When is your organization going to face the issue that illegal means illegal.
There are already laws on the book since I believe 1986 that the law spells it
out in detail for how our business community are to act in the appropriate
manner by following the Rule of Law. The legislators do not have to waist time
coming up with new crafted ideas. The Department of Homeland Land Security and
ICE needs to be supported. The legislators have access by just picking up the
telephone and request how you would like Utah to cooperate. Many states are
taking this action. And if our legislators are getting approval from the LDS on
all legislation from the Church stop it because this is un-American.
Anyone is welcome to my home if they enter by the front door and respect the
rules of my home, whether they be strangers, my friends, or the friends of
members of my family. No one is allowed to just enter without first being
admitted into the home by me or by a family member. No one seems to
think that my behavior strange. No one argues with my right to determine who
enters my home and under what conditions they are allowed to enter. Most who enter are guests that stay for a few hours. Some are invited to eat
with us. Some have come to stay for longer periods of time until they could
find another place to stay. Some have married my sons and daughters and, by so
doing, have gained full rights to use the house and full access to its
possessions.The United States is also my home. The same rules
apply. Knock before entering. Ask permission to enter. Agree to abide by the
laws while here, then you'll be welcome.
Nonsense.In neoconservative circles, our Mexican brothers and sisters are
being viewed the way the Jews were in Fascist Europe.
How many sides are there, Mr. Florez, to ILLEGAL?
"Nonsense. In neoconservative circles, our Mexican brothers and sisters are
being viewed the way the Jews were in Fascist Europe." - AnonymousWhich shows how ignorant you are. "Neoconservatives" are emphatically open
borders. Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, is the classic
neoconservative. He called amnesty opponents "yahoos." Another big neocon, Max
Boot, has proposed giving citizenship to anyone and everyone who signs up to
serve in the US military."Sen. Hickman might realize that if
he took the time to talk with our own state employers such as farmers and
growers; the construction, recreation and manufacturing industries; and service
industries such as hotels and restaurants."When I was a kid nearly
all of these jobs, save the fruit pickers, was done by legal Americans. These
industries don't support illegal immigration out of the goodness of their heart
- they support it because it's cheap, servile labor."He also
seems to fail to recognize the growing economy for local businesses that benefit
from a growing consumer market."Well in that case, Come One, Come
All! That's a recipe for a Ponzi scheme (no wonder Utahns like illegals). When
does it stop? When our population hits one billion? Two?
I agree with Mike's comments; sensible, legitimate and right. It's obvious that
too many members of our state Government haven't delved into the problems that
illegals bring to this state and country. Utah IS a sanctuary state. Now that
Arizona and Oklahoma have enacted laws that prohibit hiring, providing drivers
licenses, etc., to illegals, they are moving to Utah where they are welcomed
with open arms. And, they have brought with them their criminal element. We
have the largest Mexican Gang organization west of the Mississippi, excluding
California. The illegal drug business flourishes in this state. The education
process is pitiful because illegal students are mainstreamed and for the most
part, refuse to learn English costing the taxpayers millions each year for
interpreters. Nearly 50% of all babies born in some of our major hospitals are
to illegal immigrants who are then enrolled into our welfare system. Only until
we stop allowing babies, born of illegal mothers, citizenship in this country
will some of this come to a halt. And, when arrested for the majority of major
crimes in this state, these illegals should be incarcerated for the maximum, no
plea bargaining. Send a message that the door isn't open.
When people think of fascism, they imagine Rows of goose-stepping storm troopers
and puffy-chested dictators. What they don't see is the economic and political
process that leads to the nightmare. The people are rallied into a
unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat
or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists;
socialists, terrorists, etc.The legal/illegal argument against Mexicans is
merely a smokescreen for this nations' growing fascist direction amongst our
Florez gets close to the truth of the matter, and that is that the interests of
capital and labor are quite different, even though they share the same society.
To capital all labor (domestic and foreign) is a commodity with all of the
considerations due a commodity. An understanding of the immigration issue must
deal with the relationship between capital and labor, and that is neither an
easy nor comfortable thing to do.
