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Whats that? | 10:43 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Why does Dick say that about Tina being the head cheerleader?
MWC fan | 10:46 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
As a BYU fan, I am always excited to face a Pac-10 opponent. Besides,
redemption against any opponent is always sweet. Consequently, I am excited
that BYU will be playing UCLA again; this time at a different site, with a
different outcome. The matchup itself is good for BYU, that is why redemption
already scheduled in Provo next season was a good thing.
Nevertheless, a bowl game against a 6-6 team is still not fitting of an MWC champ, regardless of that rematch angle, which will surely be exploited by the MWC. As an MWC fan, I am sorely disappointed. This game is a loss for the MWC, regardless of the outcome. The nation doesn't respect a 6-6 opponent, discounting the strength of UCLA's opposition. The nation will not then respect the MWC, its current or future champs, win or lose, in this game.
As far as BYU earning respect. Its program has already earned more national respect than any other in the MWC. It could get better bowl opponents and TV contracts on its own. And as the MWC champ, their bowl record is actually 1-1, demolishing Oregon and losing close to Louisville, w/o Luke Staley.
Nevertheless, a bowl game against a 6-6 team is still not fitting of an MWC champ, regardless of that rematch angle, which will surely be exploited by the MWC. As an MWC fan, I am sorely disappointed. This game is a loss for the MWC, regardless of the outcome. The nation doesn't respect a 6-6 opponent, discounting the strength of UCLA's opposition. The nation will not then respect the MWC, its current or future champs, win or lose, in this game.
As far as BYU earning respect. Its program has already earned more national respect than any other in the MWC. It could get better bowl opponents and TV contracts on its own. And as the MWC champ, their bowl record is actually 1-1, demolishing Oregon and losing close to Louisville, w/o Luke Staley.
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Easy Ute Fans...... | 10:49 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I don't see any Cougar fans whining about UCLA because they are
"inferior", they are upset because its the same opponent they will
play a total of 3 times before next year is out. Same old, same old...
There's no lack of respect for our PAC-10 opponent here, just a desire to play someone new, a team that brings a different look and style of play to the field than what we've seen.
So before you Ute fans blow any further "bulletin board" material down I-15, understand that Bronco isn't buying into it. He knows UCLA is a solid team that has beaten his club already this season. BYU's coaches know the Cougs are a team that have to be 100% focused on UCLA's outstanding defense and ground game.
And as for you, Utefan, just you worry yourself about a Navy team that will run it down your throat. They'll be the home team and their rushing game is second to none. Go Navy! Go Cougs!
There's no lack of respect for our PAC-10 opponent here, just a desire to play someone new, a team that brings a different look and style of play to the field than what we've seen.
So before you Ute fans blow any further "bulletin board" material down I-15, understand that Bronco isn't buying into it. He knows UCLA is a solid team that has beaten his club already this season. BYU's coaches know the Cougs are a team that have to be 100% focused on UCLA's outstanding defense and ground game.
And as for you, Utefan, just you worry yourself about a Navy team that will run it down your throat. They'll be the home team and their rushing game is second to none. Go Navy! Go Cougs!
I agree | 10:56 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I agree that BYU fans (me included) need to realize that there are very good and
logical reasons why we are playing UCLA in Las Vegas this year. And we
understand that our bowl record is an atrocious 8-16. And we understand that
there is a contract that says our champ plays the #5 from the Pac-10. BUT, the
thing that gets us the most is that when we look at the teams who are ranked
behind us in the BCS rankings, and we see which bowls they got invited to
(Outback Bowl and Chick-fil-A Bowl) and the payouts they're getting, it
makes us a little bit upset.
What the....? | 10:58 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Let's stop the bleeding and the whining. In the pre-season the
"mighty" Horned Frogs were the only ranked MWC team, while the WAC had
two (Hawaii and Boise) and one or two on the heels (UNR and Fresno). The
question needs to be answered. Why isn't the MWC a premier league?
