are a bunch of babies. They got lucky they won this year.
Utah may be sore losers but the whole reason this started is because BYU had to
be sore winners.
Why is it so wrong to share your personal feelings about your beliefs? We all
do it when we sing our National Anthem prior to a football game. We should be
grateful that Collie trusted us enough that he could share his feelings with us
and we would understand.
Elder Bednar once told one of his sons... Paraphrasing,"Whenever you
achieve something, remember that God gave it and you did NOT earn it."
I love the Cougars... but.Austin Collie seemed to have forgotten
what Elder Bednar's Dad once told him. Paraphrasing..." When you
achieve something, remember that God gave it and that you did NOT earn it."
Utah fans are "fully INFESTED" with greed, spite, jealousy and pettiness. Grow
Not everyone commenting on this article is from Utah. Second not everyone living
in Utah is from Utah. Half of BYU is from out of state and a majority of U of U
is not from Utah as well. So to simple Judge people is wrong. Just a
personal thought I dont think BYU students or Athletes relize that not everyone
in Utah is mormon. Especially in Salt Lake Area. So when someone makes a comment
like that I could see how people who are not LDS could take offense. I think
sometimes people at BYU give the church a bad image to non members in that state
of Utah " Salt Lake County" as an example. Salt Lake County has Million people
and less that half or LDS. Since Majority U of U fans are prob not LDS I could
see how this could be taken offense to a lot of UTE fans because they are not
mormon.I'm not pointing fingers at anyone I can just see how people
are getting offended by this..
I study at the U but I like the Cougars better. I am also a happy member of the
LDS Church. However, Austin Collie's remarks were unnecessary. My home teaching
companion is in the Utah football team and is one of the most faithful LDS
members I know, "on and off the field." The fact that his team lost does not
mean that God did not "step in" in favor of them and "take part in it". For all
I know God loves both teams and rewards people in different ways. I agree with
an IN Salt Lake City article referring to the "celestial arrogance" of immature
BYU students. They can acknowledge God in their victories, but not in a way that
suggests they are favored because they are better people than others.
As Austin will be translated soon, this is all a moot point.Let's focus on
I can't believe this is still such a big issue. I am a student at the U. As
such, I was not offended by the comment at all. I have no doubt players on both
teams say many prayers and try to be good people. Everyone has the right to his
or her own opinion. Collie gave his opinion, got plenty of flack...isn't there
something else to talk about now? Seriously?
Austin, As a good family friend of the Collie's I could not help but write and
let you know of our support for you! I am so sorry that you have to put up with
all these crazy Utahns. Your comment may have not been the best choice,
especially in a place like this crazy state where everything is blown WAY out of
proportion, but now you know right?? Just know we love you and are on your side
and to FORGET about all these negative idiots on here. They are a bunch of low
life's with nothing better going on!! Keep doing what you do and know you are a
wonderful person. We support you %110 percent. This will all blow over soon
enough. Much love!
I think everyone who is sticking up for Collie is missing the point of the
criticism. They are not attacking him for recognizing God, they are attacking
him for implying God favored his team and determined the outcome of the game. I
don't thing anyone cares he mentioned God. Another point is I am not sure BYU
is doing what is right on the field though. Lots of cursing, personal fouls,
and taunting. For claiming to be the Lord's school/team whatever they sure
behave poorly and give your church a bad reputation. I know Utah does it too but
they are not claiming devine intervention because they are doing what is right.
I HATE byu more than most, but this is getting to be a JOKE!!! Listen to games
on any week-end and you see players in EVERY sport say, "First of all, I'd like
to Praise God"....and then imply that that is why they are being interviewed.Collie, I hope you guys lose your bowl game, I hope you lose every game
next year, but YOU ARE RIGHT. You do good things "on and off" the field and in
life...GOOD THINGS HAPPEN!!!Call it karma, "what goes aroung, comes
around" ort whatever you want...YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!
I would just like to thank all those who left comments that they choose not to
go to BYU as It made room for the rest of us and as I see it that was divine
Collie's comments revealed a sincere belief that he holds and that a majority of
LDS members share.But it is a wrong-headed idea. As such, BYU
Student's suggestion to "keep it to yourself" is a disingenuous approach. All
you are saying is that it is OK to be arrogantly self-righteou as long as you
keep it to yourself!?That combines the sin of arrogant,
self-righteous pride with the sin of being subtly dishonest.That is
NOT what Jesus would do!
Thank you BYU Student!!!!!!!!! Your comment was right on the money!! Whether or
not Collie should be allowed to say what he wants, or whether or not his comment
was nothing more than a profession of his faith, he represents BYU and the
Church. There are people out there LOOKING FOR OFFENSES, hence all the more
reason to avoid giving them a reason to be offended. When it comes to rivalries,
the media and the opposing teams are always looking for fuel for the fire. The media wants this to be "THE HOLY WAR", which is yet another way to
create divisiveness and improve readership. Let's keep the rivalry to SPORTS and
not religion.....PLEASE!!!!!Our church leaders are constantly
seeking for ways to quell divisiveness between us and other groups. We should do
the same, after all, many U students are LDS.
everyone except ute fans know that calling BYU the "lords university" and
pretending like he favours our team is nothing more than a ploy to get you all
riled up! and oh how fun it is to see you react!
Hey stop crucifying Collie for his comments. He spoke his mind and stood by his
take. Only Austin can account for how he is living his life and nobody else. If
he feels like God helped him perform up to his potetial in that game who is to
say otherwise. I know that many of us in school, sports or simple presentations
have asked for help from a higher being and received it. No matter what faith
you belong to, there is an ideal that good actions return good results and bad
actions result in bad consequences. It is called kharma. My personal opinion is
that God doesn't care who wins or loses but he does care how people live their
lives and blesses all his children in some degree or another. The score still
reads 17-10 and if God really does determine the outcome based on how players
and fans are living their lives, then some players and students need to set down
their bong and start living their respective religion.
thanking god and/or mentioning their righteousness when they win, how 'bout
someone blaming god or confessing how sinful they are when they lose? One
implies the other, period. This is what the young Mr Collie (who has a lot of
growing up to do, IMO) and all the self-righteous BYU "fans" fail to realize (or
refuse to admit) when they just can't figure out why people would be upset. As
a related side note, I honestly think there is an undercurrent of belief among
some BYU "fans" that Gary Crowton, et al, brought down the "righteousness" level
of the team and that god punished them as a result.
So the kid has some Faith, good for him. But, thinking that God favors one
team, or an athlete over another is ridiculous! God does not care about the
outcome of sports, or entertainment. It erks me to hear celebrities and
athletes praise God for helping theM win an oscar or a title.. Just say thanks
and walk away.. haha4TH AND FREAKING 18.. PREVENT DEFENSE IS WHAT
LOST THE UTES THE GAME, NOT GOD OR WANNABIE GANGSTA WHITE BOY COLLIE..
you guys are killing me...if you want to go there then refs totally missed the
offensive holding call on the 4th and 18 play. It should have been called by the
refs as "offensive holding by GOD on B. McCain".
Collie is totally wrong. God looked down and saw the scared defender and the
clueless UofU Coaches and realized no help was needed.
If Collie means that he's thankful that God has blessed him with the
opportunities and skills that he has, and was therefore a part of that play,
that's fine. But the timing of his remarks, as well as what he actually said,
made it sound as if he MAY actually believe that God made sure that the U lost
containment, blew the coverage and BYU won, because of his righteousness. That
is, as Collie put it, "BS."I really do think that he had the former
thought in mind, and I certainly hope so. Otherwise, as an active, card
carrying, mission serving, BYU hating member of the LDS Church, I am really
bothered by what he said.
I agree that Collie is way off base. When we look around at the world events of
Saturday, I think a football game ranks low on the scale of what the "Lord" was
paying attention to. Collie new exactly what he was talking about when he made
the comments. If the "Lord" helped him get open, does that mean the "Lord" made
the Ute defender blow his assignment? Maybe the reason why BYU has such a
terrible bowl record over the years is because the "Lord" is on Christmas
Re: BYU STUDENTYou're the man, I agree 100%
I'm also a typical BYU person, trying to do my best on and off the other field
(baseball). I hope that it's typical of all you Yewts as well. It sure isn't
typical of many atheletes any more (and yes they do succeed in their sport
still). I think I'm better than you as well! Ha! How do you like that!? I'm
better than anyone who doesn't see things the same as I do! Hey, we sound
Typical BYU person, thinking they are better than the rest. Guess what Mormons
are not above everyone and god will not treat you any better!!!! God will look
at how you treated people, not that you went to BYU or that you were mormon. God
does not make poeple make touchdowns!!!
I believe that the emotion behind the "Collie" bashing has diminished many
bashers' logical capabilities. First rule of logic is that of "charity." Charity
is idea that a word may have more than one meaning, therefore a sentence may
have multiple interpretations. For a statement to be argued against you must
take the words or sentences in context of the speaker's intent. You must use
the speaker's definitions or meanings not the definition that you wish that he
had "implied" for the sake of your own motives. The first rule is based on the
idea of understanding before attacking. Most of the bashing seems based on an
all too common twisting of Collie's intent. Although it's already been
stated a number of ways, I'll say it again: one should look at his or her own
motives before "casting stones".
335 comments. You have got to be kidding me. He simply said he prepared and
the Lord blessed him. He never put down any other player on the team. He never
said the others didn't prepare or go to the Lord for help. He just said what
has happened to him. Many of you need to get a life and quit being so angry.Quite complaining about the mote in a person's eye, when you have a beam
in your own.
Collie is right.
It comes down to this, Yes many athletes thank God for giving them strength or
whatever and that is good, but I have never heard an athlete say that god
blessed him because he was living right on and off the field, because that gives
credit to the player for living right not God. Leave your own personal life out
of it and give all the credit to God and that is what most athletes do. Its
funny how BYU fans are so quick to come down on the utes coach for an onsides
kick even after he said he was sorry. but now BYU fans are so quick to get
defensive about Collie who has no intentions of saying he is sorry, but just
tells everyone to get a life, and that this is all BS.
OK. I don't think Collie actually meant to imply that he or BYU were more
righteous than Utah, but the comment was terrible. It made me cringe. Even
worse was his combative response. I love BYU, and I'm a big
football fan, but it's no joke that we're hated by a lot of people because we're
perceived as self-righteous. Whether it's true or not (and as much as it pains
me to say, it is true a lot of the time (which drives me crazy)) we need to be
especially careful not to be this way or come off this way. Just
because you believe something, it doesn't always need to be said. Maybe Collie
thought God did help with 4th and 18, and he definitely thought his critics
needed to get a life, but THERE'S NO NEED TO SAY ANY OF THAT STUFF. Please BYU
people, just keep that junk to yourself. You're not doing me or any of the
other normal BYU people any favors. Instead of saying "everyone else thanks
God so it's OK," we need hold ourselves to a higher standard or else the stigma
is never going to go away.
As a Utah fan who was upset by the loss I still have to say that I don't
believe Collie meant to offend anyone. He could have phrased his comment more
wisely, but in the heat of the moment, that's just how it came out...and he is
fresh of the mish! However it has been my experience in talking with many
byu fans, including several in my own family, that they truly believe byu wins
because it's the "lord's school." This type of attitude puts me off. And
anyone who thinks so needs to put their pride in check. It's football for
crying out loud! And Utah fans...the game is over, move on and let's just
mentally prepare for the next match up ok?
Good for you Austin, I salute you, and stand behind you 110%!!! Everyone else
can take a hike, if you don't like what he said, get over it, or lose your
guilty conscience! Get off the kids back.
Wow, I can't believe all the blogs being written about this incident. I
question Collie for why he even said what he did. Examples of players thanking
God and making the sign of the cross, or pointing their finger towards the
heavens do not make the implications that Collie did when he said..." if you do
what's right on and off the field." To me that says that if you are doing
what's right off the field in your personal life, God will help you on the
football field. Who cares which team won, that doesn't matter. But with his
comment, I think it was taken as a personal insult rather than someone speaking
out about his faith. I don't say that about my fellow workers yet God plays a
role in all our lives if we let Him. It amazes me to read the blogs
from the Deseret News articles. If its about Mitt and his faith there may be a
100 comments. If its about religion it may be 100 comments. But if its sports
and religion, over 350 comments. After further review, I think I better get a
This is a perfect example why this state is so lame. It always comes down to
religion with everything nobody can just shut their mouth and keep their beliefs
to themselves like they should. You take something as good as Byu-Utah drag it
in the mud and bring religion into it. Just another reason I will be moving back
out of Utah grow up people stop gossiping and judging people for religious
As a BYU fan I still have to say that Austin was wrong to say what he said. When
you are an athlete in the spot light you always have to measure your words
before speaking. If Austin actually believes that the Lord steps in and helps a
team based on their "righteousness" I guess that is his right - even though most
don't accept that idea including most of his fellow BYU team mates. I would bet
that most of the other BYU players wondered "what the heck are you thinking
Austin". Like it or not, this is an issue when make some sort of self righteous
comment like that and it is better to just keep it to yourself.
To:Western Sport LDS fan, and Utah supporter. Look at the comments made from the
Utah Players after the successful defeat of Pittsburgh in the Arizona Tostitos
Bowl when coach Meyer was at Utah. The Utah players were making similar comments
after their win. I was at the game as a BYU Fan Rooting for Utah, and loved the
execution of the Utes. "They Dominated the team from Pitt because they were
better prepared." Austin's success comes from principles taught at home and in
the church. Amen Austin
Shame on Sorenson and the local sports radio hosts for even making this an
issue. John Lund on the manly morning show would not get off the subject. I
finally changed the radio station. I came back an hour later, and he was still
on it. He made it an issue. I think much less of him now than I did before.
Austin,That was a very good game, Thank you for giving credit were it was
due. The example you set for my kids is very much appreciated, I wish we had
more people like you, willing to stand up for what they believe in. Your
comments allowed us to have another great dinner conversation with our kids.
To C: I interpret Collie to mean he did not mean offense and anyone taking
offense should have better things to do in life, in other words "get a life".A couple of thoughts come to mind.1) Gods wrath is kindled
against those who do not acknowledge his hand in ALL things. I interpret that
to include football as well, although not necessarily outcomes, but in
individual performance.2) The purpose of the article is to create
controversy (or contention), after all it makes money. I believe nothing good
comes from contention. In fact it is widely believed that the devil is the
source of contention.Who, in this case, is doing the devils work?
Surprising this is coming from the DMN.looking at the game with
blinders on only makes for frustration, do you not have something better to do
with you lives?
If i were a ute defender, i'd try to blame divine intervention too. How else do
you explain the utes forgetting how to guard the best player on the most
important play two years in a row????
As a BYU fan, I wonder why some Mormons blow criticism or differing points of
view out of proportion and make it sound as if this is Mormon bashing? I've
heard numerous athletes and coaches of all races and backgrounds excoriated on
sports radio talk shows (Jim Rome, JT the Brick, Mike & Mike) for invoking
similar attitudes. Cut the persecution complex and grow up. Collie could have
easily defused the situation in his follow-up interview if he wanted the issue
to go away.
Enough said... we can all stop the debate now.
I know Austin Collie. He's a great kid, from a great family, and who does his
best to live his religion. His comments were nothing more than a way of
thanking the Lord for helping him reach his potential during the game. I hear
the same kind of thing all the time in post game interviews and it's never a
story. What this is, is another example of the state of Utah's hysteria over
religion--particularly from those that oppose the Mormon faith or who are
hypersensitve of the Church's influence. It's bigotry in another fashion. Good for you Austin--for thanking God to begin with and for standing up
for your beliefs when attacked. The rest of you should heed Collie's advice and
get a life!
Fischer does the same thing last year in the Jazz playoffs and we all admire him
--- well, maybe Golden State fans did not think God had helped the situation.
But, we all did. Collie said or did nothing wrong. I admire his faith (faith
is an action verb) and then giving credit to God.
You Utah Mormons are a strange bunch. You send missionaries - like Austin - all
over the world telling people that they need to join your church and obey God's
commandments (do the right thing) they will be blessed. (As I understand it
those blessings apply generally to this life and the next life.) Then one of
your own comes back from having delivered that message in South America and
tells you that he thinks that that formula has helped him in his life -
including this game - and you villify him for it. I would have thought you
would be proud of the success of one of your own . . .. Strange bunch.
