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Jennings defends Mormon faith via N.Y. newspaper
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The unique thing about Mormonism is that it claims to be led by a man who talks with God and so Mormonism's doctrine and policies are God's doctrines and policies. I think other religions (excepting Catholics) don't make any such claim and state that the shady doctrines or policies were in error and caused by mans erroneous ways.
It's tough to live up to the resulting expectations when a man speaks for God.
Who is Lawrence O�Donnell? A typical narrow-minded, ignorant, left-wing hack? His words serve no purpose and expose his ignorance. Americans know him for what he is. He has done it before. But what he doesn�t get is that it exposes his character flaws, such as his pre-disposed intolerant anger and hatred of Mormons, or it could be any minority group. It�s not personal.
He should judge people by their fruits. Mormons help build up this great country. If he only understood the history of the American West, he would know this. But maybe he thinks the United States of America ends at the Mississippi River. He should study the settlement of California and the role Mormons played there. Mormons serve in the US military to help protect our precious freedom of speech so he can spout his bigoted raves on TV so all can see.
He seems unstable. As I said earlier, he�s entitled to, �his ridiculous opinion.�Who cares what he thinks. Obviously his comments and opinions can�t be taken seriously or trusted by Americans. He is what he is. An unstable, ill-informed news analyst whose hallmarks are intolerance and bigotry.
God is the scapegoat for many ill practices. I don't see a loving God having a need to force anything on his subjects. We have free agency nad no angel is coming with a sword in violation of that God given right. What you are left to ponder is which "God" initiated this practice or even apprived it when it was not an acceptable thing in a community.
First, I'm not 'anti-Mormon', I'm an RM who attends church every Sunday with my family.
I've read the history of polygamy and understand it for what it is. If it was truly God's law, we would have all packed up and moved to Mexico instead of changing it.
President Hinkley told Larry King that he's "not sure that it(polygamy) is doctrine".
Read the heading to D & C 132. Joseph Smith was harldy reluctant. He had been 'practicing' polygamy for years prior to writing section 132.
Compton's book (he's LDS) is a good, objective history.
I KNOW the history of polygamy and the LDS Church. It simply wasn't reluctantly practiced by either JS or BY, it was embraced.
Research who both of them married before stating otherwise.
I left Utah when I said that "She may be a Democrat and Black for all I know."
No humour when you mix God and Politics.
In numerous ways the Democratic party is more similar to LDS beliefs than the republican party.
As the mormons practiced it over a hundred years ago, it was about taking care of widows and older women who didn't marry younger.
I had a great grandfather who had to begged the leadership for a wife young enough so he could have children.
It was really all about social welfare as practiced.
It was never about marrying teenagers. A evil practice by modern polygamist groups.
More tolerant of homosexuality, more tolerant of destroying the sanctity of marriage by ENCOURAGING men to marry men and women to marry men, more tolerant of the Government continually bailing out people for stupid choices instead of individuals being held accountable for their foolishness, more tolerant of the ridiculous idea that all references to God in our Government and public forums must be completely eliminated, more tolerant of sexual relationships outside of the bonds of marriage (to include saying what Presidents do behind closed doors is "OK"), more tolerant of killing unborn children because, "hey, selfishness masqueraded as "choice" trumps everything", more tolerant of drug use for pleasure and more tolerant of brutal dictators as long as they stay outside our borders. Would you like more examples? Now, certainly not every Democrat exemplifies these things but if you look at where the MAJORITY of these attitudes originate and persist, you won't see them in the Republican party. Are Republicans perfect? Nope! But!....I see them as being more in line with the best of mankind's true values.
Church antagonists have for years taken a simple teaching (we are all brothers and sisters of one Heavenly Father) and twisted it to its most grotesque: Oh, so the greatest and the worst who've ever lived, are BROTHERS?
Why do people in the Church allow those outside the faith to define it for us?
One commentator on the "Beltway Boys" said he found on the official church site that Mormons DO believe they are brothers. But he had to go all the way back to one Ensign article in 1986 to find it!
This is one of those fringe concepts that was never central to the gospel and doesn't belong in the modern church. As the church said on its website, God is the Father of us all. Nothing more, nothing less. Others should no longer get away with trying to twist it.
I am proud of my political beliefs and do not need to hide behind the pretense of being LDS to have a position on this issue.
I know what I have read, I know the hearts of men such as Brigham Young and Joseph Smith. I am sure that life was not a party back in the day, but these men married multiple wives, and I am sure that they did it for the same reason men today marry on wife, just many time over. To have an emotional, spiritual and physical companion, but with a little variety.
Go BY and JS. They were just smart to move the women way far from their mothers...
With all due respect & study, based on track record & leadership, please join me in endorsing Mitt Romney for President.
Karl-Michael Sala, Germanic Genealogist since '79
Jimmy Carter was a Dem, and the last I checked he was religious and further still, the only ex-Pres I see out there who's STILL striving to make the world a better place. I've not seen another who himself works w/ Habitat for Humanity and does the physical labor himself. Are we to condemn him for being a Democrat?
Why do people feel empowered to make themselves experts on things they know little about?
The high of being judgmental stems from a lack of self-esteem, which is apparent to all. The church does not emphasize the evil of this action enough.
Jeanine
2. When called as a missionary or a Stake President, Mitt Romney was an ordained minister as all LDS members who are called to leadership positions. Why is Huckabee somehow the only ordained minister mentioned in the media?
3. Why aren't there any Mormon Millionaire Ministers? :)
4. Why is everything I know about Mormonism not as it is, according to all the non-LDS experts in the media? Meanwhile Utah has one of the lowest divorce rates in the nation, BYU hasn't had a murder in who knows when. And as other churches have leaders removed by scandal, the "old" LDS church leaders who are not swayed by the newest fad, continue to keep a balanced budget, keep church doctrine the same around the world, and retain their best leaders even though they all work for free. Makes you wonder how so much good could come out of such an evil and misled group of people.
