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agnostic aggie | 12:32 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
hey no mo mo, as well. quit stealing my story..just kidding, i figured it out on
my mission, before i married the wrong girl & got trapped..
lds feminist | 12:39 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I don't care about Huckabee's comment about Jesus and Satan being
brothers, but I am very ticked that he thinks women should submit to their
husbands!!! I liked him better than Romney till I read that one.
Hey, lds feminist: | 12:50 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
"I don't care about Huckabee's comment about Jesus and Satan
being brothers, but I am very ticked that he thinks women should submit to their
husbands!!!"
he's a Baptist minister. It comes with the territory. All evangelicals believe this, because its in the bible that way.
he's a Baptist minister. It comes with the territory. All evangelicals believe this, because its in the bible that way.
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To Dave Wipf | 1:27 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
"As the article mentioned, we've got some important stuff to deal
with, and we're supposed to be electing someone to look after it with us. I
want to vote for the first one who tells me their religion is none of my
business and it stays out of the office."
I agree, I think Romney would probably be better off sticking to talking about his impressive list of qualifications.
I agree, I think Romney would probably be better off sticking to talking about his impressive list of qualifications.
RockOn | 1:35 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Mormons do have some very, very unbelievable beliefs. Here are the strangest:
1. God lives. Try proving that.
2. A virgin gave birth to a boy who turned water into wine, fed 5000 with a loaf of bread and fish, died and then... are you ready... he came back to life again -- resurrection!!
3. Paul actually met Christ on the road to Damascus AFTER the resurrection.
After that, the rest of what Mormons believe is easy. Prophets, angels, miracles, scriptures and so forth.
Now, if you really want to get strange, try believing as some do outside of Mormonism that God created everything from nothing (ex nihlo). That means he created Satan AND evil. Thanks a bunch.
1. God lives. Try proving that.
2. A virgin gave birth to a boy who turned water into wine, fed 5000 with a loaf of bread and fish, died and then... are you ready... he came back to life again -- resurrection!!
3. Paul actually met Christ on the road to Damascus AFTER the resurrection.
After that, the rest of what Mormons believe is easy. Prophets, angels, miracles, scriptures and so forth.
Now, if you really want to get strange, try believing as some do outside of Mormonism that God created everything from nothing (ex nihlo). That means he created Satan AND evil. Thanks a bunch.
Texas Ute | 2:11 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Don't worry about Mitt getting in. We already survived Harry Reid.
To Patata and Not Grateful | 3:14 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Gird up your loins! Why are you choosing to cower about the attention thrust
upon the Church now or in the future? Are you not aware of the truth spoke by
Brigham Young and other prophets? Pres. Young said (paraphrase):
"Persecutors try to kick Mormonism down to hell but every time they try
they end up kicking it closer to heaven". He also said (paraphrase):
"We could build this church up if only they would leave us alone. Oh well,
if they insist on persecuting us we'll just build it up all the
faster". Sorry I don't know the exact quotes but you've got the
gist of it. Take comfort in the knowledge that the Lord has set His hand in
motion and "no unhallowed hand shall stop the work from progressing".
It Mitt is elected, or not elected, the Church still receives attention and the
Lord wins either way. This election will help MILLIONS discern truth from
error. We should all be EAGER to help move the work forward and not be like
those in the D&C who displeased the Lord because they were afraid to
"open their mouths". The choice is yours but the CARAVAN MOVES ON!
:-)
Future Missionary | 3:16 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
As a future missionary preparing to serve in a stateside mission, the attention
excites me. It means that there are gonna be some interested people out there
that wanna know more about what we beliveve. If I do what I am supposed to do
and answer their questions as good as I can, then God will take care of the
rest.
Correction - First Temple | 3:17 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
BTW, the first Temple in this dispensation was in Kirtland, OH and not in
Nauvoo, IL.
Splain! | 3:26 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Could somebody explain why it is wrong to believe in scriptures other than the
Bible, when the maintream "christian" churches have their core beliefs
based on the Nicene creed (which was written several hundred years after the
Bible)??? Yet they claim they only believe in the Bible? And about proofs of
Book of Mormon... Could somebody show me the original manuscripts of the Bible?
Probably not because it would show all the plain and precious things that were
lost.
