to-back seasons, and should set its goals high. But, BYU has also managed to avoid injuries to its most critical players during that stretch. Don't buy your Fiesta Bowl tickets just yet.
Texas Cougar | 1:37 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Are BYUs comments a little too hopeful? Probably... but delusional fans are what
makes college football so wonderful. Like when Utah fans, the week before
playing BYU, were saying that they were one of the best teams west of the
Mississippi. It just makes for more interesting off season banter, which
we'll all need come May.
While I would love to see BYU go undefeated next year (and it is definitely a possibility...they were a couple of untimely fumbles from being undefeated this year), I don't know how feasible a BCS bowl game is going to be. When Hawaii gets blown out by Georgia this year, its going to set the mid-major cause back for at least a few seasons.
While I would love to see BYU go undefeated next year (and it is definitely a possibility...they were a couple of untimely fumbles from being undefeated this year), I don't know how feasible a BCS bowl game is going to be. When Hawaii gets blown out by Georgia this year, its going to set the mid-major cause back for at least a few seasons.
WhEeZiE | 1:42 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
How about this scenario? UTAH and BYU "UNDEFEATED" going into the
"Holy War", with a BCS bid on the line!! Both teams ranked in top 15!!
And I hate to break it to you, but Mr. Collie, a.K.a. "Church Boy" is
gonna have the same nightmare that he did in 2004 when Utah spanked him up and
down the field!! UTAH will REPEAT what they did in 2004, but only in 2008 and be
BCS Bowl bound!! FIESTA BOWL 2008!! Brian Johnson MWC player of the year!!
Re;Rabid fan | 1:49 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Pete Carroll has won two NC so ya lets get Bronco to take his place. Get a clue.
Marsh | 1:51 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
You guys who think BYU is dumb for hoping they'll get to a BCS game next
season are annoying. This is football! You need to aim high, shoot for the
stars, have huge expectations and then kick your butt trying to make that dream
a reality. Shooting for a BCS game is an excellent goal, especially when your
peers (Hawaii, Boise State, Utah) are accomplishing the same. I hope we do it.
I'm with the team: let's shoot for improvement.
The Grinch | 1:52 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
The Coogerz and their fans need to get a grip. Storming the field after a lucky
win over a sub .500 team is about as dorky as it gets. The coogerz are an
embarrassment to MWC. Better set your sights a little lower next year like
scheduling Eastern Washington two or three times to pad the win column.
earn it | 1:52 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
To "Rabid Fan"
Perfect name since Rabies does affect the brain. If you really think that USC would rather have bronco than Pete Carroll you should be rushed to the psych ward stat.
To "lots of comments"
I see you chose to capitolize the "B" in Bronco and the "C" in Crowton but not the "L" in Lord (twice). Wonder where your allegiance really lies.
To "BCS game??"
It wasn't "all the talk that Ute fans did" that got Utah to a BCS bowl. It was going undefeated.
Byu did have a good season. They won the conference, beat their rival and sqeaked out a bowl win. But they need to win those games by 20 or 30 points (like the 2004 Utes did) to be seen as a true power. Until they dominate every team they play, byu will have to continue to beg for respect they do not deserve.
Perfect name since Rabies does affect the brain. If you really think that USC would rather have bronco than Pete Carroll you should be rushed to the psych ward stat.
To "lots of comments"
I see you chose to capitolize the "B" in Bronco and the "C" in Crowton but not the "L" in Lord (twice). Wonder where your allegiance really lies.
To "BCS game??"
It wasn't "all the talk that Ute fans did" that got Utah to a BCS bowl. It was going undefeated.
Byu did have a good season. They won the conference, beat their rival and sqeaked out a bowl win. But they need to win those games by 20 or 30 points (like the 2004 Utes did) to be seen as a true power. Until they dominate every team they play, byu will have to continue to beg for respect they do not deserve.
Cosmo | 1:55 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
It is nice to dream but aren't you getting a wee bit ahead of yourselves.
They beat a non ranked team at a neutral site after fumbling going into the
first half and then scraped by on the skin of a finger and we are talking BCS?
Yah Right!
BYU alumni | 2:01 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Nice win good game, but please Cougars don't compare us to USC, they beat
us two years in a row, home and away. The sighn of a program on the move is
thier fans are realistic and not a bunch of idiots.
