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Romney says 'attacking religion' going too far after Huckabee questions
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David S | 8:11 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Sure, "Anonymous", except that none of the Founding Fathers ever
insisted on a separation of church and state. None. Ever.
Thomas Jefferson, while President, himself attended church services in the Capitol Building. He didn't attend the services that were held in the White House or the Supreme Court building, however. Quite a separation of church and state.
Thomas Jefferson, while President, himself attended church services in the Capitol Building. He didn't attend the services that were held in the White House or the Supreme Court building, however. Quite a separation of church and state.
Scooter | 8:12 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
To Anon.:
Our founding fathers never insisted on a solid separation of church & state, they insisted on the state not promoting/forcing a certain religion.
If they wanted to have a 100% separation, then all laws would be thrown-out since they are based on the 10 commandments, which is part of religion.
Our founding fathers never insisted on a solid separation of church & state, they insisted on the state not promoting/forcing a certain religion.
If they wanted to have a 100% separation, then all laws would be thrown-out since they are based on the 10 commandments, which is part of religion.
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lynn h in Tennesssee | 8:18 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
What do you expect from a baptist preacher from the south?
Dennis Lisonbee | 8:19 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Huckabee has wasted his bully pulpit arguing religious doctrine instead of
letting us all know where he stands on the real issues. I want to know what he
would do about terrorism, failing schools, rising national debt and foreign
entanglements.
As you sow | 8:20 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Thus shall you reap. Mitt was perfectly happy to explicitly exclude secular
people from his view of America. He's got no right to whine when somebody
else picks on him.
Jim Lippard | 8:23 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Thomas Jefferson did not attend "church services" in the capitol.
These were social meetings for the discussion of all sorts of topics, which
included religion, but they were not worship services. David S. has clearly not
read James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance or Jefferson's Notes on
the State of Virginia--both strongly endorsed separation of church and state.
Madison, the primary author of the Constitution, thought that military chaplains
violated the First Amendment's establishment clause! Don't get your
facts on American history from David Barton, who is highly misleading and
unreliable.
Ryan | 8:25 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
It seems to me that now Romney's Faith in America speech has been given,
this whole LDS faith thing will blow up to huge proportions. People are not
going to get over the fact that he's "Mormon", even though they
should. I am frustrated that other presidential candidates are attacking him
about this issue -- super dirty tactics that only tell the character about the
person dishing the insults out.
Todd | 8:51 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I won't vote for Huckabee so if he wins the nomination it's the
Democrats for me.
Anonymous | 8:53 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I'm amazed by the comments I read about many articles. This country was
founded on Christian principles. The freedom we have is God-given. A
person's faith should always be a guide in his/her everyday life. The
farther this country gets away from Christian principles, the more problems we
have. To the immigrants who come here: Don't try to change this to what
you left. We have enough problems with our natives who have no understanding of
American History. As a Mormon, I could have supported Huckabee, but not now.
Of course the alternative could be a lot worse.
Norcal | 8:53 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
As a non-LDS that lives in California, I feel that Mitt Romney has exceedingly
more qualifications to be president than Huckabee. Unfortunately, religious
bigotry is alive and well in this country.
The Rock | 8:56 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Former governor Mike Huckabee walks a fine line. His candidacy has rocketed
upward in the last couple of weeks. He has declared himself to be the
"Christian Candidate". This implies that the other candidates,
including Mitt Romney, are not Christian. He has refused to answer the question
"Do you believe that Mormons are Christian?" This refusal indicates
that he believes that Mormons are not Christian.
Mormons are sick to death of Evangelical Christians playing God. Only God knows who is Christian and who is not. When Mr. Huckabee or his surrogates call into question the "Christianity" of Mormons, even indirectly, he offends every Mormon in America. This latest attack in beyond the pale.
The divide between Republicans and Democrats is razor thin. The last two presidential elections were decided by a single state (Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004). If Huckabee and his surrogates continue with this "Mormon Bating" and continue to play God, he will lose the states of Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Nevada and Wyoming in the general. Playing the religion card may win Huckabee the Republican nomination but it will secure his defeat in the general election.
Mormons are sick to death of Evangelical Christians playing God. Only God knows who is Christian and who is not. When Mr. Huckabee or his surrogates call into question the "Christianity" of Mormons, even indirectly, he offends every Mormon in America. This latest attack in beyond the pale.