Reporters are in the business of selling newspapers. Controversy sells papers.
Its the oldest ploy in the newspaper business, and we've all been caught by this
story, like a dumb carp.
Aren't you making your comments through Red Goggles? Thats the reason Cougar
fans don't like many Ute fans like you. Have a nice day.
RE: Don't Persecute Me. I will use small words so you will
understand. I like my Blue Goggles! This is America. I have the right to wear
whatever color of eyewear I choose. I will not stoop to your level by making a
hasty generalization about moronic Ute Fans (Not all of them, just the folks
This story is a non-issue, or should have been. The prophet Isaiah warned of
people who would, "make a man an offender for a word" (Isa 29:21). Brigham Young once stated that, "He who takes offense when no offense was
intended is a fool."The world could use more men like Austin Collie,
and less men that take offense where none was intended.
I've always thought God had a sense of humor. I'll bet he/she thinks this one
is pretty good.
Isn't it funny that Collie trys to play the race and religion card in a place
like Utah County. What a joke! Collie shows real maturity in his response by
calling the whole thing B.S. and try to get Cougar sympathizers like the people
on this blog to stick up for him. There is a reason why Ute fans like me don't
like BYU and it's because of athletes like Collie and the cougar fans that can't
take criticism. Take the Blue Goggles off ... now.
If you just think about it, if he were a member of some other religion he would
not get as much heat!And because he is standing up for what he beleives
in, I am proud of him as an LDS member!
Get a life Get a life Get a life!!!
Well, I feel a bit sheepish. Evidently, I need a logic refresher myself. In my
previous post I ignored this logic rule:IF A THEN Bmeans
thatIF NOT B THEN NOT ASo, if Collie truly was saying "You
live righteously, you're gonna win", then he would also be saying that "You
don't win, you must not be living righteously."Anyhow, I stand by my
original analysis: Collie acknowledged that as he does his best to follow the
Lord, then the Lord blesses him and helps him accomplish great things.Collie did not make a sweeping statement like "Hey, you live right, you'll win
(and therefore, if you lose, you must not be living right)."
hey im a ute fan, but i agree with collie. let it rest
I am (was) a KFAN listener. I'm a Jazz fan and often listen to the games on
KFAN. After the BYU/UTAH game I had my car radio tuned to KFAN. I was
disappointed in the commentators. Come up with something worth while; that
reflects what a great game it was. Not, "lets try and make this athlete appear
bigoted." 1280 it is for me.
It's true. If he were from another school and were black, or jewish, or any
other ethnicity, or denomination he would be praised, not ridiculed. It floors
me how so many will say mormon's are intolerant of other people and yet face
some of the most intolerant comments and people against them. Apparently the
media was really lacking for a story if they had to beat this one to death.
So, If I understand this correctly, A football player mentioned his personal
religious beliefs in an interview, and a significant portion of those who heard
the comments are offended, and demand an apology?I'm not sure that I
understand why he should apologize or retract his statements. Aren't they his
personal beliefs? If an individual United States Citizen has an opinion, I
thought that they were free to express it.For what it's worth, those
who are offended are either biggoted or just have a bad case of sour grapes
because their team lost a game.
Give it a rest people... All he meant by the comment was that the cheap call
from the 67 yard TD called back was given "Karma" by never giving up. That was
all the kid was saying and everybody blew it out of proportion. He was trying to
apply the "Lesson" and "Example" to a real to life scenario was all he was
saying. Get over it people!!! The Lord watches over those who keep their nose to
the grindstone and work hard (have faith and don't give up no matter what), that
was all he was saying. Anyone trying to put more into it than what he actually
meant, SHAME ON YOU!!! He was excited, he was asked about a big play and he said
quickly what he thought, and you all get on a kid for saying what he felt, but
it didn't exactly come out the way it should have been understood by the public.
For me I really do believe that BYU is God's favorite school. There!HAHAHA
Then where is the love? You got mormons Tazing mormons, now fighting over god.
Over a kid's game where the players get a king's ransom!
I was getting my hair cut in Tokyo, Japan earlier today and you know what was
being discussed? Yep, Collie's remarks. Most of the Japanese took
offense to what he had to say and were lamenting the fact that the Japanese lost
to the United States in World War II, not because of poor preparation, but
because the United States had too many "darn" Mormons living right, while Japan
didn't have one.I also talked to my friend in Iraq and by golly,
this Collie issue was the topic of choice there as well. They really believe
that those "righteous" Mormons are the reason Sadam was ousted from power.Beware BYU . . . the world is listening to your every comment!
austin is one of my buddies. he is not a holier than thou guy. he is however a
bigger faster and stronger than you guy the kid is a physical freak and a heck
of a reciever.......let him thank god if he wants...tons of athletes do
it........let the fans from a mountain west team that has beat byu in the last
two seasons cast the first stone .................oh wait i forgot.......
Collie is absolutely right. Religious bigotry is doing well in Utah. If he
were not a Mormon, no comment would ever be made. Disgusting, PERIOD.
Charles, you said..."It also is pretty clear that God doesn't help any
particular team at the exclusion of other teams since no team always wins." What about the UNDEFEATED 2004 UTES??? Maybe Collie could enlighten us
about their season?
"I wouldn't say it was lucky. We executed the play well. We should have had
another one (TD). Obviously, if you do what's right on and off the field, I
think the Lord steps in and plays a part in it. Magic happens."What
does this statement have to do with BYU, LDS Church or anything else? Seems like someone is making a store out of nothing.
and the majority is finding every excuse for Collie's stupid statement. The
posts in here are pointing to one fact and one fact only: the majority of DN
readers are BYU Fans.The law of the harvest logic being thrown
around in here is very weak. There are posts comparing Collie's catch and
remarks to a heart surgeon practicing medicine. IT IS HILARIOUS!!I
lived in the religous deep south for a number of years and been to plenty of
football games. A remark like Collie's would've been frowned just as much in
Oxford, Mississippi as it was in SLC. BYU fans have always been
thin-skinned and defending Collie brings up all the old arguments they use when
someone is bagging on one of their players. The biggest of which is "if this
wasn't a BYU player nobody would care". I live in Tucson and went
to the barbershop today and believe or not Collie's remarks were being
discussed. Most of the patrons took offense and were joking that the Wildcats
lost to the Y this season not because of poor coaching but because BYU had too
many Mormons living right on their team while Arizona only had two.
Utah had a great year despite all the injuries and adversity that they had to
face. The players, fans, and staff all were blessed because of how they live
their lives. I truly believe this. Utah will get a bowl game due to their hard
work and blessings. I hope Utah blows out their bowl opponent and continued
success except against BYU of course. I hope BYU and any other MWC bowl team
does the same.
I wonder if SS gets it? Why are you making an issue when one doesn't exist.
Austin Collie made a statement about how God rewards those who do right -- he
didn't say anything about his school, his religion or anything else. This
statement could just as well have come from a Ute player on an occasion when
they win.This item needs to die because it is not an issue. It is
only one in the minds of those who want to be offended. Hear that SS?
Good show austin. it's nice to hear someone actually speak their mind. a
career in politics is due.
Okay, we've heard enough and Collie is awesome. He is blessed and his comment
was no different than every NFL football player that bows his knee in the
endzone to say a prayer of thanksgiving after every TD he scores.So let's
just wrap this session up and move onto the next stupid controversy that PK and
Gordie Monson drum up so they can save their jobs.
GO AUSTIN COLLIE!!!
I'm sorry, I didn't try to imply everyones argument was incoherent and poorly
spelled... just your post. BTW, I am also a BYU fan, so I am not
offended by your "awesome" smack. I just didn't understand your
God really wanted BYU to win, and the Utes to lose, so he intervened?--or--That was the same move that Austin made down the right
sideline in the CSU game for his totally wide open touchdown and the Ute coaches
missed it in their preparation and had they prepared for the game by watching
tapes, they would not have left Austin Collie open and the Utes would have
won?Either way, Utah lost, BYU won, and it doesn't really matter
what Austin thinks, now does it.
Everyone defending Collie here just doesn't get it. The reason why most people
who aren't BYU fans don't like them is because of the 'holier than thou
attitude' that some of their fans display. Anyone who disagrees with that is
simply out of touch with reality. Granted, I know that alot of BYU fans ARE NOT
like this but perception is reality folks. There is a reason why BYU was once
named the most hated team in America, and having a winning program is not the
only reason. I think it's ridiculous when ANY athlete (black, white, muslim,
catholic) suggests that god plays a role in determining the outcome of a game.
But when you play for a religous school that people ALREADY have pre-conceived
notions about such as being 'self righteous' it certainly will only add fuel to
that fire when you make a statement such as he did. This is the difference. I
don't think Collie is smart ebough to realize this. He may not have meant any
harm by it, but it wasn't smart. By implying god was rewarding him on the field
for living a 'righteous life' what does that say about the losing team?
Disclosure: I'm a BYU fan and I thoroughly enjoyed the game.I agree
with Austin's original comments. I interpret them as an explanation of the Law
of the Harvest: if you obey the Lord's commandments, He will bless you. You may
have difficulties and problems, but the blessings eventually come. The
"blessing" may be one great play, where you accomplish something beyond your
potential, or when pieces just "fall into place". Maybe the "blessing" is having
the courage to overcome a tough lose and continue competing.Austin
did NOT say:1. If you live right, you will win every game2. If you
did not win, you must not be living right3. If you did win, you must be
living right, that is the only reason you will winTo the posters
saying Collie's statements imply that "losing means that you're not righteous" -
go take a basic logic class:IF A THEN Bis not logically equivalent
to these:IF B THEN AIF NOT A THEN NOT BI also agree with
Austin's rebuttal: if he was not a Mormon playing for BYU, this would be a
non-issue. Too bad his response was not more eloquent.
Spanky boy(re: sweet),You imply that your argument is more coherent
then the rest of us. It is exactly that kind of arrogance, and self
righteousness that makes me hate... Well it offends me. No, it really, really
hurts. Ooops, maybe I lost coherence. Umm...Scoreboard too!
If I didn't approve of you making that comment, and even if it went further and
said it offended me, would you take it back and let me script for you what I
thought it appropriate for you to say?I think Collie said what he
said, was given the option to explain it and retract, and explained it.It's what he said.Be angry, but he said what he said.
Repent U of U fans so we can beat the Y next year. Repent... repent... we need
to be more righteous than the Y. Repent!! I know some missionaries that can
help the team out and get you baptized!! REPENT!
Ok, so there's now like almost 300 comments on this article? Wow. I believe that
I speak for most of us here when I say, people are making a big deal out of
nothing at all, and that Austin Collie was simply overjoyed that he made a big
play, and he was grateful and felt that it was appropriate to thank God for his
success. His part about "when your doing what's right on and off the field" was
speaking in a general sense. Then all of the anti-BYU advocates start all of
this controversy about it. I can see how some Ute fans and anti-BYU people got
upset about the way they interpreted his comments, but I really don't feel that
it was directed towards them. So Austin responded the way that he did today
because of how "ridiculous" everyone else is being about it, and they seriously
are. Austin said what he said today because everyone who was offended by what he
said just set themselves up for it. So I understand both sides, but for real,
it's not something to get so worked up about.
"Holy War" tells you all you need to know. For every holy team there is an
unholy team, you know, good and bad in all things. Why do you think the Utes are
Freedom to exercise your religion, freedom of speech and the press.Mike Sorensen postulated and basically said that Mr. Collie did not have these
first ammendment rights.Sounds sort of funny, a reporter trying to
editorialize and censor a source.
The fact is that by saying what he did when he did (right after being asked if
he was lucky to make the play), Collie brought this on himself. A player
pointing to the sky or an actor thanking God for his success is very different;
Collie's comment and it's timing suggest that the Lord stepped in to make the
Utes lose. I can see why he thinks the over reaction is ridiculous, but at the
same time I don't approve of him making the statement at that time. If he wanted
to thank God in an interview he should have brought up his injury and been
grateful for a full recovery.
The christians, stoning each other!
CTR- collie did own his comments. he didnt chage what he said, he has a point.
if he was a player at another university it would have been awesome that a young
talented person gave credit to god. if a ute player would have said the same
thing it would have been funny becuse he would hve been snubbing BYU. i think
one of your players would have thanked god but i forgot, you lost. i never get
tired of listening to ute fans cry after their team loses. instead of worying
about collie, you should worry about your team getting burned on 4th and forever
in a bowl game. again.
years ago coach croton commenting on the holy war reminisced about coaching a
BC/NotreDame game. he saw the priests on one side praying fo ND and the
Jesuites praying for BC and said to himself God isn't here - he's at the BYU
They used to say that they didn't finish putting the roof on the top of the
Dallas Cowboy Stadium so God could watch his team play.Just glad it
was said in Texas so as not to offend any hypersensitive Ute fans.
Before I take your "offense" and become offended, could you type your theory in
a coherent statement, so I could then decide if I am offended or not.Thanks a bunch there spanky...
If you have ever meant to say something - and it came out a little differently
than you intended - THEN GET OFF OF COLLIE"S BACK. It is amazing to
me how people interpret what Collie said according to THEIR OWN AGENDA.Collie has said, in no uncertain terms, that he WAS NOT saying God determined
the outcome of the game - period. Enough said.I find it amusing how
many U fans play the "self-righteous" card when it comes to BYU. How self-righteous is it to take a comment by Collie, a 21 or 22-year old,
place your own spin on it, and then accuse not only Collie, but ALL BYU fans of
being self-righteous - because of the spin you put on the comment??? Not only is it hypocritical, but it is SELF-RIGHTEOUS to the nth degree - and
all because you are upset that you lost a stupid football game!I
think there are a lot of people who are willing to throw Collie under the bus,
not because of what he said, but in an effort to get the upper hand in a
"football rivalry".Pretty pathetic.
What a waste of precious breath and time. Like many other previous writers
here, I have literally heard many hundreds of such comments by players in a
variety of sports in Arkansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas, Washington, etc. I
have never heard of anyone complain until Collie's comment Saturday. I love all
the mind reading that has been spewed out by the media and some individuals.
This is nothing more or less than very thinly disguised Mormon bashing or Mormon
(irrational)defensiveness. I sometimes think there are a few LDS folks would be
agreeable (and even apologetic) if there was a groundswell of non LDS public
opinion to run Mormons out of Salt Lake City or Utah. I think Austin's reaction
is accuarate: "Get a life" and move on to something that is really important.
If you don't like Collie's or any other athlete's faith based comments, don't
like and don't like it for decades if you want but shut up and focus on cleaning
up or keeping clean and pristine your own verbalizations.
What's all the fuss about? In the medical profession (and I'm sure many
others), people ask for help from the Lord daily. Russell M. Nelson has told
the story of being inspired in his work as a heart surgeon. If it's ok to
receive inspiration in these circumstances why would it not be ok for anyone in
any other profession receive or expect inspiration? I'm sure that Austin prays
daily for guidance in his academic endeavors, and I think it's only right for
him to pray for the same on the field. Just like studying for a test, if you
put forth a good effort and study hard you can expect help from the Lord to
remember the things you've studied. Austin, and I'm sure other athletes at
other schools can expect the same in regards to athletics. If they work hard
and practice right (live right on the field), they can expect help in
improving/magnifying their talents. Austin feels that he has been helped in
regards to football, and I have no problem with him sharing that feeling(or any
other athletes from doing the same). I know it makes me better in my profession
when helped from above.
Bottom line, people love to be offended. "I'm offended", "I'm hurt" especially
Mormons. Offence is like Mormon beer. The more the merrier, I guess. Austin
offended us, thats why we "hate BYU". etc, etc, It is so funny, so Utah.
Listen, folks, I hate to be the barer of obviousness but if you are offended YOU
CHOSE TO! and if you HATE someone or something YOU CHOSE TO. It is simlply an
only because you are a hatefull, take offence full person. Unless I missed the
"control others course" growing up. You control your own emotions, thoughts,
feelings. So at least preface your hate and intolerance by saying: " I like to
be offended, I chose to hate BYU. Here's one guy that thinks it is
soooooo funny that you have rendered such power to us. We control you I guess,
and who you like and who you hate. Sweet. Here's one: Be sad and mad all year
about BYU's Magic!HA HA HA HA, do you hate me now? offended? sweet!
