The chief difference between a so-called mid-major and a major conference is not
the quality of the players or the quality of the football (or the quality of the
fans). It's whether the conference is part of the BCS. The only reason the
Mountain West is not included in the BCS is that it doesn't have the sheer
numbers of viewers on TV. Advertisers pay for numbers. Conferences whose every
game is televised in high population density areas can demand more money from TV
because the broadcasts bring more money to networks and stations. Things will
change slowly as populations shift to the West. Meanwhile, don't expect any
respect, regardless of which teams BYU, the U, Air Force or the like beat.
Those who like to belittle the Mountain West might do well to check the
conference's record against the so-called major conferences this season.
Bias on coaches shows comes with the territory, duh. I see it on Green Bay TV
all the time. But bias doesn't excuse whining about officiating. That's just
bush league journalism. Of course, pot calling kettle black is just as bush
league. As a BYU fan and alum, I would rather have seen the game
decided by the players than the officials. I suspect if you asked the BYU
players they would say the same thing. Any sensible team wants to win fair and
square, and not give their opponent any reason to feel robbed. But, it is what
it is, bad calls come and go, get over it.Parting shot: Half the
comments say they don't care because nobody watches the show anyway, and yet
there are 130-some comments. So, do you care or not?
Whoaa Pull up the ponies just a bit on this article. Please take a
look at the Deseret News as it clearly slanted to all religious positions LDS
and all athletics BYU. I clearly understand the business relationships between
the three business units (LDS Church, BYU and D-news) but before you go out and
criticize a simple sports talk show on these very same bounds please ensure the
paper you are writing for has their house in order.
Your conference is mid-major, your teams (BYU, Utah...) are mid-major and your
fans are mid-major. It's like watching two grade school bullies trying to beat
up each other. Nobody outside of Utah and Wyoming care about the MWC. Unless
or until your teams join a major conference, you all whine about nothing. Just
Reminds me a little bit of BYU's radio dude who made a comment that I found
annoying (even as one who favored the Y). The comment went something like this:
"I would be nice to see Utah come in at 0-11 and have BYU beat them 59-0." Ok,
you can have that opinion, but don't claim to be objective at the same time. I
have to think that his radio partner cringed at that comment.
what are you talking about Gary?My ABC HD comes in great! Actually much
better than channel 2.
That's the funniest thing I've heard today!
This is why I prefer KSL. It is absolutely the most objective station not only
with sports but all things Utah.........
Noone including most ute fans watch that horrible broudcast anyway.
As a life-long BYU fan I ask, "What is wrong with homers on a show geared toward
fans of a particular team?" If you are a BYU or USU fan, you probably don't
watch the show anyway. Also, people who take offense when fans say "we"
referring to their teams need to get over it. You know what people mean when
they say that.
Channel 4 doesn't have HD....nothing else needs to be said about this mickey
Having lived in 4 different states in the last few years, including Utah, I have
noticed that most media are homers for the better team. In Az that has been U
of A and ASU depending on who has the better year. WA- UW or WSU, again
depending on the year, OH-never mind. The problem that Utah has is two schools
in the same media market. In 2004 I can promise you that the media was not pro
BYU, for that matter neither was it in 2003. The media are darlings for whoever
seems better at the time. BYU has been that team the last two years in Utah.
As for being a homer on a show, go for it. I hope they are homers
on the Red Zone, I hope Wrubbell is cheering for BYU. It is true in every
market and with every team. The papers beat reporters should be impartial, the
editorals cruel to both. But if Dnews wants to hire a huge BYU homer in Harmon,
well that is what he was hired to do. I only hope they would hire a huge Utah
I don't like channel 4 news. It'd be easy to agree with the article. But that'd
be dumb. These channel 4 sports reporters are not acting as reporters during
this show. They are Utah boosters. It's what the show is for. Does Hot Rod boost
for the Jazz? Of course he does. It's his job. Stupid article. Silly to get hot
and bothered over it all.
There are many more BYU fans in this state and country than Yewt fans. Nobody's
ever heard of Utah football before or after 2004 and they probably won't again.
Crawl back into your corners until next football season begins and you can start
hoping that you have a football team that can beat the Y. Bragging rights are
ours for the next year (and probably the year after that and the year after
that) so get used to it. You've got nothing to say - BYU is the better team.
Enjoy the flower bowl.
I can't believe this article. Even 700 the Zone's Bill Ryley has a BYU sidekick.
I am so tired of hearing from PK, DJ, Hans Olsen, Tom Kirtland and the rest of
the BYU "Homers". To have somewhere where the Utes can be talked about is nice
for a change. As far as the calls, I agree w/ the truth. If Utah's Offense
showed up in the first place the end of the game would have been irrelevant. I
just wish it was on Channel 2 with real sportscasters.
every single station in this state favors the Y. driving home from the game was
upsetting when i wanted to listen to the coaches comments and all i hear is the
never ending jabber of kfan raving byu as if it was a blowout. I
personally don't watch this show, but at least there is some kind of U show.
Wrubel is a joke. Kfan is a joke. And this guy is complaining of a show that
features Wittingham. I don't care how poor the show was, at least some balance.