The divide between Republicans and Democrats is razor thin. The last two presidential elections were decided by a single state (Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004). If Huckabee and his surrogates continue with this "Mormon Bating" and continue to play God, he will lose the states of Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Nevada and Wyoming in the general. Playing the religion card may win Huckabee the Republican nomination but it will secure his defeat in the general election.
Denise | 8:57 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I agree completely with commenter Dennis Lisonbee. Romney tried to shift focus
from a specific religion to a belief the issues at hand. I also want to know
where everyone stands.
Daniel | 8:57 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I love that America gets to see what the Mormon church is really about, SECRETS,
AND GUILT!
It's fare game.
It's fare game.
DLH | 8:58 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Yo Mitt, didn't you just attack secularists as a "religion" you
want to say the nation has to have religion but that we can't debate each
others' beliefs? You can't have it both ways.
I'm NOT voting for... | 9:00 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Huckabee BECAUSE of his non-stop running of the mouth
adan | 9:04 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Responding to some comments about the founders:
First, bear in mind how diverse the founders were. They were no more unified in thought than Democrats and Republicans are today--hence all the famous compromises at the constitutional convention.
That being said, yes, it is accurate that Madison and Jefferson adamantly endorsed strict church-state separation. Jefferson's 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist association is the source of the phrase, "wall of separation" between church and state. Madison heartily endorsed this view.
At the same time, Jefferson also has some famous quotations about the importance of morality and faith in public service.
Just clearing up the historical point, though, that these two were supporters of a "wall of separation."
First, bear in mind how diverse the founders were. They were no more unified in thought than Democrats and Republicans are today--hence all the famous compromises at the constitutional convention.
That being said, yes, it is accurate that Madison and Jefferson adamantly endorsed strict church-state separation. Jefferson's 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist association is the source of the phrase, "wall of separation" between church and state. Madison heartily endorsed this view.
At the same time, Jefferson also has some famous quotations about the importance of morality and faith in public service.
Just clearing up the historical point, though, that these two were supporters of a "wall of separation."
nothing to offer | 9:06 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Huckabee has nothing to offer over Romney. I live in Iowa and the attacks on
mormonism is constant on the airwaves from supporters of Huckabee. Hucks hope is
that bigotry will cloud voters judgement, if it doesn't, he'll lose.
He is doing nothing to stop bigoted sentiment from helping his campaign.
non mormon and a dem | 9:07 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I not a mormon and I wont vote for any republican but I do feel for Mitt. No
one else in the campaign has to explaine there religionand neither should Mitt.
It all comes down to dirty politics (smear campaigns) ie: the Swift Boat
campaign.
I think we ought to have laws against them. If you use them your out of the race.
This afirms my beliefs of getting rid of the electoral college, having private funded campaigns, and get rid of the evil lobiests.
More people would vote because your vote would truley count. This would encourage all the candidates travel to every state, not just the ones they think they will win.
Private funding would limit or hopefully eliminate smear campaings forcing the candiates to talk about the actual issues not someones religious beliefs.
Lastly if you get rid of the lobiest you get rid of the hands in our politicians pockets. If there were no lobiest then maybe the Patriot Act wouldn't have ear marks like not holding the pharmaceutical companies responsible for their poor testing of drugs.
Ok im off my soap box.
I think we ought to have laws against them. If you use them your out of the race.
This afirms my beliefs of getting rid of the electoral college, having private funded campaigns, and get rid of the evil lobiests.
More people would vote because your vote would truley count. This would encourage all the candidates travel to every state, not just the ones they think they will win.
Private funding would limit or hopefully eliminate smear campaings forcing the candiates to talk about the actual issues not someones religious beliefs.
Lastly if you get rid of the lobiest you get rid of the hands in our politicians pockets. If there were no lobiest then maybe the Patriot Act wouldn't have ear marks like not holding the pharmaceutical companies responsible for their poor testing of drugs.
Ok im off my soap box.
james | 9:08 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
As a practicing Latter Day Saint it amazes [and yet it doesn't] me how a
Pres. hopeful who is by far the most moral, honest, and lives his life as we
would want a trusted political leader to most likely will not win the nomination
soley because of his religous choice.
Sean | 9:18 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
To DLH, As you sow, etc.