I wish that MWC Execs and other would stop being apologists for the current state of the MWC. The MWC needs national coverage. It is simply not getting it. As an example - A recent win over a ranked Louisville basketball teams surprised Dr. V and a battle with UNC surprised him even more. Why? Dr. V kept saying (say this with your best Dr. V voice) "Trent Plaisted is the best center you never heard of". He hasn't heard of him because he sits in New York and watches the ACC, the PAC-10 and others but forget the MWC (well OK I will watch Utah because you never know something may happen there if it is going to happen in the MWC).
Wake up MWC?
I wish that MWC Execs and other would stop being apologists for the current state of the MWC. The MWC needs national coverage. It is simply not getting it. As an example - A recent win over a ranked Louisville basketball teams surprised Dr. V and a battle with UNC surprised him even more. Why? Dr. V kept saying (say this with your best Dr. V voice) "Trent Plaisted is the best center you never heard of". He hasn't heard of him because he sits in New York and watches the ACC, the PAC-10 and others but forget the MWC (well OK I will watch Utah because you never know something may happen there if it is going to happen in the MWC).
Wake up MWC?
49er | 10:59 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
What has Navy got to do with the Las Vegas Bowl? Power ratings aside, the Bruins
still got whacked by 38 points at Rice Eccles Stadium.
Dismayed | 10:59 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I read both local papers today and what do I see. One has the Cougars saying
they need to have a weaker schedul so they can go to a BCS Bowl. This article
has all the Cougar fans crying because they have to play an inferior opponent. I
am confused EWU, Arizona, Tulsa,UCLA and the mighty MWC isn't weak enough
and you lost too two of those teams....one of which you are crying about playing
again......you Cougar fans need a reality check
tega | 11:13 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
When does the contract between the MWC and the Las Vegas bowl end? I think we
need to get ourselves out of this contract!!!
Come On | 11:24 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Okay...to claim that we are whining and to say that BYU fans are immature
wanting a better opponent is a pathetic argument. Seems like those taking that
stance have forgotten that we only lost to UCLA by a narrow margin IN THE ROSE
BOWL with a YOUNG-FIRST YEAR-SECOND GAME STARTED IN HOW MANY YEARS quarterback.
Now that being said, I am not complaining about playing UCLA, I am complaining
about that the mwc champion, whomever it is, has to play the middle of the pack
of the Pac-10. I would much rather see a match up of MWC champ versus WAC
champ. It only insults our conference with the matchup that Las Vegas bowl
provides. So lets focus on the real issue, not that BYU is playing UCLA again,
but that BYU [MWC Champion] is playing a .500 team. And the overall issue that
MWC Commissioner needs to be fired for his mishandling of Bowl affiliations and
TV deals.
ron | 11:26 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
can someone answer this question for me? Is it true that all the teams that are
playing other mwc teams this year are ranked higher than ucla in the usual
weekly polls. If this is so does that not slap in the face the byu team players,
they being the number one team in the mwc??
Big John | 11:27 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
According to Sagarin, Utah does NOT have the 2nd toughest strength of
schedule--that belongs to UCLA. Utah had the 55th toughest schedule.
Gripe, Gripe, Gripe... | 11:30 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Gripe and Moan and Gripe and Moan...That is all BYU fans know how to do. Get
over it and be glad you are in a bowl game. There are teams out there with
winning records that didn't get a bowl game because there weren't
enough to go around this year. This is why people don't like BYU is
because of the holier than though attitude and that somehow the fans feel they
are entitled! Gripe, Gripe, Gripe...GET OVER IT!
PAC-10 | 11:42 a.m. Dec. 4, 2007
GO BRUINS!!!!
BYU is vulnerable, they play in the MWC. What conference is that again?
BYU is vulnerable, they play in the MWC. What conference is that again?