And I will really try to live better here in Salt Lake because of Collie's
comment on living good on and off the field. What an arrogant comment and slap
in the face to the U. Thank you Wittingham for showing some class. But you need
to be living better to win.
funny how calls at the end of a game are looked at so closely and calls early in
the game aren't even though they have just as much effect on the game. Hey, Ute
fans if you haven't destroyed your Tivo or tape of the game look at the fade to
Reed in the endzone in the first quarter! Obvious PI! Give the cougars four
more points like they should have had and they don't even need the last drive!
And how about the offensive PI on Collie? I agreed with the call, but a case
certainly could have been made against it. And the following play, a bomb to
Allen? Obvious PI! And by the way, it's not like the personal foul or the PI
were drive extending calls. BYU still had plenty of time to score without them.
Remember, all they needed was a field goal. You can't say they would have won
or lost without those two calls, so get over it already. The best team clearly
won. You were outplayed in every aspect of the game....look at the stats. Face
it the tide has turned and it's not going to change soon.
how can anyone complain that some local sports reporters look like they favor
the utes. does ch 5 have the kyle whittingham show? thats what I thought
Good for you, Scott! I'm sure it took some courage to get this published, but
that's what good opinion writing does: makes a point, sticks to it, riles the
masses to think. People: this is a column, not an article. Big difference. I
also know Wes Ruff (Red Devil and Cougar alum) and agree his exuberance for the
Utes is a bit much, but not nearly as annoying as that screaming cheer leader
Greg Wrubel on BYU game day. Homer is as Homer does. Still, Wes, you should lose
the emblematic wardrobe, and please have your sound guy watch the modulation
when you guys start gabbing! Only so much pitch these old ears can take!
Scott--keep writing the good stuff. Thanks for letting me chime.
The channel four sportscasting crew should be FIRED!!! or said the Rainbow
Coalition and the Rev. Al Sharpton...Kehl hit the Ute wide receiver with his
hands. imagine what kind of damage he would have done with a shoulder!!! Kehl
will be an all-Pro linebacker for the Green Bay Packers next year. Ruff is
a joke as a sportscaster. He's, to use Wittingham's famous words about the 3-3-5
defense, a gimmick sportscaster. Wittingham is made to look like an idiot by
Ruff and his sidekick. Todd Christensen is no better for the mtn. - i agree. the
mtn. is so BAD!!! this season has altogether achieved a NEW LOW in media
production. is this because there are NO beer commericial support??? i had no
idea that Miller, Coors, Anheuser-Busch etc had so much control of the good
media...time to get the LDS church film department involved to salvage whatever
decent coverage of games can be expected...
Pierce was RIGHT ON! I went to the U, but I also think that Ruff and Rupp HAVE
TO BE FIRED and Channel 4 needs to completely re-do the format of the show to
make it credible - otherwise this thing will continue to spin out of control and
never recover. No matter, because something tells me those two ego-drive LOSERS
will STILL think they are the greatest thing that ever happened to TV sports!
(even though their ratings are the WORST in Utah by far!) Who is in charge of
hiring these incompetants at Channel 4???
No, Get read of mtn! (he won't be on any other channel)
As a kid I delivered the Deseret News in rain or snow for 5 years. I've read
the paper almost daily over the last 20 years since, including the last 9 years
in the Bay Area. I've defended the paper to my wife and others for years, but I
don't know if I can stand up for the Deseret News anymore. The quality of
journalism of this article and others I've read over the last 3-4 months is
increasingly embarrassing and it saddens me greatly. This article is
uninteresting, poorly written, and just a bunch of irrelevant rhetoric.
Articles like this are becoming the norm and not the exception. Editors, please
wake up and do something. If you let your writers get away with stuff like
this, it will just keep coming!
I know as soon as you hear anything positive for the other school(whichever it
may be) the person talking automatically becomes a homer, but check out kutv
sports they dont have an affiliation and produce the best sports coverage
here.(in my opinion)
Whats more embarrassing is you writing an article on your opinion of the
show.Whats more embarrassing is the people without the intelligence to
change the channel.Whats most embarrassing is nobody seems to realize that
these people get paid to attract the fan bases from one school rather than
compete for the fans from both schools. Thats why they are called "RED ZONE" and
"COUGAR BEAT" (what did you really expect when you turn on a sports show with
those titles or a show containing the coaches name in the title?)
Pierce is wrong. Ruff does not owe Kehl an apology. Kehl's hit was illegal and
was not called. Another call for the church school. Todd Christensen
should be off the mtn, his homerism for the zoobs is sickening.
I watched the piece and I thought it was hilarious. Both Whittingham and
Anderson are there with blank stares on their faces trying to deal with the
loss...and then Ruff and the other dude sympathizing with them. i think they
showed the 4th and 18 about 5 times...lol.
Pierce was right on! Ch 4 is a joke. Also, Todd Christensen is the worst
announcer on the tube. Please, mtn network, get rid of him!!
First of all if Wes Ruff is so bad, why did he get Sports Caster of the Year?
Hello! I am so sick of the bias towards BYU!! Thank goodness there is someone
in this state, that isn't afraid to be a cheerleader for the UTE's! Scott get over yourself. You are blue through and through. Scott you won the
game! Why are you even whining?WES YOU ROCK!