Protestant Paradigm | 3:51 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Protestants have long claimed that the LDS are not Christians. The reality is
that there are various sects of Christianity. You have Catholic Christians, and
Protestant Christians, and LDS Christians.
Each sect believes differing things about Christ, but all three groups believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Promised Messiah, the Savior of the world. However, only the LDS believe that heaven is large enough to include all three groups. The merciful nature of the LDS belief in God appeals to me. God is good at what He does, He knows how to save His children (see DC 76:43)
Each sect believes differing things about Christ, but all three groups believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Promised Messiah, the Savior of the world. However, only the LDS believe that heaven is large enough to include all three groups. The merciful nature of the LDS belief in God appeals to me. God is good at what He does, He knows how to save His children (see DC 76:43)
Scott in Texas | 3:55 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I am very excited about the prospect of having more attention paid to the church
as a result of the upcoming election. Truth can withstand all scrutiny, whether
it is from inquisitive non-members or from former members and critics who have
an ax to grind. The more people speak about the church, even if it is an
attempt to spread lies and misinformation, the church and the Gospel of Jesus
Christ will be benefitted. People will be touched by the spirit, and they will
begin looking for real answers because the lies just won't make sense to
them. The stone cut out of the mountain will continue rolling forward, and no
unhallowed hand will stop it.
Same Criteria | 4:00 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
The same criteria the anti-Mormons use to convict Mormons, would cut the legs
out from under their own beliefs. For example, they laugh at Joseph Smith claim
of seeing God in a vision, yet embrace Paul's vision of God while en route
to Damascus . They scoff at the idea of continuing revelation today, yet embrace
the continuing revelation of the bible that covers over 4,000 years of
man's history. They mock the idea of temple worship, yet love
Solomon's temple.
Their arguments against the LDS would sink their own ships of faith. Faith is in the eye of the beholder.
Their arguments against the LDS would sink their own ships of faith. Faith is in the eye of the beholder.
Faith and Repentance | 4:10 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Often times, people want to know the answers to LDS theological questions
without taking the time to understand the supporting doctrines. It would be akin
to wanting someone to explain calculus to them when they are not interested in
learning basic math.
When a person is willing to learn the basic doctrines of Faith, Repentance, Baptism by Immersion, and the need for the Holy Ghost, then they can build the doctrinal foundation that will support the beautiful doctrines of the Restored Gospel.
When a person is willing to learn the basic doctrines of Faith, Repentance, Baptism by Immersion, and the need for the Holy Ghost, then they can build the doctrinal foundation that will support the beautiful doctrines of the Restored Gospel.
C. Uneva R. | 4:46 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Rumor has it that a billboard is up, reading,"Don't pray about the
Book of Mormon! That's how they catch you!" ...That's right.
If you sincerely want to know about the truths of "Mormonism", pray
about it. Our Heavenly Father doesn't lie. He will, indeed, tell you of
its truths, as He has me, and millions of others who have humbly asked Him.
Why is Romney, alone, being "railroaded" about his relegion? Satan always sends his legions after his strongest enemies. He knows Romney, and his "co-horts", would do major damage to his efforts to further demean and damage the credibility, strength and unity of this great nation, as he is doing daily. He certainly wouldn't want that!!
I would never vote for any candidate on religious merits alone. I've met some "Mormon"s that, unfortunately, don't do our Lord's doctrines and principles justice, by any sense of the imagination. (I would suppose any religion could lay claim to that statement.)
I have studied Romney's personal and political history, and am well-pleased with what I've found. Is he perfect? No...but none of us are. He is, though, in my opinion, the best of what's currently available.
If you want a win...VOTE!
Why is Romney, alone, being "railroaded" about his relegion? Satan always sends his legions after his strongest enemies. He knows Romney, and his "co-horts", would do major damage to his efforts to further demean and damage the credibility, strength and unity of this great nation, as he is doing daily. He certainly wouldn't want that!!
I would never vote for any candidate on religious merits alone. I've met some "Mormon"s that, unfortunately, don't do our Lord's doctrines and principles justice, by any sense of the imagination. (I would suppose any religion could lay claim to that statement.)
I have studied Romney's personal and political history, and am well-pleased with what I've found. Is he perfect? No...but none of us are. He is, though, in my opinion, the best of what's currently available.