The Y deserves what it gets | 12:04 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
along with the rest of the schools that left the original WAC where we had the
Holiday Bowl. They created a new WAC which sucked, so we went back to what is
really the old WAC.We lost the Holiday Bowl and everything else that was built
up over the years when we left. The Athletic directors and University presidents
involved should be fired for what they did. The Situation we are now in today is
because of their poor judgement. If we would have maintained the old WAC we
wouldn't be in the Vegas Bowl.
Open Letter | 12:05 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
We are extremely disappointed with our opponent in the Las Vegas Bowl. We
deserve a better opponent. We should not be forced to play a team a second time
that we have already proven to be superior to on the field.
Sincerely,
The UCLA Football Team
Sincerely,
The UCLA Football Team
CougTrainer | 12:07 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Yeah, we still have to remember that we haven't beet UCLA so I'm
lookin' forward to it. Dick loves Tina!
The Season's Over | 12:11 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The bowl games mean absolutely nothing but money. It's impossible to have
a #1 team with the current system. NCAA football is a joke, and we have the BCS
to thank for it.
Here's an idea: have a playoff system, and each of the bowls can be a game from the playoff bracket. Oops, did I just fix the problem?
Here's an idea: have a playoff system, and each of the bowls can be a game from the playoff bracket. Oops, did I just fix the problem?
Re Re Re Vegas Ed | 12:16 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The TV announcers said no such thing during the 1990 Holiday Bowl. I have a
tape of the game and have listened to it several times.
Dick | 12:20 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Isn't it interesting.
Three years ago, all MWC fans were in an uproar about our agreement with the Liberty Bowl in which we played a conference champion. It is too far to travel, we said. It is a bad destination, we said. Keep our champion close to home, we said.
So, the MWC obliged sending us to LV. In doing so, we knew full well the PAC10 was already committed to other bowls for their top teams so we'd have to play a middle of the road PAC10 team.
And, now we are outraged that we get a middle of the road PAC10 team.
I don't understand the outrage. Who do we think the MWC is as far as pecking order is concerned. Do we really think any bowl (or another conference) will sign up to an agreement pitting our champion against a top notch BCS opponent?
Three years ago, all MWC fans were in an uproar about our agreement with the Liberty Bowl in which we played a conference champion. It is too far to travel, we said. It is a bad destination, we said. Keep our champion close to home, we said.
So, the MWC obliged sending us to LV. In doing so, we knew full well the PAC10 was already committed to other bowls for their top teams so we'd have to play a middle of the road PAC10 team.
And, now we are outraged that we get a middle of the road PAC10 team.
I don't understand the outrage. Who do we think the MWC is as far as pecking order is concerned. Do we really think any bowl (or another conference) will sign up to an agreement pitting our champion against a top notch BCS opponent?
College Football Broken | 12:24 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The bottom line here is that college football is broken. The guys on ESPN
college gameday were saying the same thing. THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLAYOFF like
every other major sport. Until a playoff system is adopted, college football
will be broken. UCLA is a GREAT , BIG TIME school but that isn't the point
here. The point is BYU is 10-2 and should not be facing a 6-6 team. Period. The
way things stand right now, the ONLY BIG games that BYU plays are the two
pre-season games against (then ranked UCLA) and other future big schools such as
Alabama. The post season for BYU is a complete bust unless they go undefeated.
Other teams in the nation can go 9-3 or 8-4 and play in a BIGGER, higher paying
bowl on New Years day and that just isn't right. Boise beat Oklahoma a year
ago which put a BIG dark cloud over the "good ole boys" of college
football. No way do they want that to happen again so just keep Boise and BYU
and Hawaii under your foot.
Disagree | 12:26 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I disagree. The Cougars have plenty to complain about. While I as a fan am happy
they are going to a bowl, I think it is ridiculous that a handful of teams with
3 losses are ahead of the Cougars and in at least one poll a 4 loss team is
ahead of the Cougs. Where is the respect?