A Bowl Question For All | 2:02 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
How many Bowl Games has BYU won?
How many Bowl Games has Utah won?
How many Bowl Games has Utah won?
MadMax | 2:18 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Please halt the vitriol! I am a Ute fan, but it was nice to see TDS win a bowl
game. (It does not happen that often.) It would have been a shame for the MWC
to be embarrassed by a 6-6 5th place team beating our conference champ. Dreams
are fine, but often that is what they remain. Both UTAH and TDS are quality
programs and deserve better than what is the MWC. Only when they have both
moved into BCS conferences can they realistically hope for BCS bowl game
consideration. Not only does it take an undefeated conference schedule, but an
undefeated non-conference schedule to be BCS bowl worthy. That is not an easy
chore in todays' world of college football. (NOTE: stumbles by Michigan,
USC, Missouri, Florida, Georgia, et. al.)
To TDS fans stop being so arrogant, selfrighteous and cocky. Those traits are not what represents the goals of your school as taught by multiple devotional services and at your local wards. Practice the principles of the LDS church. To Ute fans let's focus on our team and avoid being charactures of what TDS fans envision us to be.
GO UTES !!!
To TDS fans stop being so arrogant, selfrighteous and cocky. Those traits are not what represents the goals of your school as taught by multiple devotional services and at your local wards. Practice the principles of the LDS church. To Ute fans let's focus on our team and avoid being charactures of what TDS fans envision us to be.
GO UTES !!!
You are Right!!! | 2:30 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I would like to nominate MadMax as President of the posts for the day. Well
spoken, even handed and respectful. Thanks MadMax
byufan | 2:37 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Great teams find a way to win!! Go Cougs!!!
fan | 2:40 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
There will be no BCS game for as long as their games are broadcast on the mtn. I
hate the mtn!
Hey Woddy | 2:48 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Hows it feel to be a kind arm folding reverent BYU fan? Congrats to the Zoo.
4th place in the PAC 10
Stay put | 3:00 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
You need to stay a big fish in a small pond for all your "fans" to
have something to gloat about....
They'll turn on you if you go and become a small fish in a big pond (et. the Pac-10)
They'll turn on you if you go and become a small fish in a big pond (et. the Pac-10)
Me | 3:10 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
What is the saying for next year?
Raise The Bar.
Fully Invested.
"Thank goodness We Play in the Moutnrain West"!?
Raise The Bar.
Fully Invested.
"Thank goodness We Play in the Moutnrain West"!?
Illinois Cougars | 3:20 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
When is having self-confidence and self-awareness a bad thing. Just because the
team has publically stated their goals, it doesn't make them self-righteous
or cocky.
Ute fans have goals(no particular order): A. The ignominious collapse of the LDS Church. B. Total liberal(read:socialist)domination of state and local politics. C. Mill Creek turned to beer. D. Transformation of SLC resemble other hot beds of liberal domination- San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit, New Orleans, Boston, etc. E. Half of the respect and recognition than BYU recieves around the country.
Ute fans need to grow up! Every article about BYU is not a slight on the U. Maybe, you should figure out what has you so conserned about what is happening down south.
Ute fans have goals(no particular order): A. The ignominious collapse of the LDS Church. B. Total liberal(read:socialist)domination of state and local politics. C. Mill Creek turned to beer. D. Transformation of SLC resemble other hot beds of liberal domination- San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit, New Orleans, Boston, etc. E. Half of the respect and recognition than BYU recieves around the country.
Ute fans need to grow up! Every article about BYU is not a slight on the U. Maybe, you should figure out what has you so conserned about what is happening down south.
A Bowl Question/Answer | 3:36 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
A Bowl Question:
BYU has gone to 26 bowl games with a
9-16-1 record
Utah has gone to 12 bowl games with a
9-3 record
Before 1992 Utah had only been to two bowls
Utah Rankings: Utah has only been ranked in the final yearly national polls 4 times. Two of those four have been in the top 10.
BYU Rankings: BYU has been ranked at the end of a season 15 times.
Utah Football National Championships: NONE
BYU Football National Championships: One
Utah BCS Bowl Games: One
BYU BCS Bowl Games: NONE
A little tid bit: Since 1965 Utah has only beaten BYU 15 times. That is 35.7% winning percentage.
