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News Flash | 10:04 a.m. Nov. 29, 2007
The football world that matters (East of the Mississippi) considers the WAC and
MWC to be interchangeable, that is assuming they have ever heard of either
conference. People know about the Utes due to basketball success and breaking
the BCS. Ninety nine percent know nothing about the Cougars or any of the other
teams in the MWC. Boise State is well respected due to winning a BCS game.
Outside of Boise State people know nothing about the WAC.
Coug Fan from Idaho... | 10:05 a.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Next Year BYU has a very good chance of winning against UCLA at Home, on the
road against an average Washington team, and then a cupcake game against Utah
State, and for sure cup cake game against whoever we play for the first game of
the season. The only thing I'm worried about for next year is Robert Anae,
as our offensive coordinator. He is the WORST! His play calling against Utah
cost us three touchdowns. I've never seen a coach so pass happy. I thought
when a team can't stop what you do you keep doing it until they prove they
can stop you. That was the case with our running game. Utah was gashed all day
by our running game, yet Anae just had to keep flinging that football around the
field. So as long as Anae is BYU's offensive coordinator, BYU will lose one
to two games each year because of shoddy play calling. Show some common sense
ANAE!!!!
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ogmson | 10:15 a.m. Nov. 29, 2007
I love the idea of scheduling Utah an extra game next year....the record at the
end of 2008 would then be 4-0 over the last four games against the Yewts,
instead of just 3-0!
The travesty in College football is that ANY team has the right to bow out of a game and not keep a schedule. They just have to pay for it. Obviously conference games are required to be made up. (i.e. SDSU) It would be a great time to go to Notre Dame and try and move up the home and home schedule to start again in 08. Also, for those who have shorter memories, Bobby Bowden said he would....watch for the operative word..."Never come to Provo". I can't imagine anything has changed in five years, unless FSU gets a new head coach....
Weber might be a good choice...the yewts have them scheduled for next year...maybe they know something BYU doesn't?? Although, I don't think BYU needs the additional 1500 fans WSU would bring like the Yewts would need them. Let's see, 1500 added to 19000 fans at RES would take them over 20,000 fans! Now I know why they were scheduled!
The travesty in College football is that ANY team has the right to bow out of a game and not keep a schedule. They just have to pay for it. Obviously conference games are required to be made up. (i.e. SDSU) It would be a great time to go to Notre Dame and try and move up the home and home schedule to start again in 08. Also, for those who have shorter memories, Bobby Bowden said he would....watch for the operative word..."Never come to Provo". I can't imagine anything has changed in five years, unless FSU gets a new head coach....
Weber might be a good choice...the yewts have them scheduled for next year...maybe they know something BYU doesn't?? Although, I don't think BYU needs the additional 1500 fans WSU would bring like the Yewts would need them. Let's see, 1500 added to 19000 fans at RES would take them over 20,000 fans! Now I know why they were scheduled!
Re: News Flash | 10:53 a.m. Nov. 29, 2007
News Flash should get out more. Maybe even talk to people on both sides of the
Mississippi before making silly comments. Of course most Easten college
football fans view both the WAC and MWC as beneath the ACC, Big East, Big Ten...
but even casual eastern college football fans are 1) aware of the difference
between the WAC and MWC (even though these games are never on TV in the East)
and 2) know the MWC conference was formed from old members of the WAC and is
generally thought of as a superior conference. Most seasons Hawaii and Fresno
St. would be mid-tier MWC teams, and Boise St. would be a first tier MWC team;
but the rest of the WAC is trash and would be at the bottom of the MWC. To say
an Eastern college football fan doesn't know the difference is silly. We
may not care, and both conferences are largely irrelevent, but why wouldn't
we know the difference?
cougarfan | 11:10 a.m. Nov. 29, 2007
I cant beleive everyone just doesn't get it. You all say that Hawaii
doesn't play anyone good on the road. They we supposed to either open the
season at USC or Michigan, ESPN wanted them to play at Michigan for television
purposes, Michigan backed out and left Hawaii high and dry, by the time Hawaii
knew this USC had already scheduled Idaho. Michigan State also pulled out of a
game sheduled in Hawaii, therefore making Hawaii schedule 2 DII schools. All
three "Powerhouse teams" didn't want anything to do with Hawaii.
It worked out well for Michigan though, scheduling App State instead. So stop
refering to Hawaii as if they purposely made their schedule soft, it came down
to other top 10 teams being to scared to play them. I agree with whoever said
that all 3 (if hawaii does) teams that cracked the BCS had something in common.