Viva Las Vegas | 12:26 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
There should be a clause in the Las Vegas Bowl contract with the Pac-10 that
they can send their 4/5 place team but they can't send their officials.
PAC-10 officials are a joke and the worst "homers" in the country (Just ask OKLAHOMA). They have a track record to prove it. Just leave them home and I'll welcome a re-match with UCLA.
PAC-10 officials are a joke and the worst "homers" in the country (Just ask OKLAHOMA). They have a track record to prove it. Just leave them home and I'll welcome a re-match with UCLA.
Disillusioned | 12:26 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Deseret News, please get rid of the comment section. Every time I try to read a
few of the comments on sports articles, I am dismayed by the consistent lack of
logic and class displayed by self proclaimed experts. It causes me to not even
want to read the sports section any longer.
I'm Sick | 12:28 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
and tired of BYU fans coming on here and calling UCLA "pathetic"
"unworthy" "mediocre"etc etc. Do BYU fans have amnesia or
something...I swear UCLA beat you this year. So if UCLA is "pathetic"
what does that make BYU...? Once again BYU fans should just be happy that their
team is ranked and made it to a bowl game but until you start beating BCS
schools on a regular basis you really have no room for using harsh words towards
another schools program that beat you that same year. And I thought BYU was
supposed to be the class of Utah.
to Max | 12:28 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
UCLA is not obviously a better team than BYU. Did you watch the game? BYU gave
the game to UCLA, the Buins did not win, the Cougars lost. BYU was a better team
then and Are by far a better team now.
We understand | 12:34 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
that you don't think the MWC champ should play a 500 team, but that
argument is just as absurd as saying that UCLA is a pathetic team. Why should
the MWC champ get a better team? Its not like the MWC is the cream of the crop
of mid major conferences, and until the MWC starts competing yearly against BCS
schools and competing towards breaking into the BCS on a yearly basis the MWC
will always be considered a weaker conference that doesn't deserve a team
better than 500 and that's the truth of the matter
Gripe! | 12:34 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I have a gripe. It is when people say things like "BYU Fans" need
to... Anytime you use the word Fans, you are assuming that I feel, think, and
act like the BYU fan you know. With that logic all Jazz fans boo and hate Derek
Fisher. All Ute Fans drink and swear. That's my gripe!
Anonymous | 12:36 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Great article Dick! I appreciate your candid nature in helping BYU fans realize
that UCLA is one of their 2 losses
Here we go again | 12:38 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Mark my words: if BYU loses to UCLA, this board will be filled with Ute fans
gloating about how the Cougs lost twice to a team they destroyed.
BYU fans | 12:42 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Enough of this. The cougs had another good season and the only way to get out of
the bad tv deals and bad bowl tie-ins is to leave the conference and that
certainly isn't going to happen.
Lets face it you have to be undefeated to get in the BCS in the mwc. If they had beat Tulsa and UCLA, two winnable games they wouldn't be in this situation.
The MWC presidents are as much to blame as thompson for the tv deal. Unfortuately bowl games are going to be bad for mwc, wac, cusa and mac teams. I think the best option is like the old liberty bowl. Have a bowl game where the champs of the wac play the champs of the mwc, that is a good option.
Even if the champ makes the bcs you could still take the runner up. BYU-Boise State would have been a great game. All you are going to get with a 5th or 6th place pac 10 team is a disinterested team.
This whole tv deal was all about $$$ they never had plans to get it on the dish. This was a cash cow for comcast.
Lets face it you have to be undefeated to get in the BCS in the mwc. If they had beat Tulsa and UCLA, two winnable games they wouldn't be in this situation.
The MWC presidents are as much to blame as thompson for the tv deal. Unfortuately bowl games are going to be bad for mwc, wac, cusa and mac teams. I think the best option is like the old liberty bowl. Have a bowl game where the champs of the wac play the champs of the mwc, that is a good option.