How is Austin Collie recognizing God in something he did successfully and
different from an actor thanking God at an awards ceremony?I am a
mormon. I am not offended or embarrassed by what Collie said. Sometimes the
if you believe the Lord answers prayers, he answered mine when Max and Austin
hooked up on that play, and Harvey Unga punched it into the endzone, and then
Austin and Max hooked up again. Way to go cougs!!!!
Did the young faithful Austin really respond to his 'my team is more righteous
than your team' comments by saying, "I really think it's because I'm a Mormon
white kid from Brigham Young University"...What a tough cross to bear
being a white Mormon on full ride scholarship in a city that's 99% white. I
cannot believe he is naive enough to pull the persecution card. Act like an
adult and own your words. God doesn't win football games. Why do you have such a
hard time admiting you have darn good team and were fortunate enough the utes
can't play defense in the last 2 minutes of a game.Choose The Red-
Remember the year of the Doink? Utah fans were dancing in the stands. A chip
shot field goal is all that Utah needed to beat BYU. The snap, the kick, the
ball sails end-over-end toward the north goal posts. All of Utah held its
collective breath. Then . . . Doink! The ball hit the goal post and fell
short. And who says God doesn't root for the Cougars??
After living in Utah for over 20 years and loving the quality of life here I
spent the last two years in the South (the Bible belt). There are many God
fearing people here and there. My children were able to find great friends with
high moral standards here and there. However the one thing I miss the most
moving back to Utah is the much more responsible and mature media.The Utah media is completely irresponsible and want nothing more than to
incite needless controversy to promote themselves.
read sorenson article today about Yewts BB coach and in state rivals. He quotes
Twitt about the Holy War being just another game. The clock counting down seems
to say other wise. But he knows exactly what Collies statement implied. Double
standard no doubt.
How ridiculous that anyone would think the Lord blesses them because they play
for BYU! There are LDS players on many teams around the country so who is the
Lord supposed to favor? I think officiating, preparation etc has more to do with
it. Keep your preaching away from the game. I am LDS but I don't think BYU is
favored over anyone because you live right. What about all your players who
aren't LDS who break the school's ethics code? Do you get punished for them? I
don't think so either. Now all we need is the testimony meeting like John Beck
ute fans and reporters "get a life"? are you crazy? will never happen.
What if he does think God helped BYU win the game? How's that any skin off of
No football fan outside of the mtn. viewing area cares either way about BYU or
it's football team. This whole thing is a none issue. Get over it. Get past
it. Move on.
I've read through all the comments and it seems that many people are agreeing
with Collie on one point. "Get a life." So am I to understand that simply
because someone disagrees with you or takes offense to something you've said,
that gives you the right to simply dismiss their feelings or their opinion? Or am I to understand that because a part of me was offended by Collie's
comments that I've become self righteous and closed minded? I think he could
have worded it differently. If he wants to thank God for allowing him to play
his best and help his team to victory, that's fine. In fact, I applaud him for
doing so.The moment he implies that the Lord rewarded his way of
living in the form of a football victory I lose all respect I may have had for
him. God does play a part in every aspect of our lives. However, he has better
things to do then care about the outcome of the "holy war."I am a
Ute fan and I will admit the better team won. I just hope next year players will
choose their words a bit more wisely.
One more thought.As a controversy, this is idiotic. This is a
non-issue. This is a kid saying something that almost everyone is
taking out of context, and then using their interpretation of the remarks to
bash the kid, his school and his church.After all, he is only 21 or
22. What did you expect, that everything he would say would be so well crafted
that no one would ever disagree with it?This whole thing is a stupid
and senseless controversy. To use it to bash a school or a religion is just
dumb and really intolerant. Cut the kid some slack -- don't you think he was a
little excited? And who doesn't get their back up just a little when attacked as
a result of someone's interpretation of what was said? Sheesh.It
just seems like someone wants to fuel a fire that shouldn't be burning at all.
I'm not in Utah, and truth is anyone outside the Utah-BYU rivalry wouldn't give
a darn about Collie's statements. I agree with him...if it bothers you then
"get a life" and get over it. Collie is a class act!
What if the Utes had won and a player on their team said the same thing? It
would be no big deal and this is also no big deal. I think Collie's
comment reflects his own view of his own performance. He felt assisted by a
higher power. Nothing wrong with that. I think the Utes got some divine help
when they scored their TD. Collie said he felt like he received
divine help. I think it is a great show of faith.
He didnt thank GOD, he didnt give god credit for helping them like the others
do... he basically said god helped him cuz of the way he lives his life. Where
have you EVER HEARD someone brag about the way they live their lives? Thats
where the problem was
We need separation of church and football. They are not like the armies of
Helaman. God did not, as Collie suggested "steps in and plays a part in it."
Lets be clear about something, and if you disagreee, you must be going to a
different LDS church than I go to: God may have given him swift legs, a strong
body, a smart brain, and a healthy attitude, which he should appropriately be
thankful for. He DID NOT, by anyone's religion, "step in" and make it so Collie
got open, caught the football, and caused him to score six points. This, God
did NOT cause to have happen and should not be given credit for it. Again, we need separation of church and football.
Genesis: "In the Big-inning, God created...."
BYU TO A BCS BOWL! UNLESS IT WOULD OFFEND ANY UTES. WOULD IT, YOU WOULDN'T BE
OFFENDED WOULD YOU. SORRY IN ADVANCE.
Well said xenith ... I agree with all the way
It's interesting that only those associated with the U of U are the only ones
who even bat an eye what Collie said. Out here in the real world, Collie's
comments are no different than any other deviout athlete, regardless of
religious affiliation. I think Utes are simply super-sensitive to this subject.
No one else is.
It's not necessarily Collie's comment that causes outrage. It's the simple fact
that the predominant religion in the state has people who preach that they are
the "chosen few." So any comment directly or indirectly made in this context
will cause a furor. SOME PEOPLE in our faith will never understand that while
unfortunate, WE ALL speak for our religion. It is a religion (like all) of God
but represented by the people. So when a few act like fools, something like
this gets blown out of proportion. Please remember this next time you act
superior to someone else's beliefs, or worse ostracize them from the "Members of
the True Church". It's up to each of you to promote goodness, not self
My goodness what a mess...Football is just a game, not life but many
of you seem to think it is.Was Collie right to think God has blessed
him to be successful in football? Yes, because he has been and thanking God for
it is natural. Even if thanking God during a post-game interview isn't viewed as
appropriate.The sad state of affairs in Utah(because I have lived
there)is that some of the locals just don't like us Mormons. They think, I
believe that we should keep our thoughts and opinions to ourseleves.They don't want to hear that we believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of
Lastter Day Saints is the kingdom of God on earth. Now I know that
this has nothing to do with football, but that is the brunt of the critcism we
as Latter-Day-Saints bear in all this.Now I have a testimony of the
Gospel of Jesus Chrsit and there are folks who will disagree with me. But that
is their problem, not mine.But no one wants to hear it publicly. The
reason why this probably won't be posted, right?But Austin has a
right to thank God for his blessings?
Coach Whit said something two years when the utes were 3-4 and faltering badly
in the 4th quarter of games. He was trying to figure out what the utes were
doing mon-friday that was translating into problems on Saturday. He
specifically wondered if his guys were "living right" and if that had anything
to do with their losing ways. He didn't have any proof of wrongdoing by his
players but he was speculating that something was up. I found it a
bit ironic after utah fans have balked at Austin's correlation of "living right"
and how the game turned out. Is their a direct correlation? No. However, it
sure seems Kyle and Austin were saying the same thing. I sure don't see much
This is an example of people fishing for news. Sports writers, columnists, and
bitter Utah fans that have nothing better to do than look for any excuse to call
BYU arrogant or self righteous. Get on with your lives Utah fans and start
looking forward to gymnastics season.
You people have no idea how stupid you all look on both sides of this little
arguement. Most of the writers in Utah are considered Hacks otherwise they
would be in a bigger newspaper coverage area. Noone in the rest of the country
even cares if a player thinks or beleives he was blessed by god. They
appreciate his humility for that moment. but seriously those of you who think
the cougs are more righteous get over yourselves. and you utes that are somehow
feeling so insecure you have to attack a college kid that has stronger beleifs
in god than you do also need to getover yourselves.
Maybe if he would have taken all of the credit for himself and his own abilities
and maybe even spoke about himself in 3rd person as some other athletes have
done, that would have pacified the world/critics. Give the guy a break, he is
very young and was just grateful. He said some things in an impromptu
interview, that he hadn't totally thought out. Live and Learn. Maybe Bronco,
the Master of Political Correctness, will give him a few pointers in the off
season... Read all you want to into his comments, but I don't think he was
trying to dog anyone, he was just expressing appreciation to God...
This was a well played game by two fine teams. BYU WON. Wow, still upset by
reference to Diety. Get over it bitter yewts!!!!P.S. HARLINE &
COLLIE ARE STILL OPEN!
How do we know God doesn't care about football? Go deep Peter, James and John.
I just think Collies remarks should have been done in private, between he and
his maker. He does make a good point in that religious overtones are shown by
other athletes all the time.
SHHH! Please don't anyone tell the yewts... HARLINE & COLLIE ARE STILL OPEN!!!
Honestly, how many times have you seen and heard a player from the south praise
God and thank Him for the ability to make the plays he did, which helped his
team win the game? I've heard it countless times. Why can't a Mormon say the
same thing? Can he not attribute success in his life to blessings from God? Is
that reserved for other Christians? Everyone needs to relax and realize this
happens after almost every football game. Collie should not be criticized for
making such remarks. I do not think in any way he meant that God wanted BYU to
win over Utah. Everyone just tried to make it sound that way to cause
It must be a difficult and frustrating life-CHOOSING to take offense at every
little comment out of everyone's mouth, whether they meant it to be offensive or
What a season to spend withfamily and friends. Snow outsideand
another MWC CHAMPIONSHIP!15 Straight CONF. VICTORIES!!and bent,
angry Utah Fans!!!oh and BYU hoops ranked andpowerful!!! Man it's
goodto be BLUE!!!GO BYU!!!!!wonder if we'll kill'em inbaseball too???
Get ready for a full Church offense in2008 Utah! Collie, Hall and
It is very obvious that "The Bubble" has initiated an orchestrated Collie
statement commentary! It was a dumb comment from AC and plays into the already
negative perception that BYU & Mormons are favored!!The Lord cares
about the individual but doesn't much care as to who wins a football game.
He's not at all saying that BYU is blessed for "living right". He said "on and
off the field", reffering to himself living right, and possibly including Max
Hall in the comment. He's free to say that "on and off the field" they are
giving 100 percent and being blessed for it (whether on the practice field or in
life). The backlash is due to over-sensitivity to spiritual issues. Think
outside the bubble of Happy Valley before over reacting to what the rest of the
world just calls "gratitude" to a higher power.Enough of this "Holy War"
talk. I cringe everytime they say that. Unless of course you're saying it's a
Good Vs Evil thing...then I'm with you! The Devil is red, people! Go Cougs!
No God doesn't care about football games. I asked Him and He said that He is
more into soccer. More of his children play that sport and like any good Father,
he tries to attend the games, but current events have kept Him busy at the
People including athletes of faith are:WINNERSWEALTHYLEADERSMENTORSICONSCHAMPIONS!!WAY TO GO AUSTIN!!!!!
The (over)reaction to Collie's comments about God is unwarranted. His original
comments were no different from other athletes who thank God for their success.
The worse that can be said is that maybe he should have considered that his
comments might be misconstrued or misunderstood, given that he represents
BYU.However, one thing does bother me about Collie's comments in
this article, and some of the comments from DesNews readers. I don't understand
what being white has to do with this, or why Collie and others felt the need to
mention that he's white and that his whiteness somehow affected public reaction.
This is silly, and shows how out of touch some people are about race. Does
anyone really think that the reaction would have been different if he had been a
Polynesian, black, or Hispanic RM playing for BYU? IMO, white athletes are just
as likely as others to thank God for helping them (just listen to Kurt Warner,
John Kitna, and many Latin baseball players). His comments seem to imply that
either non-whites get special treatment, or are more likely to invoke God than
whites are. This seems more insensitive (or ignorant) than anything he said
Great game. I wish I could have seen that play on TV instead of listening to it
on the radio. God doesn't care about football. He only cares about the way we
treat each other.
I want to disagree completely with BMan's comments about BYU students/fans
thinking they are better than Utes. I've lived in Utah for a long time, and I
have associated with hundreds of BYU and Utah students during that time. You might find 1 out of every thousand BYU students who actually thinks
he is morally or spiritually superior to Utah students solely because he goes to
BYU (intellectually is another matter -- most students will defend their
education and proclaim its superiority). On the other hand, you'll
find just as many Ute fans -- if not more -- who consider themselves superior to
BYU fans because they don't go to such a "narrow-minded" school.Both sides are obviously wrong -- people are people anywhere they are --And by the way, Austin wasn't saying BYU won because the Lord loves BYU
more than Utah -- so let's not act like we Utahns are all offended or ashamed by
his remarks because we're not. Bottom line is: who cares?
"God made me healthy, wealthy, pretty, smart and I get to win games because I
am righteous." ARROGANCE "I thank God for his blessings, I will
strive to do the right things." HUMILITY It's startling how many
"religious" people can't spot the difference. Might make a good sunday school
Congrats to BYU! You are the best team we played this year and yes even better
than OU. You won your conference(MWC) and we are in the Championship in C-USA. We wish you luck at SDSU and in Vegas. We are a better loss than UCLA
trust us we'd beat them good with their weak DBs!GO TULSA!!!!!
In the interview, Collie gave kudos to Max Hall, practice, play execution,
living right, the lord and magic as to the success of what has been coined a
miracle play. It seems strange to me to think that people are
treating this interview as self righteous and a mistake. The
reasoning against Collie is, IF living right and the lord favored
Collie on this play, THEN the lord loves Collie (BYU) and not the U. Does that mean Collie also thinks that the U has no magic, and does not
practice, is incapable of play execution? The reasoning suggests an
IF/THEN scenario. IF a coach after a win talks about all the
practice and hard work the team did the past week, THEN he must think the other
team sat around watching daytime TV. IF I thank the lord for my job,
THEN I believe people who didnt get the job are not loved by god. IF
I thank the lord for safe travel, THEN I believe all the people who got in
accidents where not loved by god. I must be self righteous. IF I
stop thanking god, THEN god will bless other people too.
A few thoughts: - Had Collie been at Notre Dame (let's pretend for a
minute that the team was actually winning games) and made a comment like that
after a USC game, he would have likely received the same criticism. Players at
religious schools are more like to be scrutinized for making comments about God.
(I can think of a few cases where comments by ND players were subjected to the
same scrutiny)- I will admit that when I firt heard Collie's comment, I
interpreted it as a holier than thou comment. Now I have no doubt that this
comment was not made with any malice or meant to be high-minded. However, the
religious arrogance that can be excerted by some mormons in Utah results in the
over sensitivity being shown in this case.- And finally, talent and hard
work may have helped BYU win that game, but God doesn't care about football.
I honestly think that Austin's comment had nothing to do with the fact that the
game was BYU vs Utah. I think that he was grateful for the fact that he had the
priviledge of making such a big play. It was 4th and 18, it wouldn't have
mattered who BYU was playing. Going back and reading the context of his answer,
it seemed to me like he was just thrilled with making the big play, and he felt
that such a wonderful blessing was God given. When he was scrutinized for his
comment, he was aware of why people responded the way they did. So, like myself,
being a BYU fan and a mormon, I think he's just sick and tired of people
criticizing us for everything we say and do.
