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Romney's speech on faith earns high marks from Utah Latter-day Saints
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Emmaline | 11:32 a.m. Dec. 6, 2007
While Huckabee proclaims he is the "Christian candidate" --
aren't they all Christian candidates?
Well, Duh! | 11:47 a.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Of course it got high marks from LDS people! That was without question. However,
I think he did a good enough job to get some high marks from Non-LDS folks. I
don't know if he changed anyone's mind, or if he'll even get past
Iowa, but it was a great speech.
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anonymous | 11:59 a.m. Dec. 6, 2007
USE YOUR SPELL CHECK!
?? | 12:12 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
what does obama's religion have to do with romney's speech?
btw- do a few seconds of research & you'll find out he is a Christian.
btw- do a few seconds of research & you'll find out he is a Christian.
Ken | 12:13 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
To claim on one hand that he will exersize tolerance... while on the other he
infers that he will apply his religous based "values" in his decision
making and public policy is simply inconsistent. Apply his position on
abortion, gay marriage, respect to those who dont practice religion and he comes
up a hypicrite every time.
Mitt,you are either open minded or you are not. Either you respect and tolerate me, or you dont. You cant have it both ways.
Mitt,you are either open minded or you are not. Either you respect and tolerate me, or you dont. You cant have it both ways.
Over The Fence! | 12:22 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Mitt did an absolutely SUPERB job today! I will admit that as an active member
of the LDS church I initially wanted Romney to talk more specifically about the
basic doctrines of the Church. He didn't do that like one would expect,
ala "missionary style", or like one sitting in on a missionary
discussion, except in one specific area; the most important area!......that of
his CLEAR statement that he is indeed, without a doubt, a CHRISTIAN and that by
default, the LDS church is a CHRISTIAN religion. Way to go Mitt!
I have come to the conclusion after reading numerous, numerous "anti" comments on the web against the Church that those who truly hate Romney and what he stands for are simply choosing to stay ignorant. Those who are simply deceived by the lies of men but who WANT to learn about Mitt's religious beliefs have to look no further than the Church's website for info or ask the LDS member who lives down the street from them. But those who are truly hateful simply choose to stay in the dark. As for me, I like the light. Go Mitt!!!
I have come to the conclusion after reading numerous, numerous "anti" comments on the web against the Church that those who truly hate Romney and what he stands for are simply choosing to stay ignorant. Those who are simply deceived by the lies of men but who WANT to learn about Mitt's religious beliefs have to look no further than the Church's website for info or ask the LDS member who lives down the street from them. But those who are truly hateful simply choose to stay in the dark. As for me, I like the light. Go Mitt!!!
Steve | 12:35 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Missy, Obama's and Romney's religion are the same. They're both
Christian. As Emmaline here pointed out, as far as I know every candidate
running right now is a Christian.
I think Romney gave a great speech this morning. Very well done.
I think Romney gave a great speech this morning. Very well done.
meri | 12:35 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
To Ken: Are you somehow under the impression that a tolerant, open-minded
person never has an opinion? Of course he can and does! He listens to opposing
views and weighs them before reaching conclusions. A person who is so open
minded that he has no opinions would make a very poor president. He would never
be able to take a stand on anything. Ultimately, the president will be required
to take a stand on many, many things. And no matter what stand he takes on
anything, there will be a lot of people upset; some of them will even accuse him
of being close minded and intolerant, simply because his opinion is different
than theirs!
LVLV | 12:51 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
So, Ken--are you open-minded? Do you respect Romney? I suspect there are a great
many things in this world that you do not tolerate. That does not make you a
hypocrite.
He's No JFK | 12:55 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
The only thing superb is that Mitt Romney comes across better than Orrin
Hatch.
But that's about it.
You people are in love with yourselves.
But that's about it.
You people are in love with yourselves.
Question for "Ken" | 1:05 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Ken, your post seems to imply that you don't understand what is meant by
tolerance. One's leanings politically have nothing to do with tolerance.
If that were the case, we could conclude that the liberal candidates and
intolerant of traditional family and christianity, due to their efforts to foist
certain viewpoints upon society as a whole via legislation or court decision.
One can tolerate, and even protect, certain elements of society without having
to accept that it is the societal norm, or that it represents the opinion or
will of the general populace. When the candidates express their personal
leanings, that gives the populace the opportunity to decide if they feel a
candidate will represent their individual leanings. Apparently Romney will not
represent your personal leanings, but he certainly does not seem intolerant of
portions of our society. Seems he will represent a moderately conservative
agenda, but he cannot "rule" this country according to HIS agenda. I
have not heard him propose legislation contrary to that which would represent
the views of possibly a majority of the general populace.
