First off, I'm a Navy fan. I don't think that Utah's win was luck. They played
a good game. Navy played a good game too, and had its chances to win, including
a dropped touchdown pass and a fumble on the 2 yard line. That said, I don't
know whether we would have won or lost had the refs made the correct call on the
goal line fumble. That's not the point to me. The point is that refs on the
field miss calls...that's life. And yes, replay officials miss calls too, but
it's their job to at least know the rules! And the replay officials at this
game didn't even know the rule. Are you kidding me? Didn't even know the
rule?! That's a travesty. Who are they hiring?! high school kids? It's not
even a complicated rule, and it wasn't even close. I think that it's an
embarrassment and the officiating crew should be ashamed. The replay official
should be fired.
Way to go UTEs, the cougars put one over the top and won the game. did your
defense not learn anything about pass coverage? Navy did exactly the same thing
and apparently, no one is bringing it up in the post...The SAILOR is still
acutally, I hope the MWC ends up 5-0 in bowl games (BYU, Utah, TCU, New Mexico,
and Air Force). Get the facts right next time, dude.
That certain former NFL official (who lives in Davis County) wouldn't be John
Robinson, would it? Just curious.
Who cares about all of this minor bowl talk? Utah and BYU along
with about 50 other so-called BCS bowl game teams are totally irrelevant.
Every game in reality during the season counts. If a team loses more than 1
game they will definitely be relegated to sub meaningful bowl status. Going to
these dot com bowls is a joke! It's just another day after (or Monday morning)
quarterbacks opportunity to weigh in on things they probably know little or
nothing about.Replays don't mean the correct call will be made. I know of
a former NFL official (who lives in Davis County) who said if an official made
more than one bad call during the year, he would not be considered for the NFL
playoffs. If anyone who knows what they are viewing on TV or what they may see
while attending games (and knows the rules) and for all practical purposes know
what game officials know, will admit if they are truthful, that many oversights
and incorrect calls are made every game. If everything was called there would
be nothing but whistles during a game. Holding could be called on virtually
every down.Hang in there fans!
Ute fans, its always so amusing to read your anti-BYU posts. Maybe they'll
actually hurt when Utah beats BYU. Remember? We swept you in bball last year
too! Freaking utards!
The game was exciting; however the MWC is boring. If the MWC did not continue
to exist, would anyone outside of its fan base notice?
Utah won. It was an excellent, outstanding entertaining bowl game. Navy was
awesome and showed a ton of heart and resolve and never gave up. Utah played
great. Johnson turned into a scoring machine and played at his best level. I
am proud of the Utes. I loved that game. I hope the BYU game is as entertaining
and that the MWC is as well represented.
why aren't ALL you Utahns pleased with a MWC team winning a bowl game? I
hope the MWC ends up 4-0 this bowl season...how about you?
The only "obsurd" thing here is your spelling. Are you kidding me? What was your
major at BYU? Hisstery?
The best talented Non-BSC team in the country wouldn't have struggled to beat a
team with almost the worst defense in the entire country and they would have won
their conference and their fans would have actually bought tickets to the game.
There's nothing in SNOTville but daydreaming. Glad you won, but you guys are
what an idiotic statement..."Face it Utah you gotta cheat um to beat um". The
UTES didn't cheat Navy, the refs mad a bad call (which is the reason they made
their statement saying so!). Saying the Utes directly "cheated" the Navy
football team would imply that they somehow bribed the officials to make that
call, or all the players stood around the refs and threatened to beat them up
after the game if they called it a fumble. The players just play
football. The penalties and missed calls happen, but the players have to play
regardless.Here's some advice for you, wii: "Better to keep
your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
I am amazed that this is supposed to be a ewetah comment section and so many
comment on BYU. It really grates on the ewetah fans doesn't it. They did well
against Navy. Enjoy it. Let the other teams and games go bye-bye.Respectfully I salute Utah.
Congrats to Utah. It is just a football game.
If anything it's entertaining and has more drama than a 7th grade soccer game,
and every Ute fan a soccer mom.Ute fans call out BYU for complaining
about a non-existent facemask, yet they complain about calls made and not made
against BYU. It's like they should be able to make every biased call themselves,
or it doesn't count.But when a call is so missed the crew makes a
statement after the game they rationalize it didn't make a difference (starting
from the one foot line vs. the 20 yard line -- what football fan can't answer
that one?)Just goes to show the same old Utes are playing. Coaches
(Sanford) laughing at your tackling, Glenn giving your coach the one finger
salute, and Holtz with the most backhanded slam at your coach (How does a team
with the best non-BCS personel lose the "way" they do, unless just terribly poor
coaching? You poor Utes have no program, no leader and no lives.Wow, it's like a a college team with 25,000 soccer moms trying to fill a
45,000 seat stadium.
Ironic comment about luck coming as it apparently does from a Coog. The Coog's first bowl win took place in San Diego back in 1980. Ya'll call it
the "Miracle Bowl" because frankly the Coogs had no business winning that game.