We have taken some comments made by a young football player and turned them into
major reasons to hate:Austin CollieSports writersBYUBYU fansUUUU fansLDS Church membersAll those living in
UtahAll non-MormonsNo wonder there are so many wars around the
Austin should have spoken more carefully.It was right after an
emotional victory and in response to an unexpected question - he is young - I
suggest we all forgive him.Many who are piling on BYU as being self
righteous are still hurting over a very close loss. I understand that hurt as
it has happened to my teams as well. I suggest we all forgive them.Journalists have used this subject ad naseum to further their craft and
improve their ratings. They have kids to feed and perhaps now wish they would
have kept a better perspective. I suggest we all forgive them.Collie will hopefully learn.We as fans will hopefully learn.Local
Journalists will hopefully learn.
This is truly an amazing discussion and I can hardly believe the number of
comments it has generated. I for one am not one to respond to things like this,
but I'm making an exception here. Collie's comment reflects one of
the major reasons I want to send my 5 children to that school. I am proud to
hear someone like that is willing to openly speak about his faith. If Collie
walks his talk, that makes him a great example; one I will not hesitate to share
with my children and remind them it's possible to be successful while
maintaining your values.By the way, I feel pretty sad for those of
you who feel God doesn't care about football. I believe God cares about His
children being happy. I believe God wants us to and helps us accomplish our
personal goals. Of course things don't always go our way and there are reasons
for that, but I for one am grateful for that kind of faith.
Having grown up just outside of Provo as a church member, and having graduated
from BOTH BYU and Utah after serving a mission, I believe those who make
Austin's remarks appear benign and not unlike others talking or expressing their
religious beliefs are completely missing the underlying significance of his
words. The bottom line is that Austin's remarks offended and hurt many in this
state whether they are church members or not because his words bolster the very
real perception that many, but certainly not all, BYU fans feel (and sometimes
express ) they are intellectually, morally and spiritually superior to their
neighbors up north. Which, ironically, goes against the very tenants and
teachings of the religion and its cornerstone - Jesus Christ. Therefore, I
would hope Austin and others have learned something from this situation, but
judging from Collie's response that people need to "get a life" and others
responses above, I sadly don't think many have.
Mr Ungha needs to learn from Brother Collie. If only he were more righteous he
would have cought that pass. Maybe he can rectify that by next game. If BYU really wants to be righteous and win all their games Bronco needs to be
fired and replced by President Hinckley.
although I am adding to this problem, everyone from both sides has blown this
into a bigger issue then it needs to be. No matter where you come from your gong
to get bashed for your beliefs, sure Collie faced some critism but lets face it
he did kind of say it in an unfamiliar way to most other people, so of course
people are going to take it the wrong way. Now, for the people trashing Collie,
who cares he has the right to believe in God, and believe that God plays a role
in his life. He's one of the best receivers out there so who can really argue
with him if he wants to credit God for his success and not himself.
No matter what Collie said...How many MILLION times have we all heard guys
"thank God" or "I just believe my faith in Jesus helped me overcome" etc. etc.
etc. I remember what a big deal the reverend Reggie White was and he used to
say that kind of stuff non-stop. So saying that because he's a white kid at BYU
draws the attention - AMEN. And heck I'm an ex-mormon who hates the arrogance
of some. But it is no different than Evander Holyfield saying God played a hand
in his boxing win etc. etc. etc. And on and on and on!!!
The only part I think is hilarious is that Ute Fans are concerning themselves
with this. The Utes played a good game and came up short. Don't get mad at a
22-year old player because your team lost. Whether you agree with his comments
or not, why don't you keep your comments to yourself as that is what you are
telling him to do.
Whoa, he's right! If he were African-American and Baptist no one would've
thought twice. In fact, if he were himself in any other state, no one would've
thought twice. It's just a matter of everyone in Utah being overly sensitive
about the Mormon thing. Just more of that Us v. Them mentality that runs down
the Wasatch Front. Utahns relax!
How many have prayed for help on a test that they studied for hours for, and
expressed thanks when they did well on that test? Did God favor them more than
the kid that did poorly? Give me a break. He wasn't claiming that
he or BYU was better than the Utes. He was simply acknowledging that God helped
them to play to their abilities, to perform as they practiced. He's trying to
give some due credit to God. It wasn't a lucky play. They prepared for it. He
felt they blessed to perform to their abilities, and felt that the blessing came
as a result of living right. This is what every LDS member believes. Whether
it be a musical performance, job interview, test, or athletic event...
Most of you are a bunch of sore losers
So does that mean Austin and his team mates were naughty during the week of UCLA
and Tulsa? Or how about during the crowton years. People there is a
huge difference for thanking god for looking out for you not being injured or
thanking him for your gifts. Like it or not his word imply he was
more rightous on and off the field than his counterparts. Put down
the 44 oz Diet Coke and BYU pen and think about it.
Mr. "Westernsport and NY", you are the ones who are clueless! Austin Collie did
NOT say "I'm glad that the good Lord blessed me to be better than all the other
football players & that he helped BYU win the game".Are you saying
that The Lord does NOT bless those who work hard and asks for his help in all
things? Collie is merely saying what most of us who have been taught the gospel
have learned that if you do what is right and ask the almighty for help then in
many cases you will be blessed--as he feels was the case here. The
Lord doesn't just bless in spiritual things but if the almighty sees fit then he
will bless with temporal blessings as well. Collie has obviously been blessed
with great athletic skills and in this instance the concentration to catch that
great pass. If you don't believe that then you better brush up on the teachings
by going to church meetings more often.
The joke here is how long it took me to read all of these comments. What a
waste of time that was. I feel even worse about it that I'm now adding to all
of this. Visitor at 11:07 had it exactly right. Why is it ok for a ute player
to yell out "Where is your God now?" after scoring but wrong for a player to
acknowledge God after making a big play? Austin was simply
acknowledging that his God has given him the ability to play this game and that
by doing his best (both on and off the field) in his schoolwork, training, life,
etc. he has reeped blessings. Some of his blessings include speed and football
sense among others. He never said, nor do I believe, implied that BYU won
because their players are more righteous. To those of you that take such huge
offense at such a little thing really have some issues. I've seen many like you
that have left the church or other organizations by taking offense at little
issues over who said something. If you bishop states that his family is blessed
and prospering because he's doing his best to be......
I think the quote to remember is "Don't cast your pearls before swine!" Why is
it OK to pray to have help on a test, but not OK to pray to catch a ball? Why
is it OK to recognize God for your health or a good job, but not for the skills
that you have that helped you win a game? Obviously, Collie's only mistake was
sharing his pearls with swine. What does that say about those that dont like
It all depends on how you want to look at it. If you want Collie to be a self
righteous punk who thinks he is better than "Ute players" than you can make him
that. If you want him to be a humble, spiritual guy giving credit where it is
deserved, than so be it. We have all said something that can be taken the wrong
way, but the only person who knows what we were really trying to say is the
person who said it. I don't know Collie personally, but I would venture to say
that he wasn't trying to say that he was more righteous. I just love how we are
so quick to judge a person by one single comment that in most cases would be
considered a great comment. And then to generalize it and say, "that is why I
hate BYU Mormons". To me that is ignorance. Collie said it and it is over. What
his real feelings are, who knows. Don't make it into another reason to "hate BYU
Mormons". That is what is ridiculous.
This guy is obviously ridiculous! Yes Mr. BYU, God took time from all the
genocide in Sudan, the victims of the cyclone in Bangladesh and the horrible
conditions in Africa to ensure that BYU one a football game. Seriously! Step
outside of yourself for a minute...do you really think that you are that
important! You need to get a life, not the people that are point out how
ridiculous your comment is.
Why isn't anyone talking about Tate flipping off all of BYU's fans? Why do we
spend so much time talking about Collie saying he worked hard and no time at all
about how rude Tate and the other utah football players were?
You are all wrong. It's not that God likes and favors BYU, he just can't stand
Don't trash this kid because of his beliefs. If he truely believes that is the
reason for his success who are we to take that from him. Not to mention the fact
that he goes to a PRIVATE, religious institution. Personally I don't think God
cares about sports, but he does about all of our lives and what we personally
need. If you don't like that, DEAL WITH IT, I'm not going to change and neither
Let's get one thing straight. You all keep defending Collie saying there's
nothing wrong with thanking the Lord or saying the Lord can bless you. You're
right there's not. But that's not what Collie said. The last part of his
statement is what really gets him into trouble "Magic Happens" That line,
whether he meant it or not suggests the Lord helped him get wide open to
miraculously get out of a huge jam for BYU and convert the near impossible 4th
and 18. If he would've said he prayed to the Lord for strength and to play his
best he would've been fine. He chose his words very poorly. You have to admit
that much! What he meant can be up for speculation, but everyone has to agree
he did not choose his words wisely, regardless of what point he wanted to get
It's not that Collie thanked God for his athletic ability that helped him make
the catch, which would have been fine, he said that because he did the "right"
thing off the field, he was "blessed" and the play was made. "Magic". Is he
saying that those who have failures on the field are not living "right"? How
many times do bad things happen to good people? Are they not righteous as well?
As an LDS Ute, I cringe whenever BYU players/fans play this card. People are not
getting on Collie for praising God, they are upset because he made his own
spirituality the reason for his success. God blesses all of us in all we do, but
we also all fail, every day, even good people. If Collie had not made the catch,
I doubt he would have said that he was living "right" and that God blessed him
to miss the catch to give him a chance to learn from his mistakes. BYU fans,
this has nothing to do with Mormonism, but everything to do with humility and
Way to go Mike! You've done you job perfectly. I for one can't wait for your
next insightful column. I just hope your OPINIONS continue to stir such
emotions, so we can all be entertained by this ridiculous banter.
Collie reiterated what is said in the locker room. It's obvious that they're
encouraged to live right off the field. Can't fault anyone for that...in fact,
have to praise people for that. But his comment was a mistake. I agree with
Sorensen that it does imply that BYU is more righteous than Utah. That may not
have been what Collie intended, but that's how it came across. I'm glad Bronco
has them bought into the system, but the comments to the media need to be
tempered. I recently saw a screening of "Forever Strong." It's a movie that
all will love. It's the story of the Highland High Rugby team and the great
Coach Gelwix. One of the secrets to their success is that they live right off
the field. They serve in the community, they are punished for use of illegal
substances or breaking team rules...they are taught to live a strict code.
Living "right" improves self-esteem...that's going to translate into improved
performance in any field. I commend BYU's ability to clean up from previous
years' embarrassment, but the comment he made was a Holier than Thou comment. A
mistake he won't repeat.
Anyone doubt that some Utah players prayed before the game that they would play
well? Anyone doubt that Utah also has a lot of good (honest,
religious, etc...) student athletes?Is it really self-righteous to
say you were blessed by God?Too many people are treating this as a
mutually exclusive comment (If Austin is living right and was blessed...He must
think he is better than me because I lost). Can't it just mean he thinks the
Lord blessed him?How many of us have been promoted or recieved a
prestigous award? How many of us have privately told our family and friends
that we felt "the Lord stepped in" and "blessed" us with such promotion or
award? Does that make you self-righteous because you got it and someone else
didn't? How many of us would be accused of being self-righteous if we announced
to the the media (and the 50 other applicants who didn't get the promotion) that
"the Lord stepped in" and "blessed" you with this job. Probably all
of us!Hmmmm...the message didn't change but the reception sure did.
I don't believe any offense was meant so I am choosing to give the guy a break.
Collie is not perfect. But there is nothing wrong with him saying that living
right results in blessings in whatever you do. Should he say that living wrong
gets you blessings? Should he say god doesn't care about football players
actions off the field? Also, telling belligerent Utah fans (including
columnists) to get a life is actually great advice and you should be thankful.
To all the other Utah fans that don't care, I applaud you.
I am a native Utahn, devout LDS, and now live in the South. I am aware of the
stereotype that is present in relation to 'redneck' lifestyle. While we have
been treated so very well here by new friends and neighbors (much better than we
were treated in Utah), there are some who do perpetuate this stereotype, to the
disadvantage of others.There is also the stereotype of BYU as being
a self-righteous, holier-than-thou institution, and that has spilled-over into
people's perception of the LDS Church. Sadly, Austin Collie's comments, and the
comments of those responding here, have only perpetuated this stereotype. Austin
Collie's comments CLEARLY indicated that he believed divine intervention on his
play on the last drive. It is one thing to have divine intervention in your
belhalf when trying to better your position in life, it is another to claim
intervention at the expense of another of Heavenly Father's children. Then, when people take issue with his comments, Austin cowardly tries to play
the martyr and makes himself, and what he represents, look even worse. It would
be hard for friends to see that conduct form one of or own, and then believe my
People have a right to thank God if they want. To all of you
criticizing Collie for this, are you somehow able to divine that God did not
help him? Do you know all of the circumstances surrounding this and
exactly what had been going on in his life that he might have had to
overcome? You don't know everything he's been going through and I
guess he feels like he has recieved help from above for trying his best to do
the right things. For anyone to criticize him for what he said is
pretty cruel and insensitive and plain ignorant.
I agree with Collie's comments, however they were made with poor timing. Had
they been made after any other game this year, they would have been brushed off
as another BYUism - similar the the comparison of the Title of Liberty to
classic football uniforms and the importance of Friday night firesides. Unfortunately, they were made after miraculously beating Utah where the
rivalry is no longer athletic, it is spiritual. Collie had to know what kind of
backlash this would set off.
I agree with Collie that the uproar is because he is from BYU. Most BYU fans I
know winced when they heard his comments because they know that some BYU fans
have a reputation for being self righteous. Most BYU fans are great. It is the
exception 1% to 5% ? of BYU fans who come accross as self righteous.
Unfortunately, this makes it difficult for Collie to talk about his personal
spiritual conviction without being lumped in with them.
I have been a BYU football fan for all my life. I inherited that from my grand
father who took all his grand children to every game. We sat behind the visitor
section and never had a bad experience until the Utah game would come to town.
Every time this game took place in Provo we would endure constant references
about the LDS faith. They would sneak in and spray beer on the Ys fans and be
completely rude. All this as a protest to BYUs beliefs system. My grand father
played football for Utah and lettered. My mother and father graduated from the
U. I have no bias, but I find that Ute fans can be as self righteous about their
school as any BYU fans. Every year I have to listen to my in-laws talk about
their football god, Urban Meyer. Not only do they praise this god but they talk
about BYU players, fans and school as if its hell on earth (even though their
daughter's a BYU graduate). As much as I love them, there is no one as self
righteous as they are when it comes to this football game. I hate this game!
don't care what anyone says, byu still thinks they're better than everyone else,
especially AUSTIN COLLIE
We all know the main reason why Collie is getting this attention from angered
Utah FRUTES is because they're beginning to realize maybe the Lord doesn't like
them after all.
I don't know of too many other people who don't get upset at times when someone
criticizes them. True, I think Collie could have handled it better, but he
didn't. That doesn't mean you wouldn't either if you were in his spot, so just
Hey, I pray for help with things I have to do (work, new projects,
realtionships, tests, long road trips, etc.). I feel I've received help with
those things in various ways and sometimes I take an opportunity to tell other
people about it. The only thing Collie did differently was tell a reporter about
it and all that reporter is interested in doing is selling news stories, getting
higher radio show ratings, and promoting his own career. To me most reporters
are low lifes. Austin will learn to not cast his pearls before swine.
the fact is, no one from any other school would have said this????!
Nice job Collie - way to respond and I'm glad so many readers agree - even Ute
fans. When BYU has players getting in trouble the comments are "I thought
you guys didn't live that way, stop being hypocritical..." Then a comment like
Collies is interpretted as "stop thinking you guys are better or have God
pulling for you" I have to believe that deep down everyone knows what Collie was
saying - but the BYU haters had to try to use it as ammunition against the
Cougars. The Lord's school??? View it how you want - I believe it's the
Lord's church and BYU is owned by the church. But I would never think He gives
preferential treatment for something as trivial (to Him) as a sporting event.I think all athletes can be blessed for treating their bodies and minds right.
An option open to anyone, including any athletes on any school's team. With a
different environment at BYU and players buying into it, my guess is that there
are more doing the right things in a religious sense. Why is it OK to tell
recruits to not go to BYU because of the rules?????