Even if the champ makes the bcs you could still take the runner up. BYU-Boise State would have been a great game. All you are going to get with a 5th or 6th place pac 10 team is a disinterested team.
This whole tv deal was all about $$$ they never had plans to get it on the dish. This was a cash cow for comcast.
Jan Jorgensen | 12:42 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
It's strange he would say that they were disappointed to play a 6-6 UCLA
team, when last I checked BYU's bowl record is 8-16-1. It ought to be UCLA
who is disappointed to play a team with such a poor bowl record.
Re Big John | 12:52 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Nobody has made a claim that Utah played the second toughest schedule in the
nation. Where did you get that idea?
wolvcoug | 12:53 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
So the Cougars continue to get middle-of-the-pack-PAC-10 bowl opponents. So
what? Until we can consistently beat the UCLA's , the Tulsa's, and the
1990 Texas A&M's (ouch!), let's stop complaining about our draw
and root for our team to take care of business. Let's enjoy the moment and
have some fun! Go Cougs!
Re Disagree | 12:56 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Don't just look at losses when believing BYU is getting shortchanged in the
polls. You also have to look at strength of schedule.
Are you claiming a 3 loss Florida (for example) is worse than a 2 loss BYU simply because of record? It doesn't matter that Florida played several top 20 programs while BYU hasn't played anyone in the top 30? Are you claiming BYU would only have two losses if they played LSU, Kentucky, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, et.al in their conference? BYU would have to go undefeated against those teams since they lost to Tulsa and UCLA - two programs that aren't even in the same league as anyone in the former group.
There is more to a team's strength than simple won/loss record. I believe BYU is ranked about right in the 15-20 neighborhood.
Are you claiming a 3 loss Florida (for example) is worse than a 2 loss BYU simply because of record? It doesn't matter that Florida played several top 20 programs while BYU hasn't played anyone in the top 30? Are you claiming BYU would only have two losses if they played LSU, Kentucky, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, et.al in their conference? BYU would have to go undefeated against those teams since they lost to Tulsa and UCLA - two programs that aren't even in the same league as anyone in the former group.
There is more to a team's strength than simple won/loss record. I believe BYU is ranked about right in the 15-20 neighborhood.
5th place team both years | 1:07 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The article says we're supposed to play the 4th place Pac10 team one year
and the 5th place team the next, then keep alternating like that. So last year
we were supposed to play the 4th place team which ended up being UCLA. Instead
we got Oregon because they were expected to finish 4th but the invitation went
out too early. Now this year the 4th place team is Oregon. Seems like they
should have sent the 4th place team this time since they messed it up last year,
but then we'd be playing Oregon again in consecutive bowls. So instead we
get to play UCLA twice in one year. Nice. Geez, can't anyone else in the
freakin' Pac10 finish in 4th & 5th besides those two teams?!!
I'm not complaining about UCLA's worthiness as an opponent because I can see they have talent, but it would have been nice to get a different team in there for the sake of variety. I hope the Cougars run roughshod over them this time.
I'm not complaining about UCLA's worthiness as an opponent because I can see they have talent, but it would have been nice to get a different team in there for the sake of variety. I hope the Cougars run roughshod over them this time.
Re MWC fan | 1:10 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
BYU is actually 1-2 as an MWC champion in bowl games. They lost to Marshall and
Louisville (before these teams became members of Conference USA and Big East)
and beat Oregon as MWC champions.
Amen | 1:10 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I haven't heard too much complaining by BYU fans on this blog...I'm
sick of the generalizations that people make. BYU is an amazing school with
amazingly nice people that go there. Ya, I'm sure that some of them
complain and aren't perfect, but I'm sure that this happens a whole
lot less than every other school in the nation.
PS: What makes someone "self-righteous?" That term is thrown around a lot. From what I'm gathering, its when someone is trying to do what's right in a world where everyone wants to do wrong. Please explain this to me.