Why else call it a 'Miracle?'Two questions:You guys
still count that as a victory even though it took a 'miracle,' right?Does a victory due to a 'miracle' count for more than one due to 'luck?'Oh, and 'good' luck Saturday with UCLA.
Just something to ponder, 17-27 you know what that means, and when UCLA pulls
out yet another one on you Happy Valley Brothers it will sting even more...
Good luck winning, pressure's on you, Utah already won and sealed our game with
a pick, after Navy had a chance after recovering the onside kick.... Don't
break a sweat just yet my Blue friends, no one expects you to really extend your
bowl winning streak much more than one game anyways.
wasn't this one. It was Lou Holtz saying multiple times that Utah is the best
Non-B(c)S team. That is funny because they weren't even the best team in their
Non-B(c)S conference. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He's old and
that wasn't the only obsurd thing he said during the broadcast.
It does not matter at all if they were on the 20 or not, they are an option
team. They would not have marched down the field and put it in. In the words of
the Navy QB him self "It wouldn't have mattered if it[the football] was
on the one foot line, or the 20 yard line. We would have run the same plays".
Utah was actually winning when all this happened.
Harline and Collie are still Homers.
Why do Utah and BYU fans need to constantly try and "one up" the other
side? One might begin to think that the fans care more about proving they are
better than their respective rival school instead of just enjoying football.
Wow, "Alert: Re match scheduled," are you really going to sit there and tell me
that the Vegas Bowl receives a lot of respect and the Poinsettia Bowl gets none?
You don't need to be bitter that we won a good game and an exciting bowl while
the best you can do is beat a team you already played this year in an equally
un-respected game. Oh, and to you other coug fans sitting around with
nothing better to do than watch the Utes win yet another bowl game, stop
commenting on these boards and claiming things like "Those two calls at the end
of the BYU v U game were not bad calls they were legit" and "the utes... have to
turn to trick plays to win games." If you call a reverse a "trick play," you
might as well say a play-action fake is a "trick play." Just because we use
plays that catch a defense off guard doesn't mean our team and coaches are
failures. Talk to me when you make it to and win a real bowl game (or win more
than one or two bowl games in a row...). Go Utes! (best non-bcs talent!!!!!)
Ok, I'm still 1 for 2, unlike your team againstbyu.
Admit it, you were worked by BYU and were lucky to even lead in that game. 4 &
18, I still smile every time I say it.You were lucky to win against
Navy, the refs admit that with their apology. Further, everyone and their dog
knows that Navy has a horrible pass defense, what took Ludwig so long to figure
that one out? Oh, that's right, Johnson can only throw the short pass over the
middle for 5 yards, then hope for more YAC.You lost to the worst
team in the MWC, UNLV.And Holtz' comment was an insult against your
coaching staff since the best talent should win the most games, but 4 losses
proved the coaches didn't know what to do with that talent.Here's a
prediction for next season, BYU wins again in LES North. And Collie, Pitta and
Unga will be open yet again.Enjoy your tainted win, if you weren't
sackless, you'd give the trophy to the real winners of last night's game:
NavyRISE AND SHOUT THE COUGARS ARE BACK!!!
was against Air Force this season, not against the 3d place SN*Ts (school north
of town). Don't flatter yourself ute fans.
It may have made a difference in play calling, but they ran the same stuff they
ran all game, and all year. Nobody needs more room to work with when backed up
on their own goal line. Nobody has a play where you go more than 10 yards
backwards before you go forwards. Ask any Navy offensive player and I guarantee
you they will tell you that they should have executed there.The time
they lost was only how much time it took Utah to run that play. The previous
play was out of bounds and the clock stops on the turnover on downs.Stuffing Utah at the goal line would create even more momentum than reversing
that call and giving them the touchback. They should have had even more
momentum and emotion after a goalline stand that gave them the ball back with a
chance to tie or take the lead.
Hey come on. Give the Utes a break. They didn't make the bad call, the
reviewing official did. Even assuming the Ute coaching staff had access to the
replay footage before the bad call, I'm unaware of any way they could have gone
to the officials and conceded. I've never heard of such a thing having been
done. Has anyone else? Utah got a break, but almost every team in every game
"gets a break." Did it change the game's outcome? Every call, good
or bad, can be said to have changed any game's outcome. When a bad call or a
gross non-call goes against you, you just have to play the game from that point
forward. No looking back. Besides, if Brooks had been hit at the
four yard line and fumbled the ball forward and it had gone out at the six inch
line, the official would have been correct to mark the ball where the ball left
his hand; not where it crossed the line. That being the case, the ball was
properly out of bounds when it left his hand, nes pa?
Perhaps you should learn to spell before criticizing others. People who live in
glass houses shouldn't throw stones, if you know what I mean."argumentitive".LOL
wii--You are a class act, you know that? This is not the only thread you have
commented on, but your comments are just as dumb. You feel the ONLY reason Utah
won was due to the refs? Go back to the BYU game you cling to and check out two
plays. The one where the Utah player got clobbered by a Y defender on a pass
play that was not called and the one where Utah WAS called. If you take off the
blue blinders even you can admit it. You really need to take a look at
the big picture. All teams from the MWC need to win for the good of the
confernce. If you ever want BYU to play in a better conference, in a better
bowl that is how you do it. Eight bowl wins in school history does NOTHING to
Good win Utah. Congratulations. After saturday, it will be a long off season for
all of us. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas.
