this is all trash. People should be able to do what they want even with
religion. God is real. Read the Bible. The Four Gospels state very clearly
that God was born in a manger. How would we be here with out a God this could
not have happened by chance.
Christmas isn't owned by the Christians. It's a holiday owned by pagans of all
sorts, primarily because it's when the Sun (that's with a U) begins to rise
again in the sky. That's right: I'm talking about winter solstice. What a
surprise that the day (or time thereabouts) was already celebrated.
Christopher Hitchens is right. "Religion Poisons Everything"! Religious wars
have been fought in the name of god. People have been murdered in the name of
god. People have lost their jobs in the name of god (though illegal in this
country) it still happens. I am not offended by religion and peoples beliefs
and religious symbols. What I am offended by is that the supposed christians
and faith believers constantly insist on trying to convert me. I am a very
peaceful person and when this happens it angers me. I love this country mainly
because our constitution makes a distintion of seperation of church and state.
Freedom of religion to include freedom from religion. At work I was recently
accosted by a stack of $1 bills all stamped with something religious. It is bad
enough that I have to put up with "In God We Trust" on the money. Do we as
Atheists need to be subjected to such assaults? No! Take your poisonous
religion and keep it to yourself. If you are happy then fine. But leave us
atheists, free thinkers, agnostics, and the like alone. That is all we ask.
Stop trying to convert us!
Ironic that AWU, seemingly not an American, has to be the one to school
Americans on our Constitution. The Constitution is in no way based on the
Bible, not even on Biblical principles, no more than US law is based on the ten
commandments. The gas company is a non-issue, as private entities may do as
they like (within building codes, etc.). As a private citizen, I would consider
it offensive that the g-d GAS COMPANY for goodness' sake is telling me to be a
Christian.Bottom line: you believe your nonsense, I'll believe
mine, we will all get along just fine.
Pam, I've just got to disagree with you, although I respect your opinion and am
glad that you've stated it.My bottom line; what makes me proud to be a
free thinker is that I am glad that you have found something you believe in that
makes you happy. If everybody in the world wishes to believe there is a god
exept me, that is fine. Such matters are quite personal, and I show no negative
animous towards anyone who has differing spritual opinions ... just keep it out
of my government. The faith based initiative that Bush issued years ago has
been an assault on the integrity of the constitution of the united states. The
religious zealots who want my children to pray in tax funded schools are
absolutely off base and in direct violation of the first ammendment.If
religios zealots would just keep quiet, so would the atheists.Peace be
with you Pam
I just wish that everyone would leave everyone else alone and let them believe
and live how they see fit. If you got a problem with some huge cross somewhere
then take a freakin detour or put up a big atheist symbol somewhere. Everybody
needs to stop crying about god. Weather he exists or not doesn't change the
fact that in america he will always be followed and worshipped. I believe like
Bruce, I think that religion has gone too far in some aspects like the
rediculous concept of holy wars. This is what we need to address, not some
decoration over a gas station. If you wanna find the real problems with
religion then go visit Africa or the middle east. America have the very least
of religious issues but yet we all cry over one little cross. GROW UP!!
"...the constitution and our rights are based on the Bible, so why shouldn't we
put up religious signs?"The US constitution is NOT based on the
bible. Yours was the first country to separate church and state. There is not
one single mention of a god, bible, of Christian in the whole document. "In God
We Trust" only started appearing on your money in the 1950s for example. A
president is not even required to swear on the bible.Why does this
myth continue to be propogated?
Poor Pam. She means well, she really does. Right?The poor dear has a
problem with the "...new politically correct world..." and thinks things have
gone overboard. Pam, does the politically correct world bother you
as much as the religiously correct world does me? You see, you assume that your
atheist brothers and sisters, having gone astray, have done so from
Christianity. Isn't it possible that some of them - those who've strayed - were
Jews or Muslims? Could it even be possible that some atheists were NEVER
associated with ANY religion? Pam bemoans the hijacking of
Christianity. When it's gone, what remains will be a "society devoid of peace,
love, justice, compassion, charity, humility and grace." Pam, are we to
understand that Christianity has a patent on those qualities? Did they not exist
before the birth of your savior? Pam, feel free to celebrate your
religion with your family, but, please, don't expect me to celebrate with you.
Lots of Christians are all about fairness right up to the point where they have
to actually PRACTICE fairness, then they call it "Political Correctness" so they
can object to it. Talk about your "flip-flop"....