Grow up, there's good people everywhere...and BYU played a great season this year, good job Cougs.
PS: What makes someone "self-righteous?" That term is thrown around a lot. From what I'm gathering, its when someone is trying to do what's right in a world where everyone wants to do wrong. Please explain this to me.
Grow up, there's good people everywhere...and BYU played a great season this year, good job Cougs.
Utah | 1:12 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Maybe Utah should have lost to UCLA and things could be different...
Stupid Utah, beating these guys by 38 with your backups in
Stupid Utah, beating these guys by 38 with your backups in
Mt West is Bad | 1:22 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Utah beat USC, Wyoming beat UCLA, BYU Played Cal even, & BYU Drilled Oregon.
These recent results in Las Vegas have changed NOTHING!
tvb | 1:22 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
I understand BYWho's complaint's. Why would they want to play a team
that's beat them, and then get beat Twice! BYWho, you've got to grow
up and take the licks until you Deserve to be ranked in with the big boys. Stop
your dang complaining already.
Anonymous | 1:24 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Bet the mortgage on BYU...UCLA will hire a new coach but yet go with an interim
coach until then. This means the Bruins will be less motivated and unprepared
(as the current coaching staff works on their resumes rather than preparing the
team--remember when BYU played Oklahoma way back when and beat them because Gary
Gibbs was fired just before the ball)...bottom line is the only story line is
that UCLA did beat BYU and BYU seeks revenge and should get it if the Cougs come
ready to play and not sulk about this otherwise dismal match-up.
The real culprit/s is the BCS system in general and the MWC leadership. What kind of team are you going to get when you are locked into playing the fourth or fifth place team, even from a major conference...a team hovering around .500 and a team discouraged about how their season went and a who cares attitude (like Oregon last year for example).
The real culprit/s is the BCS system in general and the MWC leadership. What kind of team are you going to get when you are locked into playing the fourth or fifth place team, even from a major conference...a team hovering around .500 and a team discouraged about how their season went and a who cares attitude (like Oregon last year for example).
Please Deseret News... | 1:49 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Can we just change Harmons column name to "Dick BYU Harmon" or
"CougarBlue Harmon" or "I'm the biggest BYU fan in the
world" or "I agree 100% with what Collie said about being
righteous". Come on for the love... how can you people stand reading this
garbage penned through blue tinted glasses?
alternate | 1:51 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Funny but you can easily pick out the BYU haters. They could care less about
any logic it is just hate hate hate.
Dick made very good points but unfortunately the BYU haters hate him too. Heck they even hate Monson at the Trib.
Must be a hard life when you are full of hate!
Dick made very good points but unfortunately the BYU haters hate him too. Heck they even hate Monson at the Trib.
Must be a hard life when you are full of hate!
Re: Disagree | 1:51 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The respect will come when the rest of the MWC, everyone besides BYU and Utah,
improve their football programs. For the most part, the other seven schools are
bringing the conference down to where it is insignificant on the grand scale of
college football. The level of play in this league has gone down considerably
since it was formed.
UCLA #1 FAN | 1:52 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
Cougars it sounds as though the 6-6 Bruins are coming to do what it did earlier
in the year! WIN! You play in a weak conference! It's not a BCS
conference for a reason. You are not GOOD!
You will be tired of the waxings we are going to give you and who do we play next year? Yes, BYU! and this means only one thing another opening day VIC!
U-C-L-A, U-C-L-A, fight fight fight; GO BRUINS!
UCLA 38-24
You will be tired of the waxings we are going to give you and who do we play next year? Yes, BYU! and this means only one thing another opening day VIC!
U-C-L-A, U-C-L-A, fight fight fight; GO BRUINS!
UCLA 38-24
Its over | 1:57 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
While there may be a few things said and a couple of points that I don't
fully accept, I do agree that at this point the discussion is over. It would be
nice to have to had a shot of a higher ranked team in a BCS bowl, but
that's not in the cards this year.