The best non-BCS conference. Congratulation Utah on a hard fought victory last
night. I know you guys would beat both Hawaii and BSU. Not bad for the team
that finished third in the MWC.
Isn't this the same guy who predicted Notre Dame going undefeated this year?
Yeah... he's one to know talent alright.
In view of the blown call, Navy has requested a sudden death playoff against
Utah. The rematch is scheduled to take place during the half time of the Las
Vegas Bowl. Special Tickets for this EVENT maybe purchased from any BYU fan for
a discounted price of $100 per ticket(small unmarked bills,in a brown paper
sack, sorry no checks)
Congrats Utes! I'm glad that your fan base doesn't represent your players. Mack
is a class act & after meeting some of the players families a few weeks ago in
LES I'm a fan of some of the other players as well. A win is a win ya'all.
Nothing can be said to dispute that. Here's to the MWC winning their bowls out.
GO COUGS! 31-14
You UTE fans are sure representing the university well, what with all of your
fine argumentitive tactics and spelling.
Not a bad article, but when it comes down to it the Utes did what it took to
win. You have to admit that whether you're a BYU fan (like me) or a ute.
it was a bad call but keep in mind, navy had their chances, even on onside kick,
remember, a fumble as well in the redzone... let's not forget those tidbits,
they had plenty of things go their way
it was a bad call but navy had their chances and didn't capitalize
I'm not as worried about griping about the wrong call. It was wrong, but
whether or not it changed the outcome is debatable all day long.What
I find extremely interesting is that with the best non-BCS talent in the country
the utes still have to turn to trick plays to win games. That's been there M.O.
for years (from the old duck-formation, etc). With all that talent they can't
just line up and play football. Thay have to resort to trickery like reverses,
double reverses, fake everythings, etc in nearly every game this year (incl.
Wyoming). That tells me that either the best talent means nothing,
or the coaching situation is pathetic. Either way it'd be nice if the MWC could
go 5-0 in bowls, even though I just couldn't bring myself to root for the
utes.Here's to the Cougars - one of the best non-BCS teams in the
country without all that much talent. Good luck against the Bruins. 31-13.
First - Those two calls at the end of the BYU v U game were not bad calls they
were legit. Second - Navy had plenty of chances to win. They missed
several scoring opportunities. Third - the tiny utes should have
dominated that game. Instead they played a sloppy Utah like inconsistent game.
Fourth - If Navy starts on the 20 yard line instead of the 1 the play
calling totally changes. They are able to do more side to side option rather
then their weak dive play. If they were able to move more around more and get
to the corners where they were very effective last night they might have a
chance to go down and score. IF anything else if they go 4 and out like they
did Utah is still at the 29 instead of the 9. Navy has a better chance of
holding them to just a field goal.
you, the elitist editorial board are not relevent.
Yes, Navy "should have" gotten the ball back with 3:43 to go. However, they did
get it back with 3:40 to go and the score the same.If they were
going to go 50 yards in the next 3.5 minutes in one scenario, why not the other?
Do those 3 seconds really matter? Also remember the kicker had already missed
a 40 yarder earlier in the game so 'crediting' him a 47 yarder isn't a given.The call was bad. But, Navy sucked it up and stopped Utah at the
goalline on the next play and got the ball back anyway.Stating Utah
"needed" the call to win is disengenuous. Nobody knows for sure what would have
happened had the call been called right. However, chances are the Utes would
have still prevailed.It's too bad the call went the way it did.
However, Utah had the lead when the call was blown and gave the ball back to
Navy on the next play. So for such a blown call, I can't imagine a scenario
where, in the end, it would have impacted the game any less than it did.
I frankly don't care much about this whole thing one way or the other. But to
those who say the win is tainted, would you say the same thing if this had
happened in the first quarter?Little things like this happen all the
time, and just have to be factored in as part of the game.Congrats
to the Utes.
Biggest BYU Cougar fan here... and I thought it was a great win for the MWC. Of
course I don't love Utah. OK, I don't even like Utah. Not at all. But I was
really pulling for them to win. Now it is up to BYU and the other 3 MWC schools
to all go and win their bowls. Having 5/5 wins in bowl season goes a long way to
national respect. The officials did blow the call, and anyone that has ever
played the game knows that when you are on the 1 foot line you CAN'T PASS! You
have to run, run run to be safe. Look what happened a little later when they
scored so easily. So I have to disagree that the call was irrelevant. It was
HUGE! If I were Navy I would be more than a little upset. But is still was a
great game. Good job Utes.
who cares (snore, snore). MORE than "nuff said"!!!
Ben, I appreciate what you had to say and agree in most part but Please leave my
ancestry out of this, they are not here to defend themselves, or what has aged
or died along the way. Ta.