Jon | 1:14 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
People who sling the close-minded accusation are often unaware of the fact that
they are just as close-minded as the person to whom they've directed the
accusation. Mitt may be close-minded to the possibility that Ken's
viewpoint is correct, but we have proof a few posts above that Ken is most
certainly close-minded to the possibility that Mitt is right, and that, paired
with his righteous anger make Ken a hypocrite! Ta-duh!
too much rhetoric | 1:19 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Sorry "Question for Ken" but when a posting goes on and on like yours,
I lose interest. It's like filling in 3 straight hours in church each
Sunday.
Less is more, dude!
Less is more, dude!
High School English Teacher | 1:29 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
check your typos in the last paragraph.
metamora coug | 1:32 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
To Ken,
Because romney says he will use his values in the decisions he makes does not imply he is intolerant. Here is my personal example. I have a son who is living with his girlfriend. I love them both dearly. I enjoy their company and regularly visit with them on the phone, at their apartment, at restaurants, and in my home. But I will not allow them to sleep together over night under my roof. I have discussed openly and civilly with them their situation. They understand my feelings as I understand their's. We are all willing to tolerate the situation and we understand the limits that it imposes because of my beliefs.
Which brings us back to Mitt Romney. Will he tolerate abortion, gay rights, secularism, agnosticism? Certainly. But just like the rest of us governing in our own little realms, the decisions he makes are based on his personal convictions. Such action is not hypocrisy.
Because romney says he will use his values in the decisions he makes does not imply he is intolerant. Here is my personal example. I have a son who is living with his girlfriend. I love them both dearly. I enjoy their company and regularly visit with them on the phone, at their apartment, at restaurants, and in my home. But I will not allow them to sleep together over night under my roof. I have discussed openly and civilly with them their situation. They understand my feelings as I understand their's. We are all willing to tolerate the situation and we understand the limits that it imposes because of my beliefs.
Which brings us back to Mitt Romney. Will he tolerate abortion, gay rights, secularism, agnosticism? Certainly. But just like the rest of us governing in our own little realms, the decisions he makes are based on his personal convictions. Such action is not hypocrisy.
When Mitt walks the walk . . . | 1:44 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
. . . instead of just talking the talk, I'll believe him. So far, all
I've heard is the expounding of just another sleezy politician. I
wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.
BTW I'm a Utah-residing Latter-day Saint. I was here when, following the 2002 Olympics, Mitt fell all overhimself to establish himself as a Utah resident so he could run for office here. THEN, when he decided he'd rather run for office in Massachusetts, he fell all over himself again to undo his "residency" and establish himself as a temporary visitor in Utah. The lies he told and the shenanigans he pulled to undo his residency were amazing. Right then I decided (1) that he had no honor and (2) that he did not deserve anybody's vote for anything. Nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.
Just one more sleezy politican among a bunch of them.
BTW I'm a Utah-residing Latter-day Saint. I was here when, following the 2002 Olympics, Mitt fell all overhimself to establish himself as a Utah resident so he could run for office here. THEN, when he decided he'd rather run for office in Massachusetts, he fell all over himself again to undo his "residency" and establish himself as a temporary visitor in Utah. The lies he told and the shenanigans he pulled to undo his residency were amazing. Right then I decided (1) that he had no honor and (2) that he did not deserve anybody's vote for anything. Nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.
Just one more sleezy politican among a bunch of them.
elviejo | 1:50 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
To He' No JFK: You are correct, he is no JFK. Thank the good Lord for that.
Ya, we love ourselves, and that makes it possible to love you also
Dan | 1:53 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
It was an inpsiring address.
Vegas Ed | 1:57 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Mitt rocked this morning. He sounded like a president, and that's more
than any other candidate on either side. Hilary tries so hard to sound
presidential, but she has such a negative feeling about her I hope she's
the candidate against Mitt.
self-worship | 2:08 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
No elviejo,
Nice slam against one of the best presidents we've ever had, but Romney would be just an extra in the crowd around JFK.
And by the way, there is a monumental difference between loving yourselves and being IN LOVE with yourselves.
Nice slam against one of the best presidents we've ever had, but Romney would be just an extra in the crowd around JFK.
And by the way, there is a monumental difference between loving yourselves and being IN LOVE with yourselves.