Utah is significantly the inferior program overall.
However, since 1993 Utah has won 9 of those 15 games. The tables truly did turn with McBride.
BYU has gone to 26 bowl games with a
9-16-1 record
Utah has gone to 12 bowl games with a
9-3 record
Before 1992 Utah had only been to two bowls
Utah Rankings: Utah has only been ranked in the final yearly national polls 4 times. Two of those four have been in the top 10.
BYU Rankings: BYU has been ranked at the end of a season 15 times.
Utah Football National Championships: NONE
BYU Football National Championships: One
Utah BCS Bowl Games: One
BYU BCS Bowl Games: NONE
A little tid bit: Since 1965 Utah has only beaten BYU 15 times. That is 35.7% winning percentage.
Utah is significantly the inferior program overall.
However, since 1993 Utah has won 9 of those 15 games. The tables truly did turn with McBride.
Bogus Facts | 3:51 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Why can't the Ute fans even get their "facts" right?
Utah barely "owns" the last 5 years of the series 3-2.
Going back ten years, the series is tied 5-5 (BYU won in 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006 and 2007).
Going back fifteen years, the Utes hold the advantage at 9-6, but going back 20 years the series is even again at 10-10.
Which is good, because if you add in all the games from the start of the LaVell Edwards era BYU totally owns the Utes by a margin of 24-11, with the lone Ute victory coming in 1978.
One has to go waaay back to the mid-50's for the Utes to regain the overall advantage in the series.
Utah barely "owns" the last 5 years of the series 3-2.
Going back ten years, the series is tied 5-5 (BYU won in 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006 and 2007).
Going back fifteen years, the Utes hold the advantage at 9-6, but going back 20 years the series is even again at 10-10.
Which is good, because if you add in all the games from the start of the LaVell Edwards era BYU totally owns the Utes by a margin of 24-11, with the lone Ute victory coming in 1978.
One has to go waaay back to the mid-50's for the Utes to regain the overall advantage in the series.
Get Reat | 4:02 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
LOL! They must be joking. If Saturday's game proved anything - a
miraculous fluke of a victory over a less-than-mediocre UCLA team with its 3rd
string quarterback - (not to mention the miraculous fluke of a victory against
an underachieving Utes team) - it's that the Cougars are not ready for
primetime. The BCS? Keep asking Santa, BYU fans.
LB | 4:13 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
All of you are missing the most important point. BCS = MONEY. Money comes in the
form of filling a stadium. Utah can't, BYU can. Utah doesn't even buy
its allotment of tickets to San Diego. Hardly anybody wants to watch Utah and
Navy in SD. BYU fills the stadium in LV. BYU will fill the stadium anywhere in
the country as well as most BCS teams. If BYU goes undefeated (like little
Hawai'i) they'll get a BCS bid, not necessarily on their
"great" team but with their ability to fill seats. Utah had the BCS
Fiesta bowl and won against a mediocre Pitt team, but the game was in nearby
Pheonix. Utah couldn't fill the Sugar Bowl, nor the Orange Bowl, nor the
Cotton Bowl, nor most any other bowl. All you fans think it's a matter of
having a national powerhouse team. It isn't. Not even close. It's
ability to earn MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. Money drives sports. Good as Utah can ever
get, it can't outdraw BYU. Utah doesn't have the fan support! Just
look at SD and the Poinsettia Bowl, December, 20, 2007!
BYU v Utah for the BCS | 4:41 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Someone said it in an earlier post but both BYU and Utah return excellent teams.
BYU certainly will be a pre-season top 25 team and it would not surprise me if
Utah is also or just outside of that. I would love to see both teams go into the
final game (unfortunately at Utah) undefeated with a BCS berth on the line. Hey,
as long as we're talking about goals and dreaming that one would top them
all! Talk about a Holy War - several Utes would convert prior to the game just
in case Collie is right!
Anonymous | 4:45 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
If BYU had to rely on Alumni and the local population for a fan base like the majority of the schools around the country, it would be in the same situation as Utah (and many other high profile programs) as far as filling a stadium in a faraway local for a meaningless bowl game. BYU, much like Notre Dame, draws 90%+ of its fans because of its religion. How many BYU "fans" know nothing about football and never even sniffed admission to the university but claim to be "true blue"? I'm thrilled that BYU can help fill any stadium in the country, because it means the LDS church, of which I am a member, is growing. It doesn't mean your fan base is any better than another.