All these Cougie fans here, trying to tear down the Ute team that the
continually fear. Your BEST win of the season came against US!! UTAH didn't
get beat in the MWC this year, they gave away the wins...and there is a
differnece. Either way, the post season is what matters...and UTAH
is clearly the superior team compared to all MWC teams, including BYU. What
does it matter that Utah lost to AF or UNLV ealier in the season....they shine
in the post season. Look what a "undefeated" season got BYU....a rematch with a
team that wouldn't even qualify for the postseason without a win over YOUR
team!!! Hilarious that you COUGIES complain about playing such a weak team and
having a rematch but, if you would have taken care of business the first time,
UCLA wouldn't even qualify for the bowl. BYU is terrible in the
postseason, UTAH is brilliant, and the records show that. Can't argue with
that, pathetic whining cougarettes.
Dear hahahaha... Where are you coming from? The score at the "Touch Back Blown
Call" was Utah 28, Navy 25. Navy should have gotten the ball on their own 20
with 3:43 ON THE CLOCK. Figure they go 50 yards to the other 30, they had all 3
time outs, and the clock stops for first downs, and out of bounds plays. This
would give them a 47 yard field goal attempt, and their kickers long was 52
yards against Army. This would have tied the game and left little time for Utah
to score. I think you need to learn the rules Mr. "hahahaha", sounds to me like
you don't know squat about football. Regardless, nobody is crying they are just
admitting that Utah caught a break, a game is a game, it ended the way it ended,
and people can complain all they want, it doesn't change the fact of the matter,
UTAH WON! Nice game Utah. When it comes to Bowl Games I always route for the
Mountain West Teams! Although I am a proponent for BYU & Utah starting a new
Conference with Boise State and others, or BYU moving to the Big XII!
What a bunch of Byu WHINNERS lets see if they have to eat Crow!! They still
have a game to play
Just because someone says that the obviously blown call presented a disadvantage
for Navy doesn't make them a BYU fan. ESPN says it, CNNSI says it, FoxSports
says it, and you can bet Navy and Navy fans are saying it (maybe not publicly
baecause they have class). I reallt don't think it changed the outcome. Stop
whining and enjoy a solid Utah victory over a good team. That goes for BYU fans
too. As for the BYU Utah game, there were several questionable
calls each way including the two that are constantly whined about here. BYU
lost a touchdown to one of those and Ute fans weren't whining about that one.
The fact of the matter is that it was an excellent game and both teams had
their chances.Congrats to Utah and I hope all MWC teams win their
bowl games because the conference needs the exposure. We sure don't get it from
The Utes have been burned by questionable pass interference calls against BYU
the last two years, but that's not why BYU won those games. BYU won because
they made plays when they had to when the game was on the line.Utah
won last night because they made plays when they had to. Remember,
Navy had two opportunities to win or tie the game after that bad call was made,
and the Utes stopped them both times: on 4th and 2, and then later with the
interception. Officials are always going to make mistakes, but the players
still dictate the outcomes. It's disingenuous for BYU fans to claim
that those 19 yards were the decisive factor in Utah's win. Come on - the Utes
deserve a little more credit than that.
Of course Holtz says praiseworthy things about Utah during a Ute game. We all
know he knows basically nothing about any MWC, WAC, or non-BCS team so he just
says nice things because a lot of Utah fans were watching last night. It's
similar to Vitale going nuts about Plaisted during the UNC game.Guys, these national announcers don't know or care about non-BCS teams. Don't
take their comments like they are gospel truths.And, from what I
heard, he never said Utah was the best non-BCS team in the nation as people are
quoting. He talked about talent, not this year's "team". I'm not defending the
fact that Utah has the best talent (remember, he is just rambling, not doing an
analysis).But, I think a case can be made that Utah, over the past 5
years or so, is one of the top non-BCS teams (programs) in the country. They've
won 46 games, 5 bowl games, 2 OCC, and a Fiesta Bowl over that 5 year time
period. Certainly, that qualifies as being one of the best non-BCS programs.
What clock management issues came out of the bad call? In essense, Navy got the
ball back with less than 5 seconds ticking off the clock from when they would
have had it - the time it took to run one 4th down play and the clock was
stopped before and after that play.I can understand POSSIBLE
momentum and field position issues being discussed but not game time issues.
The 5 seconds are meaningless.
Instead of thinking of the bad call as luck, I prefer to think of it as
karma.After spinning against the Utes in such an unfortunate way
during the BYU game, the karmic wheel came back around during the Poinsettia
Bowl.Am I wrong in assuming the Coogs are hoping for the same in
their rematch against UCLA?
I'm a BYU fan, but I'll still admit that was hilarious! I think it's obvious
that certain media reporters wear red and blue goggles and it's obvious in the
articles they publish and comments they make. It could be that this one's
biased. I guess it's something both sides have to live with.
Cougar fans kill me, you little special people need to realize had that been
called a touchback then Utah would have got the ball back and ran the clock out.