We're so sorry Mr. Sorenson, I know that losing two years in a row must sting
very bad. It's tough when your favorite team loses to its rival, especially when
you work at the Deseret News, hope your fellow employees are being kind. We are
so sorry that Mr. Collie is a Mormon, served a mission, and caught an unreal 4th
and 18 to snatch the victory. We are sorry that Mr. Collie acknowledged the Lord
in his success. Looking back he should have forgotten the Lord completely and
only praised himself for the win. Next year we will change our name from Brigham
Young to Bobby Young so that we are not exploiting our religious origin, we will
stop praying before games, and we will stop executing on 4th down so that we do
not cause you any more pain. Does that sound fair? I wish you the best in
dealing with this current set back and again we apologize for all the harm we
Surely, the guy was super happy after his team won the so-called 'holy war'. He
was happy and said what he said! The Cougars won, the Utes lost! Will it be a
3-peat come next year? I think that's the real question! Mahalo to the Cougs.
Another reason BYU is hated so much. Self-righteous and arrogant. Collie, thanks
for reaffirming our hatrid for BYU.
I am totally offended by anyone calling the BYU/Utah game a Holy War! Which of
these 2 schools is a church school? It's BYU. So, which one is "holy"? It's BYU.
So that implies that Utah is not holy. How can you say that it's a "Holy War"?
Please stop, it's offensive.
This is not a national news item, only in classless Morman hating Utah is this
an issue. The University of Utah, from personal experence, has no respect for
any thing good.
Not once has Collie or anyone else ever said that God helps Cougars and not
Utes. He helps those who ask.
Thanks, Divinity. God DOES care about football. In fact, he cares about a lot
of things that would otherwise be meaningless but for the fact that those things
create opportunities for us to develop our relationships with him. The most
profound spiritual experiences in my life have arisen from answers to prayers as
trivial as, "Please help me find my car keys," or from slighly less trivial
things like, "Please help me pass this exam so that I can have a job." Does he
care about football? Presumably only to the extent that his intervention lends
itself to the spriritual development of his children, but, yes, in those cases
(which are many), he does. We don't always know when God is or
isn't intervening, but I'd rather err on the side of giving him more credit,
rather than less credit, than is due. And I certainly don't fault Austin or any
player from any other school or religion for doing so, or for acknowledging the
hand of God publicly, however inartfully he may have been able to do so when
caught in front of a camera at a very emotional moment.
It is amazing how people react in this state about any religious comment, or
rather reference made to deity. I just listened to Collies complete interview
and am amazed that this has become a comment of discussion. If BYU had lost the
game and the interviewer had asked Collie the same questions his response about
that specific play would still be valid. The comments were not made about
winning the game, but about a play. In the bulk of the interview the comments
were about one play. Only in the end, long after the comment, did Collie talk
about the game as a whole. Listen to the interview!
Get a life, people. Down here in the Bible Belt, players pray before a game to
insure that God helps them play their best. I've heard all-conference Big XII
QB's "thank God who helped me play me best this game--I give all the thanks to
Him for helping me pull this out."No negative comments like what
I've heard here. No "holier than thou" accusations. No arrogance aside. If a
player thanks God for helping him play well, isn't that the same as thanking God
for helping him win? It's a fine logic point, but let's just move on. Like it
or not, Collie thanked God for helping him play well.Let's talk
about other stuff, like how Utah and BYU, both good teams who played a great
game, will do in their respective bowls.
This is obviously about a lot more than football. Austin simply said that he
compared it to anything. Anytime we try our best to do what is right God blesses
us, I'm a firm believer in that. Was he arrogant in saying he was trying to do
what is right? I don't think so. Did he say he was perfect? No, but according to
what he said, he is trying his best to do what's right. Anybody can do the same,
and sometimes things turn out, and sometimes they don't.
For a person to say they are blessed due to their own personal righteousness is
one thing. To thank God for their success is something else. Most
athletes you see pointing to the sky are thanking God - not saying they were
blessed becaused they deserved it.
Collie was right to recognize God's hand in his performance. Think about how
appropriate his comments would seem in any other aspect of life (school, career,
family, etc) and you'll realize that he was simply recognizing God's helping
hand, which is fitting considering the time of year. While God does
not favor one team over another, He also does not stop blessing righteous
players once the game starts and then refuse to give blessings until the game is
over. This is not how it works. My point is that there are football players from
both Utah and BYU who benefit from righteous living, meaning they receive
blessings while they are off the field AND when they are on the field. But God
still doesn't care who wins.
What if I apply for a job and do all I can to get that job including live right
in order to ask for a blessing? If I get that job am I not right in thanking
God for blessing me to get that job? Does that mean he loves me more then he
loves the other candidates for the same job? Was Austin unworthy when he got
hurt against Tulsa? No. All he is saying is when you work hard and live right
you will be blessed.
If it's important to you, it's important to me. That's how I've always handled
the prayer department. No prayer too trival, but whether I answer or not, well,
that's up to me.
How many times have I personally watched a football, basketball, baseball,
rugby, or hockey player (once) thank G-- for the results of their hard work? Mmmm, literally hundreds of times.And how is this different?
Two ways: First, it gets at the heart of the Holy War, the perception BYU is
religious and the Utes are heathens. And two, Collie is Mormon.Truth
be told there are probably as many Mormons at Utah as there are at BYU but it is
perception that plays here. If this had been a Mormon saying this between say
USC and UCLA it would have been far less an issue. But I still think and issue,
which gets to the Mormon thing.In any case, I did not take it that
he was saying BYU was chosen by G-- but instead G-- will bless people that work
hard. This is much to do about nothing. It may even show a hint of
antithesitic attitudes by the nerds who are making a big deal of it on the
radio. Too bad that under any circumstances the mention of G-- causes such
problems. If the Utes had won and someone mentioned G--, sincerely good for
**sigh** I moved here from another state and am simply bewildered by
all this. Austin's expression of faith is not particularly to my taste, but
does it have to be? It seems that people in this state are living
on a religious powder keg. It never takes much to set things off. It seems
like everyone here feels they are persecuted and abused. Maybe we would all be
better served by talking to each other rather than at each other. Sorry for the sermon, but I have found that people in this State are kind and
intelligent and caring and giving and forgiving ... just not with each other. I
really don't understand why.
Assuming that God cares about football, why would God care so much about a sport
that consistently keeps millions and millions from going to church on Sunday?
Is there any sense to this whole argument?Weather a team wins or
losses makes no significant difference to my day, week, month, or life. The
person who advances medicine, or technology makes a significant impact to untold
billions.Sports junkies are just that.
I don't think God stepped in to help Collie. If I recall, he was in South Bend
helping the Irish defeat Stanford.
Since when did Freedom of Speech mean "shut up, and don't criticize a football
player?"Freedom of speech means that when a football player says
something dumb, people can point it out. Perhaps the mormons who are offended by
the criticism could choose not to be offended, as they have been counseled to
It's good to be reminded of the silliness I left behind in Utah before coming to
Georgia, where high school, college, and professional athletes say things
strikingly similar to what Collie said (sometimes even more pointed, and
apparently more offensive, as it would seem from some of the responses above),
but we just shrug and move on without getting our knickers knotted. God helping
your team beat someone else is rather commonplace here. The Georgia God is quite
big on sports. It may be compensation for God's failure to preserve the southern
lifestyle and secession in that unpleasant affair from 1861 to 1865. For what it's worth, from the outside, Collie isn't the one looking like an
idiot in this affair. The idiots are the ones who are irate because they assume
Collie is saying he is more righteous than they, and then, in a lusciously
ironic twist, using Collie's statement to justify their own disdain for BYU --
effectively placing their own righteousness above Collie and anything else
BYUish. The latest rendition of the ever-popular "My righteousness trumps yours"
argument that has been going on since time immemorial beween BYU and Utah.
Idiocy. Just shrug and move on, folks.
Collie's original comments should his arrogance, and don't deny that cougar
fans. To say "the Lord stepped in" is a lot different than giving thanks to God.
Collie's reaction to the comments not only solidify his arrogance, but shows he
is ignorant as well. He's ignoring the facts of what he said and isn't being
responsible for it. His ignorance and arrogance remind me of a lot of
people on this blog.
Does anyone remember the scripture where it says that God does not care about
football? And why would BYU not be God's favorite team. It is His Church that
owns the school, so it should be His football team. I'm not sure why Austin
Collie didn't just point this out. Also, the only reason why BYU ever loses in
any sport is just so the Lord can humble them. It will only help to make them
work harder and become better!Go Cougars!
Westernsport wrote that "[Collie's] comments suggest that Heavenly
Father loves BYU & helped them convert on 4th down." What Westernsport should
have wrote was that this was his interpretation of Collie's comments. I
certainly didn't interpret Collie's comments this way. He was simply excited
and he praised God for the help that He's given him on the football field.
That's my interpretation of Collie's comments. I truly believe that God doesn't
care about the outcome of football games, but he does bless his children
regardless of which team they're on.
I wouldn't call this self righteousness. I would call this sharing the team
secrets of success.I admire Austin for not backing down on his comments. He is
right - God does bless those who are doing everything they can to live good
to: jim h is right on:Collie did not find a hole in a 2 deep
defense. Watch the replay, the coverage was not 2 deep. It was man free,
McCain bit, Collie took advantage of McCain's mistake. When Collie
was interviewed, he was excited. Could he have worded it better, probably.
But, his priorities are better than most college sophomore football players.
Quit playing the persecution card. You said something ignorant, be a
responsable adult and own it. When you drop the "my God is better than your
God" or "my faith is stronger than the faith of my oppenents" or "I'm more
righteous than my opponents" take, you're going to take some grief. And
deservedly so. And it's not because you're a "white Mormon". You insulted
people of all faiths- including your own- along with people who are not
religious. That is extremely weak to play the persecution card. Own your
ignorant opinion and statement.Sincerely,Good People Of All KindsPS Were you not living right on and off the field in 2004? 52 - 21.
Growing up as a young LDS boy, I worshipped the BYU Cougars. Then once I got to
high school I realized how self-righteous and prideful about half of BYU's
students are (only half, I won't make a ridiculous generalization). Really half
of them will look down on you if you don't go to BYU. They give you that smug
"I'm better than you" look. Their parents think their child is genius because
their son goes to BYU. Mr. Collie is in this half I am talking about. He's
likely one of those cougars who refers to BYU as "The Lord's School". I hate
when BYU fans use that phrase, ridiculous. You make our church look so bad,
when you do that! I had a scholarship opportunity to attend BYU (my dream
growing up) and turned it down due to this attitude. You're not the Lord's
School and the Lord is not going to help you win. My buddy is a BYU fan and said
after the game, "I was excited til I heard Collie's comment, no wonder so many
people (including Mormons) hate BYU!"
After reading almost all of the comments it seems to me that those who
took offense at Collie's comments were largely Utah fans. Hey --
the kid made a statement from his heart that could have been crafted better. I
will grant you that. But come on ute fans, get over it, you lost. I understood
what he meant to say, and perhaps this world would be a little better if we all
really tried to understand what everyone is saying instead of twisting the words
to "prove" that one is right or wrong.A great game. Played hard by
both teams.Better luck next year.
When Mike Salido crossed himself after scoring a TD for the Cougs in their upset
of Miami in Provo back in 90? There was no discussion about Salido's actions at
the time. Just as there shouldn't be any about Collie's comments at this time.
This is a non-story.RE: Tired of self-righteousnessMaybe you
should look on the positive side. I'm sure the RMs and other LDS faithful
(i.e., your head coach) of your beloved Utes believe that God has had a hand in
their success. We can probably trace Utah's recent success and competitiveness
to recruiting these quality young men. Their faith and hard work has made them
successful off the field and it reflects in how they play on the field. This
"Holy War" has really almost become 2 Mormon factions battling against each
great point jim. Austin is just young and nieve. Success or lack thereof is
not indication of righteous living. Most people realize that and that is why
this is making such a fuss. What he is saying implies that because I am a ute
fan or cannot run a 4.4 forty that i'm not living right. It is offensive. The
reason BYU won is because collie found a hole in the 2 deep zone and hall got
him the ball. what does god have to do with that?
Austin Collie is a tremendous athlete, and from what I know, he has great
character. He has every right to praise God in whichever manner he feels
necessary. I don't think that he should have to apologize for his comments, and
I applaud him for sticking to them.I wish that more athletes on this
level were as humble as Austin Collie. A young man with his athletic prowess,
giving credit to God. It just doesn't happen that often anymore.Am
I bitter, YES I AM BITTER! But not toward anyone with affiliation to BYU
(except their dork fans). I am bitter towards our own program. Maybe, just
maybe we ought not to put so much into trick plays. Trick plays are for middle
tier teams that need a little extra to win the occasional game. We need to
solidify our offense. Another gem of knowledge: Hall is not better
than Johnson. However, he plays how he is coached, as did Johnson. We went
from McBride to a national contender under Meyer, just to go back to where we
were before. Coach Witt is a good coach, he just needs to make offensive
changes.Santa wears red for the Utes!
Can anyone really prove that God doesn't care about football? Maybe He does.
I totally agree with Eric's comment. Austin needs to learn to word things
better so as not to offend others. Hopefully he will learn this lesson and be
more careful next time.
Actually, it wasn't Austin's "rightous living" that got us the win. It was
mine. I've never prayed so hard in my life and I know He answered my prayer.
Oh, and by the way when did so many people become mind readers. Give the kid a
break. He's a good kid and a terific athelete. Talk about self-righteous. I'm
sure not one of you who has criticized Collie has ever said anything that could
be misconstrued. When Ute fans criticize BYU for being self-righteous it's a
little like the "pot calling the kettle black". Give me a break, it's only a
game! (Which BYU happened to win thanks to me).
I am an avid sports fan and came from another state to watch the game. I
enjoyed once again this great rivalry. I watched fans making lots of noise on
each side before and during the game. I laughed when I heard a Ute alumni make
fun of the BYU Honor Code at the tailgate party at Provo High. I was near the
Utah bench when one of the players yelled, "Where's your God now?" after Utah
scored their touchdown. I am an alumnus of the U of U and find those ridiculing
Collie to be ill-informed and intolerant. This seems to be typical of many of
those who support the athletics in the Salt Lake basin. The press has now
reached a new low for blowing this controversy out of proportion. Mr. Collie is
a young man of faith that could be exemplified by a few. Sore losers often
react in predictable ways.
I guess being humble isnt a core value of the Mendenhall led Cougars. Collie is
doing no one a favor (including himself) to come out and say what he did in this
article. Why didnt he at least admit that the words came out wrong? Nope, he
just tells everyone to get a life. Collie is the one who invoked God
in a heavy handed way into the play. Most (especially Utah) fans wouldve looked
at it differently if Collie had stated they had worked hard all year and that
hard work paid off on that play. Or better yet, luck is what happens when
preparation meets opportunity. No, instead Collie implied because he was living
right on and off the field the Lord let him cash in one of his righteousness
chips. Many BYU fans have been saying other people like Tony Dungy have invoked
God into conversations after big wins but Dungy only thanked God for blessing
him for the opportunity to win a Super Bowl not this was my reward for living a
Christian life.Go ahead Cougar fansdefend and dismiss Collies
knuckleheaded statement, it proves how blind you are supporting your team.
Does a righteous person respond with Anger even if he did not intentionally mean
to provoke it from others? I can't ever recall a conference talk
where a prophet or an apostle talked about how righteous he was. I thought the
TEAM won the game.Does a righteous person use "B.S." in a public
interview? Does it stand for Boy Scout?Does a righteous person
condemn others for disagreeing with them and demand they get a life?Pride comes before the fall. This is for me as much as anyone because I have
many failings and faults. I am human and I make mistakes. Its hard for Collie
to admit that... Just like me.
This is the kind of attitude that I HATE from BYU. What about all the players
on the U team that are doing what they are supposed to be doing? They lost so
implied I am better than you are. That is what is getting everyone up in arms.
If he would have said I thank my Heavenly Father for giving me the strength that
would have been different.
We all know that Jim McMahon was righteous on and off the field. I think that
is why he was so successful as a Cougar.
After re-reading Austin's quote, it still came out wrong as much as I know what
he was trying to say. The problem is he implies (with or without wanting to)
that he was living right and succeeded, therefore his opponent didn't. His
comments beg the question. He will learn to be more careful, like we all need
to, in not offending. He had an opportunity to set the record straight, but
ending it with "people need to get a life" was not a good way to do it. It
appears he is still learning.His premise is incorrect too. Barry
Bonds cheated on his wife, on his taxes, and in baseball with performance
enhancing drugs. He was not living right on or off the field and he "obviously"
is the all-time home run leader.