I'm so tired of stuff like this. Christmas is a time to celebrate the birth of
Jesus Christ. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS!! the constitution and our rights are based on
the Bible, so why shouldn't we put up religious signs? I just don't get it.
Well good for them for not putting up that eye soar. It is good to
read Atheist postings, it shows the they are closer to stepping put further and
without fear of retribution from the religously deluted nuts. Religion has had
it to easy for far to long, to call someone an extremist for their verbal
expressions is incorrect. There is nothing more extreme then Religious
Fundementalism and the atrocites carried out in the name of gawd. There is more then a 'few' on the left Pam, hate to break it to ya but
religion is dark age rubbish of wish-thinking and fantasy. Religious
practices, like binge drinking, should be done on ones own time. "The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian
religion"--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
Pam I have to somewhat disagree with you. Yes there are some atheists out there
that want christians to stop believing in their faith. Those atheists give those
of us who aren't like that a bad name. But as for your comment that religion is
the greatest thing that has happened to this world. I beg to differ. Religion
has poisoned societies and has killed people in the name of god. Christianity
being one of the worst of them. While I feel it is your right to believe what
you want and to say what you want. I don't get offended when someone says merry
christmas to me because I simply say merry solstice or you have a good one too.
What does offend me is when I do tell someone I am an atheist. They in most
cases will start preaching to me, quoting bible verses and try to convert me.
Then they get offended when I reject their ministry. Most atheists would just
love it if "christians" would just leave us alone to our own beliefs. Celebrate
the season your way. We will celebrate our way. I agree there are extremists on
Christians have strayed so far from the teachings of Jesus Christ that I don't
see how they can really call themselves Christians. Their only connection to
Christ is that they believe in him. They preach love thy neighbor, but
will cut his throat if he openly denies their beliefs. We don't need crosses to
remind the non-believers of this fact.
First of all, they have every right to put up a cross, because it is a private
company. Secondly, I think people are going overboard with this new politically
correct world a few on the left want us to live in. Does somebody wishing you a
Merry Christmas or Happy Hannukuh really offend you atheists. All you have to
do is kindly wish us a happy solstice in turn, and everybody is happy. Religion
really is the greatest thing that happened to this world. It brings out the
best qualities of humanity in those who follow it (except of course for a small
number of extremists). I truly believe they should keep the sign. If
nothing else, for tradition's sake; it has been up four generations. To
all those atheists who think they are under attack in America, you are wrong.
The only thing being hijacked is Christianity, morality, and all races of
religion, until we are left with a society devoid of peace, love, justice,
compassion, charity, humility and grace. May Jesus bless EVERYONE this
CHRISTmas season and bring all our atheists brothers and sisters who have gone
astray back into our Christian family so we may celebrate together.
Hi guys. I am a christian, and want to say thank you to Chase and Bruce.
Although Texas gas has the right to do so. I don't think it is pushing
religious beleifs on anybody. All it's saying is that that's what they believe
and nothing more.
Texas Gas is taking a step in the right direction. Religion is a personal
activity, and has no place being pushed in business. If TG employees want to put
little crosses or miniature trees in their cubicles and offices, that's great,
and they should be allowed to do that. I agree that the presentation of business
should be neutral. After all, it's not Texas Christian Gas, just Texas Gas. So,
way to go Texas Gas! Glad to see that somebody out there in the business world
is taking a respectful stance towards the rights of all our citizens! And by the
way, it's not a yule cross, it's a Christian cross. Yule is celebrated with
evergreen trees and wreaths :)
I don't see anyone hanging a big atheist symbol up anywhere. However, it's not
illegal. We have the same rights they do.
I find it offensive to have someone's religious beliefs shoved in my face. Why
is it allright to put huge crosses up, some right in my walking path when I
can't put a "garage sale" sign up without a city permit? Good for Mr. Jones. And
another thing,I am all for religious institutions paying their fair share of
taxes like the rest of us do. These houses of religion should be self
I am disappoint actually, I don't think that religion in America is a bad thing.
It teaches good morals and gives people reason. I am an atheist for no other
reason than the fact that I don't believe in a diety. I don't feel that I have
the right to tell others how to believe or complain about some cross somewhere.
And Christmas was born from Christianity Henry, no one is forcing religion on
you. You are not a target. They are just celebrating what they believe.
Believe what you want to believe and allow others to do the same. Christianity
is not destroying America, the government is. I am with Bruce on this topic.
Very glad to know this CEO was kind enough not to put up a cross, I hate
christmas for that very reason. For one month religon is forced on us and we are
suposed to like it.