They all ended the previous season ranked and returned the majority of their
good players. This really makes it look good for BYU next year. If they win
out they will be ranked to start the 2008 season and if they win, they will
crack the BCS.
its gonna be hard | 11:37 a.m. Nov. 29, 2007
well it is going to be hard to find someone who will play in Provo. no one wants
to play there. plus whoever ends up playing us will want us to go there first.
alot of teams don't realize how good the cougars are when they are
clicking. have you looked at who people think BYU will play in Vegas if the
don't get a BCS bid? UCLA! playing them twice in one year and again next
year? if they were at all any good then it would be worth it but they
aren't playing well at all. they haven't played well since losing to
UTAH. i say if we try to get pac 10 school we get USC or one of the top teams
there that would help us with getting a BCS bid next year.
SeattleCougarBlue | 12:23 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
UCLA! when you bash the bruins, you aren't doing the cougars any favors.
Have cougar fans forgotten that the cougars lost to UCLA?? Until the cougars
beat them badly and repeatedly the bruins are a quality opponent. UCLA is once
again playing this weekend to keep the trojans out of the Rose Bowl. Any
opponent from the top half of the PAC-10 is a benefit to the Cougars schedule.
Just be thankful they don't have a schedule like the Huskies of
Washington... Ohio State, Boise St., Syracuse and the PAC-10 schedule. Next
year's schedule for the Huskies includes BYU, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame.
I have no complaints about BYU's BCS opponents. However, I would love to see the non-bcs teams be the likes of Boise St., Hawaii, or other strong teams from the WAC. You can also throw in Notre Dame and Navy. We could maybe trade on of the PAC-10 opponents each year for a BCS team in the East... the cougars have done that before with teams like Boston College, Georgia Tech, Virginia.
I have no complaints about BYU's BCS opponents. However, I would love to see the non-bcs teams be the likes of Boise St., Hawaii, or other strong teams from the WAC. You can also throw in Notre Dame and Navy. We could maybe trade on of the PAC-10 opponents each year for a BCS team in the East... the cougars have done that before with teams like Boston College, Georgia Tech, Virginia.
T-Rex | 12:31 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Schedule a tough opponent and beat them. That's the MWC's BCS ticket.
Once Hawaii gets crushed in a BCS bowl game all the legitimacy Utah and Boise
State earned for the MWC and WAC will be gone.
Anonymous | 12:38 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
BYU just needs to win with the schedule they have.
Re: Re: News Flash | 12:49 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
I have been out. I grew up watching WAC/MWC football. I will always follow it,
but it took one game in the Horseshoe (OSU's stadium) for me to realize why
no one cares about the MWC. People in the East see no difference between the
WAC and MWC. They can name Utah and BSU because they broke into their BCS
party. Outside of that it means nothing to them. It doesn't matter who
would be mid-tier or first-tier in the MWC, because no one outside of the
Intermountain West cares. Last Saturday's game is a pefect example. Two
teams playing poorly on the worst tv station in the world. It seriously looked
like high school kids put together the broadcasting and camera work.
Smith | 12:59 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
-Mike in Austin-
Maybe BYU should try an on-side kick.
Maybe BYU should try an on-side kick.
Ufan | 1:26 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Utah was faced with the same dilema as BYU earlier this year, and we scheduled
Michigan with the open date. As a fan I am excited!! It can only help the
conference if we show well. Respect has to earned.
Re:Give me a Break / CTR | 1:41 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Whose holding their own against BCS teams, take a look at the facts.
BYU under Bronco 2 wins / 6 losses.
UofU during the same time 4 wins and 3 losses.
Go ahead schedule a cupcake it may be your only chance to start the season with a W.
Choose The Red-
BYU under Bronco 2 wins / 6 losses.
UofU during the same time 4 wins and 3 losses.
Go ahead schedule a cupcake it may be your only chance to start the season with a W.
Choose The Red-
It's something more | 2:11 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Yeah Hawaii has any easy schedule. But they NEVER lost. Going undefeated has
as much to do with conquering yourself as it does with your competition.
In my opinion LSU is the best and most tallented team in the nation, but they lost twice to teams that they shouldn't have. You can't argue with NO losses.
Even if BYU schedules cupcakes, does this put them in the BCS automatically? NO, they still have win all their games.
So I say, go for it Bronco. Schedule those awfull Aggies up north, Idaho state, and Snow college. Does UVSC have a team? Heck, play Timpview high. But don't cry when for some reason your players choke on a cupcake game and you lose. (Of course this would only happen as punishment from the Lord because your players weren't living right.)
Going undefeated gives Hawaii a BCS berth. Reguardless of the team played.
In my opinion LSU is the best and most tallented team in the nation, but they lost twice to teams that they shouldn't have. You can't argue with NO losses.