If you want a win...VOTE!
no mo mo bye bye!!!! | 5:02 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Hey NOMO and NOMO AS WELL and the rest that think they know more about the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints than anyone else in the church.
Being a member of the Church means to me that if I live a good life and keep my promises that I have made to my Heavenly Father my family and I can be together forever. That is what the gospel means to me. It's that simple.
Everyone has their own free agency to make their own choices. If you decide to leave the church because of something you read in a book or on the net that is your choice. Don't point out that I'm living a lie becuase I choose to raise my family within this gospel. This gospel is the best thing for me and my family.
If Mit doesn't get elected that's ok because people will investigate the church more now than ever. I applaud his efforts within this campaign.
Being a member of the Church means to me that if I live a good life and keep my promises that I have made to my Heavenly Father my family and I can be together forever. That is what the gospel means to me. It's that simple.
Everyone has their own free agency to make their own choices. If you decide to leave the church because of something you read in a book or on the net that is your choice. Don't point out that I'm living a lie becuase I choose to raise my family within this gospel. This gospel is the best thing for me and my family.
If Mit doesn't get elected that's ok because people will investigate the church more now than ever. I applaud his efforts within this campaign.
Not a dark closet | 5:11 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
A short film tells of a lighthouse keeper who died. In his "will" he
left significant mementos with relatively unknown acquaintances. The recipients
thought the gifts were somewhat of a joke, pieces of common trash: ie a common
sea shell, a couple dollars, a dried rose. No quick explanation gave the
objects any value or understanding. Why he would even hold onto these objects,
let alone bestow them in his will, seemed ludicrous.
Then one by one the people each took some time individually with their objects and a deeply moving explanation in the form of a letter from the recently deceased. Once they were able to understand his feelings for why he had valued these items, their value increased dramatically in the recipient, and they again became prized possessions.
In some ways explaining doctrines fall into the same category. Space and time in a 200 word reply cannot convey correct understanding. It would serve only to trivialize. So no reply often must suffice until the hearer has a better forum in which to gain greater understanding. Suffice it to say we believe we are all part of the family of God, brothers/sisters. One family; Satan, Christ and us.
Then one by one the people each took some time individually with their objects and a deeply moving explanation in the form of a letter from the recently deceased. Once they were able to understand his feelings for why he had valued these items, their value increased dramatically in the recipient, and they again became prized possessions.
In some ways explaining doctrines fall into the same category. Space and time in a 200 word reply cannot convey correct understanding. It would serve only to trivialize. So no reply often must suffice until the hearer has a better forum in which to gain greater understanding. Suffice it to say we believe we are all part of the family of God, brothers/sisters. One family; Satan, Christ and us.
As a previous member.... | 5:12 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I can say that this was bound to happen. It is unfortunate it happened the way
it did, however, it is time to take a hard look at the beliefs. If a person
likes them and is not ashamed of them let them tell all (in a kind, good way).
But if there is a hesitation stop and ask yourself why. I'm sure it is
time for some to re-evaluate (as I did) and not just support something because
you were told to. I have had numerous people tell me that the beliefs they
thought they knew are not what they thought when they actually dig deep.
I don't mean this to be hurtful or negative, only realistic and true.
I don't mean this to be hurtful or negative, only realistic and true.
Caring | 5:53 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
In regards to O'Donnel's false comments about the LDS church and that
Joseph Smith is a fraud: No other church receives as much tithing per member,
helps as much in worldwide disasters, does as much missionary work per member as
the LDS church. What other church is as debt free and builds as many chapels?
What other church has apostles as Paul indicated must be in Christ's
church? What other church has more scripture given to it? Many people are like
O'Donnel in that they love darkness rather than light. Many people pretend
that the Book of Mormon doesn't exist, or if they admit that it does exist,
why aren't they using it? It came to us by a series of heavenly events,
and if you don't believe that you must try explaing where it did come from.
That endeavor has not yet proven successful by anyone. Some still believe that
24 year old Joseph Smith wrote it in less than a year. That is like believing
that a high school graduate could have written the complete works of Shakespeare
in less than a year.
I have prayed, and searched! | 7:26 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
As a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I too
have had to evaluate and search out and pray for understanding of my beliefs.