TO ANONYMOUS- Yeah, but I'm not a racist and I'm certainly NOT a
neoconservative. I just believe in the rule of law. We are setting a legal
precedent if we award American citizenship to an estimated 11 million illegal
aliens just because many of their special interest groups tell us it's inhuman
of us to enforce our laws which explicitly tell us to deport these exploiters .
If our government will grant American citizenship to criminal illegal
immigrants--if it will actually do THAT, then-- what will it NOT do?? This needs
to be remembered.
I agree with Mike's analogy of "guests" to his "home" and tie them into Lew's
comments also. Immigrants are welcome to come into our home through the front
door, but that ignores that we have a large family and many doors. Other family
members - as Lew (and the author) states that different family members have
different agendas/purposes. Other family members are helping 'guests' in and
worse, the whole family sits down to eat with them and greets them, pretending
not to know. And yet, the whole family has known... the whole time. We've
allowed them in because we all benefit by them being in 'our home' and there's
lots of room and lots of work to be done. But now many want to reevaluate this
'relationship' but the family has to determine what 'our' common needs are and
how do we come together on them, hence Lew's comments. We're all in this
together, folks. Let's not fool ourselves.
Revising history"History" as told by supporters of LULAC, MALDEF, MEChA,
and La Raza almost invariably includes not only the claim that "Hispanics" were
here "first," but that "Hispanics" were established in large numbers throughout
the Southwest at the time the United States annexed that territory in 1848. In fact, the Spanish Empire was unable to establish effective control
over most of the land that today forms the seven States of the U.S. Southwest
Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, and Utah. The Indian
nations Apache, Comanche, Hopi, Navajo, Paiute, Shoshone, Ute, etc. not only
militarily defeated the Spanish attempt to invade and colonize this land, but
the Apaches and Comanches counter-attacked and raided deep into what is now
Mexico. The Comanches raided as far south as Guatemala
TO ANONYMOUS- Remember that our immigration laws existed long before the
illegal invasion from Latin America. We have one of the most liberal immigration
policies in the world. No one wants to enact Nuremberg Laws--we just want to
enforce the immigration laws already on our books--and for good reason!! Is
that so unreasonable? Do you realize how stringent, how well-enforced Mexico's
immigration laws are? People who employ the race card, with regard to the
ILLEGAL immigrant issue realize that legally their position is untenable. Most
thinking people aren't duped by that position.
To POLK- Thank you. I'm not surprised-- but remember Polk that for this much
needed bit of educated clarification you will be roundly declared a neo nazi by
many special interest groups. But console yourself with this thought: the Nazi's
were once a special interest group too. Wow, Guatemala, huh??
I am not sure why one would label those who want rule of law to prevail a racist
or "neoconservative" (whatever that really means)We have a system
here in our country that works very well. It produces opportunity and wealth for
all who participate. We have harbored immigrants from every country in the
world, taken them in and given them a home and opportunity. We have been able
to accomodate everyone and continue on with our business. Now we
are faced with an influx of immigrants that are here illegally and taxing our
system beyond breaking point. Are we racists, hatemongering, or facist to want
to control this situation? I think not.Seal the borders, fix our
immigration system, enforce our laws and our problem will be greatly reduced.
Doing these things will allow those from outside of our country to come here,
become citizens, and participate in our great system. They will contribute and
make us better. Thats how it has always worked.Do we have the
resolve and courage to do it?
If a white English-speaking American expresses displeasure over the prediction
that his ethnic group (if present trends continue) is destined to lose its
majority status, he will be called a racist.But Hispanic activists
publicly gloat over the increase of their ethnic group. Why isnt that racist?
This multi-facted problem exceeds the capability of our somewhat impotent
Every time I read an article such as this one and then read the comments I come
to same conclusion. 80-84% of the American Tax Paying citizens don't want
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Two snap polls (results aren't tainted) on Channel 2 & 4
also indicate that SAME result. So why shouldn't our legislators, attorney
general, governor and senators listen to the people. We are not racists, we are
American Citizens who want our laws enforced. We welcome LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
Some one coming here legally is screened for health, criminal background and
general charactor and have a desire to assimilate and become a citizen of this
country. Increase the legal quota, if necessary, but it must be done legally!!