Another article from Pierce complaining about ABC 4. Imagine that! Did they
reject you for a job or something? I actually think they're pretty good all
around. I'd watch them over 5 or fox any day. (2 is still the best)Scott, if YOU are truly as unbiased as you claim journalists should be, I
expect an article on KSL's favoritism toward BYU. Go to their website...under
the sports tab you can click on a page for BYU. Where's Utah? or any other Utah
school for that matter. Have you read Greg Wrubells blog?...he refers to the
BYU team as my guys, etc. And of course Kirkland promotes the cougars (you may
need to watch the show again with your blinders off)Please explain
how that is objective? And I wont go into the BYU slant in your own paper
(others have already mentioned it).Why is it okay for you and KSL,
but not ABC or Ruff?
Scott Pierce needs to stop looking at the mote in Channel 4's eye and take the
beam out of his own (i.e. Deseret News') eye.When I lived in Utah, I
threw all sense of objectivity out the window when the Des News would run huge
ads promoting BYU athletic events and then say that the ad was paid for by the
Deseret News (A Corporate Sponsor of the BYU Cougars).Scott, Scott,
Scott: You are pointing a finger at Channel 4, but you have 3 fingers pointing
soundly back at you!!!!
Wesley Ruff is a clown and a buffoon. Several years ago he was assigned to
cover a political announcement and he made it into a sports story. What a
mockery of a serious event. By the way, if memory serves me, he is a BYU grad.
Still joke and in no way a journalist. Whether a Utah or BYU fan, Wes Ruff
should put on his red nose, blue wig and goofy costume when he goes on the air.
Even though he is pushing 50, I wonder when he will grow up.
I'm a BYU fan and if ABC wants to have a Ute fans show, then that's okay. KSL is
plenty dedicated to BYU and so its only fair that the Utes can have their show
too. It's not that complicated of a concept, it's a trade off.
Who monitors these commnets? You post ridiculous statements and let others pass
that agree with the author of the article. Seems a little biased to me,
Channel 4 grasps at straws because their viewing audience is so small.By the way, Ute fans are mad because their team is 3rd and not First.
I LOVED the article. It's ironic that it upsets the Ute fans. It
seems that any comment gets under Ute fans skin. Why is that? I know....UTAH
IS THIRD in the conference.HAHAHAHAHA
Is horrible! Truly there have been some bad articles in the past, but this one
tops the charts for sure. HELLO! The show is called the RED ZONE, so it is out
there for the UTE FANS. BYU has plenty of BIASED coverage from KSL.com to their
TV station, KBYU the list never ends. Give the UTES some air time.
KSL TV and radio are the KINGS of complaining about bad calls. They TAUGHT ME
how to complain about refs. Mr Harmon SLANTS EVERYTHING to be pro BYU. I try to be unbiased in this state, but folks like you make that very
I have to agree Scott. The show is poorly put together from beginning to end.
I think both channel two and channel five have done a much better job at
producing sports programs than what Kyle has to endure. I don't think it is so
much about having a bias toward Utah, all these shows tend to do that, it just
looks like a show that doesn't have any focus or any creativity. Even the
furniture looks like something they got from a fire-sale somewhere.
Ch. 4 is bias. The ratings show the unprofessionalism. I struggle to make any
sense of what ruff and his sidekick say. They are robots trying not very hard
to be journalists.
Jimmy, get over yourself and the righteous bit. I can hear you and your boys,
Bill Marcroft and that homer Ruff, crying in your bitter soup all the way out
here on the West Coast. By the way, does Brooks know what year it is yet after
the Kehl freight train knocked him into Candyland? What about R. Johnson after
Unga gave him a short lesson in goaline physics?
Oregon UTE | 12:58 p.m. Nov. 30, 2007Mnt announcers biased against BYU?
HUH? I have nothing against women doing sports casts on the MNT., VS. or any
other station. But who put that incompetant girl cheerleader from BYU on the
Mnt. broadcast for the BYU-Utah game? Todd Christensen did a little better than
last time, but his girlfriend, between giggles and RAH RAH's for BYU, ruined the
broadcast.Hey Oregon Ute, That girl is a Utah grad and
an avid Utah fan. She mentioned it in prior games on the Mtn.
I can't believe people are actually upset about this. And that "fans" from Utah
and BYU haven't let the game go yet. What a waste of time. Kind of like
watching Ch. 4 or most other TV stations to begin with. Can anyone
answer two simple questions: 1) Do Ch. 4 or 5 sportscasters, Dick Harmon, this
story, a week-old game, or lame comments about a week-old game, actually MATTER?
2) WHY?Thanks... I think.
Hey trojan man. What about the the weak schedule of ranbows.Does weak teams mean
bcs. I guess so. O and by the way i like tom kirkland. So i guess you have to
play weak to get noticed by the bcs
Didn't Rupe and Ruff graduate from BYU? No wonder they are trying to go the
other way to make Whittingham feel comfortable since he turned his back (thank
goodness) on the Y.I blame it on Church Basketball.
52-51 isnt that considered a touchdown or less
This is a stupid argument. If anyone has a reason to be angry it would be the
Utah fans due to how supportive KSL is of BYU. Let's just all quit trying to
cheap shot the other school/fans. I love the Utah/BYU rivalry, infact I think
it is one of the best in the USA. But let's make it a healthy rivalry!GO COUGARS!!