This has been a great blessing to me. Today as I sat in Sunday school class I
was encouraged to pray, to strengthen my relationiship with my wife and to
develope a closer relationship to Christ. The test is in applying the doctrines,
it always has been. Jesus, when questioned about his seeminingly misguided
teachings said, "If any man shall do His(The Fathers)will, he shall know of
the doctrine, wether it be of God or wether I speak of myself" John 7:17??
Anyone can come to a certain knowledge of the truth by living the teachings
Christ has revealed. My 8 year old son can do that, I can do it, grandma's
and grandpa's can do it, anyone can do it. I have seen it happen in my life
and in the lives of hundreds of others. You don't have to be a historian,
archeologist, scientist, professor, writer, or gospel scholar to beleive. Trust
God at his word. That has been the basis of faith since the beginning. Trust
God!
Trust Which God? | 7:42 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Or which belief? I have researched much of the teachings of religion in the
world and there are many. I do not find belief in what you believe in.
DSC | 7:42 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I suggest we all pull up a lawn chair and watch from a distance. Lets not sweat
the "what if" and worry about the "what is". What this is to
the mormon faithful is a perfect opportunity to share the gospel...or to shy
away from sharing it. Lets not worry about what will it be like if Mr. Romney is
president unless it happens. He still needs to be named the Republican nominee
and he still looks like a long shot there.
danite | 7:42 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
As a long-term member of the church, I find it strange that the article mocks
Huckabee's question as reductionist, then proceeds to reduce LDS doctrine
to a simplicity that makes it unrecognizable. The article blithely recreates
Mormons as Pelagian heretics. What is this business about Mormons believing that
they will create planets if they get an "A+" on some cosmic exam,
involving, no doubt, all works and no grace.
Really, if you are striving for nuance, you might need to get smarter reporters.
Really, if you are striving for nuance, you might need to get smarter reporters.
Dennis | 8:17 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
"Our mission is to teach the gospel of Jesus Christ NOT elect
politicians." (lds.org, search "Political Neutrality")
Now...enough said.
Bob | 8:49 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Although it does not appear that Mitt Romney will be the Republican nominee,
there is much to gain within the church culture by discussing his political
views. I would like to see more debate about the political differences between
Mitt Romney and Harry Reid. Which ideology would find support in the Book of
Mormon and Doctrines and Covenants?
Does Mitt Romney really want the granting of scholarships to deserving hard working children of illegal immigrants to be his defining issue? Why did Mormon comment as he did in 3 Nephi 6: 10-12?
What did Nephi mean in 1 Nephi 21:22?
Also, did Mitt Romney really encourage the missionaries in his zone to read books like "How to Think and Grow Rich"? I will still vote for Romney, but at the same time hope that the Harry Reids get elected to Congress.
Does Mitt Romney really want the granting of scholarships to deserving hard working children of illegal immigrants to be his defining issue? Why did Mormon comment as he did in 3 Nephi 6: 10-12?
What did Nephi mean in 1 Nephi 21:22?
Also, did Mitt Romney really encourage the missionaries in his zone to read books like "How to Think and Grow Rich"? I will still vote for Romney, but at the same time hope that the Harry Reids get elected to Congress.
thatchman | 10:00 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Hi everyone,
I've been watching, listening, and standing on the sidelines for quite some time.
I live in Washington state and end up in California on a regular basis. I was raised on the west coast and now am in my mid 40's with 3 teens. I've seen my share of bigotry and animosity towards the church in my days and am glad to see over the past few year the gradual acceptance of our faith.
However, I do not intend to gladly throw my kids, myself, my other church members into the fray of persecution that will follow if Mitt is elected.
As a staunch Republican, I want to have least amount of involvement from my national leaders in my life as possible. Mitt as President would have a daily negative impact.
Please join in staunch support of voting for "Anyone But Mitt". I survived 8 years of Bill with very little negative impact to my family. I do not want even 4 years of the negative impact he would prove to me personally.
Yes... I'm serious... I'm a strong church member. Just got home from Tithing Settlement.
ANYONE BUT MITT!!!!!!
I've been watching, listening, and standing on the sidelines for quite some time.
I live in Washington state and end up in California on a regular basis. I was raised on the west coast and now am in my mid 40's with 3 teens. I've seen my share of bigotry and animosity towards the church in my days and am glad to see over the past few year the gradual acceptance of our faith.
However, I do not intend to gladly throw my kids, myself, my other church members into the fray of persecution that will follow if Mitt is elected.
