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That's nice... might get him elected the head of a congregation of Baptists... but what has it to do with the issues?
Mike Huckabee--conservative republican; Lawrence O'Donnell--liberal democrat-->Both IGNORANT jerks!
Too bad that people are either so simple-minded, that they grasp a random piece of mormon doctrine, throw it out there, and are never able to first include it in any kind of context. Maybe they should do some studying first, and actually try to understand church teachings before they try to comment on it. This is akin to ripping on any church's doctrine without first trying to understand it.
Huckabee's "awe shucks", "I'm a baptist" campaing will lose! I sure hope no Mormons vote for him if he is the Republican candidate.
O'Donnell's study seems limited to anti-mormon websites. What a jerk!!! Get off your agenda, O'Donell.
I am a Mormon, and I don't go around ripping on Baptists, Agnostics, Atheists, Catholics, whatever....
I don't mind discussing DOCTRINES with people of other faiths, but I don't like ripping on other churches, and I don't think it is appropriate for presidential candidates to comment on the doctrine of other faiths.
O'Donnell might have gotten his information off anti-Mormon website, but isn't it the truth?
Romney's line about tolerance being a shallow concept if we only tolerate those with whom we agree is applicable here. I'm sure O'Donnell thinks he is a progressive of the most principled sort: most accepting of alternative lifestyles and diversity... but what kind of intolerant bigotry is this! It's very upsetting to hear that from a self-professed liberal. I am tired of intolerant, judgmental people calling other people intolerant and judgmental. I am not a Romney fan, but I like his line about tolerance.
I wish Romney's people or some of you media types with some influence would set the record straight. Mormons are some of the least racist people around and have been since the beginning. Joseph Smith was never pro-slavery, thats an outright lie. The early saints were mainly northerners who were against slavery. Joseph even ordained a few African American Men to the priesthood. And Black people have always been able to be baptised and welcomed in the church. The Priesthood issue is a story for another time, but keep in mind that God didn't give the Priesthood to all the Israelites in the Old testiment, only Aaron and the Levites, was he racists?
I have to say I am not surprised by Huckabee starting to use the Mormon-card to further his campaign, now that he is gaining some press. You can never trust the religious right and Romney should have learned that by now.
At the same time, I have to say O'Donnell's comments are about as inappropriate and uncalled for and unbecoming of a true Democrat as I have heard in a long time. Taking shots generally at a whole religion along with individuals is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting. He is practicing exactly what he is preaching against and it demonstrates that he has actually done very little research on the topic, aside from the tabloids and perhaps a few Hollywood friends of his. What a loser.
Why do people write things about others and their beliefs when they have no idea what they are talking about? A little research on Mormonism would eliminate a lot of questions and hatered.
Baptists believe all forms of dance will send you to hell! Muslims believe that you either join them or die according to Mohammed! Go Obama! Catholics believe you can do whatever the heck you want as long as you go and talk to a Priest behind a cage and confess to him your sins then all is well. Then you can do this all over again! Evangelicals believe that God places words in your mouth and then you can speak in tongues while rolling around on the floor and no one knows what the heck you are saying! Right! Church of Christ believes if you have a bus in the parking lot you are a liberal church and going to hell!
Sounds ignorant but same goes for all of the tidbits people are grabbing and throwing at Romney as if that is what the Mormon Church believes.
This can be said for all religions if you are a bigot! If you want to know what a church believes it is best to study their doctrine rather than their anti doctrine written by other churches.
Shame of the bigots!
Can't help but wonder what Mitt's, or any other candidate's, religion has to do with their ability to be a good president. We need a person with good morale standards as President. Mitt meets that qualification. I believe he is also a good businessman, and a good leader. The fact that he is active in the Church adds to his morale strength, but it isn't the only thing that should be considered. I wish the evangelicals and Southern Baptists, and whoever else, would either do some UNBIASED studying, or simply be quiet when it comes to Mitt's religion. Their ignorance is showing. Is Mitt qualified to be President or not? Not, "Is Mitt qualified to be the first Mormon President?" And please, polygamy was banned over 100 years ago! Get over it already! Jeffs isn't a Mormon. We believe in Christ, we are Christians. Our perceptions are different, but we have the same goals. Yes, Christ and Satan are brothers in the spirit, but Satan chose a different path. Again, what does that have to do with a Presidential election? I suggest everyone should focus on the relevant issues, not differing religious beliefs, and move forward. Play a different note!
When did Mike Huckabee permit a Black to
join his congregation and what percentage of his congregation was Black when he retired?
I'm glad to see explicitly what all these pundits and candidates have meant all along about Mitt explaining the "relationship to his faith". It means that these people all hate Mormons and want to know if Mitt really associates himself with the LDS church.