3. Why aren't there any Mormon Millionaire Ministers? :)
Well if you believe that Mitt is an ordained minister (question 2) than I guess that would answer your question of there not being any millionaire mormon ministers.
We could get into the whole tithing thing and business ventures but I think that has been covered before.
I know it's been long ago, so maybe you're not going to be back to reply, but maybe someone who feels as he does can help. Could you please give us the real history lesson, and give reference to prove Jennings wrong. Because I haven't seen you're credentials yet, but he's already proven himself beleiveable. Thanks.
I just love when evangelical religious leaders call the LDS church a "Cult" of non Christians without giving any definition of what a Christian is. Last I checked, anyone that believes in and strives to follow Christ should cover the textbook definition, but somehow they get away with this slander without reason or logic behind it. Do any of their churches even use Jesus Christ in the name of their church like the LDS Church? Perhaps they are not Christians then? No, just bigots! The only person qualified to call a christian faith non christian should be Jesus himself, or you are just showing that you are not all that much of a christian yourself!
Now I have some words for Ken Jennings:
Go Ken Jennings! What you said was awesome! And it does hurt alot when people who are ignorant or just plain mean put people down cause of their religion. And it needs to stop!! I am a faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I will also defend who I am and what I believe as I did in the mission field more then 20 yrs. ago.
We need more people like Ken to stand up to this media and political bias against the LDS religion and let them know we will not allow their double standard slandering any more! So much of it is either false or misleading, it is not even funny!
You see, I wasn't personally present to see Jesus Christ die on the cross nor to see His resurrection. I know this happened. Not because I read it in the Bible but have personally prayed to know that Jesus Christ is my Savior. The Holy Spirit has touched my soul to let me know THIS IS TRUE. Likewise, I wasn't personally present to witness God and Jesus Christ's visitation to Joseph Smith. But I KNOW THIS IS TRUE. I prayed and the same exact Holy Spirit touched my soul in the same exact manner(see Galatians 5:22,23). Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God and Gordon B. Hinckley is one today.
For the record, those who automatically judge and then discount another when you hear of their religious/ political affiliation, here is a point to ponder. The current prophet of the LDS church is a Democrat. Like it or not, IT IS TRUE, (as was true of Elder Faust). My point is that reading these posts has shown me that so many on both sides of this arguement are so quick to jump to conclusions about the other side that they don't bother listening to anything.
If you are a democrat following this discussion you should rest assured that there are many rational leaders within the LDS faith who do believe in the goodness of mankind, and promote the ideals of Christ is helping his fellow man.
If you are a mormon Republican, you should also rest assured that if your leaders found the good in the democratic party, so can you.
Both sides: Learn to Love! then listen.
I think your smug ignorance is wickedly ironic and funny.
Huckabee the Republican, on the other hand, IS running for the highest office in the land leading to the title of "The Most Powerful Man in the World."
That seems a bit different than being a news commentator, but only if you live in the real world rather than the Bush Black vs White world.
You know, the one where you are with us or against us, we are right because we say we are right, where "We do not torture" but we do water board (even though we hung Japanese soldiers for waterboarding our soldiers and court martialed US soldiers for waterboarding vietnamese people during that conflict). Where supporting the troops means putting a magnetic ribbon on the car, but actually paying for their healthcare when they come home with PTSD is bad. Where cutting funds off for schools means "no child left behind" and cutting back polution controls on powerplants means "Clear Skies".
Yes, Larry O'Donnell worked for a Democrat so that excuses all Republicans from Religious Bigotry.
Thank You Ken, for speaking up!
Surely you jest, Mr. Jennings. Joseph and friends were taking myltiple wives back in Illinois - when it was clearly illegal to do so. They tried to keep it secret (of course), and when some ex-followers exposed them they (Joseph's men) destroyed the printing press.
It is ironic that the freedom that Jennings has today to publish his revisionist-history spin is the same freedom that Joseph Smith wanted to take away from others.
Nice fluff piece, but that's all it is...fluff.
The difference between Joseph Smith in 1833 and David Koresh in 1993 is that the BATF was not going after Joseph Smith.
"Reluctant"???? Please..... This only leaves you looking bad...
Read Todd Compton's 'In Sacred Loneliness'
Read the chapter heading of D & C 132. It states: "Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the prophet since 1831".
JS 'practiced' it since 1831. How is there any reluctance at all in that? As I stated above, look at who he was married to, nobody can state that he reluctantly married any of thos women. Same for Brigham Young.
Ken Jennings has no more credentials than me. Do you honestly believe that being on television gives a person more historical perception than another person? I would wager that I've studied this topic more than Mr. Jennings has.
How do you explain GBH essentially denying that polygamy is doctrine?
"Isaiah 14: 12 -- "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
Clearly there was a pre-mortal life - even if only "Mormons" have been given those answers. Maybe others should do more studying, and less judging.
Me on the other hand, if it wouldn't hurt my wife, I would love the change to be able to experience other women. I'm not ashamed to say it. However your assertions Ernest. T. Bass although probably not untrue, are misleading.
I have for a long time believed that no Mormon would ever be elected President, but recently it has become fairly evident that the ONLY way this would ever happen would be if he/she ran as a Democrat. This is not to say that Democrats are actually religiously tolerant, but rather, religiously indifferent/ignorant. There is too much hatred for Mormonism from other "Christians" that you just don't see from the Democrats.
If Mike Huckabee wins, here's one Republican vote for a Democrat or Independent this upcoming year!!!
There is no limit to which liberals will slouch to slander someone or something when it stands in the way of their agenda.
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