There is a HUGE difference between attacking a specific religion and drawing a distinction between those who believe in a higher power and those who don't.
Over the last several decades, those who BELIEVE (nobody can prove either way) that there is no God or higher power have succeeded in getting their beliefs and only their beliefs taught in public schools and respected in many public areas of life.
It is not appropriate to attack someone's specific religion, but it is appropriate to address this huge political struggle that has been happening for decades where the beliefs of a majority of our nation have been slandered while the beliefs of the minority have been advanced through governmental policies and practices.
There is a HUGE difference between attacking a specific religion and drawing a distinction between those who believe in a higher power and those who don't.
Over the last several decades, those who BELIEVE (nobody can prove either way) that there is no God or higher power have succeeded in getting their beliefs and only their beliefs taught in public schools and respected in many public areas of life.
It is not appropriate to attack someone's specific religion, but it is appropriate to address this huge political struggle that has been happening for decades where the beliefs of a majority of our nation have been slandered while the beliefs of the minority have been advanced through governmental policies and practices.
Moessers | 9:30 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Yet one more proverbial nail in the political coffin of the Romney campaign.
Buh-bye Mitt!
Daniel what secrets? | 9:30 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I love how everyone says the mormon Church is so secretive. I spent two years
trying to tell anyone and everyone about the church. If you want to know
anything about the church ask the missionaries or your Mormon friends. I dare to
say Mormons know more about their church then most people know about their own
religion and what they believe
Excuse Me... | 9:31 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I am not a Republican, Mormon, or native of this great state, but I too have
been told by my fine Mormon neighbor that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. If
this is indeed NOT what the Mormon Church believes, then where is this
misinformation coming from? I really don't see this as an attack on
Mormonism, but simply a question that Mitt needs not dignify an answer to. What
is the big deal?
Slcman | 9:41 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Sean,
I lived in Utah, Pennsylvania, and back in Utah, and I can tell you that while I went to public school in PA, nobody told me I had to believe secular beliefs. What they did was teach science and things there are evidence for. I can't understand why the christians can't be happy having their own sunday school or seminary, or whatever they want to have. Why do you need to impose your beliefs on the public school system? I am sure you only want your beliefs taught and not those of another religion you don't agree with. What if they started teaching southern babtism in school in Utah? Would you be agree? Of course, what if they were teaching that Islam was the true way in school in Kansas? Would they be angry? You bet. KEEP RELIGION OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
I lived in Utah, Pennsylvania, and back in Utah, and I can tell you that while I went to public school in PA, nobody told me I had to believe secular beliefs. What they did was teach science and things there are evidence for. I can't understand why the christians can't be happy having their own sunday school or seminary, or whatever they want to have. Why do you need to impose your beliefs on the public school system? I am sure you only want your beliefs taught and not those of another religion you don't agree with. What if they started teaching southern babtism in school in Utah? Would you be agree? Of course, what if they were teaching that Islam was the true way in school in Kansas? Would they be angry? You bet. KEEP RELIGION OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
Slcman | 9:41 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Utah:
I agree 100%. I would not vote for Mitt simply because he is Mormon and I see the politics of Mormon politicians in Utah every day. He probably is the most qualified of the Republican candidates. Am I going to not vote for him because he is Mormon? Unfortunately yes, and it is a result of watching other Mormons in power. Is it unfair to make that judgement of Mitt based on the actions of Utah politicians? Probably, but that is the experience I have and it has created a fear in me of Mormons in power.
If Mormons want to change that feeling in me, and I am sure millions of others, they will need to stop trying to impose their beliefs on others through the use of government.
Are Huckabee's tactics despicable? Absolutely. I will not vote for him either. The last thing we need is another Christian crusader in the White House. The current one has been tremendously damaging to the country.
Rob | 9:42 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
To Uthan. The LDS Church does not own the state of Utah. There are LDS people
who live in the state of Utah who do have the same rights as you to be involved.
Be involved but please quit make attacks when you already know what the
demographics of Utah are like. That is what has made Utah a beautiful place,
how the State was started and all the varieties of people who have lived here
before and now.
When Ezra Taft Benson who later became the President of our Church was the Secretary of Agriculture the Church did not take control then.
The LDS church will not run the country if Mitt Romney becomes President. I am grateful that an honorable and moral man is running for President.
When Ezra Taft Benson who later became the President of our Church was the Secretary of Agriculture the Church did not take control then.