So maybe we can identify the people in this world who aren't doing the right
things. Perhaps Mr. Collie should visit Primary Childrens' Hospital and talk
with some of the parents & kids. Maybe he could clue them into where they went
wrong. Mr. Collie certainly has been blessed, but for him to assume that
it's his doin' is arrogant. Righteous living is no guarantee of wealth,
success or winning ballgames. Sometimes the wicked have a pretty good run. It would be a shame if the LDS church was drifting towards a philosophy of
evaluating someone's righteousness through the external trappings of health,
wealth, success & winning ballgames.
Note how Collie specifically said action "on and off the field". If he truly
believed that how his actions on the field influenced how the Lord blessed his
life he is way off base. This is exactly why so many people believe that BYU
and it's players have a "holier than thou" belief. How a player acts on
the field does not influence the Lord so don't say that it does. BYU and its
players should be held to a higher stantard and the problem it they don't live
up to it.
If anyone ever listens to Patrick Kinnihan on the radio in the morning with that
silly David James, you know that he set up that question. These radio
"personalities" are a hoot. David James talks so fast he foams at the mouth.
Kinnihan says and does everything contrary to get a rise out of people. The
both are so silly I can't stand to listen to them anymore.
Sure I agree with Collie, this is the same guy who was going to put the hurt on
Utah when he was a freshman... It is because he is white and morman and lives
in utah and goes to byu. No respect, none BYU should be ranked #1 but no
respect... It is because he is white and think of all the suppressing that he
has had to go through being a mormon and living in utah it is hard life...
Why can't we focus on the truly important topic, namely that BYU is better than
Utah at football?
Collie was right. While we know that God does not control or care about the
outcome of sporting events, we also know that righteous living yields blessings.
And once the game begins, God does not suddenly cut off a righteous player from
his/her access to those blessings.In addition, I think we're all
mature enough to realize that both BYU and Utah have righteous and unrighteous
players on their teams. Neither school has a monopoly on righteousness.
Could agree with Austin Collie more.
Us Mormons are sooooo picked on!! It drives me nuts. If this was any one else,
it'd be fine!
How many of you Y detractors really believe Collie intended his comments to
convey the message that God cares enough about the outcome of football games to
intervene on one team's behalf? Deep down none of us believe that's what he
meant. This is one reporter trying to create controversy where really none
i think collie said it best...if he weren't a mormon playing at BYU his comment
would have received no attention. that's 100 percent true. if kobe bryant, or
peyton manning said that no one would have cared... if anything they would be
4th and 18 conversion to win a game is something so rare, God very well could
have been a part of. With that said there have been worse things said and done
by BYU football players. Lets move on.
Amen to the wise words of "Initially Speaking"
Austin, it's a good thing you caught the ball. If you dropped it, you would have
disappointed 13 million people. (tongue firmly in cheek)
I've been all over the country and talked to non-members and recent converts
about the LDS Church, and I've never heard one convert say "yeah, I got
interested in the gospel because of BYU athletics."However I've
heard quite a few non-members say they will never be members because of the
words and actions of BYU athletes and fans.How many people do you
suppose Austin Collie (and those of you rushing to his rescue) have driven away
from the gospel with this latest incident?Missionary tool, my foot.
Mike Sorenson and the DNews crossed the line. Should never have been written.
I am shocked to see how many mormons and BYU fans feel that they are so picked
on because of their religion. Can anyone not see how Collies comments might be
interpreted by others not of the LDS faith? Instead of becoming so defensive,
why not try to understand where other people are coming from? Seek first to
Just keep you mouth shut and play the game. Nobody cares about your personal
beliefs! Youre a football player not a philosopher!
This is insane. Here we are arguing about the comments of a respectable kid.
He's a fantastic athlete who strives to live a religion. Why is such person
lambasted by many of the people on this blog? It seems that some of these
people would respect him more for being a thug involved in criminal activity.
God forbid that someone thinks that the God they strive to serve will bless them
for so serving.
That's why we pray , we got to pray just to make it today! Give the young man a
break , every athlete has a physcological approach or spiritual approach matters
not what color. People have died so this guy can make any statements he chooses!
There are more important issues like my life so that is why I'm getting off this
site, so don't Taze me Bro!
I would never question anyone's relationship with the lord. Or the feelings of
how they are blessed and how there prayers are answered. To me those things are
very sacred and personal and I don't feel comfortable talking about them in a
setting other than a spiritual situation.Collie should not be
suprised by the backlash. Football is very emotional and the hatred in rivalries
is very high and as much as I like football I would say the hate goes to far.The bottom line is there are probably many people that do what they feel
is right and yet their lives are filled with trials and problemes. SO obviously
people get offended when he says if you do what is right everything will be
great. For him maybe it has but there are many that have years of struggles
before they feel like things work out.BYU fans and players have to
get away from the Republican LDS attitude of my life is great because I'm a good
person. If your life isn't you its your fault. Lay off Collie it was
an emotional game and his feelings and beliefs should be honored.
You would never hear anything about this outside of Utah. Get a life Utes!!!
I remember hearing a story about mothers on both sides of a team or battle
praying for their side to win -- rather than praying for winning, I've turned to
praying for a safe, good game. It makes watching a lot more fun! (Although I
must admit I have prayed for a successful touchdown attempt every once in a
Anonymous is spot on!!Sorensen needs to get a grip! Does
God care about football? I can't speak for God, but I would venture to guess
that he cares a whole heck of a lot more for the student athletes - on both
sides of the ball, equally the same. Collie was not suggesting he was
"superior" or "holier than thou" because he keeps his nose clean on and off the
field. He was simply acknowledging the Lord's hand in his success. Calling Collie prideful, boastful or self-righteous completely misses the
boat. It tells me that there are those who don't know what it's like to give
credit where credit is rightfully due. You, that don't understand this concept,
need to try it for once. Just try it; give praise to God for what you have
received and see if your outlook on life is better! That's all Collie was
trying to communicate!
First, I know that God helps us -- does He help one side win over the other? I
don't know if He does in every case, but He heard the prayers of those under
Hitler's reign of terror & helped them to ultimately regain their freedom. I
also know He heard the prayers of good Germans so I think righteousness (not
self-righteousness) does play an important part in prayers being answered. Thank goodness God is in charge, for as an all-knowing, all-seeing, ever
loving Father, He knows when to step in, and when to allow us to experience
things for ourselves.Second, my only objection to Collie's comments was
his use of "B.S." to emphasize his point. I'm sure it was said just as it was
written, and out of frustration in trying to get his important point across
(I've done it, with regrets later!), but it's use distracted from the message.
It helped me realize that I need to be careful, myself, that I don't take
away from what important things I could say by slipping into even mock cursing.
Overreacting jealous Ute fans.What exactly is the news here?
Where's the story? I think people are reading much more into this than they
should. There is nothing wrong with Collie giving credit where it's due, and
even as a USU fan I don't take exception and think the Lord doesn't love one
team as much as another. That's not the point here at all. We all need to
remember where our blessings come from, and quit picking on those that honestly
give praise where it's due.
What a difference it makes to quote someone correctly. Collie told Kinahan: "I
wouldn't say it was lucky. We executed the play well... Obviously, if you do
what's right on and off the field, I think the Lord steps in and plays a part in
it." Who in the world would disagree or take offense with this statement? Any
reference to being "righteous" totally illudes me in his comment, just like
Collie totally illuded his defender for the 1st down. Don't try to modify his
words so you can impose yet another layer of self-righteous hate and bitterness
onto a program that has really made a "miraculous" turn-around by doing what?
Obviously by doing what is right on and off the field is what makes a team
successful. To "do what is right" is not just a Primary theme or a cool symbol
on a championship ring. It means to train, to work, to condition, to prepare,
and then to execute. Go Collie. Go BYU. Go Utah - work it out of your minds.
I dont take offense at Austin's comments and but they were dumb and here's why.
By making the comparison of doing what is "right" and the Lord stepping in to
assist is fine, except when used following a competition. Because there was
direct competition, using words just as "doing what is right" infers that those
you were competing against weren't. Try and justify it all you want, but it
does. Many of you have claimed that his comments were no different
than other athletes thanking God or Jesus after a game. The difference is a big
one. Had Collie said, I just thank God for the opportunity to make a great play
doesn't undermine your opponent whereas saying "God picked me" absolutely does.
BYU has a reputation of being self righteous, and this is why.If
Collie really was as good a person as he claims, he would be apologizing for
offending people, not saying, "get a life". My favorite part? Talking about
the plan of salvation and using terms such as "b.s." in the same breath.
Further evidence that he shouldn't have a microphone in front of him.
He didn't say "I want to thank the lord". He said "The lord stepped in".
Just when I think that I just might give it a shot and start rooting for the
college that is named for one of my Church's presidents, I am reminded why I
have grown to dislike BYU athletics. There is more to life than BYU
football and many fans either forget that or are looking for something other
than faith to satisfy the emptiness in their lives. BYU fans, what
would you do if The Church discontinued BYU football?
Austin Collie is obviously not the brightest one of the bunch. It's not just
because he's a white mormon that goes to BYU. If a player from Notre Dame, SMU
or some other religous school made a similar comment he would also be
criticized. Think about where you are. And retaliating by saying 'get a life'
is real classy. Way to go Austin.
I have a degree from Utah and a degree from BYU. I root for the school that
gives me the most blessings.
Hey "Amazed", it's not so amazing when you look at what Collie said in the
context of the rivalry, which has a lot to do, in the minds of many Utah fans,
with BYU's nagging and incessant claim to moral superiority. Comments like that
will ALWAYS arouse controversy where this rivalry is concerned.
This is all a distraction to to real point that Ute fans don't want to face.
"Harline is still open" was followed this year with "4th and 18". BYU is not
more righteous than Utah, only better in football the last 2 years.
As a neutral observer, BYU fans needs to stop down playing his comments and see
it for what it is. Collie thinks he is more righteous than the next guy. It
probably does not stop with him either. A rose by another other name is still a
rose. Of course Utah fans are going to jump all over it. Having moved here
from out of state and seeing this rivalry for over 15 years now, Utah dislikes
BYU for the exact comment that Collie made. They look down there noses at Utah
fans for whatever reason, whether is be the religion issue or because BYU was
better during the 80's and 90's than Utah was and there is a feeling of self
righeousness that comes from the fans towards Utah. Both sides need
to get over there differences. Have fun with the rivalry and realize that Utah
needs BYU to be successful and BYU needs Utah to be successful. I have seen to
many 'haters' of the other team on each side who call themselves fans of one
team or the other.
I bet Notre Dame hasn't gotten the memo letting them know that they can't talk
about their lord. Hang up the crosses.. People, when you are so overly
concerned about a comment someone makes after a game you obviously have never
played the game. I watched my son suffer a loss this year where he was
devastated for days-did God play a roll in the other teams victory? No-Our team
didn't do what we had to in order to win. But emotions are high after a game.
But this is just something most athletes do(thanking god). Much like looking at
the camera and thanking your mom. MOVE ON!
Collie had no right saying that. It is a game he should treat it like a game.
The first thing I do when I win Monopoly is look to the sky and thank the all
mighty. How about we talk about something more important BYU' Blue Zone offense.
That was sad.
A book I loved as a kid was called "I Am Third" by Gale Sayers who put God
first, family second, and myself third. Austin Collie and Max Hall and the oter
cougar players suscribe to this philosophy, unfortunately the utes and their
followers think "I am third" applies to their place in the Mountain West
I find it amusing how many anonymous Ute fans can get so excited about Collie's
"arrogant" comments after the game, but seem to have forgotten Mack's
proclamation prior to the game regarding Unga that "You can't even compare
us...I've got more moves than he'll ever have" Then Unga racks up over 140
yards rushing to Mack's 50 yards rushing. Any Ute fans (or BYU fans for that
matter) calling Mack arrogant or demanding an apology? If an
opposing player would have made that comment Whittingham would have taken it
personal and focused his game plan solely on Mack showing up the competition.
Any local media jumping on this story?...No, because the religion
card guarantees more ink and air time. The media will beat this like a dead
horse because they will do anything for market share in an over flooded market.
And they're not ashamed of it either. They thrive on controversy so they try to
create it by fanning the flames.
A self-righteous cougar.What exactly is the news here?
Amen Jim Jr.
Praising God is awesome, there is nothing wrong with the act itself. The problem
lies when you add to the comment and insinuate divine preference. Collie's words
couldn't be construed as anything but divisive judging by the reaction.I don't
think he intentionally blasted his opponent, but I do believe that he is a young
man who is isn't very adept at word choice.He had a chance at contrition and
sadly never showed any. He doesn't have to apologize for his beliefs, but maybe
a sorry for the misunderstanding would have eased the situation.
To think that Collie was saying the more righteous team in this game won is
ridiculous. Here is a young man, who believes God has blessed him, and will
continue to bless him in whatever endeavor, as long as he is doing his best to
live a good life. You don't know him. I think people that do see his point of
view exactly. I don't know him but for that reason, I give him the benefit of
the doubt. To do otherwise is judgmental and creates a bitter taste in my
mouth. Anytime we judge critically, not understanding the whole situation, we
are embracing an attitude that we know best, when actually none of us do.
Hans Olsen and John Lund have done a great job on this subject, they keep it
light, It is a joke. Take it as such. 1280 knows how to shed light on things,
I think we (LDS) are slowly drifting from one of our bedrock principles - free
agency - we are responsible for our actions and yes, that includes the
inventions we develop and the skills of the athletes.
and all others who are still criticizing Collie...Stop judging
Collie based on what YOU are inferring from his comments. Don't put words into
his mouth. What most people are criticizing him for and what he actually said
are two very different things. Some people still seem to believe
that Collie meant that God made BYU win. Did he ever say that? NO!!!!!!
Obviously they're just looking for a reason to justify their anger and hatred
for BYU. Once again, there is a difference between God helping you
to do your best and God helping you to win a ball game.
PK knows Austin as well as anyone having covered BYU sports in the past. To ask
a leading question that implied the catch was pure luck finally coming his way
was intentional. He knew Austin would speak his mind and right after a very
emotional win he would probably say something that would give PK the chance to
keep his job for another couple of weeks. What else do people tune into KFAN
for anyway?? Actual sports analysis?? PK said on TV last night that his
impression of Austin's comments were not that he was implying God wanted them to
win. I think even PK - the reporter who staged this whole response - is now
embarrassed by how big it has become and that it was he that instigated it.
I think it's a weird thing to praise God in sports, but not particularly
offensive. But Collie wasn't praising God. He was praising himself, and implying
that because of his righteousness, God had no choice but to step in and make
"magic" happen. BYU likes to claim that their sports programs are great
missionary tools. If I knew nothing about the LDS church and heard this kid's
arrogant statement, I would not be at all interested in learning more. Here's a
thought Collie....truly righteous people are humble. You would never hear
President Hinckley make a comment like you did...claiming that his own
righteousness resulted in victory on the football field. BTW, apparently John
Beck has stopped doing what's right. God's not working much magic with him
anymore. Must be the playing on Sunday. So Collie....assuming that your
righteousness continues and you are such an amazing player in a few years that
the Sunday-playing pros come calling, will you make yourself available for the
Here's the problem with Collie's comments:People in the public eye often
give thanks or praise to God or a higher power, particularly in Athletics. This
is acceptable to a secular audience because it shows humility. Collie's
comments do not show humility, but, rather, pride. He justifies the Lord
intervening in the play because of how he's living his life on and off the
field. His comments lacked genuine praise to God in favor of justification
because he and the other Cougar players are such great guys. Even if Collie did
not intend for this type of tone, its a bit offensive to Media and the public at
large. Damage is already done.
I think you're all comparing apples to oranges. Most athletes do thank God, but
they thank him for their talents. That's fine. Collie basically implied that God
helps decide football plays. That's moronic. And yes, if someone of another
religion implied the same thing, he too would be criticized. This is not
about LDS persecution, it's about a moronic comment. You people need to get out
of Utah or Mesa more if you think only LDS people get criticized for stupid
remarks. God does not care about a 4th down in a game of football.