It's the market here that is the problem. It has always been a problem. Does
anybody remember Paul James and Bill Marcroft? They both did the sports for
their repsective channels while also being the play by play announcer for Utah
and BYU. I love the coaches shows and would not want them to go away but my
preference would be have them as their own show that has their own moderator
that can go ahead and be a cheerleader. I want to see that type of show hosted
by a cheerleader type. What I don't want to see is Kent Rupp wear his red Utah
shirt on Sun and then come Monday evening show up on my TV pretending to be a
professional unbiased sports broadcaster. I wonder if David James and channel 2
thought the same thing so they went ahead and dumped the Ute show last year. I
give James credit. I think he does a good job of keeping bias out of it.
Bottom line for me - keep the journalists out of the shows - leave it to someone
else- let Dolce do the Utes and Wrubell do the Cougs.
Ch 4, I agree that they shouldn't wear Utah clothing on the show, but I do like
the fact they don't wear a coat and tie on their weekend shows. Sports are a
great leisure activity and should be treated, as such. Guys sitting around and
shooting the breeze about sports should dress casually. While the content is
much better on 2 & 5, they seem stiff in their business wear.
One word to all you Ute fans: SCOREBOARD!!!Collie 4:18
"Wes Ruff is a Cougar" thinks "sports journalism has more bias than political
journalism..." Guess you've never watched MSNBC, FOXNEWS, CNN, etc.
While I can honestly say that I'm not in any way a Kirkland fan (even after
several years in this market he still seems lost when it comes to local sports)
at least he still tries to act like he has some sort of objectivity when he
interviews Bronco Mendenhall. I'm not sure, but was Kent Rupe wearing red and
white face paint and waving a big foam finger during a show a few weeks ago? Mix
in a suit and tie, this is a "news program", not pep rally up on the hill.Its fine that the Utah coaches show is slanted towards the Utes, that's
the fan base they're going for after all. I just think (and I think right
thinking Ute fans would agree)that it would be nice to have a show where the
head coach doesn't have to sit there looking sick for half and hour while two
professional journalists sit there like a couple of college freshmen giggling
and lobbing him softball questions.
"Just to clear things up" makes an excellent point that I cannot understand has
not been made before. The difference between the two hits was clear to see(as
much as possible on the mtn). Gosh this name calling and is fun and displays
our maturity. Relax, its a game!
Bryan Kehl is a stud!! Kehl did his job....it was a great hit and
most of all it was "LEGAL"!! If you don't want Brooks to get hit
playing football?.....I suggest you put a dress on him like the
Mayor of SLC wears!
If no one watches channel 4, does it really exist???
The hits that Brian Kehl and Robert Johnson made were very similar looking, but
there was a slight difference. . . Brian Kehl hit Jereme Brooks at,
I kid you not, the EXACT same time the ball was sailing over their heads. Part
of the hit may have been momentum induced, but it would have been difficult to
tell from the angle he was coming in at but the ball looked very catchable and
so he laid the hit. It just so happened that he didn't catch the ball. When Robert Johnson hit Dennis Pitta the ball had already landed the ground
about one or two seconds after the hit was made. There was also another Ute
defender nearby who saw it go out and did nothing.So they were both
very similar but those little details were what made the difference.
Do you have any clue? Your agenda is showing. A stupid article and in fairness
the BYU homer media should be spoken about - is that you next article? Please
Bronco, in your best "sunday voice" could you let us know what you think?
Isn't it nice for the news media to give everyone a place to punch, bite, and
gouge. This forum sounds like a family fued with different subjects. However,
it is a place to exercise your right to freedom of speach - right?
Mnt announcers biased against BYU? HUH? I have nothing against women doing
sports casts on the MNT., VS. or any other station. But who put that
incompetant girl cheerleader from BYU on the Mnt. broadcast for the BYU-Utah
game? Todd Christensen did a little better than last time, but his girlfriend,
between giggles and RAH RAH's for BYU, ruined the broadcast.
The article was fine and points out some newscasters that can't be objective.
There's others out there as well and whichever team you root for you find a
channel that supports your opinion and watch it. I, for one, never watch
channel 4 - they're awful all the way around. I did catch part of the rerun of
this coach's show on the mountain and agree 100% about Wes and Kent's bias, and
lack of class in the way they handled the officiating issues.And to
other ute fans out there- Brian Kehl's hit was with his arms, one angle clearly
showed that, and he didn't lead with his helmet.I was surprised by
the PF penalty on utah late in the game, from my seats it looked more like pass
interference at the time - then on the replay I though they'd wave the flag off,
but called the pf instead. Oh well, I've gotten over it - and so should the
rest of the whiny ute fans that are still complaining (especially Wes and Kent).
Those two (Kent and Wesley) ARE EMBARRASSING! They are truly hard to watch. I
can't do it in fact. I get squeemish and feel bad for Kyle and the camera crew
and the producers and.... actually the producers should probably be ashamed of
themselves. Wesley "Hey Kyle... hehe...was it funny when you got
flipped-off...hehehe, or were you mad? Kent: "yeah Kyle were you mad..hehe, can
you tells us about it?"