The LDS church will not run the country if Mitt Romney becomes President. I am grateful that an honorable and moral man is running for President.
The church isn't in control | 9:43 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
The people are. Yes, the majority are LDS. And the laws reflect their
preferences. The church teaches principles, and then people vote. Just like
California laws reflect the preferences of people there, or any other state.
Just because you don't agree with the preferences of the majority here,
doesn't mean we didn't follow democratic processes.
Gerad Gibson / NM | 9:45 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
This is dirty politcs at its best. Drop a barb and run. I now see Ole Huck as a
lesser man
To Todd: | 9:47 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Ditto.
Chuck Farley | 9:48 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
If Huckleberry or Huckabee or whatever his name is wins the Theocratic err
Republican nomination, I'm voting for Hillary. Just curious, did Huckabee
and his congregation handle snakes and drink poison. I heard that's
Baptists do in the South.
tiddlywinks | 9:48 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
We are all brothers and sisters even if we do not want to claim some of the
biggots.
To Excuse Me | 9:48 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
The big deal is Huck has a degree in Theology and a Baptist minister who knows
politics in the evangelical right. By dropping this inflamatory question he was
not trying to attack mormons he was trying to remind evangelicals that Mormonism
is full of positions they would find extreme, and totally unacceptable. Get a
little knowledge about how things work in politics. Huck knows quite a bit
about mormonism and knows how to "innocently" turn religious
conservative voters against Mitt. And has done this type a thing before.
Mr.Ed | 9:50 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Why won't Mormons or Mitt just answer the questions HONESTLY? Why are they
so afraid of the truth? Even the spokespeople for the Church talk jibberish when
asked a DIRECT question. I guess like so many other things that Mormons justify,
"Lying for the Lord" is completely acceptable. Why give them meat when
milk will do? That's what they tell young Mormons. How about a little
HONESTY?
Jack Russell | 9:52 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
I believe someone�s religion does play a role in telling a
story of who a person is ... that being said, I think that if Huckabee can ask
religious questions then he should be prepared for the public to look at
Huckabee�s religion and ask questions.
Julie | 9:52 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Why is it that Mr. Romney is the only candidate that has to defend his religion?
If he becomes president he is not going to make everyone become Mormon. This is
just something new for America and that scares a lot of people who fear change.
Why not give him a chance? I believe America would be pleasantly surprised at
how wonderful and positive it could be. Mormon, Catholic, Southern Baptist, etc.
we shouldn't vote on the religion of the person but of the views of the
person and how they will make America a better place
Utahn | 9:57 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
1. I used to be LDS
2. Never heard they were brothers of have read it in my past studies while a member
3. I know the people elect the people in control, but since the people elected are LDS and follow LDS beliefs, that shows that there mindsets are that of the church thus they dont have the concerns and wants of ALL the population in mind when they make there decisions. Sorry folks, not every law made is voted on by the majority. They control that vast majority of the seats, and there by control the vast majority of the laws of our beautiful state. I love Utah but its time for them to come into this century. They are only what 55-58% of the state and dropping yearly? One day it will change.
2. Never heard they were brothers of have read it in my past studies while a member
3. I know the people elect the people in control, but since the people elected are LDS and follow LDS beliefs, that shows that there mindsets are that of the church thus they dont have the concerns and wants of ALL the population in mind when they make there decisions. Sorry folks, not every law made is voted on by the majority. They control that vast majority of the seats, and there by control the vast majority of the laws of our beautiful state. I love Utah but its time for them to come into this century. They are only what 55-58% of the state and dropping yearly? One day it will change.
bergstro | 10:00 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Traditional, orthodox "Christians" are the most ignorant block of
voters in the history of the United States.
To Todd from Shawn | 10:01 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
You have got to be joking! You are saying that you will vote for another party
if Huckabee gets the nomination? What's wrong with voting 3rd party or
writing someone in?
To Mr. Ed | 10:06 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
It doesnt matter what they say nothing will ever be good enough. They could
explain until they are blue in the face but people like you have already made up
your mind and it would not make a bit of difference. Maybe they are explaining
it and you are just not listening to what they have to say! But you know what?
What ever, I have a huge problem with how these Baptist evangelist are
presenting themselves and what they say wont make a bit of difference to me
either because they are completely intolerant and unfortunately you probably
could never change my mind about that.