The German government in the 1930's, due to a collapsing economy (devalued
Deutsch Mark, unemployment, etc., and low industrial production) drafted The
Reich Citizenship Law that put pressure on immigrants (especially the
non-christian Jewish variety) to keep them out of the country.Those who
cannot see the fascist-like similarities of today's illegal immigration problem
have already forgotten how far things got out of hand in The Fatherland.
Taxing our system, past the breaking point? I don't think so, grundle. A quick
google search will lead you to some recent studies that show that non-citezen
workers contribute more than they take. If you don't believe me, why don't you
protest by refusing to pay for cheap produce, fast food, clean hotel
It's not a question of anybody wanting illegal immigration or not, its the
unrealistic expectation that anything short of gestapo-like raids on illegals
(and how are we to know if they are legal or illegal - make them wear "L"s on
their clothes?)and building a Great Wall of China on our borders is going
to solve the problem.
I just read data on the issue of hospitals shutting down because they are going
broke treating illegals. Another article talked about Florida not being able to
keep obstetricians because they are being forced to deliver babies for free to
illegal immigrants. hmmm...seems like something is breaking.Sorry
you don't think so Lois....a quick google search comes up with plenty of
evidence that illegals are taxing our infrastructure...especially in health care
and education. I guess we all see what we want to see. What part of RULE OF LAW do you disagree with? What part of the
concept of LEGAL immigration do you disagree with. What part of my
statement about welcoming immigrants LEGALLY do you disagree with?What part of sealing the borders, fixing our immigration system, enforcing our
laws do you disagree with?I await your reply...
I think President Eisenhower's "operation wetback" in 1952 went quite well and
no one had to wear a L on their back. Then Sen. Kennedy passed 7, as in seven,
amnesties one of which was the "amnesty to end all amnesties" and now we have
12-20 Illegal Aliens in our country. If we pass another amnesty, history tells
us that the problem will become worse. Illegals are self-deporting out of
Oklahoma due to passage of the bill that Sen. Hickman is proposing for Utah.
Maybe we should look at it as a possible solution.
"If a white English-speaking American expresses displeasure over the prediction
that his ethnic group (if present trends continue) is destined to lose its
majority status, he will be called a racist. But Hispanic activists publicly
gloat over the increase of their ethnic group. Why isnt that racist? -
Polk1848Before the thought police took over, it would have been.BTW: Nice name. I get the meaning. Does anyone else?
re:tenx - I agree with you. Its like trying to get rid of the ants by
smothering them with honey - :)
Now you know what the Native American tribes must have gone through.And I
supposed the White Man by virtue of his white and delightsome appearance, were
automatically declared "legal" when they invaded the country.Sounds like
the universal law of karma to me.
John is partially right. Illegal immigration is a moral issue, but as he says,
"Immigration has always been a workforce issue." Not so many years ago, one
parent could earn a living for the family, even at unskilled entry level jobs.
Now a days, wages have been so depressed by the flood of immigrants, both legal
and illegal that both parents have to work for even a lower standard of living.
This is a workforce issue, but instead of looking at the depressed wages, the
employers are telling us that they can't find workers(of course they don't think
of paying more). Since they are not afraid to hire cheap labor illegal aliens
they don't want the flow of imported labor disrupted. John is also
right, it is a moral issue. The cheap labor employer use of foreign labor causes
many of our workers to be unable to earn a subsistence wage for their family,
and therefore require government, taxpayer subsidy. The addiction of employers
to illegal cheap labor is truly a moral issue. Wages are determined
by supply and demand. If a job can't be done for a fair, American subsistence
level wage, it doesn't need to be done!!
It's all about economics.Everything is now outsourced.GM is building
plants in China.Gas prices are never going to be cheaper.The dollar
is at its lowest point in years.Nothing is made in the U.S.And the
American ego rejects doing the jobs Mexicans (legal or not) are more than
willing to do.What's left?Make a scapegoat out of some group.How amazingly stupid!