Way too critical of an article. If one is expecting 100% objective
reporting--you'll never find it. If a reporter is a homer, so what? They spend
their lives interviewing a team, get to know their players, feel and even share
passion from the fans, it is natural to side with the highs and feel the lows of
each outcome. I appreciate the reporting either way, if everyone was 100%
objective in sports reporting that would be very boring. I appreciate the
enthusiastic reporting of channel 4 and the other stations. Sports is
entertainment and enthusiasm, focusing on whether reporting is objective or not
only belongs in certain journalism classrooms. Go Cougars, Utes, Aggies,
Wildcats, Wolverines, T-birds!
Who watches ch 4 anyway? They dress, act, and report unprofessionally.
Who even cares. If someone doesnt like it then dont watch it! I'm sure it the
ratings were bad Channel 4 would look to make changes.
Pierce is a TV critic. He's critisizing a poor TV show. Which, if I'm not
mistaken is his job. Anyone that has watched it knows its bad, even
embarassing. It would be better if Ruff and Rupe would at least play the part
of journalists. For a good example of how it should be done watch David James
on the Jazz Pre and Post game shows.
Go easy on the Red Zone show, utah fans need a chance to catch up on their
football highlights especially since most of them choose not to go to the home
games and the others are too busy following ute gymnastics.
Re MTN!!!!!!!!!!!If BYU fans think that the mtn announcers are
biased against BYU, than they have got some serious problems. Look at all the
awards they handed out during the BYU Utah broadcast. Guess who they all went
to? Not Utah. The BYU alum broadcasters have to go. Better yet get rid of the
MTN and the broadcasters go to!!!! Seems like a win-win!!
Thanks Scott. Welcome to the world of Ute fans. We Ute fans have dealt with
this type of bias for years on KSL radio and television, as well as local
newspapers such as this one. Of course Ute fans are just whiners when we
mention this. Nice job...homer.
Oh my heck first you do another story about Redford's LDS comments and now this?
Come on D News what are you thinking? This isn't newsworthy! Now I'm starting to
understand why some people refer to this publication as the "Desperate News".
How can anyone say that Kehl's hit wasn't with his helmet? I don't know what
replay the author was watching but he for sure put his helmet right in Brooks'
back. yeah real class act. Granted BYU probably would've scored on that drive
at the end anyway, but you gotta love giving them 30 extra yards on penalties.
Must be due to Austin Collie's righteousness....anyway it was a good game and
here's looking to next year! GO UTES!!!!
Thanks Scott for this. I can't stand Wesley Ruff and Kent Rupe and Dana Green
for that matter. Ruff still looks uncomfortable in front of the camera...even
after all these years. Dana Green needs to turn it down a few notches. Rupe is
fine when he's reading from the teleprompter but is awful when trying to have a
live discussion.I must agree. Ruff and Rupe were SO unprofessional
during the show. Rupe wasted no time in questioning the personal foul and
interferance calls. By the time they got Whittingham to say "no comment" I
turned the channel.
Its Sports, of course there is a bias. That is why people turn on Ch. 4--they
want to hear how great Utah is. If you want to hear how great BYU is turn on
Ch. 5 (or KSL--thank heavens Greg Wrubell doesn't seemed concerned with
bias--makes listening to the games so much more fun). If there is
one thing I have learned living in the the land of the University of Texas it is
that the Austin news outlets are lucky to only have to try and cover UT, they
would be in real trouble having to replace the swim team news with another
schools basketball scores.Only in really large markets like LA, do
news outlets run into the same problems as the Salt Lake outlets do, multipule
large Universities with competitive teams. In Texas every handful of counties
has there own stations. Austin doesn't even really try to cover anything else
(I thought for awhile after moving here that all other college/pro sports were
suspended unless they were playing UT or had a former UT athlete on there
team).Support your team, have fun, learn which channels to
watch/listen to, and which columns to read.Go Cougars!!!!
I was just messin around with the whole coach K. Whit comment. I just wanted to
see how anyone would respond, and they did. I got a kick out of it. Utah did do a great job on defense in the game against BYU, and I realize
coach Whittingham is a different coach than Bronco Mendenhall. But I will admit
that there are things that Coach Whit. does and says sometimes in his coaching
style that rub me the wrong way. I even know some of the players on the Ute
defense that are pretty decent guys, like Paul Kruger. I read the article about
Robert Johnson, the safety at Utah, and he seems pretty cool too, he has an
Todd Christensen did a terrible job calling the game. He was never anything but
critical. Never once made a positive comment. Not even after Harvey Unga
scored the touchdown did he give him any praise. Todd its okay to say something
positive once in a while. About either team. I hate hearing overly critical
sportscasters who thing they know everything.
Nice article Scott!! If your article isn't the pot calling the kettle black I
don't know what is. The Deseret News is by far the most biased newspaper I have
ever read when it comes to favortism toward BYU. It's absolutely ridiculous!!
You are probably of the mindset that BYU should be a BCS team aren't you
Scott??Now I know why I skip over most of Scott's articles and the
Deseret News in general.
Brian Kehl is not a class act. He is probably the biggest Provo trash talker
since Jim McMahon.
Its a good show..........It reminds me that The Beverly Hillbillies
are coming on.