Final score 28-25. Navy got that last touchdown on a team that had the game
won. should have been 35-25. That call meant nothing. Tainted??? Ha, you guys
need to get back on your short busses
As Usual I called that one right too! Would it have made a difference? Who
knows, it doesn't matter, the game is over and the outcome can't be changed. The
Replay Ref messed up, the Utah Offensive Coordinator called all the wrong plays
in the first half. A game is played because of the "What could happens" on the
field that don't on paper, and for our entertainment and the LOVE OF THE GAME.
As aggrivating as it was, the SIMPLE FACT: UTAH WON & NAVY LOST! Did Utah get a
Christmas Present from the Replay Ref, You bet they did, and they still almost
blew it if it wasn't for Navy's #7 slipping all night long and not being smart
enough to change to deeper cleats, who knows, Navy still might have pulled it
out! Utah is tied with the Nations LONGEST BOWL WINNING STREAK and needs to be
congratulated no matter how they won, and how weak of a team they beat. The fact
is, Navy is the #1 rushing offense in the nation, and they did a good job again
last night too! IT WAS A GREAT GAME Minus ONE CALL! Way to go Utes!
That call CHANGED NOTHING!!! Utah had stuffed them 3 straight times. They would
have ran the same stuff. Their first carry got em 5 yards. So they still couldnt
get 5 more on 3 more plays? I dont care where you are at, 4 plays to get 10
yards and they couldnt get em. As for Holtz comments. Utah lost 1 game with
Brian Johnson and Darryl Mack. And it was a fluke loss. They are arguably them
best non BCS team. Their early losses were without up to 15 starters.
Devoured the Utes? Two Wins on last minute miracles is hardly devouring.
Beside if ours was November yours was September when you lost to a Bottom level
Pac 10 team in UCLA so why are you even playing again?Lou Holtz was
not incorrect in his assesment he is smart enough to see 1-3 to 9-4 using third
string players and freshman you had to pull of redshirt status(true
Freshman)means you have good, deep talent. That said Best Talent does not mean
best team. Utah has Proven that.To Not Irrelevant,The
difference is that Urbans team and coordinator knew that the game is played
endzone to endzone not sideline to sideline so when push came to shove he had
the ability to line up and run a power game if necessary. Which leads to the
final point. Utah has the Talent. Until they get an offensive (because I doubt
Ludwig will figure it out) coordiantor that knows what to do with that talent
they will be an average ball club with a great D and inconsitent offense. That
hurts because I am a Ute Fan but it is true.
I graduated from UNLV, so during Bowl season, I cheer for all the Mtn. West
teams. What's good for the conference is good for UNLV. Nice job Utes, good win
against a good Navy team.
Any unbiased Ute fan has to agree that Lou Holtz's comments really had no
validity. In 2004, Holtz would have been 100% correct. Since then, not even
close. Remember, Utah lost 3 conference games which resulted in a 3rd place
finish in the Mountain West. 3rd place in the "weaker" Mountain West, but the
best non-BCS team? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me Lou. I'm not saying BYU is
the best non-BCS team either (you obviously need to look at Hawaii, Boise State,
and others), but the last two years they have been proven to be a better team
then Utah by going undefeated in conference two straight years. Boise State last
year and Hawaii this year proved to BYU that they are better because they also
went undefeated in their non-conference schedule and BYU did not. Next time Lou
Holtz makes a statement like that, he needs to be able to back it up.
Actually, the PI call was correct. The ball landed near the feet of the DB and
Reciever. The reciever was turned looking back trying to catch the ball,
however, the DB kept going down field. If the DB turns and looks for the ball
he has every right to go after it, however, if he fails to look for the ball and
makes contact like that it a PI call every time. He was in perfect position, he
just failed to turn and look for the ball. A big No No...
The refs even used instant replay to review the call and still got it wrong
during the game! I guess they didn't completely understand the rule on this
situation and someone else had to explain it to them later? That one bad call
was vey significant and likely would have changed the final score with Navy
getting the win. Now we'll never know.
No Duh? Of course the call made a difference. Even if you run the ball,
running from the 20 vs. the 1 yard line is huge. Not to mention the
clock-management issues and the decision to go for it on 4th down. That being
said, good win for the Utes. Poinsettia Bowl Champs 2007. The first of 30+
teams to end their season as champions of something.
The rulebook also states that a player cannot fumble forward while the player is
moving out of bounds. This is part of the rule to prevent the offense from
being able to intentionally fumble forward and recover the ball in the endzone
for a touchdown. The ball was clearly moving forward.
Whatever you say Dr. LB...go back to your own message board. If we wine so much
why are you here? Why do you care? Leave and quit winning about the Ute winners.
In actuality, take a look, using your advanced degrees (which total five years
of grad school) and look over the thread, you will notice that most of the
crying it is coming from cougartown.
Nice of the officials to fess up right after the game, too bad they didn't get
it right during the game. Navy most likely would have won if the right call was
made. This is going to leave a very bitter taste in their mouths and I know the
Utes would feel the same way if had happened to them (can you say lynch mob?).