Hey Not Yet!!!!! | 4:56 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
What the...?
"The planets would have to align for BYU to make it to a BCS bowl. A few key injuries and they won't even run the table in the MWC. Let's face it, MWC teams are one deep at every position. The drop-off to the number two guy is huge. Look at what injuries did to the Utes this year."
YOU MAY BE RIGHT ABOUT NOT GETTING TO A BCS BUT WE'VE HAD MORE THAN OUR SHARE OF INJURIES SINCE FALL CAMP!
""There are things besides having an injury free season that have to go perfectly. BYU's defensive backs will have to grow 6-8 inches and shave more than half a second off their 40 times to hang with BCS schools. DB's have always been, and appear they will always will be, BYU's weakness."
YOU ARE IN FOR A SURPRISE WHEN YOU SEE BYU'S DBs NEXT YEAR - REMEMBER THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST YEAR BRONCO'S RECRUITS ARE PLAYING WITH MISSIONS AND UPPER CLASSMEN. HOWARD, BRADLEY, PITTMAN, PENDLETON - THE CORNERS ARE FAST AND THE SAFETIES BRING THE HEAT. IT IS THE LAST CATEGORY OF ATHLETES BYU HAS TO IMPROVE AND THEY WILL BE MORE THAN JUST FINE.
"The planets would have to align for BYU to make it to a BCS bowl. A few key injuries and they won't even run the table in the MWC. Let's face it, MWC teams are one deep at every position. The drop-off to the number two guy is huge. Look at what injuries did to the Utes this year."
YOU MAY BE RIGHT ABOUT NOT GETTING TO A BCS BUT WE'VE HAD MORE THAN OUR SHARE OF INJURIES SINCE FALL CAMP!
""There are things besides having an injury free season that have to go perfectly. BYU's defensive backs will have to grow 6-8 inches and shave more than half a second off their 40 times to hang with BCS schools. DB's have always been, and appear they will always will be, BYU's weakness."
YOU ARE IN FOR A SURPRISE WHEN YOU SEE BYU'S DBs NEXT YEAR - REMEMBER THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST YEAR BRONCO'S RECRUITS ARE PLAYING WITH MISSIONS AND UPPER CLASSMEN. HOWARD, BRADLEY, PITTMAN, PENDLETON - THE CORNERS ARE FAST AND THE SAFETIES BRING THE HEAT. IT IS THE LAST CATEGORY OF ATHLETES BYU HAS TO IMPROVE AND THEY WILL BE MORE THAN JUST FINE.
Blue | 5:05 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I think BYU should focus on being better prepared for games in 2008, instead of
thinking of the BCS. BYU got lucky to beat a 6-6 UCLA team with a forth string
QB. BYU doesn't prepare good enough to play in a BCS game. This year BYU
would get beat by at least 20 points to any team in this years BCS. Sad, but
true.
Nevada Blue | 5:08 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Maybe I can't read the Stats right but UCLA's First String Quarterback
had fewer yards (about 30) against BYU than their 4th stringer. That means that
their 4th stringer was BETTER than their 1st stringer. That means the second
String Coach was a Better coach than their 1st string coach because he played
the BETTER QB.
UCLA's running back was their top guy last year and just got well enough to play against BYU. And he was really good. No surprise.
BYU does not play Arizona next year. Nevada dropped out and nothing new has been set. Hopefully BYU can learn from Ohio St. and set a game with a small time school.
Hawai'i proves that it does not matter who you play. So does Ohio St. BYU should play by THEIR rules and Schedule Podunk St. and North Southwestern Tech for their first game to WARM UP.
At least next year BYU will have a kicker that made a 60 yarder in high school. BYU's kicking game made it shocking BYU won at all.
UCLA's running back was their top guy last year and just got well enough to play against BYU. And he was really good. No surprise.
BYU does not play Arizona next year. Nevada dropped out and nothing new has been set. Hopefully BYU can learn from Ohio St. and set a game with a small time school.
Hawai'i proves that it does not matter who you play. So does Ohio St. BYU should play by THEIR rules and Schedule Podunk St. and North Southwestern Tech for their first game to WARM UP.