Even if BYU schedules cupcakes, does this put them in the BCS automatically? NO, they still have win all their games.
So I say, go for it Bronco. Schedule those awfull Aggies up north, Idaho state, and Snow college. Does UVSC have a team? Heck, play Timpview high. But don't cry when for some reason your players choke on a cupcake game and you lose. (Of course this would only happen as punishment from the Lord because your players weren't living right.)
Going undefeated gives Hawaii a BCS berth. Reguardless of the team played.
RE: News Flash | 2:13 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Do you think people out here in Gods country care what goes on east of the
Mississippi? Seriously, we who live out here on the West absolutely LOVE it and
are very proud of the way football is played out here. We watch are fair share
of games and realize that the better teams out here can and would compete
favorably with those teams out there. The only reason we talk about you poor
soles east of the Mississippi is because of the media bias towards the east
coast and because the media pretty much shoves it down our throats.
Whoa Nellie | 2:27 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
It sounds like Grambling State might have flexible travel plans for August 30,
2008. If Nevada can schedule them for that date why can't BYU schedule
them for a few dollars more? After all, it's just a business deal.
RE: Give me a break / CTR | 2:28 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Why would BYU stoop to Utah's level and schedule a cupcake team? Weber
State? Give me a break !!...
Who to schedule | 3:17 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
BYU already has Washington in Seattle next year. It is a rough place to play
even if the Huskies aren't exactly the Washington Huskies.
UCLA at home is also on the schedule.
Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV and SDSU will be the conference home games.
And oh, yea. BYU already has a cupcake on the schedule...Utah State in Logan.
Someone like Florida will not come to Provo for one game only. They don't have to.
Florida State is scheduled to come to Provo in 2010 and may be willing to move the date ahead a couple of years, but Bowden will not want to come to Provo when he is rebuilding and BYU is stacked--which will be the case next year.
Realistically, this hole will be filled by a lower-level MAC school or a CFS school looking for a big pay-day.
UCLA at home is also on the schedule.
Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV and SDSU will be the conference home games.
And oh, yea. BYU already has a cupcake on the schedule...Utah State in Logan.
Someone like Florida will not come to Provo for one game only. They don't have to.
Florida State is scheduled to come to Provo in 2010 and may be willing to move the date ahead a couple of years, but Bowden will not want to come to Provo when he is rebuilding and BYU is stacked--which will be the case next year.
Realistically, this hole will be filled by a lower-level MAC school or a CFS school looking for a big pay-day.
Little food for thought | 6:31 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Weber State plays Hawaii and Utah next year.
CougarBlue | 7:57 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
You thing Bronco will break for UCLA, gimme a break. There were schools offering
Edwards big bucks and even one or two NFL teams. He knew the value of working
at the Y and stayed. I see that in Bronco also. This is a unique place to work.
I believe his salary with school payments and supporters is close to $1 million dollars. I don't see Bronco as an Urban Meyers, here for a year or two and outa here. I think he wants to finish what he has started.
His firesides tell me a lot about the other side of Bronco and that would not take place at other schools.
As far as the PAC 10, forget it. It ain't going to happen. Lived in Southern CA for e35 years and the PAC 10 said they have never ever considered expanding to include BYU or Utah.
Live in reality, not a dream world.
I believe his salary with school payments and supporters is close to $1 million dollars. I don't see Bronco as an Urban Meyers, here for a year or two and outa here. I think he wants to finish what he has started.
His firesides tell me a lot about the other side of Bronco and that would not take place at other schools.
As far as the PAC 10, forget it. It ain't going to happen. Lived in Southern CA for e35 years and the PAC 10 said they have never ever considered expanding to include BYU or Utah.
Live in reality, not a dream world.
manly | 9:07 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Hey,
I just moved to Florida and stopped in three other states on the way. Found Versus in evey single city.
Actually, Versus is really big out here in the South. I watched the BYU-TCU game in Atlanta and watched the BYU-UTAH game in Miami. They get it here on their regular channels. What they don't get is cstv or the Mountain. CSTV is in the premium packages.
So as a conference, we actually get far more exposure and games than with ESPN, it's just not the quality of the Big Broadcast GIANT.
However, mark my words, Versus will be on ESPN's level in 5-7years and you'll see alot more PAC 10, BIG 12 games and even some SEC games coming into the mix since CBS is involved. The poor MWC will theen be on the bottom of the totem pole again.
The`real problem is taking away the local FREE package away from the local viewers or watching EVERY single game on the schedule.
I just moved to Florida and stopped in three other states on the way. Found Versus in evey single city.
Actually, Versus is really big out here in the South. I watched the BYU-TCU game in Atlanta and watched the BYU-UTAH game in Miami. They get it here on their regular channels. What they don't get is cstv or the Mountain. CSTV is in the premium packages.