Many of you people have zero understanding of this situation and you are simply
letting your Ute-loving, BYU-hating biases taint your view of what's going on
here. What he said was totally benign, and if you can't see that then you have
more issues than I thought!
So what is this fine, spiritual young man implying when he states "in this world
is just B.S.". I thought you weren't suppose to use that type of language at
BYU. I guess BYU will now lose it's bowl game cause he isn't living the way he
Good for Austin for not backing down. PLEASE don't buy into this madness! Only
discussion yesterday on sports radio is over a player talking about magic and,
oh no...The Lord. Sad. Having grown up in the South and played HS sports, I can
tell you that before EVERY game we had prayer. AND SO DID THE OTHER TEAM!!! I
have seen players from every walk of life, PRO and College point to the sky and
thank God. Oh yeah?? For what?? According to sports radio that shouldn't happen.
God doesn't care. It's offensive to the other team. Last night on MNF QB Roth..
pointed to the sky and thanked God for the successful FG. Where is all the
fervor today??!! I am blown away by the response of some for buying into the
nonsense. Make something out of nothing seems to be the new mantra. I guess it
is time for everyone to start attacking George Washington for his MT.Vernon
prayers. I guess God didn't love England. Get a life. God does NOT care about a
FBGame. He does care about his children. The NT taught the parable of Ten
virgins...guess we have to delete that now...
We're so messed up as a society. We worship sterioid injecting, burglarizing,
sexual assaulting professional athletes, claiming their extra-currular
activities and belief systems are irrelevant to their games. Then we shriek and
point the finger of scorn at a 21 year old college kid who dares to praise his
God in the midst of an emotional exult after a rival college football game.Sorenson and KFAN, Collie gave you some wonderful advice. Get a life.
Take a day off, take inventory of your life, identify the cause of the
emptiness, and resolve to fill your life with something substantial.
I've been listening to the local sports talk radio shows and the announcers are
totally freaking out at Austin's comments. They are implying that Bronco
Mendenhall teaches his players to think in this religious "fanatical" way. As a BYU grad, I thought Collie could have expressed his comments a lot
better. I think when you speak off the cuff this way (especially about
spiritual stuff)in a football environment that it has an overall negative
effect.I don't think Collie meant to say that God favors BYU over
everyone else but he did misspeak as far as the mass media is concerned.I also think other players from different faiths misspeak when they
bring God into a football environment. I think Bronco Mendenhall needs to be
careful in this area as well.Just play the game and leave all the
other stuff at home or in church. GO COUGS!
This IS Ironic. After Dallas's win over the lowly Jets the NFL network did an
interview with TO. He went off for like 30 seconds about how God had blessed him
with ability, a great team, and with the such a great season. Now I don't know
the minds of God but maybe he does favor TO on the football field and maybe he
does favor BYU, in fact after watching that game and last years game I would bet
on it. Than again there were were years there where we musta been the more
righteuos School. Anyways give the Kid a break, anyways I would like to think
it was devine intervention myself makes me feel better about my team not
covering BYU's best reciever two years in a row! Maybe they were made
Another day, another ad nauseum analysis of someone's words.Since
when do we all belong to some sort of moral authority with the right to judge
people based on their beliefs and comments? Let them say what they want - how
is it hurting you at all?I agree with Collie. If you were offended
- get a life! You're too thin-skinned and eager to be offended.
Collie draws heat for his comment, not because he is a white Mormon, but because
he plays for a Church school whose entire identity is based on its religion.
There is no other school like it in all of football - not Baylor, SMU, BC, or
Notre Dame. If Bob Jones U had a football team, you can be sure people would
react to the comments of its players.Collie (and all Cougars) know
that they are under scrutiny and that they play for a school that has often had
problems with holier-than-thou attitudes. He knew that this game in particular
has drawn out self-righteous comments and accusations in the past. He should
have been more careful.
The next time Utah beats BYU in football I hope that a Utah player says those
exact words. It will be interesting to see how BYU fans respond.
Let's see if I get this straight. Had BYU NOT converted the 4th down, would
Collie have said, "Obviously we weren't living right on and off the field, so
the Lord didn't step in and help us"? Is he also implying that the Utes haven't
been "living right" on and off the field? Were BYU players not "living right"
before the UCLA and Tulsa games? It was a dumb comment. The implication of the
comment is that he was living right and so good things happen to him (except, of
course, offensive PI), and that the defender was NOT living right, so good
things DIDN'T happen to him. Terrell Owen points to God a lot after his TDs,
but he's not the finest example of "living right".God has endowed
all those young men playing with great athletic ability. They all work hard.
They are all passionate about the game. I just don't think that the Lord made
any "magic" happen.
The real scary part of all this is not what Collie said. He is just an excited
kid saying something without thinking. The scary part is how many others are
writing to say they also believe the 4th down conversion was a gift from God.
Look, nobody has a problem with an athlete thanking God for a great
experience or humbly giving credit to God for giving him extraordinary athletic
ability. Everyone will have a problem with an athlete (of any faith or race) who
implies that God changed the outcome of the game because of the athlete's
righteousness. Find me an example of a Baptist or Catholic saying something
comparable and not getting criticized for it. Please don't let this add to some
kind of Mormon persecution complex.
What a non-story. Since when should anyone care what a 21-year-old college
student says and/or thinks. This is simply the media digging for a story, and
as usual, blowing things way out of proportion. Why don't we just stick with
what happens on the field.I'd just like to thank the Lord for
helping me write such a strong and well thought out comment.
His comment illustrates the doctrine of earning Gods grace that really rubs a
lot of non-LDS Christians the wrong way. There is a subtle difference between
thanking God for divinely intervening in a football game, and thanking God for
rewarding your righteousness with divine intervention in a football game.
Ha! I love it! Collie is now super defensive about the comments he made, which
just proves his arrogance. This could all be blown over if he would politely say
that he felt his comments were taken the wrong way and left at that. Instead, he
lets his pride step in and gets "angry" about what has been said of him. If
Collie and the rest of you Cougar fans haven't figured that out that pride
becomes before the fall, you better start reading The Book of Mormon and brush
up on the pride cycle. Acronym for Fully Invested: Y is full
I am happy to see that a majority of the postings seem to get "The Spirit" of
Collies' comments. I can honestly say that Collie could have crafted his
comments better, but those with an open mind understand his feelings. Collie is an outspoken individual who is willing to put it out there. Good to
see someone still has guts to say what they feel without fear of the PC Gestapo!
Enough has been said in his defense. However, to those who can't get past his
team colors; GET A FRIGGIN' LIFE!!!
We are pathetic society driven by a need for news to even make this a story.
Who cares what he said, other than if you do care you need a life. He isn't the
leader of the free world or in any political office or position where he must
keep his eye on being politically correct. This is not embarassing to himself
or the university or BYU fans as some may suggest. I am embarassed by those
trying to sensationalize a non-event. By the way, what he did say is a
non-event and should be left at just that. Don't take the fact that the guy was
instrumental in hanging a loss on your team as a right to victimize him.
The Lord cares what we care about when we involve him in our lives more than he
cares about football. Even if what you care about doesn't matter in the long run
or is silly - like sports. He's not a sports fan, he's a fan of us and helping
us take the next step.
Condemning Collie for his comments is gross hypocrosy for those who profess to
be a part of any religion.
I agree with Collie wholeheartedly. He gave credit where credit was due. The
Lord is in the details of life, even the seemingly "trivial" events. Does this
mean that the Lord foreordained BYU to win, NO. He simply gave strength to those
Utah and BYU players who were in line to receive strength because of their
diligence to principle. Those who choose to be offended, let them be offended.
This world seems to seek to belittle anything that points to gratitude from a
higher power. It is rejuvenating to finally hear someone (Collie)
face the liberal media and speak his mind. We should be exhilarated to hear a
young kid giving the credit for an amazing accomplishment to another. He could
have said "yea, it was all me". Awesome catch and good luck to both teams.
Collie can try to make it a non-issue all he wants. The fact is he said,
"The Lord stepped in." The implication is that the Lord helped him in a
meaningless athletic competition that the Lord does not give a hoot about. Other
athletes that make the sign of the cross, or give thanks in the open public
arena is seemingly more self-promotion than anything else. Give thanks and
praise in a private setting. Yes, it does come across as self righteous and
holier than thou.
Austin is a heck of an athlete and a good individual.
Sorry people, but Collie's comments crossed the line and Sorenson was right to
call him out on them. It's one thing to thank the Lord or cross yourself, it's
entirely another thing to imply that the "Lord steps in" in response to actions
"on and off the field". God stepped in and helped BYU win because their players
are more righteous off the field???? Gimme a break! Mormons need to stop being
so defensive; anyone who implies such a ridiculous concept would and should be
critized for it.
I'm so glad that Collie didn't apologize for his "off-base" comments. I think
his point is valid and I'm glad that he reaffirmed them come Monday morning.
I think he is pretty rude for telling everyone to get a life.
The player was and is correct. The media are way off base. The law of the
harvest. Nice Biblical principle. He wasn't boasting. He was responding to
specific question. Give the guy a break.
This story is absolutely ridiculous. I find it hard to believe people really are
taking Austin's comments that far out of text. He simply is recognizing God's
hand in his life. What is so wrong with that? I agree 100% with Austin, that
people need to get a life. That includes all those idiotic Ute fans that called
into the radio stations to rip on Collie, and also the media for putting their
own spin on this. So not only can we not say in God we Trust anymore, now a good
Christian kid, from a private Christian school, can't profess how God has had a
hand in his life for living right.. Seriously people, get a life..
I couldn't agree with Anonymous more. I'm a University of Utah student, and
frankly I am so dissapointed at how Utah fans have reacted to this comment.
Things like this are said all the time in sport eventings. I realize that Utah
lost the game, and all this uproar is just because fans want something to latch
onto after the tough loss. Let go. Get over it. Leave the kid alone, and go pick
on one of these other guys who refernce God all the time in sports. I'm
embarressed for other Utah fans. It's too bad we have to harp on something so
stupid like this. What about our defense for blowing the 4th and 18 coverage.
Harp on that kid. Leave Collie alone for being religious.
I conducted a small unscientific poll here at the office of those who do not
consider themselves sports fans and come from various faiths. Every one of the
persons polled took exception to Collies comments. They feel the comments give
the impression God somehow intervened to ensure that the most righteous team
prevailed. I share your faith brother, but ease back on the livin' right
speaches after a game (especially a victory). The comments can be perceived as
self righteousness instead of an expression of faith in God.
Very well put "Anonymous". The media is always looking to spice a story up.
Report the news.
The lesson to be learned here--at least for Collie and other BYU athletes--is
that when being interviewed or in the public eye as a result of actions
performed on behalf of the university, a higher standard of communication is
required. Had he made the comment to his buddies or at church in testimony
meeting, he wouldn't be staring into the bright lights of public scrutiny. Would
I have been able to walk that higher road myself after such a thrilling victory?
Heck no, I'd have called the Utes "evil incarnate" and declared a battle won for
truth and righteousness. Nonetheless, I'm cognizant of the leadership that
Bronco is providing and hope that all students who represent BYU in one capacity
or another will choose a higher road than what might be commonly chosen by those
from other schools.
I love how he's trying to get the spotlight off himself by pointing at
others.I have no problem with players thanking God or making
religious gestures during sporting events.....what bothers me (and many others)
about this is when Collie says his righteousness was in any way responsible for
their victory, he's also saying his opponent's lack of righteousness (compared
to his) was responsible for their defeat.Many Ute players live very
righteous LDS lives (and they manage to do so with no Honor Code office holding
their hands). If righteousness were the key to winning, why did they lose?Another way of putting it: Randy Moss and the Patriots must be the most
righteous people on earth.Austin Collie is a good young man who said
something dumb (like young people in the spotlight tend to do). He would gain a
lot of respect from me if he would admit he said something dumb instead of
trying to place blame on others.
This whole thing has been completely overblown. Obviously the kid was speaking
about how the Lord has blessed him. It had nothing to do with God helping his
team win a game. Many many people have prayed for help with getting a job,
passing a test in school, and doing their best in a sporting event at some point
in their life. These same people certainly give at least some credit to God for
their success in these competitive areas, but when Mr. Collie does the same
thing, it turns into a circus overnight. Rather than crucifying the kid for his
religious beliefs, and making assumptions about what he meant, perhaps
congratulating him for being a great player (and an even better human being)
would be the appropriate course of action. It's never a bad thing to give the
Lord some credit for success in life. Nor is it wrong to thank him for our
I'm a mormon and a Utah fan, so I understand where Collie's comments came from.
I am also a huge sports fan who has seen many times when players give thanks to
God after big plays or games. However, Collie's comments have drawn such
attention because they weren't simply praising God. "Obviously, if you do
what's right on and off the field..." Without this part of the comment, there
would be very little controversy, but because he made him and his team as
"better people" on and off the field, it has drawn so much attention. It was an
offensive comment, whether BYU fans are willing to admit it or not.
Why can't he just say "it wasn't my intention to suggest that I am more
righteous than other athletes. I'm sorry if it came out that way"? Why does he
have to get all angry about it and say people need to get a life? His reaction
is as ridiculous as anyone else's. By the way, Coach Dungy
constantly emphasizes his belief that God does NOT intervene in football games
and that to think otherwise would indicate a lack of perspective on life.Collie spoke without thinking, and I hold nothing against him for it.
But the quote itself is worlds away from crossing yourself after a touchdown.
Don't even make that comparison.
We have a handful of talking heads on the radio and sports casters on almost
every local TV channel who desperately need something to talk about. They take
molehill statements by athletes and make mountains of them on a regular basis in
order to get listeners and viewers. Sounds to me that PK set this response up
when he suggested it was luck evening itself out. Any truly religious person
would take exception to luck being why they succeeded when they feel strongly
that God has a hand in all areas of their life. I think Austin is right - more
people need to get that kind of life.
It because when someone takes a kneem or says that they are a Christian, they
are not implicating that God cares more about them than another team, another
person or anything else for that matter. Gods last concern is the outcome of a
football game. He has plenty of other issues to deal with, before the outcome
of a football game. I think the issues lies in how specific the comment was. I
dont drink or smoke so I am better than you. I am a member of the church and
took offense to this comment. It shows how judgemental people can be...
The God I believe in doesn't care about football...
Stick to your guns Collie! You're right!
Good for him. I think he was trying to give the Lord and not luck credit. If a
person prays to do their best, and then is blessed with that, who should get the
credit? This PC stuff is getting ridiculous.
Amen to "anonymous' comments. I agree. Oops I used a realigious term with
"amewn." Is that going to be censured?
What happens when the Devil worshipers win a game and publicly praise Satan for
their good fortune. Will everyone be as philisophical. Personally I'm glad that
Collie has a friend in God, but I think he should keep it to himself. And, yes
I'am a Utah fan still stung by the lose.
Middle-aged female sports fan-It appears as though you didn't watch any
news reports after the Super Bowl and Tony Dungy's statments. People were
ripping his comments on TV and radio for a week after that. If Collie couldn't
take the heat that his comments were obviously bring, then he should have kept
his mouth shut. I highly doubt rebuttling with "people need to get a life" will
help him much with this one. Once again, should have kept his mouth shut!
Ute fans need to chill out, such sore loosers
People can say what they want. Some media people are way over the top and
showing that an analysis of this game, which BYU dominated, isn't what they want
to postulate, they would rather stir up controversy because their beloved Utes
lost and were dominated and they need something to draw the attention away from
how bad the Utes looked. Personally, I agree with Collie. But the real story is
BYU's dominating performance.
How many athletes, actors, singers, etc. constantly say when they do something
good or win an award thank God first! It happens every week in sports, they
always thank God for everything first. Collie is right, just because he is a
mormon from BYU, the media has to find some story and blow it way out of
proportion. Why is it only a topic when Collie speaks of God, it happens EVERY
week!! This is why the media gets a bad name, do your job!! And quit trying to
stir up trouble!