At least next year BYU will have a kicker that made a 60 yarder in high school. BYU's kicking game made it shocking BYU won at all.
Me | 5:30 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
BCS! All the way! This season has provided the team a lot of great experience
which will take us to the next level. Go Cougs!
Re: Me | 5:56 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
I remember hearing former BYU TE Daniel Coats saying something along the lines
of "BCS! Definitely BCS all the way!"...all the way to a 5-6 season.
And HE was closer to the program.
Re: Cougars1 | 9:15 a.m. | 5:57 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
"So what if BYU didn't look convincing with the WIN over UCLA, 3
monthes ago BYU outplayed UCLA and dominated statistically but LOST the
game."
Three DAYS ago, UCLA outplayed BYU statistically, but LOST the game. Are UCLA fans blaming the refs, and claiming fundamental superiority anyway, or is that just a BYU thing?
Three DAYS ago, UCLA outplayed BYU statistically, but LOST the game. Are UCLA fans blaming the refs, and claiming fundamental superiority anyway, or is that just a BYU thing?
REAL Facts | 6:01 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
"A Bowl Question/Answer | 3:36 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Utah has gone to 12 bowl games with a 9-3 record"
CLOSE...UTAH HAS GONE TO 13 BOWL GAMES, WITH A 10-3 RECORD.
Utah has gone to 12 bowl games with a 9-3 record"
CLOSE...UTAH HAS GONE TO 13 BOWL GAMES, WITH A 10-3 RECORD.
REAL Facts (cont.) | 6:12 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007
Truth | 9:09 a.m. Dec. 24, 2007
"The last game of the season UCLA was playing for the PAC 10 Championship. If they would have beat USC guess what thats (sic) right UCLA would have been the in the Rose Bowl as the PAC 10 champion."
-AND-
Ignorance | 10:26 a.m. Dec. 24, 2007
"Most have forgoten (sic) UCLA's last game against USC was for the Pac 10 Championship."
SORRY "Truth"...NOT TRUE! "Ignorance", KEEP THAT HANDLE. IT IS MOST APROPOS. IF UCLA WERE TO HAVE BEATEN USC...THEN ARIZONA ST. WOULD HAVE BEEN PAC-10 CHAMPS, AND FACING ILLINOIS IN THE ROSE BOWL. NOT THE BRUINS. IN THAT SCENERIO, UCLA WOULD HAVE TIED WITH USC AND OREGON ST. FOR 2ND PLACE. USC WOULD HAVE FINISHED THEIR REGULAR SEASON AT 9-3, OREGON ST. AT 8-4, AND UCLA AT 7-5.
WOULD THE HOLIDAY BOWL PICK A 7-5 TEAM OVER USC? WOULD THE EMERALD BOWL PICK A 7-5 TEAM OVER OREGON ST?
Hey re: Facts | 12:44 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007. Pay attention. THAT is how play the "FACT" card.
"The last game of the season UCLA was playing for the PAC 10 Championship. If they would have beat USC guess what thats (sic) right UCLA would have been the in the Rose Bowl as the PAC 10 champion."
-AND-
Ignorance | 10:26 a.m. Dec. 24, 2007
"Most have forgoten (sic) UCLA's last game against USC was for the Pac 10 Championship."
SORRY "Truth"...NOT TRUE! "Ignorance", KEEP THAT HANDLE. IT IS MOST APROPOS. IF UCLA WERE TO HAVE BEATEN USC...THEN ARIZONA ST. WOULD HAVE BEEN PAC-10 CHAMPS, AND FACING ILLINOIS IN THE ROSE BOWL. NOT THE BRUINS. IN THAT SCENERIO, UCLA WOULD HAVE TIED WITH USC AND OREGON ST. FOR 2ND PLACE. USC WOULD HAVE FINISHED THEIR REGULAR SEASON AT 9-3, OREGON ST. AT 8-4, AND UCLA AT 7-5.
WOULD THE HOLIDAY BOWL PICK A 7-5 TEAM OVER USC? WOULD THE EMERALD BOWL PICK A 7-5 TEAM OVER OREGON ST?
Hey re: Facts | 12:44 p.m. Dec. 24, 2007. Pay attention. THAT is how play the "FACT" card.
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