Re: Mr. Ed | 10:06 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Umm . . . how exactly is the response given by the church spokesperson
gibberish? Because it doesn't jive with your ignorant opinion of what
church members believe, or because you didn't understand it? Because if
it's the first, then get over yourself. If it's the second, read it a
few more times and it will make sense, it did to me.
Sean | 10:07 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
To Slcman.
Are you pretending to not have understood my post, or did you really just not understand it?
I never said that specific religion should be taught in school. Additionally, you know as well as I do that the big bang theory and other BELIEF systems are taught all across the country in such a way as to suggest their is no God or higher power. Everyone knows this is the case. It isn't even debatable.
Then, when those who do BELIEVE in a God or higher power suggest that an alternative be taught IN ADDITION TO what is currently being taught, they are shouted down by the vocal minority. This is a big deal. You know it, I know it, and so does everybody else.
So, my original point still stands. Huckabee was attacking Mitt's religion. Mitt was positioning himself politically--and rightfully so.
Are you pretending to not have understood my post, or did you really just not understand it?
I never said that specific religion should be taught in school. Additionally, you know as well as I do that the big bang theory and other BELIEF systems are taught all across the country in such a way as to suggest their is no God or higher power. Everyone knows this is the case. It isn't even debatable.
Then, when those who do BELIEVE in a God or higher power suggest that an alternative be taught IN ADDITION TO what is currently being taught, they are shouted down by the vocal minority. This is a big deal. You know it, I know it, and so does everybody else.
So, my original point still stands. Huckabee was attacking Mitt's religion. Mitt was positioning himself politically--and rightfully so.
Me | 10:07 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
What is wrong with people who have to add their "2 bits" after the
fire has settled down? Huckabee is way bhind and a dollar short, and if he is
using the smear tactics to get himself ahead - so be it. He thinks he is smart?
A degree in Religion? A learning from one who speaks with Diety is worth more
than someone's opinion and
2wheels | 10:08 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
There is no law stating verbatim "seperation of church and state".
There is, however, a clear understanding of what was intended in the very first
amendment;
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
There was never an intent to remove God or religion from the government, but to say that no one person or group of leaders could say that any one religion is the only one to be practiced by the people of the nation.
Furthermore, you would have to be quite ignorant to even think that a persons beliefs are not going to in some way give him direction and a certain perspective on life. Each of us will make choices in our life based on our core belief system. The great thing that we have in place is that no matter what belief system any leader of our nation has, we can rest assured that they will in no way be able to say that you cannot worship or believe as you choose; be you a Democrat, Republican, LDS, Evangelical, Protestant or Muslim. Stop the divided yourselfs into little groups and instead unite for the common good.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
There was never an intent to remove God or religion from the government, but to say that no one person or group of leaders could say that any one religion is the only one to be practiced by the people of the nation.
Furthermore, you would have to be quite ignorant to even think that a persons beliefs are not going to in some way give him direction and a certain perspective on life. Each of us will make choices in our life based on our core belief system. The great thing that we have in place is that no matter what belief system any leader of our nation has, we can rest assured that they will in no way be able to say that you cannot worship or believe as you choose; be you a Democrat, Republican, LDS, Evangelical, Protestant or Muslim. Stop the divided yourselfs into little groups and instead unite for the common good.
Bearstar2012 | 10:14 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
You want honesty? Really? Well answers are readily available to those who want
them. Are Jesus and Satan brothers? Mormons believe that God is the father of
all. He is Jesus father and he is the father of the Universe. All spirit
exists because God created it. He created all man kind and all spirits. He
created the spirit of Lucifer who fell as an angel and became Satan (read your
bible its all in there.) In that sense, yes they are brothers as we are
brothers with Christ. Above this, though, Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is
the only begotten Son of the Father in the flesh. I think that is pretty clear
and is what the church spokesman said.
John | 10:14 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Well the question for those who want to know about "brothers" would
be, where DID satan come from? Christians believe that God created all things,
everything, and that nothing exists, which He did not create.
Somehow, Christians need to answer this question, since they love to badger the LDS people, who have an explanation, be it right or wrong, while they have nothing to say on the subject, and some of them even state that satan doesn't really exist.