Steve | 3:00 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Vegas Ed, nah... I hope Obama is the candidate against Mitt. Why? Because if
Mitt loses then we get a decent person as President, we don't want Hillary
now do we? Well at least I don't.
jackhp | 3:01 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Thorougly bland, uninspiring, generic, sterile . . . one might even say
"plastic".
Mitt did his job. He pandered hard to the right-wing, Christianist core of the GOP; good luck on it doing any good at all.
Mitt did his job. He pandered hard to the right-wing, Christianist core of the GOP; good luck on it doing any good at all.
Excellent | 3:30 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
"Symphony of Faith" I agree. What and enlightning and incredibly
historic speech. With that cleared up, I want Mitt to be the next President.
Commenter | 3:52 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
elviejo,
JFK may have been one of the youngest and better looking but one of the best? Besides getting us involved in Viet Nam and giving away billions in foreign aid, what makes him one of our best?
JFK may have been one of the youngest and better looking but one of the best? Besides getting us involved in Viet Nam and giving away billions in foreign aid, what makes him one of our best?
Iowan In Utah | 3:58 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Romney better worry about getting the nomination first and maybe then he can
worry about Clinton. The latest poll showed Americans were more likely to vote
for a woman or a black man than a Mormon. I think Romney has a lot to offer and
still has a shot at the nomination. However, I believe Rudy is the only
republican who can go head to head with Clinton and win.
you're kidding, right? | 3:58 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
One of our best presidents? Well if you overlook his foreign policy blunders
like Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, his endless affairs, they way he and his brother
Bobby violated the law while in office with wiretaps and intimidation of thier
political enemies, the way his political career was supported by his
father's money and connections and instead believe all the mythological
Camelot crap then I guess you could say he was pretty much one of the best.
Yeah. Mitt is definitely not in his class.
dmk | 4:02 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
With the GOP imploding and nowhere else to go but up, Romney is banking on a
Public Relations coup with "Our Party is the Lord's party"
theme.
We'll be seeing soon just how stupid the American public really is.
We'll be seeing soon just how stupid the American public really is.
Mike | 4:13 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
This title would also be just as obvious:
Hunter's speech on hunting rights earn him high marks with hunters.
Hunter's speech on hunting rights earn him high marks with hunters.
To Jackhp | 4:22 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
You watch, he will take off in the polls.
uggggggg | 4:31 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Reading these posts and the ignorance and hypocrisies that people perpetuate
just to start an argument or because they are actually ignorant hypocrites makes
me hate myself for wasting my time reading it. Why do I continue reading this
garbage? WHY?!?!?!?!?!?
Anonymous | 4:49 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Your "I hate Catholics" is showing "you're kidding."
What you are kidding (yourself) is thinking this flip-flopper has a chance to be get the nod as the GOP nominee.
My guess it will be thrice-married Catholic Guiliani. He's a straight-shooter.
I can't wait to the next Republican debate.
It should be a hoot!
What you are kidding (yourself) is thinking this flip-flopper has a chance to be get the nod as the GOP nominee.
My guess it will be thrice-married Catholic Guiliani. He's a straight-shooter.
I can't wait to the next Republican debate.
It should be a hoot!
all should follow | 4:49 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
this good man and not jam it down our throats like oats.
So Basically | 4:50 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
#1 "Jesus is really important to me."
#2 "Now stop asking about how important Jesus is to me."
#2 "Now stop asking about how important Jesus is to me."
How Ironic... | 5:01 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
The LDS D-News, in an act of tragic irony, has refused my post of their own
scripture, 1 Nephi 14:10. In the context of the BOM's assertion that all
else but the one true church are whores and abominations, this illustrates why
Mitt will never be POTUS or be able to answer real doctrinal questions.
Tai from Barstow | 5:01 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
No candidate should be rejected because of his faith.
Likewise, no candidate should be elected because of his faith.
As one individual Mormon, I would never vote for Mitt Romney as a conviction of my faith.
Mitt Romney represents the fringe liberals trying to hijack the Republican Party. John McCain tried to steer the party in 2000, similiar to how Goerge Romney tried to corrupt the party away from Goldwater and Nixon. Lenore Romney was no better.
I believe big goverment is is a reflection of socialism, and has no place in the greatest nation on earth.
Mitt Romney may be welcome in Boston, but not the Party of Reagan.
Likewise, no candidate should be elected because of his faith.
As one individual Mormon, I would never vote for Mitt Romney as a conviction of my faith.