It's great to get all this stuff on the table. The Baptist church and so many others are so completely full of hatred and lies about the LDS faith that it borders on HATE CRIME.
If Mitt has to come out on all LDS doctrine, then I want to see it on a national panel where ALL the candidates air their religious views and affiliations.
Anonymous | 1:40 a.m. Dec. 12, 2007, I don't understand your line, "Muslims believe that you either join them or die according to Mohammed! Go Obama!"
Obama is a Christian. Apparently you have bought the Rush Limbaugh Obama-Osama-Obama-Osama line and have become confused, just as Rush wanted. Make no mistake, Obama is Christian, but the Republicans want you to believe otherwise in an attempt to use religious bigotry to their advantage.
Huckleberry knows quite well all of the nuances of LDS doctrine and will be pinching off sly questions like this regularly. Baptists evangelists are preoccupied with what they see as the "evil" LDS doctrines but rarely bother to study them in a whole hearted way. Any human sincerely seeking Jesus can receive a testimony of the Restoration, but all this man wishes to do is tear down. I could do the same but to what end?
Gee, people in Utah are upset that Baptist beliefs are being espoused by the rising star of the GOP?
Think about it, Utah is about the only state that where over 50% still approves of the job Bush is doing. There are only 6-8 million members of the LDS church in the US and many of those are kids that cant vote.
Huckabee knows that he can criticize the Mormon faith and alienate the Mormons without losing much nationally.
Besides, he knows that when Utahn's get it the voting both, most would vote for an anti-Mormon Baptist preacher that is Republican that vote for a Democrat (Even though it IS possible to be a Mormon and a Democrat).
This is the calculus that Huckabee is using, he knows that Utah would vote for him over any Democrat even if he calls you all cultist. I wish I was wrong on this, but one must ask would you vote for Obama over Huckabee?
Who DIDN'T see this coming? The exceedingly upright, looking-out-for-the-common-man national media, which apparently are the arbiters of all that is good, true and important in national politics, has been pushing Mitt to make "The Mormon Speech" in order to finally move "The Mormon Question" off the table. By having now made the speech, Romney has opened the door to exactly this kind of silliness. Rather than continuing to take the principled stand that "The church I belong to will not affect or influence the way I would govern as President, please move along to the next question," Mitt has pretty much made his religion an issue relevant to the campaign with the speech. Now that it is on the table, anyone with a crackpot notion can put it out there and attack him and the church. This hurts Romney's campaign. I believe the media is on the Huckabee bandwagon these days because of their cynical belief that the American electorate will not elect a religious nutjob--which Huckabee is now beginning to look like. Mitt, on the other hand, is a serious, religious guy who would make a great President--and that scares the great and powerful media.
A canidates relogion should have NOTHING what so ever to do with wether they will be a good President or not. The canidates should ALL focus on the issues and not on each others religious beliefs. I happen to be a Mormon, but I will not vote for Mitt Romney as he is a Republican and I am a Democrat. That is the ONLY reason I will not vote for him. I do agree that before someone comments on someone's religion that they should do at least a little research first!!
Dear "Thank you Hickabee"
Let's discuss that DOCTRINE of the LDS church. Specifically, the doctrine of institutionalized racism.
The basis for institutionalized racisim of the Mormon Church comes from the Pearl of Great Price and various revalations/quotations by Mormon leaders in official church publications, which are considered scripture. (And yes, justification for some of it is drawn from Biblical passages too. Christianity and the bible are not perfect or immune from such critism.)
The Mormon Church did not permit black people to participate in the uber secret (supposedly essential "saving ordinences") of the temple, denied black people to ability obtain the Mormon priesthood, and denied black people positions of leadership--until the late 1970s! The church practiced this on doctrinal grounds, believing that god specifically did not want black people to have the same rights as non-black Mormons.
I find it very revealing that on the issue of racial equality, the Mormon church was way behind the times. And I find it very sad that many Mormons are unable to come to grips with the fact that their religion practiced instututionalized racism. But I am not surprised this is happening in the "I'm not sure we teach that" era.
O' Donnell doesn't know what he's talking about. The blacks and the priesthood didn't start until Brigham Young. People always focus on what is bad instead of what is good. I was really liking Huckabee until this. HOwever, it will probably gain him support in certain arenas. I am suprised that he doesn't know that much about mormons though.
As a practicing Mormon and a life long Democrat I must say I am stunned, shocked and disgusted by the comments of Lawrence O'Donnell. For some time I have seen him as a voice of reason on the otherwise rediculously right slanted "McGlaughlin Group" but that ends today. I will be spending some of my day tracking his contact information and expressing my disgust to him personally.
As for Huckabee and the religious right - is this surprising behavior to anyone?
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