I'm sick of the argument that Americans reject the jobs that illegal immigrants
do. What Amreicans reject is the CONDITIONS and PAY of that work, not the work
itself. I can assure you that if cleaning hotel rooms or picking lettuce paid
$16.00/hr or more & gave me holidays and benefits I'd be signing up - lots of
people would, at least for the short term until they could complete training for
a less physically demanding job or set themselves up financially through
This is a nation of laws. Illegals have broken one or more laws. Deport them!!
The article doesn't say anything. Where is the logical argument? The author is
pro-illegal immigration, but he dances about the bush so much one must read
carefully to get a fix on his position. It's typical Hispanic behavior. If you
cannot win an argument on the merits--protest, object, confuse, blame, demand,
Nothing wrong with following immigration laws (or any law as long as they are
constitutional).This goes to some of you (you know who you are) -
Make up your minds. Either the Hispanics, descendants from old Hispania are an
ethnic group and attacking them doesn't make you a racialist because it is not a
race or you view certain ethnic groups as inferior.Some of you
should think about becoming eugenicists by the way you argue things.
I'm from Delaware and I'm all for the State of Utah to pass an Immigration Law
to free the State of the "ILLEGALS". This Illegal Immigration has gone on long
enough. I was very happy to see Oklahoma pass their law and I'm sure other
States will follow. When Pennsylvania passes their law, Delaware will hopefully
follow, or we will be adding on to the 40,000 "ILLEGALS" we already have.GO UTAH!!!!!
I can't believe people actually condone illegal immigration. It is ILLEGAL. Do I
blame immigrants for coming here illegally, absolutely not. The US government
offers free healthcare, free education, and whatever other free "incentives" to
come to America which comes in the form of "subsudies" aka taxes we pay -- don't
forget birth-right citizenship, legal, but the linch-pin.Our dollar
is tanking, 43.6 million Americans can hardly afford healthcare and have no
health insurance, and we're paying taxes for nearly tens of millions of non-tax
paying illegals -- again, not their fault. Who's fault is it? Start
at your State Representitives and work your way up. Demand they start enforcing
the state's current immigration laws or have them start legislating for tougher
laws. Otherwise, vote them out!Seriously. How many schools,
hospitals, and other tax-paid services have to go under before people start
waking up? We the People must stand up and be heard, otherwise we might as well
starting thinking about Amnesty again....
I am sick of this propaganda. First of all, the estimates of illegal immigrants
in this country are so understated. I laugh when I see people write "an
estimated 10-15 million illegal immigrants in this country". That is complete
garbage - many estimates put it at 30 to 40 million. It is a big problem that
must be dealt with. I live in the New Jersey Soviet Socialist Republic and the
nearest major city to my home, Newark, is a sanctuary for illegals. My
girlfriend is from China and is here legally on an F-1 student visa. Even she
is shocked with all the illegal immigrants in the NJ SSR! Once she went to a
landromat where nobody spoke English and was appauled. At that time she
realized we should seek a greener pasture (i.e. a state with few illegals). I
am not a rascist. I am a law abiding Christian that would lay down my life for
this soil. I am wise to Hispanic propaganda articles like these, so reader
This man offers no solution other than the SURRENDER of this country to the
illegal aliens. He does not admit that the illegal border crossings should be
stopped. He certainly does not agree that those in this country illegally should
be deported. He blames business for hiring them....which is fine, as I do also.
He never admits that illegal alien crimes are a major reason why Americans have
run out of patience on this issue. In short, he offers us nothing other than
propaganda and platitudes. What we want and need is the invasion
reversed. What we do not care about is what country they should be returned to.
This is not about race. Mexican is not a race, nor is Hispanic. And yes, this is
likely to be the biggest issue of the 2008 campaign season. Unless
the Democrats can come up with a credible candidate on THIS ISSUE they will hand
the White House AND the Congress back to the Republicans. (By credible
candidate, I do not mean someone who very recently got religion on the subject
of illegal aliens.) We are NOT going to have another amnesty cheerleader like GW