Yes, put a big old asterisk next to this win.
Navy would have won the game if the officials had called that one right. That
bad call put them in a very tough position and they were robbed. Put an aterisk
next to this win for Utah. How embarrassing.
You didn't understand what Lou said. His statement was that Utah was the most
talented non-bcs team, not the #1 non-bcs team, that is obviously Hawaii. One
of the pre-season pubs said the same thing, but still picked them to finish 4th
in the conference. It may be true, it may not be, but that is what he said. In
a way it is almost a condemnation of the coaching staff (If you have the most
talent, you should win). Great win. Nobody but BYU and Navy fans will remember
the call, and a win is a win. People whining about it being tainted on both
sides of the argument are lame.
Just think, the utes had a decent season. Shucks, now I'm going to have to deal
with more closet people who are only Utah fans win they win a game...
Certainly, the call was newsworthy and needs to be reported.But to
state that the result "certainly affected" certain things is a little over the
top.The difference in time was about 3 seconds (the time to run the
4th and goal play) so the call didn't affect game time at all. Did it
"certainly affect" Navy's playcalling? According to Navy, they call the same
plays whether it is 1st and 10 from their 1 or from their 20 yard line. So how
can Scott say for sure it affected their playcalling?I don't even
know how he can say it "certainly" affected momentum. Stuffing Utah on the
goalline certainly swung momentum in Navy's favor just 3 or 4 seconds after the
would be touchback.I think the DNews should report the error and
state possible affects on the game but get rid of the "certainly" stuff.
I cheer for Utah when they're playing out of conference teams. In conference, I
don't care if they win or lose, as long as they lose to BYU. I'm glad they beat
Navy. Congrats.However, if Utah in fact does have the best non-BCS
talent in the country, they have the worst non-BCS coaching staff in the
country. Again, congrats.
He had weeks to prepare for the worst pass defense in the nation and he throws
the ball seven times for 27 yards? Why does he continually outsmart himself? Why
did he not do what the rest of the nation knew to do until the 3rd quarter? The
only two what ifs here are:What if Ludwig wasn't the OC at Utah, how
good would they be?What if Ludwig would have thrown the ball all game,
would this call really have mattered? Hey Ludwig what if, for next
year, you draw up a quadruple reverse, do you think we would get negative 15 or
18 yards on the play?
I NEVER want to hear another Yewt fan complain about reffing after this
obviously bad call against Navy. Any intelligent fan knows that bad calls go
either way in any given game. You apppreciate the ones that go for you and live
with the ones that go against you. My problem with the Yewts is that everyone
writes in as if they were a passionate fan. There was TOTAL lack of red in
the stadium. They couldn't even sell half of their allotted tickets. What's
the matter Yewt fans, your boss couldn't get anyone else to work the drive thru
I don't know if you saw and/or heard but Navy's head coach said that whether
they were on the 1 inch line or the 20 yard line, he STILL would have called the
same 4 plays. After all, that's all they have, fullback dive, option QB run,
option pitch, straight pitch. Do your homework BYU fans before you bash.
After the stop, Navy chose to run a quick quarterback draw on 1st down for
minimal gain. If they had been at the twenty they probably run the option
outside and don't turn the ball over on downs (or even with the same play
calling, just cause there isn't a slick spot they don't turn it over on
downs)There is no excuse for blowing that replay. It was not a
close or difficult call. I have a small grainy TV. But when I can freeze frame
the player inbounds without the ball, or So'oto on his knee with the ball and
the officials aren't fixing the calls something is Rotten in the State of
You are not going to consider Lou Holtz an expert are you? This guy is a
complete boob and if he had not failed at some fairly prestigious universities,
he would not even have a job.
Come on, don't be silly. Who cares what Lou Holtz says, you sound desperate and
insecure. Do you really need validation from some guy who couldn't care less
about these teams other than the fact he's paid to talk about the game. It's
like listening to Vitale praising BYU's basketball team against Louisville and
NC -- we like to hear nice things, but don't mistake all the praise as being
sincere and serious, eh says stuff like that during every game he announces.
Besides, if Utah really does have the best personel, what does that say about a
mediocre 9-4 record? Who gets the blame for not being better?
Instant replay has revealed what football loudmouths have been spewing for
years. "refs are blind" It is absolutely true(outcome of the game aside) that
refs are seeing things in a different way than the rest of the world. How else
do you explain crystal clear evidence being ignored or interpreted in the wrong
way. Replay has revealed this. It makes me wonder what kind of personalities
are officiating these games. We need more information about the process, the
evaluation, the training, etc. I completely understand a call made in the
moment; however, when there is a clear slow motion up close view that goes the
wrong way the integrity of the process is completely undermined. WE need more
info!Outcome of the game aside.
the calls against Utah on the last drive by BYU are considered "questionable" by
some, the call FOR Utah against Navy was "WRONG" there is a difference, those
calls against Utah were technically correct, but were not consistent with how
they called the rest of the game, the call for Utah was wrong, there is no
technically, its just wrong
Why did the officials make a public statement about a blown call in this game.