As a staunch Republican, I want to have least amount of involvement from my national leaders in my life as possible. Mitt as President would have a daily negative impact.
Please join in staunch support of voting for "Anyone But Mitt". I survived 8 years of Bill with very little negative impact to my family. I do not want even 4 years of the negative impact he would prove to me personally.
Yes... I'm serious... I'm a strong church member. Just got home from Tithing Settlement.
ANYONE BUT MITT!!!!!!
Please read These posts again | 10:06 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I ask you to read all these posts again. I see a number of the my brothers and
sisters complaining that they are being persecuted because of their faith and
because of what they believe. In the same breath they are bashing the other
religions. How are we to accept each other as christians in this manner? Stop
and think. To claim percecution and then regard the other religion as wrong is
doing just the same.
If we want to claim persecution maybe we need to go back a few more years to the Exodus or the begining of christianity. There was a little more percecution going on.
Remember about those looking for the splinter in your neighbors eye when you have a beam in your own.
If we want to claim persecution maybe we need to go back a few more years to the Exodus or the begining of christianity. There was a little more percecution going on.
Remember about those looking for the splinter in your neighbors eye when you have a beam in your own.
Losing my Faith | 10:29 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
With this presidential race after listening and inquiring more about the
doctrine of the mormon church I am losing my testimony with the
mormon church.
After inquiring more about the doctrine of the mormon church I started to go to Mass again.
mormon church.
After inquiring more about the doctrine of the mormon church I started to go to Mass again.
Uh Oh | 10:47 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
Quick, get him...a Catholic...He's leaving the church to going to
Mass....
Just kidding. Hope your faith serves you well my brother/sister.
Just kidding. Hope your faith serves you well my brother/sister.
Dennis B. Phillips | 10:56 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
I was born and raised LDS/Mormon. I haven't always practiced my faith, I
know what I was taught growing up is true and real. and yes I've challenged
it from time to time. Do know Family is the essence of life and we believe we
all should work together as a true and close family does. If bonding for the
good of our nation does not work for you, please move to another country and
you'll find just how blessed you are to be an American.
Let's get God back in our nation and stop forgetting,,, We founded this great nation on the principles put before us in God's word.
Let's get God back in our nation and stop forgetting,,, We founded this great nation on the principles put before us in God's word.
FIRSTEGG | 11:32 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
At some point, for EVERYONE, faith is a choice. That's the plan, to place
us ALL in a position to choose. I would bet that each of the "previous
members" who have commented above, came to the point of choice at a time
when they were out of tune, and so were lost. Nomomo et. al.-- examine that
premise. What were you doing when you came to your "realization" that
the Church was false? I have known dozens of "ex-Mormons," and without
exception, they met the moment of choice when they were unaccompanied by the
Spirit, because of SOME behavior on their part, ranging from immorality to
addiction to just being angry or offended. If they will be totally honest about
their apostasy, ALL will admit that they were screwing up at the time of their
exit from the church. ALL. I have never seen it to be otherwise. The church is
true. And if they were in line, that would have been the answer to their
searching. Cannot be otherwise.
Judy | 11:44 p.m. Dec. 16, 2007
This is addressed to all the wilting testimonies out there. Get on your knees
and pray for more faith and go out and serve your fellow man. Be involved in
your local elections. Do good to one another.
Daisy | 12:40 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
Is Mike Huckabee really stupid? This is what he would have us believe. "I
was casually asking the reporter a question about the mormon faith" does
he really expect us to believe that as a political figure that has had years
experience with the press he was casually talking to a new york times reporter?
if this the case then I truly don't want him elected as president because
he is not real bright!
Right On, UtahRez | 12:52 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
...and to top-it-off, Elder Ballard,(and apparently the other Authorities) want Mormons, everywhere, to defend the faith!
How about if the Authorities just tell the truth; and tell it with clarity, instead of condemning the person who questions...and then, makes confusing statements? The WHOLE truth for a change.
Jim | 3:29 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
We should be thankful to live in a country. where we can have the right to
worship as we wish.
As an LDS member,I hope this debate about the church will,be also a way for more people to search their heart to seek out the true church.
As an LDS member,I hope this debate about the church will,be also a way for more people to search their heart to seek out the true church.
and so this is christmas | 4:16 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
show me!