Mitt Romney represents the fringe liberals trying to hijack the Republican Party. John McCain tried to steer the party in 2000, similiar to how Goerge Romney tried to corrupt the party away from Goldwater and Nixon. Lenore Romney was no better.
I believe big goverment is is a reflection of socialism, and has no place in the greatest nation on earth.
Mitt Romney may be welcome in Boston, but not the Party of Reagan.
Anonymous | 5:06 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
And speaking of polls ... Romney's numbers in Utah should increase.
So what?
He should be running on an independent ticket. Everyone in the GOP is distancing themselves from the current administration and everybody knows it.
But Romney's got tons of $$$ to make his move.
While the rest of us are trying to keep up with the economy.
So what?
He should be running on an independent ticket. Everyone in the GOP is distancing themselves from the current administration and everybody knows it.
But Romney's got tons of $$$ to make his move.
While the rest of us are trying to keep up with the economy.
DMN moderator | 5:09 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Dear posters:
Please keep your comments on topic. In this case the topic is a speech. Many posts are dangerously close to being completely off-topic and probably some that have been posted have crossed the line. Thanks for your participation and keep your hands and feet inside the comments at all times.
Please keep your comments on topic. In this case the topic is a speech. Many posts are dangerously close to being completely off-topic and probably some that have been posted have crossed the line. Thanks for your participation and keep your hands and feet inside the comments at all times.
Mick | 5:18 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Are LDS willing to vote for a qualified atheist for president of the United
States? Is belief in God a litmus test for LDS voters?
I think Romney's speech | 5:20 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Was very good and I compliment him on it. But I don't think we will have
another Republican president at this time nor do I agree with all of the issues
Romney stands for. This doesn't (and shouldn't) have anything to do
with religion.
Bill Loney | 6:42 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
The man is a politician - doesn't anyone remember that? He looks good, he
speaks well, but the words coming out of his mouth are just words. They
don't mean any more to him than if he were reading the menu at a
restaurant. He's a slick, self-serving politician. A plastic person. He and
Jon Huntsman Jr. came out of the same mold.
Anonymous | 6:44 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Mitt would receive high marks in LDS circles if Mitt sounded like the buffoon he
is. If you saw how Mitt reinforces the view that Mormons will lie to get ahead.
Rich | 8:26 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
To Bill - the words coming out of his mouth may be just words to you but his
smile and sunny disposition reveals that his heart is at home.
Cindy in CA | 9:19 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
Mitt's speech was right on target. There was a good feeling and that came
across in his speech for the love of people and America.
He was right to direct his speech to the reason this country is free.
If you all heard the speech and really listened, you will know exactly what that means.
People are too critical of a persons opinions and beliefs. They need to discuss the real reasons a president seeks office and it shouldn't be his/her religious preference.
He was right to direct his speech to the reason this country is free.
If you all heard the speech and really listened, you will know exactly what that means.
People are too critical of a persons opinions and beliefs. They need to discuss the real reasons a president seeks office and it shouldn't be his/her religious preference.
Lenn | 11:07 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
We are not in love with ourselvs. fond perhaps, but not in love!
Susan in AZ | 11:38 p.m. Dec. 6, 2007
George Romney was our governor when I was growing up in Michigan. I do not
recall his faith being made into such a big deal back then (until he ran for
President). I did not grow up in the church and was not even aware of what
religion Governor Romney was. He was an excellent governor and well respected.
It is sad that someone well qualified to run for office should have to defend
their faith in this day and age. Mitt Romney's speech was excellent and he
showed a lot of class in what he chose to focus on. He took the higher road
rather than try to get into doctrinal things and play into the hands of those
that would just debate everything he said. I agree that our country should be a
place of religious tolerance and respect for individual liberty as our founding
fathers intended.
Texan | 11:53 a.m. Dec. 7, 2007
The problem for me is that he has sworn an oath (covenant) in the Temple to use
"everything" for the Church , and yet he says that the Oath of Office
would be a higher oath than any other he has taken?
Higher than a covenant with God? Seems like he's just saying what he thinks America wants to hear.
Of course, the majority of America will not know about his "other" oath, and so the deception continues.
MR, just be honest about what you believe and quit trying to hide behind rhetoric...
Higher than a covenant with God? Seems like he's just saying what he thinks America wants to hear.
Of course, the majority of America will not know about his "other" oath, and so the deception continues.
MR, just be honest about what you believe and quit trying to hide behind rhetoric...
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rommneys and don't have a problem with it.
thanks