I am very glad to see that america is beginning to free themselves from
religion.The time of religion is over. There is no need to delude
ourselves with lies anymore. As a Canadian I am glad to see that our southern
brethren are also embracing freedom from religion.(Christmas is a
pagan celebration, by the way, to all those Christians who thought it was
theirs.)I am a Canadian. My philosophy is of Humanism,
Transhumanism, and Atheism. I am a left-wing libertarian. I support a peaceful,
united humanity free from religion and racism, on a planet with a clean
environment, and if all the people of the world were to unite follow this idea,
then perhaps we could end such a great deal of suffering.Vote for
the Green Party!
Good job. Religion should always be kept private, no matter what the religion
is. Mainstream religious beliefs do not make them better than any other belief
system. I congratulate the company for taking the initative for maybe they will
set an example for other businesses and people alike.
Well done, Texas Gas! Highly commendable behavior to accept all people of al
beliefs into your domain.
I work and live in the "Bible Belt" and see nothing wrong with people displaying
religious things. Where I work we have many people put up religious sayings
holiday cards, and letters of thank you from churches in the area for donations
that we make. I am an atheist as well and don't feel the least bit offended.
If it is a public building like a court house, city hall or any sort of
government establishment then no I don't think that religious things should be
displayed. Don't get me wrong I would ultimately like to see people come to the
truth and realize that there is no god or higher power. But I also realize that
some people need to have something to believe in to get through life and be
happy. I find that I am happier now that I have come out as an atheist.
I think its great! If you want to practice a religion fine do it at home on
your own time. As an Atheist I would be upset to work there where someone else
is displaying a symbol that has nothing to do with the work I do and would
indicate my support of religion and a specific relgion at that. Religion is a
private matter, don't force it on others.
Frankly, I've never heard of a "yule cross". Supposedly, Christmas marks
Christ's birth, yet the cross is a symbol of his death. Seems contradictory to
me. Are you celebrating his birth or commemorating his death? Either way,
Christmas trees and wreaths and other such decorations are symbols of the
secular aspect of the season due to their pagan roots. As such, I as an ahteist,
have no problem with them. Similarly, I have no problem with the term
"Christmas", since it has become a generalized term for the season in the same
way "Kleenex" is a generalized term for tissues or "Xerox" for photocopiers of
any brand. An example of this is "Christmas tree" which combines elements of
both the sacred aspect (the word Christmas denoting Christ) and the secular (a
pagan tree). Christmas despite it's name, has more pagan aspects than secular,
and owes it's popularity to commercialism anyway. Wasn't that long ago Chrstians
tried to ban Christmas anyway, now they want to monopolize it. Another example
of christian hypocrisy.
"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private
school, supported entirely by private contributions."Ulysses S.
This may seem very contradictory. I feel as an atheist that if a person wants
to or doesn't want to place a religious symbol up is up to them. I personally
decorate for the Winter Solstice and all of my decorations are purely secular.
I don't find it offensive if someone says Merry Christmas or the like to me.
Where I work we sold Christmas trees this year. I am glad that the company
didn't decided to call them Holiday trees. Again let me reiterate that I am an
atheist and find nothing wrong with a company, private person displaying
religious symbols. As for placing them in governmental offices or land that is
a different story that I won't go into. I for one will be celebrating the
Winter Solstice with my family and loved ones this year and hope that all who
are religious or not have a safe Solstice, Christmas, Eid, Hanukkah, what ever
holiday one observes.Bruce
Mithra, and several other ancient gods', birthdays are December 25th, not
Jesus'.The Bible alludes to the fact that Jesus was not born in December.
Therefore, not only does Christ not belong "back" in Christmas, he never really
belonged there in the first place. Either that or Christmas does not belong on
December 25th. The church "hijacked" the December 25th date from pagan religions
instead of creating their own "holiday". HOWEVER, Texas Gas is a privately owned
(as opposed to government owned) company. The decision on whether or not to
display religious symbols on their property lies with them. It is an internal
matter. Legally, they are free to display them. I, however, applaud their
decision not to honor a myth.
Ok Jeff (guy quoted in article as opposed to the decision) let's by all means
get Christ back into Christmas and while were at it put Muhammed back into Eid
(this time of year as well) and Moses back in Hannukah (Jewish holiday this time
of year) and some pagan deities back into Winter Solstice (also this time of
year) ... bet you'd like that eh Jeffro?
Good for Mr. Jones. I would much rather do business that a company that leaves
personal religious beliefs at home rather than parading them in front of the
world.It was really the only decision a prudent business person