So.....? If God created ALL things, it stands to reason that He created lucifer. As for "brothers" you can parse words, spin it, and make up your own definitions, much as people do with the word "christians" but in the end, Jesus was created by God, and so was satan.
Let's ask Hillary. She can often be seen coming out of a church, or maybe Obama can set the record straight. Ask huklebee where satan came from.
Why is Mitt the only one who gets the religious issues? Is it because the rest are totally clueless, and everyone knows it?
Somehow, Christians need to answer this question, since they love to badger the LDS people, who have an explanation, be it right or wrong, while they have nothing to say on the subject, and some of them even state that satan doesn't really exist.
So.....? If God created ALL things, it stands to reason that He created lucifer. As for "brothers" you can parse words, spin it, and make up your own definitions, much as people do with the word "christians" but in the end, Jesus was created by God, and so was satan.
Let's ask Hillary. She can often be seen coming out of a church, or maybe Obama can set the record straight. Ask huklebee where satan came from.
Why is Mitt the only one who gets the religious issues? Is it because the rest are totally clueless, and everyone knows it?
NachoGrande | 10:17 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Huckabee has revised the old TV sitcom gag line where the character says,
"the person shall remain anonymous, Jimmy..." Then he says that he
�doesn�t know much about the Mormon
religion� even though he came to the Southern Baptist
convention in Salt Lake City a few years ago that was designed to convert the
heathen Mormons in Utah. I also like how he cryptically says about
Romney�s faith that �He says he
believes in Jesus Christ so I�ll take him at his
word�.
I just want to know if Huckabee does win the White House if he will be registered at Bed Bath and Beyond or Target because apparently he and his wife really like house warming�errrr� wedding gifts. (look it up)
I just want to know if Huckabee does win the White House if he will be registered at Bed Bath and Beyond or Target because apparently he and his wife really like house warming�errrr� wedding gifts. (look it up)
Nancy | 10:19 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Huckabee is a day late and a dollar short on his great degree of preaching.
Some people will do anything to get a prideful position - in what ever -
He is riding on other's shirt tails and not very honorably at that. I prefer one who is honorable & who has knowledge in doing a great job of business for our great nation. It is not religion that rules this great country - it is the integrity of the leaders, and their great abilities. Had we some good intelligent leaders - not womenizers - this war in Iraq probably would not have dared happen.
So go for it Mitt - you have all the good qualifi- cations for an excellant President.
He is riding on other's shirt tails and not very honorably at that. I prefer one who is honorable & who has knowledge in doing a great job of business for our great nation. It is not religion that rules this great country - it is the integrity of the leaders, and their great abilities. Had we some good intelligent leaders - not womenizers - this war in Iraq probably would not have dared happen.
So go for it Mitt - you have all the good qualifi- cations for an excellant President.
True enough | 10:21 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
Mitt has never had a hand in making Utah laws, but his Church has. You want
examples? Remember the "little bit of Paris" in downtown SLC? It
became a "little bit of Temple" complete with guards. How about local
city governments banning after-school activities on Monday's to make room
for Family Home evening? And now they want to put all the liquor bottles in
restaurants behind a curtain so not to offend mormons. Excuse me, I am
offended.
I appologize if this is a double post, but I waited 20 minutes & it wasn't shown.
I appologize if this is a double post, but I waited 20 minutes & it wasn't shown.
BW | 10:22 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007
This is rich. Romney is offended and outraged that someone would attack his
religion but is perfectly comfortable attacking those who choose to live without
religion. Hypocrite!
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- 2 citations issued at Y.-U. game
- BYU says Hall incident resolved
- Max Hall: a fixture in rivalry lore
- 'Grandfamilies' a growing trend
- Witness: Mitchell wanted attention
- Mitchell called intelligent, controlling
- MWC '09 season in review
- Jazz win 6th in 7 games
- Jazz ready to be without Harpring
- Daughter: Mitchell fed me my pet
- Hall mouths off about hate of Utah
901 - Cougars beat Utes in overtime482
- Hall reprimanded by MWC401
- Max Hall issues apology387
- Hall's pain reflects self-betrayal343
- Utes won't respond to Hall273
- BYU says Hall incident resolved227
- 2 citations issued at Y.-U. game153
- BYU is champion of the state142
- Religion in politics is tiresome128
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This sort of infighting will go on forever and taking the spotlight for more important problems that must be solved and must be solved soon.