I watched the show. I wasn't put off as much by Ruff as I was by Kent Rupp. He
couldn't seem to wait to start criticizing the officials for calls. Didn't seem
to want to talk about the questionable calls that went in Utah's favor. But he
chose the most favorable replay angles to illustrate his point.Rupp
isn't a journalist. He is a cheerleader. He just as well have worn the
cheerleading sweater and a skirt instead of the red Utah shirt.
Hey Scott, why not include your own Mike Sorensen with the list of Ute
homers? Yes, Harmon is biased toward BYU. But Sorensen is just as bad when
it comes to favoring the Utes. His column on Monday morning was the most whiny,
apologetic piece of trash I have ever read. The D-News has some real
credibility issues, both with Harmon and Sorensen.
It just makes it so much sweeter to hear the ewe faithful complain about the
refs -- it lets me know they are that much angrier about the loss. How sweet it
is!!! Now if only they could dig up Bill Marcroft and let him rant for a while
about his beloved euwetes...
Pierce, you've really made your paper and yourself look foolish on this one. So
hypocritical. No paper bleeds Blue like you guys.
The mtn. needs to get some real announcers total homers toward the Y, they even
have nicknames for BYU players. As a ute fan i really don't like the show on
Channel 4, mainly because those two are always joking around, and they don't
seem to let whitt talk much. Who cares though what a waste of an article.
The reason I no longer watch KSL is due to Tom Kirkland. I do not know of any
Homer worse than him. I think that Scott got a little offended when somebody
else expressed thier opinion, that did not coincide with his own.
I rarely watch channel 4 (and obviously I'm not alone) because they are SOOOO
weak in almost every area. They are particular weak at sports - they THINK they
are popular, but Wes and Kent are so lame and conceited - they actually think
they do a good job!
It was on the MTN so no one saw the hit so get over it. Who cares......
dont diss on bryan kehl. he is a class act and always has been. good career
bryan. go get them on saturday
Scott Pierce never passes up an opportunity to criticize the lack of objectivity
in sports journalists. Sports has always been a bit different because teams
enter into contracts with media outlets to promote their teams. The fact that
channel 4 has a Utah show indicates to fans that there is going to be a Utah
emphasis. The public doesn't care Scott. The public also questions the
objectivity of all media outlets. The fact is media outlets are very keen to
selling their products to the public and will use any hook they can. Its
becoming more and more about entertainment.
I'm wondering, all the major local stations clearly are biased and cheering for
the Jazz. Not just the sports anchors, but the news guys also.Does
that mean they can't be good journalists since they have biases? Or does that
rule only apply to journalists in the college realm?Nobody can claim
any of the local guys, including the quasi God Dick Nourse, are impartial when
it comes to the Jazz.
To "There it is again":Whittingham has said nothing publically about
the officiating in the loss to BYU. He wasn't a crybaby nor did he make excuses
for the loss. You are out of line for stating he "makes dumb excuses like
penalties won the game for BYU." Get off your high horse and read his comments
or watch his show before making outlandish claims like that.Also,
Pierce's column didn't accuse Whittingham of making those comments - in fact the
column praised him for remaining quiet. Since that is the case, how do you
think Pierce "made a good point about Whittingham" when he didn't rip him?Your reading and listening comprehension has a lot to be desired.
If you wanted to write an interesting and factual article on bias in reporting
and sportscasting it should have been on the two clowns that did the Utah-Byu
game on the MTN....there was a Cooger homer job if ever there was one
Not sure what the big deal is. No one watches Channel 4 anyway.
Considering Michael Moore is a "journalist," I think unbiasedness as a
qualification is shot out the window. As long as the program doesn't purport to
be news, it can have all the spin it'd like.Just like Moore.
To author of Stupid Article:I guess the mtn. guys did their job
then, because as a BYU fan I thought that they were completely biased towards
Utah. I feel a lot of times that because Christensen is a graduate of BYU, he
tries to overcompensate during his BYU broadcasts.
I agree somewhat with what was said earlier, if channel 4 wants to be ute fans,
that's fine. KSL is biased towards BYU, and that's fine too. So we both have our
little sports fans in both TV stations. What bothers me is that Pierce did make
a good point about Kyle Whittingham. I swear that coach is the biggest crybaby.
He has no ownership for his losses and he makes dumb excuses like penalties won
the game for BYU. I think its penalties against BYU and other mistakes that kept
Utah in the game. There weren't as many on BYU, but they came at just the right
times (like the called back touchdown, for example). Bronco Mendenhall would
never make dumb excuses for a loss, I'm so glad we have a coach like him. If
Whittingham were the coach right now for BYU I have a feeling we would still be
experiencing much of the problems from the Crowton years.
hhmmm. My comments doen't make it on D-News because I was ripping Kirkland. Yet
this jounalist rips a station who is in competition with KSL-Byu. Unbelievable.
Coming from a HUGE Cougar fan and anyone who plays Utah, I am really
disappointed in this completely hypocritical article. Now, my thoughts on the
game... You lost the game with the 4th and 18 and you are all finding any excuse
you can...The officiating may have been questionable at times, but I am tired of
hearing the conspiracy theory amongst Ute fans!BYU 32 SDSU 13.
Stupid article. It's funny that a story would be written about this without
pointing out or at least mentioning how horribly one sided the announcer's were
on the MNT for the Utah, byu game. Talk about one sided reporting. They harped
the whole game about calls that were supposed to go against Utah and for byu.