EM | 4:49 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
I am just amazed at the comments by my LDS brothers and sisters towards those of
us who have a different faith journey than theirs. I am a practicing, devout
Catholic who has been dating a devout LDS woman for the last year. I read the
Book of Mormon and other LDS scriptures to better understand her faith and her
beliefs. I prayed over and over again to Our Heavenly Father for understanding.
My answer came back to me that my own faith journey is what speaks to my soul.
Her response: I was not humble enough and that was why I didn't feel His
response. I feel bad for my LDS brothers and sisters and for people of ALL
faiths who believe that only THEIR religion is the TRUE religion. My
Catholicism speaks to me and my soul, just as the Book of Mormon speaks to hers.
Why can't that be encouraged and accepted by people of BOTH faiths? To
HAVE faith and a love of the Savior rather than to not believe at all???
Anonymous | 6:29 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
When one idea is "true" and all others are "false" -you have
a potential warfare situation sure to result in lose-lose.
Steven Cohn | 7:17 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
I am Jewish, but I have great admiration for Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-Day Saints members. Whenever there is a crisis in the world--from
Hurricane-stricken New Orleans to Tsunami-striken Southeast Asia, they are
there. Their dedication to their fellow human beings (Mormon or not) is second
to none. Nothing "isolationist" about LDS.
That said, it is sad that the so-called "Mormon question" has impacted Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. His beliefs are his business just like mine are my business. Why his LDS membership should be a campaign issue in 2008 when it was not when his father ran for president in 1968 is a giant step backward for this country.
John F. Kennedy's great September 1960 speech before Houston Baptist ministers said in essence that he was a candidate for president of the United States who just happened to be Roman Catholic. That should have put everything to rest.
Instead, as Maureen Dowd wrote in The New York Times (December 15), the Republican presidential campaign looks more like an effort to lead the Council of Trent.
Whether or not Mitt Romney is elected president should be deterimined by his character and the issues--not his faith.
That said, it is sad that the so-called "Mormon question" has impacted Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. His beliefs are his business just like mine are my business. Why his LDS membership should be a campaign issue in 2008 when it was not when his father ran for president in 1968 is a giant step backward for this country.
John F. Kennedy's great September 1960 speech before Houston Baptist ministers said in essence that he was a candidate for president of the United States who just happened to be Roman Catholic. That should have put everything to rest.
Instead, as Maureen Dowd wrote in The New York Times (December 15), the Republican presidential campaign looks more like an effort to lead the Council of Trent.
Whether or not Mitt Romney is elected president should be deterimined by his character and the issues--not his faith.
It is said... | 7:36 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
That Huckabee and others like him are trying to turn this election into a
religious debate by nitpicking at Mormon's and Romney's faith to gain
points amongst his fellow Southern Baptists.
I'm afraid the Republican campaign is rapidly becoming less about leadership ability, experience, and qualifications for the position and more about religious beliefs and adhering to one "accepted" interpretation of the Christian faith. Why else would Huckabee even be a factor in this race? Its clear he is one of the least qualified of the group. He owes his surge in the polls to his fellow Southern Baptist and he knows it. Why else is he trying to score more points by criticizing Mormon doctrine? Pathetic.
I'm afraid the Republican campaign is rapidly becoming less about leadership ability, experience, and qualifications for the position and more about religious beliefs and adhering to one "accepted" interpretation of the Christian faith. Why else would Huckabee even be a factor in this race? Its clear he is one of the least qualified of the group. He owes his surge in the polls to his fellow Southern Baptist and he knows it. Why else is he trying to score more points by criticizing Mormon doctrine? Pathetic.
Arizona Native | 8:54 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
Please, let's get a few things straight. There is no such church as the
"Mormon" Church. There is the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day
Saints. We are LDS or Saints, not Mormon. If asked, I am an LDS member. Every
LDS male member who has been ordained to the Melchizadek Priesthood is an
ordained minister, just as those of religious colleges. If you look at the
protest from the non-LDS ministers it is a smoke screen. None of our LDS
minister obtain their living from their members by donations, simply because
they are not paid. Other minisiters are paid thus if they lose their members to
the LDS their is less pay. Simple logic. LDS pay tithing, it supports the
buildings not the officers. Nuf said.