So as a conference, we actually get far more exposure and games than with ESPN, it's just not the quality of the Big Broadcast GIANT.
However, mark my words, Versus will be on ESPN's level in 5-7years and you'll see alot more PAC 10, BIG 12 games and even some SEC games coming into the mix since CBS is involved. The poor MWC will theen be on the bottom of the totem pole again.
The`real problem is taking away the local FREE package away from the local viewers or watching EVERY single game on the schedule.
SS | 10:34 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
Reading comprehension, people.
The author was clearly presenting the point of view that Nevada's breach of contract was made in favor of an easier schedule (whether or not that is true, I can't say, but that was the point of the article).
And P.S., it seemed pretty obvious to me - again by the author's context clues - that Bronco's statement about finding an easier schedule was sarcastic.
The author was clearly presenting the point of view that Nevada's breach of contract was made in favor of an easier schedule (whether or not that is true, I can't say, but that was the point of the article).
And P.S., it seemed pretty obvious to me - again by the author's context clues - that Bronco's statement about finding an easier schedule was sarcastic.
Nevada Alumnus | 11:13 p.m. Nov. 29, 2007
How far has the once proud program stumbled when you�re
being stiffed by Nevada?
This would have been a coveted game, oh say ten or twelve years ago. BYU is at best only a regionally recognized name.
Nevada had Nebraska this year and will have Notre Dame, Missouri, Florida State and other national notables in the next few years to help bring the program into the national stage.
This should be telling of the perception of the Mountain West and the program in Provo when you are snubbed for Grambling.
This would have been a coveted game, oh say ten or twelve years ago. BYU is at best only a regionally recognized name.
Nevada had Nebraska this year and will have Notre Dame, Missouri, Florida State and other national notables in the next few years to help bring the program into the national stage.
This should be telling of the perception of the Mountain West and the program in Provo when you are snubbed for Grambling.
Bob | 8:43 a.m. Nov. 30, 2007
Nevada would probably play at home and be seen nationally on ESPN, instead of
playing in Provo and only seen in a few Wasatch front homes. MWC teams always
rated higher when they reguarly appeared on ESPN or ESPN2. The higher rankings
of Boise State and Hawaii can be attribted to being seen nationally on a regular
babsi.
Edward | 10:39 a.m. Nov. 30, 2007
I agree with SS that Bronco's statement about scheduling "weaker"
teams was obviously sarcastic.
I'm not to sure about the effect of T.V., regarding Nevada, and the lack of coverage we get in this conference but can't feel that "any" team that comes to Provo is happy just being seen in a few neighborhoods. The Mtn. T.V. coverage is the real joke here followed by the conference school President's support of an obviously incompetent commissioner.
I'm not to sure about the effect of T.V., regarding Nevada, and the lack of coverage we get in this conference but can't feel that "any" team that comes to Provo is happy just being seen in a few neighborhoods. The Mtn. T.V. coverage is the real joke here followed by the conference school President's support of an obviously incompetent commissioner.
l | 2:32 p.m. Nov. 30, 2007
What if all the conferences were put in order based on Sagarin or a similar
ranking system, then each year the top team from one conference would trade
places with the last place team from the next conference. The BCS conferences
would get all the best teams, as everyone would have a chance to filter their
way up into them, so it would actually make sense to tie the big-money bowls to
them.
USU's last two games against NM and Idaho would have been very meaningful, since we'd be playing for who would get knocked down to the MAC. This year, Idaho would trade places with Bowling Green or CMU. Hawaii would replace UNLV in the WAC. BYU would trade places with Wisconsin in the Big Ten.
There would be issues with losing local rivalries and extended travel if most of the conference was far away, plus schedules couldn't be made as far in advance, so there are some things to work out. But don't tell me the current system is anywhere close to perfect.
USU's last two games against NM and Idaho would have been very meaningful, since we'd be playing for who would get knocked down to the MAC. This year, Idaho would trade places with Bowling Green or CMU. Hawaii would replace UNLV in the WAC. BYU would trade places with Wisconsin in the Big Ten.
There would be issues with losing local rivalries and extended travel if most of the conference was far away, plus schedules couldn't be made as far in advance, so there are some things to work out. But don't tell me the current system is anywhere close to perfect.
Oh how Quickly | 2:43 p.m. Nov. 30, 2007
How come none of you BYU fans can remember when you backed out of a Football
game in Logan four years ago? OH ya, because you can only see one side of
everything... this is part of College Football. I'm just wondering why you
all complain about playing an easier schedule next year than you did this year.
Give me a break... if you played in a decent conference you would be a middle of
the road program at best.
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