This article should've been called "Scott Pierce's column embarrassing".
I'm a Ute fan, but I agree with this article. How often has Tom Kirkland wore a
BYU shirt while interviewing Bronco? Never.The "Red Zone" is like a
High School kid interviewing his football coach for the weekly school report.Note to Ruff and Rupe: You are professional journalists, don't wear Ute
clothes while doing the Ute coaches show. A shirt and tie never killed anybody.
I have known Mr. Wesley Ruff for years, and this article lacked taste, to say
those things about Wes is totally uncalled for, What happended did Wes do
something to you or offend you? I think Wes is probably one of the best sports
anchors in the SLC market, He always has had some of the best news packages.
The day he finally got the lead anchoring job was the best decision KTVX made.
Even though I am more of a Cougar fan, I still will cheer on the
Utes 11 games a year, Because I now live in Vegas when ever I get the chance I
try to catch his show when it is broadcast on the Mtn. or CSTV. I watch it
because of Wes.
It is laughable that Pierce considers himself a "journalist", he is not. Coaches
shows are not "journalism" either. Get over yourself already.
Hey local sports commentary police! Do like I do. I don't pay much attention
to local sportscasters. They are irrelevant. If you want to get any sports
news in this area go to the real sources on the radio or TV....ESPN, etc.. It's
the same with the so called regular news anchors. Thankfully there are windows
to the outside world.
Are you kidding me? They aren't paid to be objective, they are paid to be
homers. If you don't like it, why don't you exercise your freedom of choice and
change the channel?
Great Article. Keep up the great work...Could you please pound on the Mtn. more?
Also, did you notice that right before the play Unga scored on, that the play
clock had clearly shown "zero"for a couple of seconds?
Pierce knows the station gets big bucks to promote the U, so Ruff and Rupp have
no choice but to be Utah homers. So Pierce picking on them personally is totally
classless. If he wants to criticize the conflict the media has when it makes
these kind of deals, then that's one thing. But He sure wouldn't do the same to
the homers working at his paper, or the KSL guy who has unofficially become the
spokesman of BYU sports. And that guy who says Channel 2 is the
best is nuts. Dave Fox is the worst.
As a Cougar Fan having watched the show....I have no problems with the media
being biased towards the utes. IT IS THEIR SHOW! The only problem I would have
is if they are presenting false information (which is one of the reasons I hate
Kirkland on the cougars show). Let the hosts of the UTAH show be biased towards
those that are watching..Utah Fans. Let Kirkland be biased towards BYU since it
is BYU fans being the target. But to both stations....GET THE FACTS RIGHT.
Don't dog BYU for something that is not factually correct and don't do the same
to the Utes...both teams deserve better than that. And I agree Coach W has done
a great job keeping his mouth shut and letting us cougar fans enjoy the win
without having to rehash bad calls (both ways) through out the game. BYU 35
Please, no more complaints about the dismal coverage, or lack thereof, provided
by the mtn Network unless you have contacted (at least one) the people
responsible for this mess.Calling Dish or DirectTV accomplishes
absolutely nothing (as many of us have found out). But writing to the
University Presidents and the Conference Commissioner might get them to
acknowledge their huge mistake.You Cougar fans should write to:President Cecil O. SamuelsonD-146 ASBBrigham Young UniversityAsk Dr. Samuelson to explain why he (and the others) made such a huge
mistake.Write a letter today.Provo, UT 84602-1346
You are criticizing two former sportscasters of the year award winners!!!!!
Just out of curiosity, what have you won?????
Get a clue Scott. Channel 4 won the bidding rights, has a contract, and pays
the U to be their official local media outlet. That gives them the right to
cheerlead the U all they want.
Uhhh... ummmm... its a "coaches" show... and you were expecting? BTW, Ruff looks
awesome in red.
I am a cougar fan but this was a horrible article. write about something worth
I have never read a more hypocritical article in my life. As a footbal fan and
not a Ute or a Cougar fan, there is no question that the hit by Kehl was just as
worthy of a penalty as the one called late in the game. The hallmark of good
officiating is consistency. The Mountain West should be ashamed of the crew that
worked this game. I guess the game assigner is the same person that brokered the
How can any newspaper that employs Dick Harmon complain about anybody else being
This article could replace the words "Ch. 4" with "KSL" and it would be right on
point. Are you kidding me?
Wow, I'm a USU alum and to even write and article about another news agency
being cheerleaders makes the Deseret News look like hypocrits. Channel 5 and
the Deseret News both overcover the Y and it's hard for me to stomach watching
or reading either one of them.Which is blacker the pot or the
What about KSL constantly promoting that they are the Cougars station? I keep
watching KSL even though I despise the fact they have to promote BYU, but I have
my choice to not watch or listen. So...
I would expect the Ute show on Channel 4 and the Cougar coaches show (on channel
5 still I believe) to somewhat slanted towards their own teams.I
find it ironic that Scott finds a show that is supposed to be about the Utes to
be offensive because it favors Utah, but seems to have no problems with some of
the mtn network announcers who are supposedly neutral who have been accused by
some to be somewhat biased towards the Cougars. (Todd Christensen used "WE" to
describe his former team at one point in Saturday's contest.)