Walter | 9:15 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
Lets keep in mind that the head of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints is the Savior himself, so no matter what Mitt Romney does or say or any
body from other denomination say about the church that will not stop the will of
the Lord. I can see that all the exposure our church is receiving will be a
challange for members whose testimonies are weak, there is only one way to
strengthen our testimonies, and we all know what it is. Live the Gospel to the
best of our abilities.
No momomomomomomo | 9:53 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
So you have a "testimony" that it isn't true? You've
studied? So have I--as a life-long member and academic. I've spent years
and years teaching college classes on LDS history as well as the logic that so
often drives people away: Foucalt, Aristotle, Plato, Vittgenstein, Social
Constructionism, Marxism, and so on. I've written and published about
Joseph and Brigham and Heber and Sidney. I've spent years in the libraries
reading journals that members don't even know exist. And what have I
found? Nothing that says JS or anyone else was a fraud. Nothing. It's
not there, unless you're so myopic that you don't understand context.
It isn't a "house of cards." It's a religion. And it's
true.
Now, have I convinced you? I hope not. No one can "convince" another of a religion's veracity by simply reading about Joseph. You have to learn yourself, from God. So I cringe at anyone who bases everything on our history much like I cringe at those who have "Ensign testimonies."
Now, have I convinced you? I hope not. No one can "convince" another of a religion's veracity by simply reading about Joseph. You have to learn yourself, from God. So I cringe at anyone who bases everything on our history much like I cringe at those who have "Ensign testimonies."
forgetting something | 9:56 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
Lets keep in mind Walter, what Christ said,
"And I say to thee. thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)
This church is still going, Walter. No matter what Joseph Smith told everyone.
"And I say to thee. thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)
This church is still going, Walter. No matter what Joseph Smith told everyone.
Fredd | 10:19 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
All,
The comments such as, "every single person who left the church was immorral, addicted, angry, or offended" is really arrogant. And to be told one "wasn't humble enough" if God didn't tell them the church was true is also arrogant. I wish the LDS people good luck as they are in the spot light. None can disparage your theology. You history (syayements made by prophet's in the last 150 plus years) and the authenticity of the events in the BoM is what you will need to defend.
The comments such as, "every single person who left the church was immorral, addicted, angry, or offended" is really arrogant. And to be told one "wasn't humble enough" if God didn't tell them the church was true is also arrogant. I wish the LDS people good luck as they are in the spot light. None can disparage your theology. You history (syayements made by prophet's in the last 150 plus years) and the authenticity of the events in the BoM is what you will need to defend.
GlenHoll | 10:20 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
To: Forgetting Something. Peter was not the subject or object of the Saviors
comment about the rock. Christ comment was directed to revelation and not his
flesh and blood that is the rock by which which Peter knew that christ was the
savior. Sorry about your interpetation. Peter the apostle was later Killed by
the political and pagan religious leaders of the day. Things have not changed to
much.
Who cares? | 11:16 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
I don't understand why people make such a big deal about it. Who cares what
Mormons believe? As long as they aren't out hijacking airplanes to crash in
the name of their faith, who cares? They can believe what they want. No one
forces them into anything. What does it hurt non-members of the church if
Mormons believe this or that or the other thing. Both atheists and other
Christians shouldn't worry so much about what the Mormons do. As long as
it's not hurting someone else, who cares?
TDW | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 17, 2007
Gee, I thought the first temple was in Kirtland, Ohio.
Don't accuse... | 12:23 p.m. Dec. 17, 2007
Don't accuse someone who has left the LDS Church of having committed a
grievous sin, that is not always the case....I say that from personal
experience. Some people are naturally curious and they eventually find all the
pieces (that they were told did not exist) and decide for themselves. No
sinning was involved. It turns out it is NOT all a matter of faith, sometimes
cold hard facts exist....
Lots of luck with theconverting | 12:47 p.m. Dec. 17, 2007
Leave it to a non-catholic (probably a Mormon) to try to discredit Jesus'
words in favor of Joseph Smith's. (GlenHoll 10:20)
Sorry Mormons but you will have a hard time convincing the 80 million catholics (a modest estimate) that you are right and they are wrong.
Best to keep your twisted notions to yourselves.
Sorry Mormons but you will have a hard time convincing the 80 million catholics (a modest estimate) that you are right and they are wrong.
Best to keep your twisted notions to yourselves.
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