Apparently, there isn't a remedial logic course at BYU. When you say that a
higher power steps in because you're doing "what's right on and off the field",
the OBVIOUS implication is that those on the other team aren't. That's why
these types of proclamations are inane regardless of the source's team or
religious background. Sure, God helps people in all their
endeavors, but come on. "Magic happens"? Maybe if the check I had written at
tithing settlment earlier that day had been bigger...The great thing
about this story is that Collie has actually said something more stupid than his
"We're gonna put a hurtin' on 'em." comment prior to be rolled by the Utes on
their way to the Fiesta Bowl.
To Anonymous: articulate and persuasive comment. To Collie: articulate and
persuasive clarification/follow-up. Per Collie, we *do* need to get a life.
We're in the middle of a civil war in Iraq and the constitution's been violated
by the White House, for Pete's sake. We should focus on the *real* news, and
not Collie's innocent comment.
Nothing harmed and well said.Scott Collie, Max Hall and Harvey Ungaare going to run through the MWCagain next year and they'll run,
lift,throw, catch, study and pray and wintheir way into the BSC in
2008.Faith w/o works is dead!Nobody works harder than these
Amen! (Oh, wait a minute--can I say that?)
I see players pointing to heaven all the time thanking God after they made a TD.
Are they saying God helped them make the TD? I think the answer is yes they are.
They are saying it was God that gave them the talents to do what they did. Many
times in post game interviews they say something like they want to thank God
again implying that He had a hand in their win. I think it's a way of staying
humble and letting people know that you know it wasn't all you. Austin (IMO) was
just implying the same thing in different words.
The stuffed shirt, arrogant talking idiots on the talk radio (and you know who
you are!) just have to have something to fill the time with, so they create
controversy where none exists. They find solutions for which there are no
problems. This kind of action, ascribing divine help to a performance, is so
COMMON in sports that it does not deserve any mention, but somehow this young
guy gets all this hate for an innocent statement. Way to go Austin!
It was a pretty stupid comment. Just like when all those other athletes thank
god for their win.
Very well put.
It was mentioned for the reasons he stated which I believe to be true, because
he is a white Mormon who attends BYU. I think there is nothing wrong with what
he said and that he is right.
Collie, you poor persecuted "white Mormon kid." Don't they teach students in
Provo that when you say something that stupid to a reporter, people are going to
react? Of course, maybe he's right. It is reassuring to the rest of us to know
that during the years when Utah has beaten BYU, it was because God was stepping
in to help His Utes who were doing "what's right on and off the field."What unbelievable hubris. It's easy to see why Ute fans resent the team down
I think its pretty clear that the more righteous you are, the more successful
you are in life. As the Book of Mormon says, if you obey the commandments,
youll prosper in the land. This is especially clear in sports, where it is the
more righteous players and teams that win. Who was it that said, the harder I
practice, the more lucky I get? Luck is the politically correct term for divine
Amen to Collie's response.Quit bashing Collie!Get a life folks!
It's just Pat Kinahan trying to get people's attention and trying to get his
name out there. It's what he does.
Austin was right on. Any other athlete any place in america would have been
labeled a good kid. Not so for a BYU athete. We just have to face the fact that
BYU is before the world in a glass encasement. Letsjust show our metal and
what it's worth by by our actions on and off the football field, basketball
court, socker field, ...
Well said Austin Collie.
Some people have way too much time on their hands. The game is over, go back to
work and do real things in life. This is a football game for crying out loud.
("That implies a higher power favors one team over another and that his team is
favored for being more righteous.")Hey, they won didn't they!/maybe you should pray for Utah next year. heh.********walking off
dribbling a football********
Poor Collie. Mormon white kids just can't get a break here it Utah.Next time he might just want to thank God instead on thanking himself for
C'mon, KFAN. Anything for ratings, huh? Of all the interviews after
championships are won that start off with "First of all, I'd like to thank
Jesus...", after all the crossing and pointing to the heavens after a good play
in college and pro sports, you're going to be critical of Collie for
acknowledging God after winning an important game?Collie is
absolutely right. It is ridiculous that you will take something like that and
try to make a giant deal out of it. Any other player from any other school says
something like that and it's acceptable. But because it's a BYU player, it's
self-righteous? Sorry, not buying it.To Collie: I, for one,
appreciate that you recognize the hand of God in your life and aren't ashamed to
publicly acknowledge His blessings. The world would be so much better if more
people were willing to do so. Best regards.
This is crazy that this is an issue. Collie is right that if he were of another
race or other religion or frankly in another state, it would be a non-issue.
Sounds like some people are cranky about the L.
Right on!!!! and Collie had right- people need to get a life. Don't bad mouth
someone for having God in their life or for having faith.
MR. COLLIE, YOUR RESPONSE IS VERY WELL STATED. "BRAVO"!! YOU ARE RIGHT ON
TARGET. THERE IS NO SHAME IN YOUR BELIEF!
Way to standup for your self Austin. Don't let it distract you.
Like it or dislike it, creating controversy is the job of OpEd writers and radio
talk show hosts. I agree this is ridiculous and isn't news worthy, just like
the "big" story about football fans getting in fights at or after football
games...oh my! And yet....here I am reading the piece. =)
I don't think the issue is his Christianity or that he was proud of his beliefs,
the issue, as Mike Sorensen suggested, was that he was implying the reason why
they won was because they were more righteous or deserved more of the Lord's
"help". It's an issue of pride, that we're better than you, or favored by God.
Now this is assuming the article is accurately portraying both
sides, based on what I read here, Collie needs to keep it on the field and leave
the interviews for cooler heads. What he needed to say was that he was sorry
anyone misconstrued his comments and clarify what he really meant-not attacking
your critics because they take your comments for what you essentially said. "People need to get a life" ? Sure I can understand he's upset that his
comments were perhaps blown out of proportion, but he's asking for it when he
starts shooting his mouth off. Maybe with the bad publicity he's caused for the
"Lord's School" he won't be receiving much extra "help" in the immediate
Austin is correct.Would it surprise Ute fans (or the press) to learn
that BYU pre-law and pre-med students also pray for and expect divine help in
getting into UofU law and medical schools?All Christians, Muslims,
Jews .... pray for and expect divine help.It also is pretty clear
that God doesn't help any particular team at the exclusion of other teams since
no team always wins.
I have seen many non-LDS players give credit to the Lord for their success
immediately after a football game in front of cameras and admired them for their
faith and courage, at the same time realizing that there were players of equal
faith on the opposing team. In fact, I have seen players kneel in prayer after
games joining hands together from opposing teams. The Lord giveth and the Lord
taketh away. Not that the Lord determines the outcome but his hand in the
expression of our gifts and talents we should be able to freely express and
acknowledge. It is good to see the expression of gratitude in either case.
"I really think it's because I'm a Mormon white kid from Brigham Young
University. Anybody else says that from any other team and it's just 'how
spiritual that guy is." - Austin CollieThis is exactly what I was
thinking yesterday, listening to all of the idiots calling in to the radio.
Athletes all over the rest of the country are free to give thanks to their "Lord
and savior Jesus Christ" but in the state of Utah people freak out if a player
from the Church of Jesus Christ's school tries to praise his Lord and glory his
god. Given that this is a private religious university we should be disappointed
if players FAIL to give thanks and praise....but the Utes are still
going to win next year when Collie and his Cougs come into our house!
If you get the video "Tradition, Spirit, Honor" Bronco talks about wanting to
start the whole fireside thing before games, and tried (unsuccessfully) to get
the first one going in San Diego. When none of the Stake Presidents or Bishops
of the area thought that anyone would come, they let it go - and lost the game.
After that they decided that no matter if anyone came or not, they would have a
fireside. I like what Austin actually said, that if you do the right thing on
and off the field you will be blessed. Doing the right thing on and off the
field is available to every player on every team everywhere. I think that many
of the Ute players have been blessed with a very good season as well. This has
nothing to do with BYU being a church sponsored university, and everything to do
with individuals or organizations as a whole doing the right things and being
blessed (note that being blessed does not always mean winning games). If you
believe in god, then this principle makes sense - if you don't then best of luck
to you and your arm of flesh.
I have no problem with an athlete suggesting that God will help those who do
their best and "live right, on and off the field". Where Austin, fans, other
athletes, and all of us need to be careful is in not letting pride enter our
hearts, causing us to believe we are any better than anyone else.Whether this is a fair statement or not, I believe that is the main reason
non-BYU fans have so much animosity towards BYU fans and players... and that is
because many of those that follow BYU do, in fact, believe that they are somehow
better. When, in fact, we know that God loves all His children.Mike
Sorenson was correct to make the conclusion he did, and I have no problem that
he published those thoughts. (We were all thinking the same thing anyway, why
not put it in black and white?)
I agree. What a non-controversy! Mike Sorenson's indignation at Collie's
comments betray the underlying heartache of a heartbroken Ute fan. He might be
more at home writing for the Trib. methinks.
These plays are a combination of sheer luck and skilled players involved. I
don't know how God is involved? He has bigger things to worry about rather than
a trivial play ... a nanosecond of His time to drop a blessing or two to
accomplish an impossible feat like breaking record for a number of TDs? We can always give thanks to our God for health and such but to use Him
in your trivial sports feat, please be careful how you use Him because the
opinion is baised and one-sided ego-centric religious attitude isn't something
that would reflect His example of tolerance of our diversity in our communities
How many times do you hear guys like T.O. say "Thanks to God" and it is like he
is a hero. Many athletes thank their creator for their skills, talents and
blessings related to sports, health and family. Collie did not say that BYU is
God's school and that the U is evil, he simply stated that if you work hard and
do your best, then you will be blessed. Be happy that Collie is humble enough
to thank God, afterall, he could have caught the ball and danced around and get
a penalty for unsportman-like conduct and lose the game... Oh wait, that's been
done before... thanks Steve Smith for putting a little distance between the
uprights and your kicker.
no where did Collie say that God favors one team over another. Thanks to the
media and for the internet forum pundits for blowing this way out of proportion.
What is unfortunate is that Collie doesn't get it. Even after given the
opportunity to clarify, he is still clueless. Very unfortunate and very
embarrassing for BYU fans.
These reporters are pathetic and ridiculous. They really do need to get a life.
They are always trying to make something out of nothing. People see right
through it and it is getting really old.
Anonymous is 100% right. And to touch on what Collie said, how many times do
we see athletes in interviews that are not LDS that say practically the same
thing. The say how blessed they have been, and how the Lord helped them. You
hear it all the time.
I am a happy faithful member of the LDS faith and a returned missionary, and I
have the upmost respect for BYU as an institution! BUT yes his comments were
silly and uneeded. His comments suggest that Heavenly Father loves BYU and
helped them convert on 4th down! Does any one in their right mind think that
Heavenly Father has a favorite football team that he guides and directs??
Yikes! Unfortuanatly he embarassed the Church and made us look like a bunch of
higher than thou saints. Yes I am a Ute fan, but I am also a happy member of
the LDS faith and just cringe when I hear BYU fans say these things, I have to
end up explaining for days to those around me that we really dont think that!
BYU deserved to win because Max hall made a great play with the game on the
line, not because the Lord pulled some strings from above. Please stop and
If Collie had crossed himself, or pointed skyward with his single index finger
or stated: "I have God to thank for the victory, no one would have said word
one. Since this is "The Official Year to BASH Mormons" anything goes when a
Mormon acts in the same way as someone from another faith.I've heard
10,000 winning athletes credit God or Jesus for making it all happen, teams
praying for God's help to win, batters crossing themselves so God will give them
the ability to hot one off the pitcher. At least 1000 times I've seen players
point to the sky and say "give God the credit" (for the win)I wonder why
God didn't like the losers as much, or why a person bumped off a plane which
later crashes thanks God for saving his life. Why didn't God insure that all the
passengers were bumped? Why did he save this man's life or help a losing team
win.I do think God blesses those who do what he asks, but I have no idea
if that goes for football. If Collie was Catholic, nothing would be said.Let it go, leave Mormons alone!
Collie's right--any other school's athletes have free reign on thanking God,
claiming divine intervention, or otherwise acknowledging deity. But if a BYU
player says something, it's suddenly labeled "holier-than-thou." Come on
people, this is ridiculous. Good for Collie for giving credit where credit is
due. Did God want BYU to win? Who cares! That's not what Collie (nor any
other athlete for that matter) was saying. But did God help Collie get to where
he is today in terms of talent and preparation? Collie has every right to
believe so, and to express it as he wishes. This is an invented controversy by
some BYU-hating hacks with nothing better to do. I'm behind you Austin--and
that's something nobody in Utah's secondary can say...
I agree with Anonymous. Those that have made such a big deal of this, needs to
get a life.
I agree with Anonymous. Had not Collie been a Mormon from BYU, it is likely that
he would have been praised for his religious ferver. I think one of the problems
we have these days is that many comentators believe that "controversy sells" and
if there is no conflict they seek to creat conflict in the minds of their
audience for their own selfish purposes. Also, society in general seems to be
more focused on finding fault with each other than in seeing value in each
other. This is a sad state of affairs. (An 80 year old alumnus of both BYU and
Now that I was able to read the entire quote, the guy who wrote the column put
it out of proportion. The game was awesome;either Sorensen was emotional, maybe
he forgot to be objective, maybe he should learn from 99% of the Utes fans.
Let's see how many people 'have a life' and can refrain from continuing to diss
a young 20 year old man. The D News was wrong to have a follow up story. Let it
die, people.For the record, I grew up in SLC and heard this kind of
philosophy many times from all sorts of people - applied to ALL KINDS of
stranger events, so this is not just a BYU kind of thing. Having lived outside
Utah for 30 years and now outside the US, I hear it just as much. If you have
never attributed ANYTHING to the 'hand of God', go ahead and cast stones at
Austin Collie and Anonymous are to be commended for their incisive reprimands of
the KUTV sports staff and Deseret News columnist Mike Sorensen, et al, for
their ludicrous commentary on Collie's totally innocent and harmless remarks.
It is truly amazing what excesses these media folks will stoop to. Bravo!
Austin and Anon, for putting them in their place.
We know that God does not control the outcome of games. Why would He? People
can be rewarded/blessed for faith or obedience.
The fact is that if Collie was a baptist, or a Catholic, or anything except LDS,
at any school but BYU, this would not even have been reported. The fact that
he's a white LDS kid somehow makes this a story. That's religious bigotry &
it's silly. Be offended if you want - if you are, then you prove your own
closed-minded ignorance. This type of thing is said all the time in sports and
entertainment. If I'm wrong, then each of those statements needs to cause
multiple-story fervor and be met with all kinds of righteous indignation.
Totally a double standard here.
Seems to me that some people were just way too eager to point the finger and
scream self-righteous. The reaction to his comments have been completely
Freedom of speech. Listen to some of the interviews on sports shows and them
see if this kid should be treated any different for what he said. God has
played a role in my life but I don't get a chance to say it and I certainly
would if I could. Sorenson==jet a life.
As a rabid college football fan for more than four decades I have seen literally
hundreds of college football players give thanks to a higher power. Usually this
happens after a touchdown, or a great defensive play, or verbally in post game
interviews.I have seen moments of silence, taking a knee and bowing
a head in prayer (both individually and in groups), making the sign of the
cross, kissing crosses (Saint Christopher Medals, and assorted other religous
objects), and verbally thanking Jesus on national TV.I think Austin
makes a valid observation. Why is this ok from an african american athlete from
the SEC or BIG 12 but not from a european american from Provo?One
additional observation in over four decades as a cougar fan I have noticed that
the only people that ever really complain about this are from three western
universitys that have four letter names that begin with a "U".
I love football. I have seen hundreds of games in my lifetime. I have watched
players make the sign of a cross after a good play, kneel in the end zone to
thank God after a touchdown, and even pray in huddles. No one comments on these
actions, nor was Coach Dungy maligned when he stated after the Super Bowl that
he was a Christian. In fact, he was praised. Why is there such a controversy
now that one player mentioned God in an emtional interview after winning a hard
fought and exciting game? The media has proclaimed the BYU-Utah game a "holy
war." It seems expected that God should be mentioned. Religion is a part of who
Austin Collie is and he spoke from his heart. He did not claim that God favors
BYU or made Utah lose. Please don't try to create a controversy where none
exists. (A middle-aged female sports fan)