Stupid article (talk about the pot calling the kettle black!), but maybe you're
on to something here. Whether it's BYU or Utah, having homers interview coaches
is like pouring gas on a fire, and it becomes painful to watch.So
how about this?.......let's have Utah homers host the BYU coaches show, and BYU
homers host the Utah coaches show. Let's watch Kyle and Bronco squirm! At
least it would be entertaining.
There is no question that channel 4 sports is by far the worst. I watch Channel
2, which I feel is the best and then Channel 5.Rankings1-Ch.
22-Ch. 53-Ch. 134-KBYU5-My kid's jr. high6-Ch. 4
That doesn't make sense to me since Wesley Ruff is a BYU alum. I have worked on
the sidelines with him in the past and I didn't get a sense that he was a Utah
fan. My guess is that KTVX is pushing for them to be Ute "Homers" to
give an outlet for those that only have the Kirkland show to watch. In the end
it comes down to picking a format that will draw in viewers.There is
nothing wrong with sports anchors picking sides in a local market. It happens
all the time. Sports journalism has more bias than political journalism, but
that is what keeps it interesting.
Wow.... I like you Scott. But, to complain about Utah media being homers for
the Utes as it relates to BYU is a bit over-the-top don't you think?Seriously, since moving to Texas 8 years ago, (while still reading Utah
newspapers on an almost daily basis), it's clear to me that the majority of
media in Utah are BYU homers. Of course, media are people too and favor their
own teams. But, it's a stretch to think the media in Utah favors Utah over BYU.
I am a USC man all the way. I can't stand to watch Tom Kirkland. He is the
biggest BYU cheerleader in the state. I have seen the channel 4 show as well,
and I haven't noticed the cheerleading that I see with Tom "Cougar" Kirkland.
Maybe I need to watch more. How come non of the cougar fans aren't upset that in
the last two years they have lost 4 games they should have won? If they would be
ready to play from the start of the year, they would be in the BCS. It is time
to see BYU set their sights on more than just beating up on a weak mountain west
and try and do something real.
And Ruff seemed to be a big BYU homer. This was 10 years ago or so. I guess they follow whoever is paying the bills.
Obviously, Mr. Pierce is a Y fan so why does he watch the Red Zone? I see
nothing wrong with them being a "cheerleader" and promoting the Utes. The other
channels do a good job of "cheerleading" the Y, so get a grip.As for the
poor officiating in the game, the refs really need to make the calls throughout
the game, not just at the end. The officials did a poor job overall, missing
calls on both sides. Good job by Coach W for keeping quiet when asked about the
officials.Enough said. GO UTES!
The mtn. stinks.
The war in Iraq, disease, wildfires, crime, the weather. These are some things
to write about. You must have some kind of vendetta against Ruff. I am
not a fan of either team, but can clearly see that whoever wrote this
sympathizes with BYU. I thought we believed in freedom of speech in this
Is there any media in this market that doesn't wear BYU blue tinted glasses. I
have my own issues with the coaches show, like Rupp and Rupe laughing thoughout
the show after the OSU loss and injuries, but come on, it's a coaches show, what
do you want them to say" "Yep you guys played terrible and BYU is great", like
every other media person in the local area.
That's funny. You diplay your BYU homerism in this article in which you
complain about people being Utah homers. Pretty Hypocritical. LOL.
Be quiet BYU Fan.
Saw the show and thought the announcers had been cued ahead of time to make the
points that Whittingham wanted to make, but couldn't without sounding like a
whiner. Channel 4 leads with bias.
Why do they keep removing comments that are negative regarding the article but
not offensive? Hmmmm, now I can no longer read the desnews or the trib. Like
Putin, Big brother in Utah has effective control of the press:)
This is an embarrassment. You owe readers an apology for writing this.
Never watch it anyway. Doesn't sound like I'm missing much.
Let's all hope and pray that the unworkable "the mnt" soon sinks back into
depths of hades from whence it was created, by unwise and unknowing, college
presidents. What an idea, "let's have our own network, but make it so nobody
outside the small cities that make up most MWC college towns, can find visual
evidence that the teams exist". I'm betting it was the WAC that secretly
put up the money to keep their competitor off the satellites, so they wouldn't
have to compete with the MWC for ESPN coverage. Putting college presidents in
charge of conference athletics is like appointing Richard Nixon to run
professional "wrestling".Imagine letting stuffed shirted men and a woman,
who never got their pants dirty or anything but A+'s and always came the first
time their mom called as kids now having any idea how the hardscrabble, dirty
and sweaty world of sports works. I'd rather give my youngest child an AK-47
(not the kind that cries) for Christmas. You want play-offs and to see your team
play, let the AD's make the decisions.
Maybe in your next column you can comment on the biggest homers since Harry
Care:, Frank Dolce and co.
This criticism is coming from a writer who recently wrote a story saying a
"Utahn" had won dancing with the stars, but then no where in his story did he
ever mentioned the connection to Utah. And he claims to be professional? And
what about the fact that the Dnews even promoted its own BYU writer as "bleeding
blue." The only homer around is KSL Wrubell, who actually took the stage after
the win and led BYU's celebration. Now that's unprofessional and embarassing.