Unfortuantely, irrespect of the reasons, BYU was 6-6 in 2005, 5-6 in 2004, 3-8 in 2003, & 5-7 in 2002--in 2002, the Cougers lost to Univ of Nevada@Reno!!
It will take a few years of consistant play and winning tough non-conference games to change perceptions & reestablish BYU's national reputation. The team may get one of those bowl invitations we're all hoping for in couple of years, but looking for one this year wasn't really a reasonable expectation.
At this point, I plan to cheer for the Blue & White and hope they stomp all over those nice folks from UCLA--a blow-out victory on national TV would nicely make up for the 17-27 loss last September.
Unfortuantely, irrespect of the reasons, BYU was 6-6 in 2005, 5-6 in 2004, 3-8 in 2003, & 5-7 in 2002--in 2002, the Cougers lost to Univ of Nevada@Reno!!
It will take a few years of consistant play and winning tough non-conference games to change perceptions & reestablish BYU's national reputation. The team may get one of those bowl invitations we're all hoping for in couple of years, but looking for one this year wasn't really a reasonable expectation.
At this point, I plan to cheer for the Blue & White and hope they stomp all over those nice folks from UCLA--a blow-out victory on national TV would nicely make up for the 17-27 loss last September.
Ruscular | 1:58 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
The unfortunate news is that we knew before the season started that we would
need to run the table in order to get a better bowl and a better opponent. If
Bronco and the boys would have been prepared for the UCLA and Tulsa games then
they would also be in a BCS bowl. They didn't and so now they aren't.
The good news is that we have improved and have a chance to show that we're better now. We've got the offense working now. We're not turning the ball over so much. We're not killing our own drives because of penalties. And we get to prove it on national TV against a good opponent. If we stumble again then we help to reinforce what the rest of the country thinks about the MWC.
The great news is that we are going to have a good team for several years now. So if we can manage our bowl games and non-conference schedule better than we typically do, we should soon join the likes of Utah, Boise State and Hawaii in busting the BCS grip on big money bowl games.
The good news is that we have improved and have a chance to show that we're better now. We've got the offense working now. We're not turning the ball over so much. We're not killing our own drives because of penalties. And we get to prove it on national TV against a good opponent. If we stumble again then we help to reinforce what the rest of the country thinks about the MWC.
The great news is that we are going to have a good team for several years now. So if we can manage our bowl games and non-conference schedule better than we typically do, we should soon join the likes of Utah, Boise State and Hawaii in busting the BCS grip on big money bowl games.
I wonder... | 2:03 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
what two teams the "Y" will lose to next year? If the coogs ever make
it to the BCS, it will be to soon for this Ute fan.
Remarkable | 2:05 p.m. Dec. 4, 2007
It is remarkable that anyone associated with a college football program with a
.313 all-time winning percentage in post-season football bowl games would have
any negative thing to say about any bowl game opponent.
It is remarkable that Mr. Harmon would not be able to write his story without taking a poke at his team's rival.
It is remarkable that while taking that poke he would misstate the facts.
It is remarkable that the Mountain West Conference would lock itself into a bowl game contract where its champion plays a 5th place team from another conference that it has previously played that season.
It is remarkable that those associated with the Mountain West Conference think anything will change.
It is remarkable that money is so important that this ridiculous excuse for a college football post-season is allowed to continue.
I guess the whole thing is nothing but remarkable.
It is remarkable that Mr. Harmon would not be able to write his story without taking a poke at his team's rival.
It is remarkable that while taking that poke he would misstate the facts.
It is remarkable that the Mountain West Conference would lock itself into a bowl game contract where its champion plays a 5th place team from another conference that it has previously played that season.
It is remarkable that those associated with the Mountain West Conference think anything will change.
It is remarkable that money is so important that this ridiculous excuse for a college football post-season is allowed to continue.
I guess the whole thing is nothing but remarkable.
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