Every game has several bad calls. They should have just shut up because the
announcement makes no difference, but to taint a win by a gutsy team that would
have found a way to win regardless.BYU FAN
What about the onside kick call? It wasn't even reviewed, it should have been.
It appeared to me that Sylvester had the ball before he went down to the ground
and we couldn't see anything because of the Navy bench.
yea anon, that is why holtz is on t.v. and no longer coaching. He really knows
his stuff. Utah looked good with their passing attack the second half. Those of
us who have seen Utah play knew what was coming but navy was not able to stop
it. Congratulations to the Utes. They won the game and that is all that matters.
I have to admit I gave into my BYU Pride and cheered for the Mtn west conference
last night; however, Lou Holtz' comments on Utah being the #1 non-BCS team was
absolutely rediculous. And I'm not just saying that because BYU beat them but
because Utah isn't even ranked. There are tons of non BCS teams that are clearly
better than Utah. That comment was just rediculous. I can't believe
they allow him to do play by play. Regardless of his coaching career most his
comments are off the wall.
Yeah that is why Utah was how many consecutive conference wins and
What about the unexplainable pass interference call when the ball was behind the
receiver and uncatchable because the defender was between him and the ball. It
gave Navy a 1st down by penalty on their way to a touchdown. Wasn't that a
blown call also? You rarely hear the officials admitting a mistake. Why last
night? Why this game? They make bad calls and non-calls all the time. We
never get much of an explanation. It would be nice at the end of the season of
which official was considered as being good or not. Have the conference give
them a grade and explain if they are retained or not.I realize these
officials were not from the MWC. Thank heavens, it could have been a poorer
Utah crybabies! What does anything that happened on the field last night between
Utah and Navy have to do with BYU. Grow up, Utat fans!You know, I have a
BA from Utah and a MS and Ph.D. from BYU. While at Utah I noted that every
single day there was an article in the Chronicle that was critical of BYU, the
LDS Church, or Mormons in general. When I was at BYU working on my graduate
degrees (5 total years) I noted that hardly ever, maybe once a week at the most,
was there an article about the UofU, whether negative or positive. Get a
It sounds like there are to many Ute fans that can't stand hearing that they won
by luck or a bad call made by the ref's. I don't give this game to the ref's
and I think Utah would have won either way but it is still news when the
officials actually come out and give a statement saying they made a bad call.
When was the last time you hear that happening? For me it has never happened,
officials act and feel to "high and mighty" to ever acknowledge that they made a
mistake and they would back their call to the grave. So those of you who think
this shouldn't be written are just trying to give yourselves every out that Utah
won because they were the better team. No matter what you all think this is
news and I for one am happy to see it and give these officials credit for
standing up and admitting a mistake.
The Utes lost their Bowl game. It was in November. This was an example of
licking wounds and trying to forget the real pain that continues to ache.They will feel this pain once again next year as we create Chaos for the
Utes. The Cougar devoured the Ute. All that is left is carnage.
Nice win over Navy? We always have to leave some scraps. BYU ownes
Not discrediting the win... Just discrediting the Ute fans who BOOO HOO HOO
HOOOOOOO about things that don't seem to go in their favor, yet try to wax
eloquent over irrelevant pieces of the game that went in their favor.We can at least agree on the fact that the win is comprised of the entire 60
minutes, and that one blown call was not the deciding factor in the game.Maybe, rather than sticking up for the play, you should be wondering why
the defense allowed Navy to score on a pass play over the middle, and recover an
onside kick.You know, when it all comes down to it, I think that
sometimes when you're doing the things that you're supposed to, the good Lord
looks down on you and pats you on the back and gives you a little blessing...
When those things happen, it's like magic. Re: NachoGrande - Very
The rule book is pretty unclear on this and kind of contradictory. Look at the
NCAA Rule Book: Section 2. Out Of Bounds: Ball Out of Bounds, Article 3.a. A
ball not in player posession, other than a kick that scores a field goal, is out
of bounds when it touches the ground, a player, a game official, **or anything
else that is on or outside a boundary line.** (pylons are outside the boundary
line as article 3.b. will clarify)b. A ball that touches a pylon is out of
bounds.So really, what should the call be? I think given the
circumstances, they called it right. I think the NCAA needs to make the rule a
bit more defined.
wow who else to write a story like this! right guys! dick harmons my boy!
Navy should have had the ball at the 20 which would have changed the whole
complexion of the game. Face it Utah you gotta cheat um to beat um! Give the
little trophey you got to Navy!
Of course their play calling would have been different from the 20, instead of
the 1/2.Just look at the splits their offensive linemen were taking
backed up on their goalline. Completely different situation. It was a horrible,
horrible call. No excuse for that.
it would have made a difference if they did get the call right...they stuffed
them on the goal line right after that....which gave them more momentum...get
Win is tainted, period. It is an obvious DISADVANTAGE to start that deep in
one's own territory versus the 20.
If it was the wrong call, too bad. Show me a game in any sport where all the
calls are perfect. I'm sure that from time to time a bad call can make a
difference but in the long run, it's the team that wins the game. I'm a BYU fan
and I loved the Utah win. Great game and I hope that Utah wins every game they
play except the BYU game.
Come on, Cougars! Can't we just have a truce during bowl season? Each team
needs the other to grab a bowl victory for the good of the conference. I don't
understand why some, though I'm sure a minority, of BYU fans have to come
complain about the officiating. Navy isn't a top 25 team, but they've had a
pretty good year. That Utah win was good for the MWC and BYU.As for
the specific call, it really didn't make a difference. Navy ran the ball just
about every play, and it would have been no different on the 20. Utah would
have gotten the ball back inside the 30 and scored just the same. In fact, the
way Navy struggled to stop the Utes in the second half, the blown call may
actually have given Navy a better chance to win. If Utah got the ball on the 29
instead of the 9, it would have taken Utah that much longer to get into the
end-zone, and Navy wouldn't have had as much time to get back in the game. The
refs had to note the mistake, but it didn't affect the outcome.
The blown call had no change on the game. The triple option that Navy runs
would have had them calling the same plays on the 20 as it does on backed on
their goal-line. No body likes to see bad calls but this one had no change on
the outcome of the game.An to Anonymous, BYU should now all to well
about benefiting from bad calls, so think twice about what you write next time.
As for Navy being a week oponent, BYU has lost to them more than once in a bowl
game. Once again think before you write.
Sometimes the calls from the officials are against you and sometimes they go
your way, welcome to the imperfect world of sports officiating. I had a
basketball referee tell me once Ill stop making bad calls when you stop missing
your shots, especially free throws. It is time for the Ute fans to realize that
they may have got a break this time and for the BYU fans to realize they may
have got a break in the BYU Utah football game this year. Get over it and
learn this one lesson Life is not always fair, no matter what.
There are DOZENS of examples over the past couple of years of game officials
getting clear, unambiguous replay feeds and still getting the call wrong. Make them wear microphones and do their deliberations on camera so that
the whole process is public. Let's see if they are corrupt, cowardly or simply
stupid. In this case I suspect cowardly. Their lame admission
handed to bowl officials after they've collected their check and are on the way
to the airport is little solace. There's simply no excuse. Do
replay correctly, or not at all!
Everyone one knows, even Andy Ludwig (which it seems he doesn't know much) that
play calling at the 1 inch line is much different than at the 20. Navy got
hosed on a play call that everyone at home KNEW it was a touchback. It is unfortunate to see Utah's good win be tainted, but it is, a bit. I also question why Utah's play calling is so awful. Does anyone think
that Whittingham shouldn't have changed the offensive scheme ONE BIT after the
Fiesta Bowl run? But, does the offense resemble that one at all?
Hey Anonymous:Are you serious? I guess I need to remind you of the
free 30 yards byu received on its final drive against Utah from 2 horrible
calls. It is nice to have a bad call go our way for a change. Now I
know how it feels to be byu.
Once again the game is decided by poor officiating and not the players. There
is no excuse for the review officals to miss that call. Someone should be held
accountable for that blunder.
Hey BYU...quit whining and by the way did you hear Lou Holtz not once, not
twice, but three seperate times claim that Utah, "has the best non-BCS personnel
in the country". BYU..that includes you, regardless of what your your weak tiny
minds might think...
Utah didn't score, Navy went 4 and out. And I don't want to hear any of this
"well they would have scored if starting from the 20 and not the 1 inch line"
from any BYU fans looking to discredit another win. If you really think where
the ball was changes Navy's playcalling then I would disagree. I don't think
they ran more than 4-5 different plays the whole game anyways.I'm
not saying the call was right, it was obviously wrong...just that it shouldn't
taint the win because Navy had more than enough chances.
Sounds like the Utes give credence to the phrase "It's better to be lucky than
good". How can you criticise the D-News for writing something negative about the
officials admitting a major blown call when the utes are endlessly complaining
about two obvious calls against them at BYU claiming "that's why we lost". When
a call in their bowl game probably made the difference in their lucky win.
face it the utes can't win unless they get breaks from the stips...but enjoy
your spectacular victory over a weak academy football team. harline and collie
are still open!
You are right Scott let's play the what if game...-What if Ludwig could
have figured out before the second half that passing on Navy actually works?-What if Navy passed for 800 yards and ran for 300 yards?-What if the
nation wasn't at war at this time, would Navy had won?-What if aliens came
down during the game looking for signs of intelligence and you were passed
over?-What if Austin Collie was playing for Navy, would God have blessed
the Midshipment with a victory?-What if you had 3 friends who could sell
my "miralce health juice" to their 3 friends, etc.I think there is one
thing we can all agree on, what if you your silly article wasn't published... we
would all be better off.
Why do you have a BYU-homer like Scott Taylor writing about the Utes? Obviously,
Taylor was going to pick something negative to write about, and he did. Next
time D-News, try having someone that knows even a tiny, little bit about the
team write something.